breaking news; Gary McKinnon

Phtha · 10-10-2009, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammit

Where do we become better than they are?

My answer to that is when we listen to our heart and not our brain.

My heart says Gary is harmless and well meaning and does not deserve jail time.

Ammit · 10-10-2009, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phtha

My answer to that is when we listen to our heart and not our brain.

My heart says Gary is harmless and well meaning and does not deserve jail time.

My heart is saying he did what he believed, my brain is saying he must have figured it was wrong to do it.

I have to ask, do you know this guy personally, do you know his actions were for good or was he just doing what he did because he had the skills to do it.

Are you using your own brain? to feel that what is going on is wrong or are you just listening to what is said on the avalon site and agreeing with it? You seem to be defending the guy , regardless of what he did and for what reasons.

Sometimes i feel to get an overall view of something then we must understand the other side of the argument. You cannot always sit on the fence and say " I ".

TheObserver · 10-10-2009, 12:55 AM

I'd rather they went after all the computer malware and virus writers myself.

Ammit · 10-10-2009, 01:01 AM

Who is to say the malware and virus writers dont actually work for the malware and virus defeating industry?

After all said and done, if i was a goverment wanting to protect my data then I would employ Gary as a security advisor, after all, if he can get in then he might be able to keep others out.

waitinginthewings · 10-10-2009, 02:04 AM

So lets see now......Gary is considered to be a criminal, so what would be fair punishment for his crimes........well lets look at any one of the elites, the bankers, any one of these people who have defrauded the public of their monies & are still doing it........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm they too are criminals & what kind of punishment do they get.......the best lawyers that the taxpayers money can buy, & if convicted, a slap on the hand & house arrest in some swanky suite in a fancy hotel. At the very worst, a short prison sentence with some homely perks thrown in. How's that for a fair & just system.

Our friend Gary will get the book thrown at him for his one-time crime, in order to help bring the truth to humanity, & a very long prison sentence. No fancy hotel suite for him, or any comforts from home.......but then he is just one of the peasants.....who cares about him...........he is disposable. Such is life of planet earth.

Beam me up Scotty

no caste · 10-10-2009, 04:27 AM

I don't know what the plans are now, but in July his lawyer said this:

What they are saying about Gary McKinnon
If the appeal is rejected, his lawyer, Karen Todner, plans to take the case to the House of Lords and/or the European Court of Human Rights...
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/51271,...-united-states

Ravens and Doves · 10-10-2009, 08:21 AM

I'm really ****** about Gary loosing his extradition case. I wish his appeal to the EU helps, but I'm afraid it's going to be a tough battle.

I'm going to do all I can to draw attention to this. I agree that he should be offered a job, not a prison sentance. If enough noise is made, it will not only help his case, but help with disclosure.

I have a cousin who once worked for the NSA's Central Security Service whose job it is to protect computer intellegence, etc. His duty involved transfering maintaining data that was in old hardware the the agency dosen't use anymore. Nothing too exciting (like shipping reciepts for paperwork in the cafiteria.... napkins and coffee cups) but he might have an insight or two.

If they try the case in LA, I have some lawyer friends who specialize in international law, but I would have to write a very persuasive letter as to why it's worth their time. The issue of UFOs and the secret space program would make more than a few worry about their reputations. I'm still going to try.

I was invited to a brunch with Congressman Sherman, who supports disclosure and exopolitics (like Ron Paul), but I didn't have the money one is expected to fork out for chow at the swanky restraunt. This was before Gary lost his battle. Now I would go anyway and approach Mr. Sherman in the parkng lot or something. We can still call his office and leave brief messages.

Let's not let this go until the last thread is pulled. Federal prisons are nasty places and Gary does not deserve such punishment.

Keep rolling the stones,

Paul

www.northhollywoodarts.com

www.ravensanddoves.com

Seth Haniel · 10-10-2009, 10:41 AM

good job he didn't illegally download a music file by mistake - he'd have been hung, drawn & quartered by now

if his hack had been at another time maybe it would have been overlooked - but being in the wake of 911 and knocking out US Navy systems for a week - a bit more difficult

Jacqui D · 10-10-2009, 11:42 AM

I can see most on this thread agree with me, however yes he did break the law, yes he did find evidence, yes he does deserve punishment.
However again i would like to point out that govenments/agents/police/ councils/ are doing this sort of thing all the time, looking into our private data on line.
No this is the governments and law going mad.
If it had been anything else other than looking for the truth i doubt if this would even have come to court.
Gary did what he did because he was sick like the most of us now of this denial of Et life forms/ufo's and free energy, something we have the right to know about!
They could have tried him here, he would have done his time but to send him out to the US to make an example of him will tip him over the edge and how does the crime he played out warrant 60/70 years in prison

If he does get sent to the US i have grave feelings for his sanity he has already said he would face suicide rather than being sentenced for life which it basically is, even murderers over here do not get a sentence like this.
And what of his mother how could she possibly be there for him she has fought a long battle on his behalf it's a sad day in the McKinnon household for sure.

Cymatic Veilbegone · 10-17-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammit

Who is to say the malware and virus writers dont actually work for the malware and virus defeating industry?
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My brother's friend used to work as a software engineer for a famous antivirus company & guess what? Nailed it! Job Security.

Shyt-stem is right. In ancient China...you paid the doctor a monthly sum when you were healthy, so the healthier the community was, the wealthier the doctor was. Win/Win. Harmonious. Symbiotic.

From Gary's account, these guys left the equivalent of the side entrance to the Pentagon open over the weekend.

"War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength." - Come On. This is getting pretty tired. This secretive competition based BS is OV-ER! Bring out all the dirt laundry, lets deal with it and evolve.

Jacqui D · 10-17-2009, 07:42 PM

well they gotta keep trying to keep him here, just can't imagine what he is going through.
I'm sending him light and love and hope that the truth in all of this will out soon.

sunflower · 10-17-2009, 09:40 PM

My sympathies are for Gary. Enough years of his life have been wasted by the slow progress of justice! He needs to get a job and get off the dole!

I wonder whether Gary has some documentation stashed away that he might use as a bargaining chip. I personally don't think he will be extradited. Too much negative publicity for the U. S. will be generated. All the details about what Gary found when he hacked into the Pentagon computers will be intensively raked over by the media.

I remember that Dan Burish publicly stated that he would come to Gary's defense if he were extradited - (Camelot archives). Will he keep his promise?

NicholaQuinn · 10-17-2009, 10:15 PM

I listened to a Coast 2 Coast interview on you tube with Dr Steven Greer. Who I have the upmost respect for.
He mentioned that he was going to be writing a letter in defense of
Gary Mckinnon.

Samarkis · 10-18-2009, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NicholaQuinn

I listened to a Coast 2 Coast interview on you tube with Dr Steven Greer. Who I have the upmost respect for.
He mentioned that he was going to be writing a letter in defense of
Gary Mckinnon.

I am glad there are many people that care to help! The greatest help is to make the case huge on youtube & Forums........ May Divine Creator watch over the McKinnons..........and ALL Lightworkers!!!!

lucrum · 10-18-2009, 02:27 PM

Gary McKinnon never claimed he didn't do the crime, but he strongly disagree that he damaged and/or brought down entire networks in the process.

He admits to have snooped around, but shocked that the security was non-existant.

Whatever happened to punishment fitting the crime?

He could very well be brought to trial in the UK, sentenced there and done his time. No, this isn't enough for the US. They claim he is a terrorist and that's why they want him badly...officially that is.

Unofficially I think Gary stumbled upon things he never thought he would stumble upon and to this day in retrospection regret doing what he did...in light of how much trouble he got out of it.

He deserve a punishment, but not this...

10-10-2009, 12:55 AM	#3
TheObserver Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: back in Minnesota Posts: 500	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon I'd rather they went after all the computer malware and virus writers myself.

10-10-2009, 01:01 AM	#4
Ammit Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Weymouth, Dorset, UK Posts: 827	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon Who is to say the malware and virus writers dont actually work for the malware and virus defeating industry? After all said and done, if i was a goverment wanting to protect my data then I would employ Gary as a security advisor, after all, if he can get in then he might be able to keep others out.

10-10-2009, 02:04 AM	#5
waitinginthewings Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BC. Canada Posts: 1,340	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon So lets see now......Gary is considered to be a criminal, so what would be fair punishment for his crimes........well lets look at any one of the elites, the bankers, any one of these people who have defrauded the public of their monies & are still doing it........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm they too are criminals & what kind of punishment do they get.......the best lawyers that the taxpayers money can buy, & if convicted, a slap on the hand & house arrest in some swanky suite in a fancy hotel. At the very worst, a short prison sentence with some homely perks thrown in. How's that for a fair & just system. Our friend Gary will get the book thrown at him for his one-time crime, in order to help bring the truth to humanity, & a very long prison sentence. No fancy hotel suite for him, or any comforts from home.......but then he is just one of the peasants.....who cares about him...........he is disposable. Such is life of planet earth. Beam me up Scotty

10-10-2009, 04:27 AM	#6
no caste Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,375	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon I don't know what the plans are now, but in July his lawyer said this: What they are saying about Gary McKinnon If the appeal is rejected, his lawyer, Karen Todner, plans to take the case to the House of Lords and/or the European Court of Human Rights... http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/51271,...-united-states

10-10-2009, 08:21 AM	#7
Ravens and Doves Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 218	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon I'm really ****** about Gary loosing his extradition case. I wish his appeal to the EU helps, but I'm afraid it's going to be a tough battle. I'm going to do all I can to draw attention to this. I agree that he should be offered a job, not a prison sentance. If enough noise is made, it will not only help his case, but help with disclosure. I have a cousin who once worked for the NSA's Central Security Service whose job it is to protect computer intellegence, etc. His duty involved transfering maintaining data that was in old hardware the the agency dosen't use anymore. Nothing too exciting (like shipping reciepts for paperwork in the cafiteria.... napkins and coffee cups) but he might have an insight or two. If they try the case in LA, I have some lawyer friends who specialize in international law, but I would have to write a very persuasive letter as to why it's worth their time. The issue of UFOs and the secret space program would make more than a few worry about their reputations. I'm still going to try. I was invited to a brunch with Congressman Sherman, who supports disclosure and exopolitics (like Ron Paul), but I didn't have the money one is expected to fork out for chow at the swanky restraunt. This was before Gary lost his battle. Now I would go anyway and approach Mr. Sherman in the parkng lot or something. We can still call his office and leave brief messages. Let's not let this go until the last thread is pulled. Federal prisons are nasty places and Gary does not deserve such punishment. Keep rolling the stones, Paul www.northhollywoodarts.com www.ravensanddoves.com

10-10-2009, 10:41 AM	#8
Seth Haniel Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hartlepool England But Moving Shortly to Fauldhouse Scotland Posts: 172	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon good job he didn't illegally download a music file by mistake - he'd have been hung, drawn & quartered by now if his hack had been at another time maybe it would have been overlooked - but being in the wake of 911 and knocking out US Navy systems for a week - a bit more difficult

10-10-2009, 11:42 AM	#9
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon I can see most on this thread agree with me, however yes he did break the law, yes he did find evidence, yes he does deserve punishment. However again i would like to point out that govenments/agents/police/ councils/ are doing this sort of thing all the time, looking into our private data on line. No this is the governments and law going mad. If it had been anything else other than looking for the truth i doubt if this would even have come to court. Gary did what he did because he was sick like the most of us now of this denial of Et life forms/ufo's and free energy, something we have the right to know about! They could have tried him here, he would have done his time but to send him out to the US to make an example of him will tip him over the edge and how does the crime he played out warrant 60/70 years in prison If he does get sent to the US i have grave feelings for his sanity he has already said he would face suicide rather than being sentenced for life which it basically is, even murderers over here do not get a sentence like this. And what of his mother how could she possibly be there for him she has fought a long battle on his behalf it's a sad day in the McKinnon household for sure.

10-17-2009, 07:42 PM	#11
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon well they gotta keep trying to keep him here, just can't imagine what he is going through. I'm sending him light and love and hope that the truth in all of this will out soon.

10-17-2009, 09:40 PM	#12
sunflower Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 443	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon My sympathies are for Gary. Enough years of his life have been wasted by the slow progress of justice! He needs to get a job and get off the dole! I wonder whether Gary has some documentation stashed away that he might use as a bargaining chip. I personally don't think he will be extradited. Too much negative publicity for the U. S. will be generated. All the details about what Gary found when he hacked into the Pentagon computers will be intensively raked over by the media. I remember that Dan Burish publicly stated that he would come to Gary's defense if he were extradited - (Camelot archives). Will he keep his promise?

10-17-2009, 10:15 PM	#13
NicholaQuinn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 29	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon I listened to a Coast 2 Coast interview on you tube with Dr Steven Greer. Who I have the upmost respect for. He mentioned that he was going to be writing a letter in defense of Gary Mckinnon.

10-18-2009, 02:27 PM	#15
lucrum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 209	Re: breaking news; Gary McKinnon Gary McKinnon never claimed he didn't do the crime, but he strongly disagree that he damaged and/or brought down entire networks in the process. He admits to have snooped around, but shocked that the security was non-existant. Whatever happened to punishment fitting the crime? He could very well be brought to trial in the UK, sentenced there and done his time. No, this isn't enough for the US. They claim he is a terrorist and that's why they want him badly...officially that is. Unofficially I think Gary stumbled upon things he never thought he would stumble upon and to this day in retrospection regret doing what he did...in light of how much trouble he got out of it. He deserve a punishment, but not this...