Avalon & Camelot Reptilian Experiencers revisited

[Antonia]

Beren, you seem to be a lovely person and I am happy that you find your solace in the bible, I do homer that… it’s just I can’t do the same…even though I have read the bible from cover to cover…. here are some reasons why I believe God or the Lord of the bible to be a tyrannical war lord, ET…. And not my God, whom I am very connected to and have a deep spiritual relationship with…




Ritual Human Sacrifice

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith - twenty towns - and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter - his only child - ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." Judges 11:29-40


Rules of genicide...
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Gods blood lust…Baby Killing,,,
"The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

God kills the Good Samaritan

"The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals."
"When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God." (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

Baby Bashing

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9 NAB


Child Beating

"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him takes care to chastise him" (Proverbs 13:24 NAB)

"Chastise your son, for in this there is hope, but do not desire his death. The man of violent temper pays the penalty; even if you rescue him, you will have to do it again." (Proverbs 19:18-19 NAB)

God tells his people to Kill Followers of Other Religions

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

God demands Murder, Rape, and Pillage at Jabesh-gilead

"So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan."

"The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

"Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes." (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)


David's Punishment More rape, murder and baby killing demanded by God

"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives (plural) while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'"
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." (The child dies seven days later.) 2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB

Slave Beating

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." Exodus 21:20-21 NAB

Sampson and the Spirit of the Lord

"The spirit of the Lord came upon him (Sampson), and he went down to Ashkelon, where he killed thirty of their men and despoiled them; he gave their garments to those who had answered his riddle." (Sampson used the garments to pay off a bet he lost.) Judges 14:19 NAB

Bloody Sabbath God demands death of man for gathering wood.

"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, "This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp." So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded Moses." Numbers 15:32-36 NAB

Murder, Rape, Pillage, and Plunder

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby. "As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you. This will keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 20:10-18 NLT

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites

"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho."

"Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Numbers 31:7-18 NLT



Burning of temple at Baal (There's nothing like a good church barbeque.)

"Then Jehu called a meeting of all the people of the city and said to them, "Ahab hardly worshiped Baal at all compared to the way I will worship him! Summon all the prophets and worshipers of Baal, and call together all his priests. See to it that every one of them comes, for I am going to offer a great sacrifice to Baal. Any of Baal's worshipers who fail to come will be put to death." But Jehu's plan was to destroy all the worshipers of Baal. Then Jehu ordered, "Prepare a solemn assembly to worship Baal!" So they did. He sent messengers throughout all Israel summoning those who worshiped Baal. They all came and filled the temple of Baal from one end to the other. And Jehu instructed the keeper of the wardrobe, "Be sure that every worshiper of Baal wears one of these robes." So robes were given to them"

"Then Jehu went into the temple of Baal with Jehonadab son of Recab. Jehu said to the worshipers of Baal, "Make sure that only those who worship Baal are here. Don't let anyone in who worships the LORD!" So they were all inside the temple to offer sacrifices and burnt offerings. Now Jehu had surrounded the building with eighty of his men and had warned them, "If you let anyone escape, you will pay for it with your own life."

"As soon as Jehu had finished sacrificing the burnt offering, he commanded his guards and officers, "Go in and kill all of them. Don't let a single one escape!" So they killed them all with their swords, and the guards and officers dragged their bodies outside. Then Jehu's men went into the fortress of the temple of Baal. They dragged out the sacred pillar used in the worship of Baal and destroyed it. They broke down the sacred pillar of Baal and wrecked the temple of Baal, converting it into a public toilet. That is what it is used for to this day." 2 Kings 10:18-27 NLT


Saul’s Kindness???

Saul sent this message to the Kenites: "Move away from where the Amalekites live or else you will die with them. For you were kind to the people of Israel when they came up from Egypt." So the Kenites packed up and left. Then Saul slaughtered the Amalekites from Havilah all the way to Shur, east of Egypt. (1 Samuel 15:6-7 NLT)



Genocide

During this period, Joshua destroyed all the descendants of Anak, who lived in the hill country of Hebron, Debir, Anab, and the entire hill country of Judah and Israel. He killed them all and completely destroyed their towns. Not one was left in all the land of Israel, though some still remained in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. So Joshua took control of the entire land, just as the LORD had instructed Moses. He gave it to the people of Israel as their special possession, dividing the land among the tribes. So the land finally had rest from war. (Joshua 11:21-23 NLT)



God hardens hearts and makes people fight the Isralites only to be slaughterd..

So Joshua conquered the entire region – the hill country, the Negev, the land of Goshen, the western foothills, the Jordan Valley, and the mountains and lowlands of Israel. The Israelite territory now extended all the way from Mount Halak, which leads up to Seir, to Baal-gad at the foot of Mount Hermon in the valley of Lebanon. Joshua killed all the kings of those territories, waging war for a long time to accomplish this. No one in this region made peace with the Israelites except the Hivites of Gibeon. All the others were defeated. For the LORD hardened their hearts and caused them to fight the Israelites instead of asking for peace. So they were completely and mercilessly destroyed, as the LORD had commanded Moses. (Joshua 11:16-20 NLT)




Whole Towns Murdered at the bequest of God

The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked the Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of Israel made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request and gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely destroyed them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since. (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)




God’s psychotic Wrath

Weep and moan, you evil shepherds! Roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock! The time of your slaughter has arrived; you will fall and shatter like fragile pottery. You will find no place to hide; there will be no way to escape. Listen to the frantic cries of the shepherds, to the leaders of the flock shouting in despair, for the LORD is spoiling their pastures. Peaceful meadows will be turned into a wasteland by the LORD's fierce anger. He has left his den like a lion seeking its prey, and their land will be made desolate by the sword of the enemy and the LORD's fierce anger. (Jeremiah 25:34-38 NLT)




God Slaughter’s countless people///

In that day those the LORD has slaughtered will fill the earth from one end to the other. No one will mourn for them or gather up their bodies to bury them. They will be scattered like dung on the ground. (Jeremiah 25:33 NLT)



The Cup of Anger God insights hate and anger

Then the LORD, the God of Israel, said to me, "Take from my hand this cup filled to the brim with my anger, and make all the nations to whom I send you drink from it. When they drink from it, they will stagger, crazed by the warfare I will send against them." (Jeremiah 25:15-16 NLT)



Complete Destruction

And now the LORD Almighty says: Because you have not listened to me, I will gather together all the armies of the north under King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, whom I have appointed as my deputy. I will bring them all against this land and its people and against the other nations near you. I will completely destroy you and make you an object of horror and contempt and a ruin forever. I will take away your happy singing and laughter. The joyful voices of bridegrooms and brides will no longer be heard. Your businesses will fail, and all your homes will stand silent and dark. This entire land will become a desolate wasteland. (Jeremiah 25:8-11 NLT)

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Lionhawk

RedeZra stated,
"We know Him as Jesus the Personification of the Spirit within the Christ".

"We", is who exactly? Someone in the past that actually knew him?
But do you really "know him"? Or do you "know of him" through the so called word? Big difference. One is first hand and the other is second hand.

The question has been place in this thread for a reason. I know of you but do I know you? Something to ponder.......

I know what you mean ...and it is a ponder


How would we know about Him if not for the written words in the good Book

How could we cultivate some relation with Him if we did not read about Him


If we only listen to what other people tell us about Him - friends family internet school and church - the situation and the messenger will color our perception of Him


Who is He

that is a mystery for each one of us to unravel or ignore

what we fancy and believe Him to be or not to be determines our relation with Him and others but it does not change who He is

if some believes Him to be the Spirit an ET or a mere mortal - still its just constructions of some mind - it tells us more about the constructor himself and his belief system values and ideals


He is what He is and He is Accessible

It matters not when we call

if we believe Him to be in Heaven Sirius or Within

He will Hear

[Wormhole]

Hello, I welcome myself back to the thread. Phew!

Folks I've just been through an interesting encounter, and my resolve is even clearer. The more blocks on the road, the more motivated I become. Wow, so much has happened in the last few days here on the thread. Please bear with me while I catch up! Thank you for your patience.

First let me welcome Akopij, thank you for your stories and your truth. I honor you for your courage and words.

Antonia: What a breath of fresh air you are! Have you read any Elaine Pagels (one of my personal favorites)? Thank you for clearing the air and being in truth.

Everyone else, I wink in your general direction...

SOOOO...
Here's the scoop. As many of you know I've been working on a side project. I am going to make a small announcement here regarding it. I have recently been involved with a group of health professionals and activists that are taking our issue seriously. When I say "our" issue, I am speaking of the issue of contact and non-consensual experimentation (military and alien).

If you are one of these people, I am currently collecting stories, past and most importantly recent; this is the first step to a future that will can connect us to professional help. These professionals will not judge us to be NUTS or Bipolar. They understand and believe that we are real people who are dealing with a reality... Just what that reality is, we do not know.

This process can help us find out what's going on, help us find solidarity and eventually treatment if you are in trauma. I assure you that an open mind is what these stories are being greeted with. All can remain anonymous. If you want to go there, you need to take the leap of faith and email me at worm.hole7@gmail.com

If you are a counselor, I would be happy to direct you to this resource if you have an earnest interest in helping people. Perhaps you may want to join in, if you have not already done so.

Big hugs...
More later.
Peace of mind, strength of Heart,
Wormhole

ps. Thank you Warriors of the thread.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Hello, I welcome myself back to the thread. Phew!

Folks I've just been through an interesting encounter, and my resolve is even clearer. The more blocks on the road, the more motivated I become. Wow, so much has happened in the last few days here on the thread. Please bear with me while I catch up! Thank you for your patience.

First let me welcome Akopij, thank you for your stories and your truth. I honor you for your courage and words.

Antonia: What a breath of fresh air you are! Have you read any Elaine Pagels (one of my personal favorites)? Thank you for clearing the air and being in truth.

Everyone else, I wink in your general direction...

SOOOO...
Here's the scoop. As many of you know I've been working on a side project. I am going to make a small announcement here regarding it. I have recently been involved with a group of health professionals and activists that are taking our issue seriously. When I say "our" issue, I am speaking of the issue of contact and non-consensual experimentation (military and alien).

If you are one of these people, I am currently collecting stories, past and most importantly recent; this is the first step to a future that will can connect us to professional help. These professionals will not judge us to be NUTS or Bipolar. They understand and believe that we are real people who are dealing with a reality... Just what that reality is, we do not know.

This process can help us find out what's going on, help us find solidarity and eventually treatment if you are in trauma. I assure you that an open mind is what these stories are being greeted with. All can remain anonymous. If you want to go there, you need to take the leap of faith and email me at worm.hole7@gmail.com

If you are a counselor, I would be happy to direct you to this resource if you have an earnest interest in helping people. Perhaps you may want to join in, if you have not already done so.

Big hugs...
More later.
Peace of mind, strength of Heart,
Wormhole

ps. Thank you Warriors of the thread.

Thanks Worm hole...keep us posted

[beren]

[QUOTE=Antonia;180083]Beren, you seem to be a lovely person and I am happy that you find your solace in the bible, I do homer that… it’s just I can’t do the same…even though I have read the bible from cover to cover…. here are some reasons why I believe God or the Lord of the bible to be a tyrannical war lord, ET…. And not my God, whom I am very connected to and have a deep spiritual relationship with…





Thank you for your honest opinion.
I see what you mean when quoting that and it is perfectly fine. But all you need to do is read it again , forget about sermons from churches and read the book . The context is the key for understanding.

There is crystal clear reason for every single thing you quote from the Bible. But you need to explore deeply why God ordered Israel to exterminate entire nations, why God said and ordered other things which for us today looks awful.
We have to understand how badly the situation was in that times with Israel and surrounding nations. Israel was barely above them in sanity and conscience. You see when you read old testament that Israel falls easily into trap of demon worshiping,human sacrificing,sexual orgies, sorcery and many more evil things which was quite common among all nations around them.

We have to understand that if a body is very sick and endangered and requires urgent surgery to remove threats such as gangrene in order to be saved, an urgent measures must be taken. Weed must be rooted out in order for a wheat to flourish.

That is why it is stated that old testament a Mosaic law was a care taker which lead to Christ. When Christ came he brought a clear message from God: :"It is enough with elementary school, it is time to finally grow up and learn to be human without me forcing you as some ignorants. If you wanted from the begging to be enlightened and not to be stubborn, harsh measures would never be there. But It took me thousands of years to teach you basic things like not to have sex with an animal or with your sister or any other abominations as the other nations were practicing that. But you were terribly slow learners! Now it is enough! " Jesus gave the message and now we can seek salvation through him , not through Mosaic law. Bible is giving us clear view into conscience of that time-people. It is like documentary of what was happening in the past and how people actually grew or did not grow in in their awareness...Beautiful example was when God sent prophet Jonas to preach destruction of the city of Nineveh in Assyria. Jonas told them that and went on one hill to see what will happen. People of that city were very evil but they repented and the city was spared. But Jonas was angry because God did not kill them all and he was then taught a lesson from God that for God every life is precious and life of animals and of every living creature too. Jonas had to learn a lesson and not to be stubborn and over proud . Later in history that city was destroyed because people chose again to be evil...Bible is not sugar coating or mis leading ,it aways tells the truth. Sometimes we can not bear it . Sometimes we are to poised with our own weakness that we can`t stand the truth in the particular moment.

Re read it again and again, whatever is not clear, write it down and while reading and comparing and connecting the dots you will find answers.
The biggest lie of Satan is to actually blame God for his own evil deeds and things, for his own provocations and later blaming God for that.

Some things I do not understand too, like you but I found many answers through years and all came perfectly clear.
Some things are still to be explained but I don`t want to jump to conclusions...

One thing is sure religion has basically done ill favor to Bible ,especially "churchianity"... Because of them many blame God and Bible . That is one of heavier punches by Satan towards people and God...

[RedeZra]

the Parent


to all the children in all the worlds

is the Standard of Love and Truth

and wants all the children to live up to it


adolescents are not so big on authority

and will challenge it and try change it

and associates with bad company


what will the Parent do ?


Conform the rules to the adolescents and lower the Standard to the children and to how low ?

Confront the rules to the adolescents and set an example of Chastisement ?


It seems harsh that the Parent wants the death of its children for various transgressions for the restoration of the Standard and the harmony of the Family - but remember we are not the body and we do not die - when the Parent is involved in the removal of some of the children from the earth before they do greater damage to themselves and others - they are brought closer to Home and taught a lesson in Love and Truth

[Antonia]

Sorry but the bible may have a few loving messages hidden amongst all the descriptions of highly technologically advanced people flying in the sky and using weapons and abducting Earth Humans… Elijah… Enoch…to name a few… and mixing with earth peoples genetics and trying to controle people … through fear structures… but it’s just Aliens to me… even angels were called Travelers and Watchers in direct Hebrew to English translations… they walked on the ground slept in beds and sat and eat with humans … they were tall and Blond that’s how they distinguished them apart from earth humans… even in Sodom and Gomorrah, Three angels come and spend the night with Lot. The people of the city were demented and shagging any thing that moved at that point and noticed these good looking strangers… They came to Lot’s housee and demanded that Lot release the angels so they could Know them (Shag them).. Lot is horrified and offers his daughters instead… the people say no and take the angels and rape them…. That’s why they nuke the place the next day in revenge for being Sodomised and raped… these angels were flesh and blood… ET’s Nordic Blonds..

I would find the material below far more believable and all encompassing in explaining the Earth drama and the events long before the bible , during the bible and up to now…





Here’s the last one first…

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59037509881698


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3577070064505#

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...+2+of+4&emb=0#

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...y+3+of+4&emb=0

[Lionhawk]

Antonia said,

"Here’s the last one first…"

This sounds like Anna Hayes. If you are a New Age subscriber, be fore warned that she cuts to the chase and you might not like her take on the New Age as compared to what is really going on in the present reality. In other words, how can I say this without coming on to strong, she doesn't subscribe to the warm and fuzzy take on things. I hope no one takes offense as to how I put that and I was being very sincere when I said it. I feel like I'm walking on egg shells, here.

[deb003]

[quote=beren;180088]

Originally Posted by Antonia

Beren, you seem to be a lovely person and I am happy that you find your solace in the bible, I do homer that… it’s just I can’t do the same…even though I have read the bible from cover to cover…. here are some reasons why I believe God or the Lord of the bible to be a tyrannical war lord, ET…. And not my God, whom I am very connected to and have a deep spiritual relationship with…





Thank you for your honest opinion.
I see what you mean when quoting that and it is perfectly fine. But all you need to do is read it again , forget about sermons from churches and read the book . The context is the key for understanding.

There is crystal clear reason for every single thing you quote from the Bible. But you need to explore deeply why God ordered Israel to exterminate entire nations, why God said and ordered other things which for us today looks awful.
We have to understand how badly the situation was in that times with Israel and surrounding nations. Israel was barely above them in sanity and conscience. You see when you read old testament that Israel falls easily into trap of demon worshiping,human sacrificing,sexual orgies, sorcery and many more evil things which was quite common among all nations around them.

We have to understand that if a body is very sick and endangered and requires urgent surgery to remove threats such as gangrene in order to be saved, an urgent measures must be taken. Weed must be rooted out in order for a wheat to flourish.

That is why it is stated that old testament a Mosaic law was a care taker which lead to Christ. When Christ came he brought a clear message from God: :"It is enough with elementary school, it is time to finally grow up and learn to be human without me forcing you as some ignorants. If you wanted from the begging to be enlightened and not to be stubborn, harsh measures would never be there. But It took me thousands of years to teach you basic things like not to have sex with an animal or with your sister or any other abominations as the other nations were practicing that. But you were terribly slow learners! Now it is enough! " Jesus gave the message and now we can seek salvation through him , not through Mosaic law. Bible is giving us clear view into conscience of that time-people. It is like documentary of what was happening in the past and how people actually grew or did not grow in in their awareness...Beautiful example was when God sent prophet Jonas to preach destruction of the city of Nineveh in Assyria. Jonas told them that and went on one hill to see what will happen. People of that city were very evil but they repented and the city was spared. But Jonas was angry because God did not kill them all and he was then taught a lesson from God that for God every life is precious and life of animals and of every living creature too. Jonas had to learn a lesson and not to be stubborn and over proud . Later in history that city was destroyed because people chose again to be evil...Bible is not sugar coating or mis leading ,it aways tells the truth. Sometimes we can not bear it . Sometimes we are to poised with our own weakness that we can`t stand the truth in the particular moment.

Re read it again and again, whatever is not clear, write it down and while reading and comparing and connecting the dots you will find answers.
The biggest lie of Satan is to actually blame God for his own evil deeds and things, for his own provocations and later blaming God for that.

Some things I do not understand too, like you but I found many answers through years and all came perfectly clear.
Some things are still to be explained but I don`t want to jump to conclusions...

One thing is sure religion has basically done ill favor to Bible ,especially "churchianity"... Because of them many blame God and Bible . That is one of heavier punches by Satan towards people and God...

Beren,
have you read or watched interviews with John Todd?
he is a former illuminati music manager and he turned to christianity and exposed what he knew. he only lived until 33 years old. It seems they got to him.
Well, he mentions that many parts in the bible are not speaking of God but the really the god of satan or the nephilim, which is why there is so much confusion. He discussed that the new testament and what jesus was saying is more truth but that the bible itself is not referring to a universal god but Satan or other gods.

[eleni]

Adding this to the confusion- a good read IMHO

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

[beren]

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Originally Posted by beren

Beren,
have you read or watched interviews with John Todd?
he is a former illuminati music manager and he turned to christianity and exposed what he knew. he only lived until 33 years old. It seems they got to him.
Well, he mentions that many parts in the bible are not speaking of God but the really the god of satan or the nephilim, which is why there is so much confusion. He discussed that the new testament and what jesus was saying is more truth but that the bible itself is not referring to a universal god but Satan or other gods.

I didn`t . Do you have any link?
With Illuminati all is possible. Whole their organization is structured on fear, lies and half truths.
I would not be surprised that they fed him up with a lot of dis info.
The problem with Bible is that rarely it is read. People tend to speculate and speak with hear -say style regarding to Bible.

Also whole Bible has a one line structure and a story through out whole book.
Basically Bible means a group of books, 66 of them ,Catholics have more in their Bibles.

So it is a collection of writing of 40 different authors and it was written in 1500 year period of time.
Amazing thing is that all books inside synchronize. Even Jesus stated that every single word from Bible will fulfill.
Also Bible is the most translated piece of work on Earth and in the same time the most mis understood, hated, burned, or ill -taken writing on Earth.

I like to talk about it since it is worthy. Many people draw few sentences from it and go make their own conclusions.
Religion has been using Bible as their cloak in order to fool people and rule them. They use certain passages from Bible and mix then with their own teachings and lay upon people with words: " GOD WANTS YOU TO DO THIS-UNLESS HE WILL PUNISH YOU! "
No wonder why people blame God then.
That `s why I am saying to look beyond religion, pastors, priests and rest. To look through religious man made dogma when reading Bible.
It is so much more than it was represented by religions today.

I will not repeat my self here again but one I will say, there is every reason for every word that was written there.
If we do not know the whole facts why something was done there in that past time, do we have a right to judge that?

Anyways no matter what I or some others here write, I will be labeled as religious freak, preacher, bible believer or whatever.
I simply do not care because I am not any of above .

Jesus said there is only one who will be as a bridge between Father and man and that is Jesus Christ.
Did he mention religion,clergy,priesthood,philosophy,teachings,po litics,empires,societies,congregations,or any thing else?
No.
Simple as that.
Can we take it as simple as it is?

Or we need "complicated" things ,astral projections,demons,reptilians,philosophies ,eastern teachings,ayahasca, drugs,ET`s,grays, Nordics or anything imaginable under this sky to tell us that black is actually black, and that white is really white???

I don`t wish to sound rude or as know all guy... I am just asking sound question with healthy thinking...

Love and blessings to all!

Beren

[Unified Serenity]

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Originally Posted by deb003

So it is a collection of writing of 40 different authors and it was written in 1500 year period of time.
Amazing thing is that all books inside synchronize. Even Jesus stated that every single word from Bible will fulfill.
Also Bible is the most translated piece of work on Earth and in the same time the most mis understood, hated, burned, or ill -taken writing on Earth.

Beren

Beren,

The bible he spoke of is the Tanach. Have you ever read the Tanach in it's original language or studied it's Hebrew idioms and culture? The codification was in 326 AD and they tossed out much of what the people were accepting as sacred scripture. The Gnostics were completely ignored. Sure the bible is the most translated book. If the one world worshipping group is going to change it, use it to control the people of course they would make sure it was printed in every language and there were plenty of missionaries to carry around and preach the "good news".

Many who have come out of the Illuminati will tell how our biggest religious leaders in Christianity are Luciferians. How they either witnessed or were victims of these sadistic liars, these white washed tombs, and den of vipers.

I think Jesus knew exactly who he was dealing with, and that is why they killed him. He called them imposters, Kenites, sons of the devil, and guilty of all the blood sacrifices of the prophets of God from Abel to Zacharias on the Portico of Solomon. He revealed a great deal, and few have eyes to see the truth.

The bible is written on three levels. One to those who are only able to digest milk, one for those who can digest more solid food, and others who can handle meat. For the Illuminati, they have a funny rule. They can't do anything without saying what they are doing. They said so in the bible, twisted things, and hid them in plain sight, but few are they who will give themselves to study of it and fewer are they who can see the beautifully woven truth and what is planned.

I have zero fear for the future. I welcome it, and look forward to it because of what I know will happen. Recent dreams have given me more reason to feel we are very close at hand.

Beren, I bid you peace and hope you find what you re looking for.

US