Steven Greer Interview Discussion

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Tango

Than, the Script was flipped when this became
a Pay Site...

No script flipping:

I've been on this forum since day one, where the front page said it was intended to become a pay site at sometime in the near future. After that it was easier to miss that line of the script. In this vBulletin program there is no way to make sure everyone sees everything.

Some people (like me) just click "Today's Posts" and others click "Home" and see the menu for all the subforums. By clicking home and scrolling down you can also see who's online with you.

Karen

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Quantum

Although I've not been told that directly by any of my contacts, it would not surprise me if indeed something like this did occur. It may have been significantly more than a "misunderstanding" due to the language barrier.

Hi Quantum, great to see you here!

That incident was variously explained as more info came to light. Some explanation was done on Whistleblower Radio after the incident http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/...amelot_09.html and also at the Camelot blog.

Language barrier:
Paraphrase by me: When approached about a free energy device in the discussion Greer used that joke - "If I told you, I would have to kill you."

Quote from:
http://projectcamelot.org/
26 July 2009 - update 2

•" Regarding the incident at the end of the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit, we have investigated it to the degree possible. We interviewed the inventors who felt they were threatened, we talked to observers of the events, and we met with Dr Steven Greer and his bodyguards and assistants.

"We understand that what happened was largely due to a lack of understanding of the language (for the inventors, English is a second language) and something said during the Speaker's Dinner by Steven Greer himself in response to a request by an inventor to discuss his invention. When Dr Greer was disturbed at dinner, his first response was "I could kill you", which his entourage explained was a joke but was taken seriously by the inventor who had approached him."

And more at - http://projectcamelot.org/
26 July 2009 - update 2

Edit - Oops on a reread, I see you are saying it could be more than the language barrier problem. Perhaps so, but about 90% of the time all our best lead assumptions about another and their motives are proven to be wrong.

Jeeeeezzzzzz Dan Burisch claims this about the vaccination info incident at the Zurich conference: "The problem is - WE BELIEVE THE EVENT WAS STAGED TO GET OUT OF CONTROL AS A PUBLCITY STUNT, AND THOSE IN CHARGE OF THE PUBLICITY STUNT WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY WHAT DAN CAN DO!" Found along with many other accusations here: http://www.eaglesdisobey.net/

[Karen]

Where did I see that - that Dr. Greer has always told people who inquired that Project Camelot is disinformation - every time. And he claimed in the interview to never have disparaged them in any way.

[judykott]

[Unified Serenity]

Are they seriously showing wetting of their lips as some proof these people are reptilians? Ok, I guess I have no sense of humor, but this is the sort of video that makes truth seekers look like wackos.

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

Are they seriously showing wetting of their lips as some proof these people are reptilians? Ok, I guess I have no sense of humor, but this is the sort of video that makes truth seekers look like wackos.

Actually, US... over the years many videos depicting this habit of tongue flicks from some of the brightest minds will have you sitting back and pondering the implications of this as you say!!!

It is like someone who can't look you in the eyes when they are lying to you... they develop a twitch from the pressure of their own game they hope no one finds out about. But in this case perhaps evolution of snatching flys is peeking out behind the DNA.

Think back about someone you know that was lying to you and when you finally found out you realized there were tell tale signs all along... you just didn't think it would be so easy to see.

Now welcome yourself to how the brightest Wacko's in the world think!!!

[Unified Serenity]

Laughing, I can believe it is a possible sign of being nervous, but I sure can't believe it's a sign of being a reptilian. Now, when some little thin forked tongue sticks out I will believe that!

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

Laughing, I can believe it is a possible sign of being nervous, but I sure can't believe it's a sign of being a reptilian. Now, when some little thin forked tongue sticks out I will believe that!

UH OH... I think you just challenged the gods of 'Murphy's Law' hiding within the scheme of disclosure. All their tongues are going to start splitting in two and they will start dropping like flys from public view!

Now look what you started.

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

Are they seriously showing wetting of their lips as some proof these people are reptilians? Ok, I guess I have no sense of humor, but this is the sort of video that makes truth seekers look like wackos.

I posted something negative on the video posted above, but I'm erasing it because you never know with these things. Sometimes you really have to tune in and basically use your third eye to see what's going on behind the scenes. It's always possible a crappy video like that is inspired by something higher to drop a hint.

[JesterTerrestrial]

I agree with the comments about the back drop looking a little un-prepared but the positioning of the people in the video were also kinda spread out.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Karen

Where did I see that - that Dr. Greer has always told people who inquired that Project Camelot is disinformation - every time.

This must be because of Bill Ryan's SERPO information which directly preceeded Project Camelot as we know it? If so I'm sure Bill was only following his nose and not deliberately trying to misdirect people.

What do you think is the primary root for the disinfo claims?

Obviously PC has had access since then to many wonderful interviewees Bill Holden, Bob Dean etc

[Hiram]

I could not agree with you more Quantum.

What is at issue here, and I have stated this in other threads, is CONTROL OF INFORMATION. People who designate themselves as controllers of such, even when they say it is for "the peoples own good" have always, historically speaking, ended up holding everyone back. They have ended up hurting us.

We come here for the truth, we come to people such as Dr. Greer for the truth and we meet with more obfuscation, more of "well that has to be confidential for now" more of the same secrecy song and dance.

If there has to be a paradigm shift, that must be the the paradigm that is SHATTERED. We have no more time for such nonsense and I am often stunned that people in this community are still suffering for this nonsense.

Its as if they have become so accustomed to the status-quo, i.e. people telling them that information is being kept from them for their own good, that they are oblivious to the deranged logic of it. They just accept it.

We are not asking how to build a super-weapon, or how to destroy civilization, we are merely expecting those who are in "the know" who have a shred of human decency left, to inform us of information to which we are rightfully entitled....BECAUSE IT EFFECTS US EVERY DAY.


And I have one other thing to say on that matter. Every day one of these scum-bags who has the ability to truly release the free energy devices into this world refrains from doing so...every second they delay, some innocent is suffering in the third world for it. Some child is starving to death, some family is being broken apart.

We cannot move forward as a species until this is remedied. The secrecy must end and we must purge ourselves of it immediately. We should not tolerate anything but openness.

I can't help but think of DUNE...the desert planet.....and it finally raining after mellennia. Its what we need.

[Unified Serenity]

To me it's just a power trip money making opportunity.

[Hiram]

Indeed. And much more.

[pushedforfreedom]

If you really want to enter a true observer mode, you should consider all possibilities from all spectrums of the scale, their implications, and how it makes you feel.

1. Project Camelot and Steven Greer are both genuine in their mission and are both working for the benefit of humans.

2. Project Camelot is a disinformation unit, for the purpose of making us believe there are negative ETs out there and we should be prepared to
"fight" them - leading to WWIII. Steven Greer is genuine and believes there are no negative ETs.

3. Project Camelot is genuine in seeking to warn us that there may be negative ETs among the positive ETs. Steven Greer is a disinforrmation agent who wishes us to accept all ETs to ease the heard to the "slaughter".

4. Project Camelot and Steven Greer are both disinformation agents who are taking opposing sides in an alternate media realm to use the common tactic of "divide and conquor"

One thing I am positive is that if I knew that this information was getting out, I would want a headman at each focus of alternative media so that an "accepted leader" can exercise disaster control.

Stay vigilant, and don't believe too much in one philosophy one way or another.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by JesterTerrestrial

e a one eyed snake front row center!

[Karen]

From:
http://projectcamelot.org/

9 August 2009
• For those of you who would like to see Steven Greer's presentation at the Barcelona conference, that video is now live on Youtube posted by the filmmaker, Daniel Bender. We encourage viewers to watch this as a companion piece to our "interview" with Steven Greer.


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9 August 2009

• "COINTELPRO is the FBI acronym for a series of covert action programs directed against domestic groups. In these programs, the Bureau went beyond the collection of intelligence to secret action defined to "disrupt" and "neutralize" target groups and individuals. The techniques were adopted wholesale from wartime counterintelligence." --the 1975 Church Committee

This is our reply to various goings on around the net today.

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks Karen, btw your inbox is full

[tone3jaguar]

He probably did this because he was aware that there was not a vetting process for Camelot Witnesses like there is for Disclosure Project Witnesses. If there is no proof that a person is who they say they are then the chances of disinformation are much greater. I am not saying that this was the case on all Camelot interviewees. Actually most of the Camelot interviews where provable legitimate people. But you know what they say, a few bad apples.....

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

He probably did this because he was aware that there was not a vetting process for Camelot Witnesses like there is for Disclosure Project Witnesses. If there is no proof that a person is who they say they are then the chances of disinformation are much greater. I am not saying that this was the case on all Camelot interviewees. Actually most of the Camelot interviews where provable legitimate people. But you know what they say, a few bad apples.....

Or, he's disinfo.

Or, he's working with a group of them to push forward their agenda, and he's in denial.

[judykott]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Ouch! I agree, not that I wasted my time watching the whole thing, but I'm hoping this community is going to rise above this kind of stuff. I give this kind of video an F-. My only regret is I can't give it anything lower...

P.S. I'm talking about the You tube vid a couple of post up not the greer interview, which I haven't watched.

I found the video ironic, and decided to post the video without an explanation to get the response. I find it interesting that you would comment without seeing the full video, as it is sort of like calling an elephant a snake from feeling the trunk. It is even more humorous to me that you are posting on a thread you have not even bothered to watch the interview which it is about .

I have noticed how expression is often of putting something else down in the process to have to grade it, or degrade it, in order to be in a superior position of above it. It is why I did not post on the ego thread as it seemed a bit of a pissing match at times of ego.. , it appears a delicate matter to talk of such a thing without showing it.

What I saw in the video was faces that looked silly at times as we all can with precise editing, I guess I often see the humor in things as I can easily see myself in things so by personally placing myself within the context somehow do not find it in offense. I thought about other video's out there that by editing, lighting, or photoshop making references to people in this same way, and how depending on whose faces they are depicting will influence how we feel about the video.

I look at all the stories that are told about aliens, reptilians, ufo's and interdimensionals and all those who are out there to marketing them, which for many is literally the bottom line of the venture. Many have very different views, many 180 degrees of the other.

I do not believe that many of them are blatantly out there to give disinformation, it just is the nature of the beast where things are so deeply hidden and so much hearsay passed as gospel. Basically it is like gossip everyone wants to think they have the inside scoop be in the know, it is a basic human nature. Disclosure Project is just a shell game of exposed nuggets of truth shuffled amongst nuggets of a very different nature , but as in any game strict controls imposed on the slight of hand. Discernment is in order from all sides, as in anything and not getting attached to a position which then needs to be defended.

I am trying to view things more in possibility, probability and potential modes as opposed to good/bad. Seems a bit more probable and possible that there are some agenda's of other entities that may not have best interests at heart.The stories that we were created slaves, by the reptilians, is something possible but not probable as it seems as if another agenda to make us feel unworthy or less than the divine beings I feel we are.

The reptilian brain is at the core of our brain, so to me if we were engineered from reptilians then if that was the more evolved brain in would be in the neo cortex place of our brains, not its primitive core based on survival needs. So to me the end of the clip was a good metaphor for that. The real alien agenda, is we are alienated from ourselves and our nature. People waiting for disclosure outside themselves,that is exactly what the PTW want, instead of us looking in own enclosure and perception of the miracles and wonders of our own bodies and the spirit it contains.

My view was the little clip was a metaphor of the larger clip, of the interview. The nature of the message was presented by the persona's, the egos, the tug of war and struggle over the carcass of what they each call truth, for one can never tell another their truth but lots of attempts to shred the others was attempted. My mind and my heart will lead me places, from the perception of my experiences to ever changing moments of my truth, allowing for the wonder of all the possibilities, probabilities and potentiality in each and every glorious moment.

[tone3jaguar]

I just watched the Greer presentation. I found nothing about it to be dangerous, and I have dealt with the higher dimensional negative entities for a while now. I know he said that there are no negative ET's. However, I think his frame of reference is 4th dimensional on that front because they are the only ones that are not conjecture. I know that the negative ET's from higher than 4th dimensional are real, but I can not prove it to anyone and neither can he. Therefore, he sticks to what he knows people will understand which are the ones we can see on camera. Even if he believed that the 5th dimensional negatives where real, the non-esoteric public would laugh in his face. It is his responsibility to make sure that does not happen.

[14 Chakras]

Hey in fairness, my initial response was knee jerk reaction, I apologies for that Judy, and I had already edited it before the reply, read above...

I'm commenting on the thread because of the claim "all et's are benevolent" and I have seen some of Greer's earlier work. I think to jump to a conclusion like that after years of research you have to ignore the experiences of literally thousands of others out there, including the many message boards that have people sharing their abduction experiences, and even many experiences that have been shared in this forum.

[tone3jaguar]

To further explain why I do not think that telling people that all ET's are good is dangerous...

If you are dealing with a negative entity, where it is from is irrelevant. I never even once thought of the negative entities that I dealt with over the years in the format of where they are from until recently. I did not even try to figure out what dimension they where from until recently. And that was after the worst of the direct contact had deminished. Moreover, the only reason I started looking at these things is because of curiosity.

It does not matter if they are from the center of the Earth or Orion, the tactics for dealing with such entities is the same regardless. All I ever tried to figure out was how negative they where, and I did not even need to know that until after an attack was extinguished. Logistically I still can not think of a reason why knowing where they are from would help you in dealing with such a thing.

Here is an analogy, If you are in a war and there is some crazy mo fo running strait at you with a big knife, is knowing which town he is from going to help you deal with the situation? No, you just point and shoot. Now I have learned that shooting back is not the way to go now days. However, you see my point?

[judykott]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Hey in fairness, my initial response was knee jerk reaction, I apologies for that Judy, and I had already edited it before the reply, read above...

I'm commenting on the thread because of the claim "all et's are benevolent" and I have seen some of Greer's earlier work. I think to jump to a conclusion like that after years of research you have to ignore the experiences of literally thousands of others out there, including the many message boards that have people sharing their abduction experiences, and even many experiences that have been shared in this forum.

I have often had a case of knee jerk myself, was in and out the room working on a response so did not see the edit. I believe the whole Disclosure Project has many, many levels of agenda's. It also opened my eyes about a few things or possibilities as well, and many head shakes of disbelieve over some of the statements. Over the years I have learned it does not matter the personality of someone, or if I agree with what they say sometimes it can still be a valuable learning experience for those very reasons, a contrast makes an image clearer.


I just read Pushed for Freedoms post, very sensible summary for observation. I would love to hear of some of your experiences since implementing some of Greers's contact methods. I have heard from other's as well about the methods working but no real details, please share if you will. Thanks