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[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

It is a hard truth to accept, but you live in a highly structured illusion that only the creator of all that is has control of, and you are a direct emanation of this creator. It is creation and the rest is just a story. You want to know who is really in control of the happenings on this planet?

This is why it is so critical that people realize and join together to manifest collectively a new society free of all of the bull s--t. This is what is happening right now as we speak. The trick is going to be doing it fast enough so that the Earth does not run out of time and take care of the situation for us. The more people that wake up and visualize the kind of future that we are capable of the less painful and dangerous this transition of consciousness will be.

You Have The Power and You always have!

Is a collectivist hive-mind of human slaves...subservient to the 'Master Race' really the goal? If humanity chooses Constitutional Responsible Freedom...will this be welcomed by the Universal Powers That Be? If humanity does not do what the 'Earth' expects (or demands?)...how will the 'Earth' take care of the situation for us? By exterminating the human race via deliberate and premeditated 'Earth Changes'?

[tone3jaguar]

The hive mind is a lower state of consciousness that evolved way back when the universe was at a lower state of evolution than it is now. The concept of collective manifestation of the world we live on is not the hive mind. The hive concept is where the few direct the many in an organized socialist consciousness where the individuals act like individual aspects of the whole.

Collective consciousness is a law of the universe that can not be escaped. We do not need to have a goal of collective consciousness, we are already doing it. Most are just doing according to someone elses made up story instead of their own. This is what is changing. The illusion that the story is real is breaking down in the majority of the people on the planet. A critical number of people are beginning to say no to the false core beliefs that where taught to them from young ages. These are being purged simply by the evolution of the consciousness of the entire solar system and perhaps even the entire universe.

Because of this the minds of the many are being naturally freed and are beginning to form new understandings of the nature of the way that things work in the world. It is the job of all of us who know what our civilization is potentially capable of to help these people to understand what it is important to focus on and what is not important to focus on.

The Earth is not going to vomit the human race off of it. Earth changes will be localized and effect pockets of civilization where most of the people are refusing to allow the evolution of consciousness to change them. These things may not even kill people, however sometimes a little chaos is all it takes to get people to let go of ideas that they have become comfortable with. Not human induced illuminati chaos, natural event chaos.

[tone3jaguar]

Oh yes, FYI. Those two video previews are illuminati propaganda that are attempting to get people to manifest a dire outcome because that is their twisted wet dream.

[mntruthseeker]

ABC's word on anything Oh Please spare me.......no major media / press will ever tell you the truth. Hell they even got cartoons out to pacify our children. screw them all

[orthodoxymoron]

In my own simplistic way...I keep thinking that we are in the last stages of an ancient conflict between the human and reptilian races. I keep thinking that at some point...thousands or even millions of years ago...the reptilians got the upper-hand over the humans...genetically modified us (dumbing us down) to create a slave-race...and proceeded to play God. And that the reptilians have used sell-out humans throughout history...to manage their herds of humans. These sell-outs have mostly been our religious, political, and financial leaders. Again...this is simply educated speculation.

If most of the above is true...it is my hope that the cycle of conquest and revenge can be broken. Star Wars and Masters of the Universe are stupid games. We shouldn't be fighting over who gets to be God. The God Concept should end. All races...throughout the universe...should just all get along. There may need to be some segregation...as various races work out their unique problems...but none of them should be enslaved, hurt, or killed. I'm sensing three major races...human, reptilian, and grey...but who knows how many races there really are...throughout the entire universe?

I tend to think that the Illuminati have sold-out to the reptilians in order to obtain fame, fortune, power, and protection...in exchange for carrying out the will of the reptilian race against the human race. Jesus was offered the top-job...by Lucifer...if he would bow down and worship Lucifer. Jesus refused. Unfortunately...many others have accepted...throughout history. Who knows who the real Illuminati are? Many think they know...but do they really?

[14 Chakras]

Great thread, all interesting discussion points and possibilities being discussed. My understandings shared below.

Shapeshifting reptilians = generally speaking 5th dimensional et's, using technology to create the hologram in the third. Everything is hologram, it's a ... That means the beings that are embodied here that are reptilians can be literally on their spaceships in higher dimensions at the same time... trippy huh?

orthodoxymoron your summary here:
"In my own simplistic way...I keep thinking that we are in the last stages of an ancient conflict between the human and reptilian races. I keep thinking that at some point...thousands or even millions of years ago...the reptilians got the upper-hand over the humans...genetically modified us (dumbing us down) to create a slave-race...and proceeded to play God. And that the reptilians have used sell-out humans throughout history...to manage their herds of humans. These sell-outs have mostly been our religious, political, and financial leaders. Again...this is simply educated speculation."

I agree with, and I would add that the elite "sell outs" to the alien species are "blue bloods" meaning cold blooded reptilians themselves, just half breeds generally speaking (which explains the whole 'satanic bloodlines' business)... Basically the reps travel round on their Niburu for thousands of years at a time and while away, they leave their half breed comrades in charge of what they deem as their cattle stock (us) here on planet earth awaiting for their nasty return...

There's a lot more than three alien races in the almost infinite universe! And judging by many whistleblowers accounts, a lot more than three here on planet earth at this time... unfortunately, truth is layered and infinite, as long as we are seeking outside of ourselves we will never get to the truth, always more layers, we have to seek inside and surrender and we will experience the truth, we will achieve union with it... this is the only true Way.

As Tone agrees with, the paradigm of an advanced civilization is to have Christ Beings embodied and leading the civilization for the benefit of all life, and all life to see through the illusions of separation and be moving towards the Christ consciousness, rather than egotistical aliens leading the population to their own demise.

I suggest however, the ONLY way to attain this kind of civilization is for the people of this planet to overcome their own illusions and for a critical mass of them, a Christ mass, to make the jump to the Christ consciousness.

In other words, it isn't ET's coming here that will save this planet and bring enlightenment to it, it is the people of this planet themselves that will do so. They will only do so when they realize their own power within. How would they do this if another more 'advanced' alien race showed up now and started doing stuff on our planet? How would we realize the power within if something outside of us came and made it happen?

As you say, you attract what you put your attention on. If you put your attention on ET's who wish to come take over this planet, or put us under them in some sort of hiearchy, then that's what your attracting. Why do we trust them? There is so much evidence contrary, yet we want so much to believe, we're willing to explain it all away with: those thousands of whistle blowers and abduction experiences are just human beings pretending to be mean aliens... all aliens are nice or they would have had us for dinner by now... well there's definitely the possibility that there is cosmic law that has prevented them from interfering anymore than they already have and that they have plans that are not nice coming up in this important time.

It is my highest suggestion that people stop trying to connect to ET's and start connecting to the spiritual realm, the ascended realm, to God within. Archangel Michael is a great start for that because he'll help cut you free from what is untrue and help you connect to what is true.

As for the universal exorcism, I am of the opinion that this is well under way, but it will still be up to us, the people of this planet, to connect to God within them and let the highest Self, the I AM within (or holy spirit if you wish to term it that way), be the doer. For with man it is not possible, but with God all things are possible, we just have to realize that God is accessible within us and won't fix the world from outside of us, only from inside of us..

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P.S. Tone, the demons you are describing are crazy ones... but the serpent described in Genesis was a hint for us, it is the "wisest" of all the species. It's not dumb and crazy, it's smart and cunning, it's wise. The truly nefarious species are not outwardly evil looking, outwardly they have a lot of light, like Clinton or Obama... but inwardly they are ravening wolves... same goes for some of hte ET's promising humanity salvation if we join their club.

Nothing to fear here, nothing to fear, but let's connect to God within and the spiritual realm and hiearchy rather than other students in teh schoolroom of the universe who may be failing their grades very badly (other students meaning ET's)...

[eleni]

Yes, so important to connect to real spiritual realm and develop one's self - not ET's saviors of any type.

I think people give too much power to the reptilians/so called Illuminati etc;

It's time to work on ourselves- let those are are in STS reap their own karma- we have the choice not to go along with it even if we do live on a planet that is polluted, controlled by profit and greed. We can develop ourselves- we need not reap their karma.

[Christo888]

14, great words... one thing in particular that really stood out is the 'half breed blue bloods,' kinda puts a whole different twist on things!

Dimwitted blue blood babysitters of the planet... hmmmmm.... half breeds to interbred to continue sanity!!!!

Perhaps this lineage cannot stabilize themselves and therefore have gone overboard trying to rule everything and are driving themselves to extinction.

Next in line!!!

[tone3jaguar]

As an additional note, classifying all humanoid reptilian extra terrestrial races as evil and bent on destruction is racism no different than the demonization of Muslims and Communist citizens. What if there are a bunch of peaceful reptilian races and the negative parallel entities have a bone to pick with them so they take on their form? Just an idea.

Everyone seems to have forgotten the old saying, "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear". What happened to that type of discernment?

[eleni]

Out of the mouth of my 5 year old- a few minutes ago- random as well-

"Mom, did you know aliens control the planet? And they do it from space".

I asked which aliens? He said "different kinds". I asked him when was he told this. He said " I don't remember the date but it was during one time when they came into my room".

[eleni]

I would have to agree t3j- the one's (only time I ever encountered *reptilians*) under the influence of ayahuasca where not threatening- sure they look scary at first but if you interact with them on that reality (or maybe it was just me-no- it's been the experience of others too) you may feel differently. Of course there are probably numerous factions/races of reptilians etc; these claim to be living in the earth and have been here since beginning of planet.

[TheObserver]

Originally Posted by eleni

Out of the mouth of my 5 year old- a few minutes ago- random as well-

"Mom, did you know aliens control the planet? And they do it from space".

I asked which aliens? He said "different kinds". I asked him when was he told this. He said " I don't remember the date but it was during one time when they came into my room".

I wonder what Art Linkletter would think!

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by eleni

Out of the mouth of my 5 year old- a few minutes ago- random as well-

"Mom, did you know aliens control the planet? And they do it from space".

I asked which aliens? He said "different kinds". I asked him when was he told this. He said " I don't remember the date but it was during one time when they came into my room".

Very interesting indeed. I recommend calling Christ protection for your son every evening before sleeping, call to Archangel Michael to protect him, your house and family from all dark forces and all negative aliens. Out loud is best, the link I sent earlier has various spoken word exercises that are super powerful if you are willing to go that far.

Anyway, interesting comments and timing, sounds to me like a hint from the divine...

[Jnana]

14 Chakras, the number one response I get when I ask the ETs pretty much anything is that I need to look within and raise my own conciousness.

The same divine spirit shines through all intelligent beings throughout the universe. They (the ETs) cannot and are not offering salvation. They have already been through what we are about to go through, but they can't change the process. They can't change universal laws.

What then is the point of contact? The quarantine is about to end and it's time to meet the neighbors. We're going to have to learn how to get along in a universe teeming with intelligent life. You are justifiably concerned about getting through the transition, and connecting with the divine within is indeed what needs to happen. I am also looking farther ahead.

I think there is way too much cowboy and indian star wars space opera disinformation floating around and people get caught up in some story lines that are nothing but fiction. I absolutely agree with focusing on spiritual growth, but absolutely disagree with any form of xenophobia.

[eleni]

If there is a quarantine on the planet (even the Veda's speak of it) then it must be only a 3d one and the abductions really are interdimensional (they feel it) but the greys and the one's behind the greys are deceptive and cause people to believe they are from another planet- or there is no quarantine at all- or maybe those violating such a quarantine. When I was little I thought they were from the moon- not sure if I was told that and they are operating from moon bases as some have suggested. Many possibilities but in going over more ancient *evidence* they have been interacting with us since the beginning of planet- some claim they created us- many possibilities so I don't necessarily buy into the quarantine theory that Greer touts.

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by eleni

If there is a quarantine on the planet (even the Veda's speak of it) then it must be only a 3d one ...

That's essentially correct. It isn't to keep them out so much as to keep us in until we learn how to play nicely with others.

[tone3jaguar]

Yes, and this goes for all civilizations that have not learned to be peaceful. So much for the negative ET's being from somewhere besides an underground lab.

[eleni]

Well then that makes all the military testimonies ,Bob Dean, Cliff Stone etc wrong........somehow I think the quarantine does not exist anymore- or never did- or perhaps intervention was necessary after our testing and setting off of atomic bombs - as some have implied.

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by Jnana

That's essentially correct. It isn't to keep them out so much as to keep us in until we learn how to play nicely with others.

Yup. To keep us in.

A parallel. We build fences to keep cattle in fields. And although it constrains them, fences protect livestock to some extent, as if they wander, they could venture out to areas of a forest where they might become prey to a cougar or bear, etc. We fence them in because they are ‘property’.

Mankind has a history of using lower animals for entertainment. Consider the Romans and their gladiator games. Consider the Spanish bullfighting. Consider rooster and dog fighting. Consider rodeos. Consider dog shows.

None of us can conceive what and who the higher ‘beings’ are really like. We can’t. We don’t have the ability to have that experience. “They” may bring their awareness down to our level, but that is all.

We were created by them. Their ultimate and overall reason for our creation is only known by them, not us.
They don’t “need” us. They have everything they want on their higher levels, more than we can possibly understand.

I think we’re a type of entertainment to “them”. Hollywood creates all kinds of fantasy entertainment films.. concepts that go into film making. No reason not to think our ‘creators’ haven’t just done it on a magnificent scale, 3D, a full dimensional entertainment package.

That may be hard to swallow, but I don’t see any way to prove that this idea is wrong.

[eleni]

Yes, we could have been created as slaves, entertainment , food and so on.
I'm not sure why that is hard to grasp either, we think we are the pinnacle of creation here on this planet, but they could have been created as the same and so on and so on- a grand cosmic joke of sorts.
Not to sound like a Peta activist (I'm not) but.....
Look at how majority of planet treats animals....and the humans get upset over cattle mutilations....what do you think goes on in slaughter houses on a daily basis?
The possibilities of many different agenda are limitless.

Since we are supposed to be in jail here on the planet- who said the inmates can't have visitors? It's a lot easier for visitors to come see us than vice versa.

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by eleni

Yes, we could have been created as slaves, entertainment , food and so on.
I'm not sure why that is hard to grasp either, we think we are the pinnacle of creation here on this planet, but they could have been created as the same and so on and so on- a grand cosmic joke of sorts.
Not to sound like a Peta activist (I'm not) but.....
Look at how majority of planet treats animals....and the humans get upset over cattle mutilations....what do you think goes on in slaughter houses on a daily basis?
The possibilities of many different agenda are limitless.

Since we are supposed to be in jail here on the planet- who said the inmates can't have visitors? It's a lot easier for visitors to come see us than vice versa.

I agree with most of your post . The cattle mutilations and human abductions , human body parts found in downed craft are absolutely not friendly . And they are not very recent phenomena .
I don't buy Greer's idea of the quarantine , as I said before , there are too many testimonies about bases on Mars and reverse engineered crafts .
And then there is the Gary McKinnon case . The quarantine is a device invented so that people don't ask about the bases on Mars and possibly other places . Reading other threads on this site ( Casbolt and the Watcher )
there are some entities who have been controlling this world for a long time .
Some of those entities might be interdimentional or from who knows where , but the fact is that they are evil . I agree that not all entities are evil , but the fact that the world is the mess it is cannot be possibly attributed to greed alone . There are the blood sacrifices , the pedophilia , and unimaginable horror of which some of our criminal leaders and Elite are part of it .

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by enemyofNWO

I agree with most of your post . The cattle mutilations and human abductions , human body parts found in downed craft are absolutely not friendly . And they are not very recent phenomena .
I don't buy Greer's idea of the quarantine , as I said before , there are too many testimonies about bases on Mars and reverse engineered crafts .
And then there is the Gary McKinnon case . The quarantine is a device invented so that people don't ask about the bases on Mars and possibly other places . Reading other threads on this site ( Casbolt and the Watcher )
there are some entities who have been controlling this world for a long time .
Some of those entities might be interdimentional or from who knows where , but the fact is that they are evil . I agree that not all entities are evil , but the fact that the world is the mess it is cannot be possibly attributed to greed alone . There are the blood sacrifices , the pedophilia , and unimaginable horror of which some of our criminal leaders and Elite are part of it .

If we were simply dealing with human beings...corrupt or pure...I would expect history and current events to be very different. I'm seeing something very dark...of a non-human nature...throughout history. I see something very good and beautiful when I look at the human body (especially the body of a member of the opposite sex!)...but regarding the governance and conduct of nations...I am not seeing the work of whoever was instrumental in creating the human body. As I have said before...I don't think that the God of This World is the Creator God of the Universe. Choices have been made. Battles have been fought. Deals have been made. History has been hidden. Lies have been told. And here we are. We may have made our own bed...but I'm not deliriously happy about sleeping in it...

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

As I have said before...I don't think that the God of This World is the Creator God of the Universe.

Nicely said.

It's unfortunate that many religions teach people to worship as if their only God is an image like man.

With the 80 billion galaxies our telescopes are seeing... the sheer size of our Universe tells me we have absolutely no concept of what the Creator God of the Universe is.

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I recommend calling Christ protection for your son every evening before sleeping, call to Archangel Michael to protect him, your house and family from all dark forces and all negative aliens. Out loud is best,

I fail to see any reason one must "call" for protection. I know of no evidence that those who "call", vs those who absent mindedly "don't call", have any verifiable different results. There is no proof that those who "don't call", are not just as fortunate in daily living as those who do. It's all an illusion in the minds eye. A mental placebo.

[tone3jaguar]

I can testify that if there is an issue with negative entities of any kind bothering someone that the situation can be neutralized by asking for the right help. The other side is not going to hold our hands and walk us across the street. They want us to learn, and learning which positive beings can help with what is part of that learning.

[eleni]

My son likes them, and I have to say I've never had a negative experience in all my years of being abducted- I also tend to view things in a more non dualistic manner- seeing things from multiple perspectives so I can't come out and say greys (they are more white to me anyhow) are evil and so on.

This could be pure BS on their part and it's something I told the late John Mack years ago when I worked with him and that is- I was told they are us from a future timeline- many believe that is deception- I cannot really answer that 100% and I don't think anyone else can.

My belief is that the grey type contains numerous different factions- we hear stories of human body parts etc; but do we have any solid evidence as to whether those stories are true? There are many things said about the visitors and the reality id probably that there are so many agendas/factions going on that we may never figure it out.