Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes"

Karen · 11-12-2009, 11:01 PM

Puts on moderator hat:

If you have something to say about this dark subject - say it, here or in PM. I'm watching. I'm listening. I'm weary of trying to decode code talk, needle out nuances, and sift through a zillion grains of sand looking for that gold nugget of how people feel about what's going on here. It's every member's forum and this one may come down to a case of the majority.

Putting on member hat:

I am so sensitive to images, that in order to stay here, I had to find the code to turn off these jumping, swirling, and dancing avatars and emoticons in Firefox. Then when I found the vBulletin button to turn off avatars and get them out my field of vision while I read messages I did that too. I miss the beautiful ones, but there are a few I don't miss at all. It was worth it. I no longer have to hang a folded newspaper on the left side of my monitor when reading some threads.

While I'm participating in this forum, I don't want to look at naked women, or even 7/8th naked women. I don't want to look at cats with devilish eyes, or wicked looking old crones. I don't want to look at deviant art or watch sexual performances where a woman sticks her bare foot in a man's mouth and pours an alcohol beverage down her leg.

I would think those who are on THIS forum that want to look at deviant art are in the minority. Forums are interest specific. I'm not going to join a knitting or cooking forum either. So one way or another, voluntarily or otherwise - this deviant art ends now, or I will take my leave of this place.

Stargazer1965 · 11-13-2009, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen

Puts on moderator hat:

If you have something to say about this dark subject - say it, here or in PM. I'm watching. I'm listening. I'm weary of trying to decode code talk, needle out nuances, and sift through a zillion grains of sand looking for that gold nugget of how people feel about what's going on here. It's every member's forum and this one may come down to a case of the majority.

Putting on member hat:

I am so sensitive to images, that in order to stay here, I had to find the code to turn off these jumping, swirling, and dancing avatars and emoticons in Firefox. Then when I found the vBulletin button to turn off avatars and get them out my field of vision while I read messages I did that too. I miss the beautiful ones, but there are a few I don't miss at all. It was worth it. I no longer have to hang a folded newspaper on the left side of my monitor when reading some threads.

While I'm participating in this forum, I don't want to look at naked women, or even 7/8th naked women. I don't want to look at cats with devilish eyes, or wicked looking old crones. I don't want to look at deviant art or watch sexual performances where a woman sticks her bare foot in a man's mouth and pours an alcohol beverage down her leg.

I would think those who are on THIS forum that want to look at deviant art are in the minority. Forums are interest specific. I'm not going to join a knitting or cooking forum either. So one way or another, voluntarily or otherwise - this deviant art ends now, or I will take my leave of this place.

Okay gloves off...

We became "too understanding...too accepting"

Pablo brought the girls in the bar......the nipple pics...then the full frontal fondling herself..

Now I am no prude.....If I want to go to a strip bar...I'll pay for that

If I want to grow in spirit...I come here

If I want to learn from scientific minds on the fringe...I come here

If I want religion shoved down my throat...I'll go see father down at my catholic church

The boundaries are wide...but they are there

Karen...you are people just like us....How accepting can you be as a moderator??

You guys probably have little guidance and this is not your fault but neither can it go on.

If we can't make a stand here...how can we make a stand out in the world??

We trust that if we get out of hand a little or get a little heated...you guys do need to step in

But when a member does not contribute to the reason for this place....are they just taking up room??

I'm guilty of one liners....Plenty

but I also take long pauses and think of what I'm going to write

and Ask myself every time

Am I giving knowledge

or

Am I sharing spirituality

how many times have a picked up a golden nuggets from someone posting using those same questions??

We do need shepherds Karen......

Peace

P4BL0 · 11-13-2009, 01:06 AM

Yes.. You are all right..
I have brought too much nonsense upon this forum.
I shall retreat in peace.
I let you all get back to the real discussions without any further disturbances.
Don't worry.. i will not post any more pictures in Avalon.
My apologies if I have frightened anyone.
Sorry mate!
I guess, I'm just haven't had the opportunity to evolve as a spiritual being yet.
So I'm now going to do the real practice in my own time and space before posting any more silly comments.

God bless you all!
May you attain the highers truth.
Because the truth will set us free.

Pablo

TheObserver · 11-13-2009, 01:25 AM

I was simply answering Brook's question, so yeah knowledge SG1965, i was sharing my thoughts.

14 Chakras · 11-13-2009, 01:30 AM

Consider, darkness wins when you fight it. The act of fighting is all it takes for darkness to win.

Whenever you fight something, you will create an equal and opposite reaction, and the cycle will continue indefinitely until one side finally decides it's time to turn the other cheek, and to continue doing so.

Gandhi is the best modern example of this in action. Could India have gained independence by fighting? I do not believe so.

Turning the other cheek is not a passive measure. For it results in the 'other side' having to examine their actions. You are no longer fighting back. No longer creating a reaction. Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror and can no longer create a picture of you being the cause of their own problems. They also have to deal with the karma, which will increase exponentially when the continue to act against one that turns the cheek, while u just keep shining your light like a sun.

For me, it's not about choosing sides, it's about moving beyond the fight.

In order to have a perpetrator, you must have a victim. We can now finally choose to move beyond the victim consciousness and take responsibility for our own energy fields and world and know truly we are co-creators.

We are here to shine our light brightly like Suns, but not to fight the darkness, merely enlighten it. If people knew better, they would do better. Shine the light on the darkness and people will know better.

We are here to Be Suns

waitinginthewings · 11-13-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Consider, darkness wins when you fight it. The act of fighting is all it takes for darkness to win.

Whenever you fight something, you will create an equal and opposite reaction, and the cycle will continue indefinitely until one side finally decides it's time to turn the other cheek, and to continue doing so.

Gandhi is the best modern example of this in action. Could India have gained independence by fighting? I do not believe so.

Turning the other cheek is not a passive measure. For it results in the 'other side' having to examine their actions. You are no longer fighting back. No longer creating a reaction. Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror and can no longer create a picture of you being the cause of their own problems. They also have to deal with the karma, which will increase exponentially when the continue to act against one that turns the cheek, while u just keep shining your light like a sun.

For me, it's not about choosing sides, it's about moving beyond the fight.

In order to have a perpetrator, you must have a victim. We can now finally choose to move beyond the victim consciousness and take responsibility for our own energy fields and world and know truly we are co-creators.

We are here to shine our light brightly like Suns, but not to fight the darkness, merely enlighten it. If people knew better, they would do better. Shine the light on the darkness and people will know better.

We are here to Be Suns

14Chakra: I'm confused with your post. Can you clarify briefly who you are referring to & what exactly are you saying.

Ghandi never gave up......he simply held his ground with his people & protested in a non-agressive way. He did not turn the other cheek & go home & forget about it, nor did his people. He demonstrated fighting ones oppressors without violence & not giving up.

You say we are here to enlighten the darkness.....I think you underestimate the darkness......which is why we need to be on guard, while shining our light everywhere.

BROOK · 11-13-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

14Chakra: I'm confused with your post. Can you clarify briefly who you are referring to & what exactly are you saying.

Ghandi never gave up......he simply held his ground with his people & protested in a non-agressive way. He did not turn the other cheek & go home & forget about it, nor did his people. He demonstrated fighting ones oppressors without violence & not giving up.

You say we are here to enlighten the darkness.....I think you underestimate the darkness......which is why we need to be on guard, while shining our light everywhere.

Absolutely

14 Chakras · 11-13-2009, 02:10 AM

Not directed at anyone in particular.

Did Gandhi fight the British? I suggest a watch of the movie Gandhi sometime, it is a great movie and will show how India gained independence.

Gandhi's entire strategy was to turn the other cheek. Notice how you must stand your ground to turn the other cheek. If you run away, is this turning the other cheek? No it is not.

You shine your light. Someone attacks you for it. Do you fight back? How about you stand your ground and keep shining your light instead!

Thinking we must respond fist for fist, eye for eye, is the same kind of thinking that has had the world in wars for the past several thousand years.

There has even been described a 700,000 year war that has been raging in space. Did either side turn the other cheek? Is there maybe a lesson to be learned there? Hmmmmmmmm I dunno know, whataya think?

To get us where we want to go, a world that works for everyone, it's not about 'getting rid of them', it's about realizing that 'they' are not our problem. We are our problem! The problem lies within us. Fix our own consciousness, and we'll realize both the problems and solutions lie inside of us.

waitinginthewings · 11-13-2009, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Not directed at anyone in particular.

Did Gandhi fight the British? I suggest a watch of the movie Gandhi sometime, it is a great movie and will show how India gained independence.Yes, I have watched it a few times, some years ago now....very good movie

Gandhi's entire strategy was to turn the other cheek. Notice how you must stand your ground to turn the other cheek. If you run away, is this turning the other cheek? No it is not. agreed

You shine your light. Someone attacks you for it. Do you fight back? How about you stand your ground and keep shining your light instead!agreed

Thinking we must respond fist for fist, eye for eye, is the same kind of thinking that has had the world in wars for the past several thousand years.No one here is suggesting this is the way to go

There has even been described a 700,000 year war that has been raging in space. Did either side turn the other cheek? Is there maybe a lesson to be learned there? Hmmmmmmmm I dunno know, whataya think? Dont know if this is a real war or not...so no comment

To get us where we want to go, a world that works for everyone, it's not about 'getting rid of them', it's about realizing that 'they' are not our problem.They are our problem if they keep getting in our way, & trying control/oppress us in any way. We are our problem! The problem lies within us. Each of us have our own problems, yes & that is our responsibility to work on these, but it does not negate others imposing their problems on us eitherFix our own consciousness, and we'll realize both the problems and solutions lie inside of us. I ask you to think about this situation.....the Tibetan monks & nuns busy working on their consciousness in their monastery, peaceful, loving, compassionate beings not harming anyone.......now picture the Chinese guards that invaded their serene & peaceful setting. They were dragged outside and shot in their courtyards....some of nuns were raped & then killed. Not a pleasant picture. The monks without any weapons to defend themselves, were slaughtered. You say turn the other cheek

14 Chakras · 11-13-2009, 02:48 AM

Tibet - Yes a great example.

The entire world knows that the little Tibet is abused by the big Chinese.

In fact, China has a very strong desire to go in and wipe out the light bearers that are in Tibet and turn it into a home for Chinese rather than Tibetans. They do not respect their spiritual culture, and in reality see it as a great threat.

Now if it was all about fighting, China would have done this a long time ago. China is almost infinitely superior in terms of military strength.

The reality is, if the Tibetans practice open warfare against the Chinese, the Chinese will almost instantly wipe them out.

So why hasn't China been able to do this?

The reason China has not been able to do this is because Tibetan's have not fought their oppressors. Instead, the Tibetans have continued to do their best to shine their light, and when practical (when it will ideally get some news coverage), protest their oppressors. They have been seen by the entire world being abused and mistreated as they turn the other cheek.

I suggest, this ALONE has saved their culture from being taken over by the Chinese.

Tibet has gained massive support from millions of people all over the world. If China we're to openly declare war on them, the opposition in the heart's and minds of the people of the world would overwhelm them.

The Karma would literally be too much for the Chinese to bear. Their government would almost definitely begin to fall apart at the seems.

Free Will is the most powerful law on planet earth. Because the majority of spiritual people on this planet have seen Tibetan's peaceful nature, they have made a commitment in their hearts that Tibet will remain. Tibet stands to this day, and will be a bright light in leading a New Earth in the East in large part due to their strategy of turning the other cheek. May we learn by their example in the face of enormous opposition we face.

We don't have the guns, we don't have the technology, but a pure heart is so much more powerful. A New Earth will be built on the Pure in heart.

FIIISH · 11-13-2009, 03:02 AM

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I shall retreat in peace.

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.

BROOK · 11-13-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FIIISH

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.

I understand your feeling about this...no one wants to be run off..and no one is running anyone off.
I certainly would feel bad if that happened to me.
However...there is a line that has been crossed here, and there had been plenty of opportunity to correct the situation...but instead..we get more of the same, in the way of Kittens, and satirical videos..a laugh in the face as I see it.
If you are aware that you have done something that has upset someone, would you not try to make it right with that person? I know I would. But nothing had been said until the "retreat".
In fact, there did not have to be a retreat...all there needed to be was a simple understanding, and removal of the picture. Simple! No?
So explain how that is running anyone off?
A breath of fresh air...maybe if you want to view things that offend..however, most here do not want to be offended.
That shoe will not be on my foot..as that is not something I would let go to this extent.

Lionhawk · 11-13-2009, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIIISH

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.

What's to forgive? You had someone who invaded others for no reason and when those people finally came out and revealed that because they were sick and tired of the multiplule faux pas as you call it, with a targeted intent, you are going to blame us for that? You are going to hold us responsible for someone's action of ill will? Is this what you are saying? I didn't ask him to leave. I also didn't ask him for his special treatment of ill will. Are you condoning his actions here by your statements? Obviously you are sending the message that it is alright to super impose your will over others as just a faux pas and now you want special treatment in return. Please. This wasn't just one instance for the record. All it did was create a bunch of unneeded chaos for everyone concerned. To save the trouble on the forgiveness issue, he can forgive himself. I'm not holding anything against him. But I don't have to enable this kind of thing. Use rape as an example. You are still imposing your will over others and is that alright to count that as a faux pas? Maybe rape is a little extreme but it is the same kind of thing that happened here along the lines of targeting certain people when they didn't even submit or provoke this kind of treatment. Sounds to me like someone needs to rethink about the shoes being on the right foot or not. Get real. Your awareness here as to what kind of issues this created could use some nurturing. Did you once put yourself in any of the shoes that was on the receiving end of this? You don't have to answer that. You already did in your post. And you think we are happy about the outcome? Where did that come from? There has been nothing glee full about it.

waitinginthewings · 11-13-2009, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FIIISH

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.Not to worry, I'm sure you will be able to find that breath of fresh air in the next forum he visits.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.Its not the first time this has happened & he left & came back to do it all over again

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on? By this do you mean that we should forgive him & let him continue to entertain you with his breath of fresh air?We are trying to move on, but you are the one to post without the facts..

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.

I think most of us here are aware of our responsibility to ourselves & the members of this forum, & try to govern ourselves accordingly. If we slip up, of course we will endure karma, just like pablo. But it depends of what the intent of what you are calling a faux pas? If one acts with ill will intent, then of course there is karma. End of story.

Lionhawk · 11-13-2009, 04:25 AM

Just for you Waitinginthewings

Pantyhoser

FIIISH · 11-13-2009, 05:13 AM

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If one acts with ill will intent, then of course there is karma.

I will acknowedge that I may not know the whole story.

I have not been on the receiving end of whatever actions caused this
strife and therefore do not have the emotions that go with it.

I am still left wondering if ill intent is the issue, or just lack of consideration
and manners.

I am disturbed by what seems be a trend of intolerance towards others
here and that is what is driving my comments on this.

Perhaps I expect too much from this forum and the people on it.
We are only human after all.

bushycat · 11-13-2009, 05:50 AM

There is a Bohdhisattva among us who is remarkably original and knows of light and points to it in startling ways. He doesn't even know his own power.
Shunning comes from fear and ignorance. Let's take care here and tread lightly.

Love Always,
Bushycat

BROOK · 11-13-2009, 06:07 AM

bushy, with all due respect...what does that have to do with posting demonic evil pictures and laughing about it?

How dos one tread lightly in the face of evil?

bushycat · 11-13-2009, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BROOK

bushy, with all due respect...what does that have to do with posting demonic evil pictures and laughing about it?

How dos one tread lightly in the face of evil?

I did not see any evil. I do not wear rose coloured glasses. Evil is a perception. And if evil is headed right toward one, stepping lightly might be wise: leap out of the way. In other words, no fear.
What I meant, though, was if we step lightly,don't step on others' toes here and take off blinders and dwell in compassion, taking the next step might be easier.
There is no reason for me to argue here. That was really all I wanted to add.

With great respect to all,
BC

BROOK · 11-13-2009, 06:24 AM

No Bushy...I respectfully disagree..this picture is evil

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...1&postcount=47

and it is offensive...to step away from it, and walk around it gives it power.
It should have the light shown on it..then it will have no more power

Lionhawk · 11-13-2009, 07:14 AM

I know how you feel BushyCat. I once felt the same way. But one day I did take the blinders off and found that I had let my awareness field to be govern by my experiences instead of my soul. Hopefully you will discover this someday. Maybe your friend who doesn't know his power can teach you. Good luck with jumping out of the way in the meantime.

Extra Blessings to you.

14 Chakras · 11-13-2009, 07:35 AM

Nobodies perfect!

11-13-2009, 01:58 PM

Wow. Been to bed for the night and come back to find this thread has just exploded. Great thread. One of the most interesting reads for some time.

Must drop off az couple of messages/
Pablo. Don't worry mate we are all in the same boat. As we walk from the stern to the bow the view changes and we develope an awareness of the concious instant. You have many talents, that is sure, now is the time to find the right channel for them. This will help you in every aspect of what to do and when to do it. There is nothing to forgive in you, like there is nothing to forgive in those who brought the threads attention to the pictures. Words written or spoken carry as much wieght.

Mudra,

I think someone said it already. But brush up on what means what on the playing field presented before us. Also in finding your inner love, do not loose sight of the other emotions that make up your whole. Love

SG1965 The wooley jumpers thing. LOL LOL man like the imagery. May be I was just repeating what was alread said.

I saw someone said something about rules and regulations??? Not sure who but that doesn't matter. Like my name sake I don't agree with any rules or regulations. They have no part to play in conscious conversations or life in that realm. The only time they have relavence is in the dimension of matter. Structure etc. The only thing that I would like to see less of, and this way weed out the fishes,

, is the prediction front. I have a problem with that aspect. How can anyone believe that their reality is the devining one. You may believe that things will manifest for oneself. But not for a global aspect. There are alot of freewill people who will disagree with the predictions. I will never make one, not even that the sun will shine tomorrow.

Channel info must not be placed upon another as it is asking the other person to follow like a sheep. Only when one asks for infomation directly can aniother person through channeling give their point of view. This as I said earlier is one view and never can be considered the be all and end all.

What a GEREAT thread. Boy its been a long time coming. But where are the others from sometime ago, Astralwalker, Jonas, etc. Come people I know you look in from time to time. Your love of the conciousness is needed to help each other.

I admit this is the only post that I get really concerned with because the rest of the cat daog GFL and others just seem people popping one off??????

11-13-2009, 02:02 PM

Sorry another thing, whilst I am on a role. The Ghandi thing. This is a great lesson of how defeat an oppressing will. Such as the Wills that be. They don't have real power, so I think we should be honest with ourselves and address that idea that it is the Wills That BE rather than the Powers that BE.

I think it was Sitting Bull who replied to the question "Who are you?" He replied I am. When asked his Name he said They call me Sitting Bull. Not that his name was sitting bull. The difference is slight but makes all the difference.

Anchor · 11-13-2009, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BROOK

No Bushy...I respectfully disagree..this picture is evil

and it is offensive...to step away from it, and walk around it gives it power.
It should have the light shown on it..then it will have no more power

(moderator hat off)

Brook,

You have claimed this many times in this thread, but it leaves me wanting for information to support the claim.

You appear to have done more than anyone including P4BLO to draw attention to the picture and give it "power", and every time anyone suggested not to do that you come back with - that it is "demonic" and has a "spell" on it.

I note that you have not explained in any significant or meaningful way what is "demonic" about that picture or what the "spell" was that was on it. Even if there was, I doubt that P4BLO knew about it. This site would be well served by such an explanation - that would be more on topic than most of the rest of this thread put together.

Just saying a picture is demonic does not make it so. It seems to me that this is where the word "demonizing" comes from.

A..

11-12-2009, 11:01 PM	#1
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Puts on moderator hat: If you have something to say about this dark subject - say it, here or in PM. I'm watching. I'm listening. I'm weary of trying to decode code talk, needle out nuances, and sift through a zillion grains of sand looking for that gold nugget of how people feel about what's going on here. It's every member's forum and this one may come down to a case of the majority. Putting on member hat: I am so sensitive to images, that in order to stay here, I had to find the code to turn off these jumping, swirling, and dancing avatars and emoticons in Firefox. Then when I found the vBulletin button to turn off avatars and get them out my field of vision while I read messages I did that too. I miss the beautiful ones, but there are a few I don't miss at all. It was worth it. I no longer have to hang a folded newspaper on the left side of my monitor when reading some threads. While I'm participating in this forum, I don't want to look at naked women, or even 7/8th naked women. I don't want to look at cats with devilish eyes, or wicked looking old crones. I don't want to look at deviant art or watch sexual performances where a woman sticks her bare foot in a man's mouth and pours an alcohol beverage down her leg. I would think those who are on THIS forum that want to look at deviant art are in the minority. Forums are interest specific. I'm not going to join a knitting or cooking forum either. So one way or another, voluntarily or otherwise - this deviant art ends now, or I will take my leave of this place.

11-13-2009, 01:06 AM	#3
P4BL0 Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 399	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Yes.. You are all right.. I have brought too much nonsense upon this forum. I shall retreat in peace. I let you all get back to the real discussions without any further disturbances. Don't worry.. i will not post any more pictures in Avalon. My apologies if I have frightened anyone. Sorry mate! I guess, I'm just haven't had the opportunity to evolve as a spiritual being yet. So I'm now going to do the real practice in my own time and space before posting any more silly comments. God bless you all! May you attain the highers truth. Because the truth will set us free. Pablo

11-13-2009, 01:25 AM	#4
TheObserver Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: back in Minnesota Posts: 500	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" I was simply answering Brook's question, so yeah knowledge SG1965, i was sharing my thoughts.

11-13-2009, 01:30 AM	#5
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Consider, darkness wins when you fight it. The act of fighting is all it takes for darkness to win. Whenever you fight something, you will create an equal and opposite reaction, and the cycle will continue indefinitely until one side finally decides it's time to turn the other cheek, and to continue doing so. Gandhi is the best modern example of this in action. Could India have gained independence by fighting? I do not believe so. Turning the other cheek is not a passive measure. For it results in the 'other side' having to examine their actions. You are no longer fighting back. No longer creating a reaction. Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror and can no longer create a picture of you being the cause of their own problems. They also have to deal with the karma, which will increase exponentially when the continue to act against one that turns the cheek, while u just keep shining your light like a sun. For me, it's not about choosing sides, it's about moving beyond the fight. In order to have a perpetrator, you must have a victim. We can now finally choose to move beyond the victim consciousness and take responsibility for our own energy fields and world and know truly we are co-creators. We are here to shine our light brightly like Suns, but not to fight the darkness, merely enlighten it. If people knew better, they would do better. Shine the light on the darkness and people will know better. We are here to Be Suns

11-13-2009, 02:10 AM	#8
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Not directed at anyone in particular. Did Gandhi fight the British? I suggest a watch of the movie Gandhi sometime, it is a great movie and will show how India gained independence. Gandhi's entire strategy was to turn the other cheek. Notice how you must stand your ground to turn the other cheek. If you run away, is this turning the other cheek? No it is not. You shine your light. Someone attacks you for it. Do you fight back? How about you stand your ground and keep shining your light instead! Thinking we must respond fist for fist, eye for eye, is the same kind of thinking that has had the world in wars for the past several thousand years. There has even been described a 700,000 year war that has been raging in space. Did either side turn the other cheek? Is there maybe a lesson to be learned there? Hmmmmmmmm I dunno know, whataya think? To get us where we want to go, a world that works for everyone, it's not about 'getting rid of them', it's about realizing that 'they' are not our problem. We are our problem! The problem lies within us. Fix our own consciousness, and we'll realize both the problems and solutions lie inside of us.

11-13-2009, 02:48 AM	#10
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Tibet - Yes a great example. The entire world knows that the little Tibet is abused by the big Chinese. In fact, China has a very strong desire to go in and wipe out the light bearers that are in Tibet and turn it into a home for Chinese rather than Tibetans. They do not respect their spiritual culture, and in reality see it as a great threat. Now if it was all about fighting, China would have done this a long time ago. China is almost infinitely superior in terms of military strength. The reality is, if the Tibetans practice open warfare against the Chinese, the Chinese will almost instantly wipe them out. So why hasn't China been able to do this? The reason China has not been able to do this is because Tibetan's have not fought their oppressors. Instead, the Tibetans have continued to do their best to shine their light, and when practical (when it will ideally get some news coverage), protest their oppressors. They have been seen by the entire world being abused and mistreated as they turn the other cheek. I suggest, this ALONE has saved their culture from being taken over by the Chinese. Tibet has gained massive support from millions of people all over the world. If China we're to openly declare war on them, the opposition in the heart's and minds of the people of the world would overwhelm them. The Karma would literally be too much for the Chinese to bear. Their government would almost definitely begin to fall apart at the seems. Free Will is the most powerful law on planet earth. Because the majority of spiritual people on this planet have seen Tibetan's peaceful nature, they have made a commitment in their hearts that Tibet will remain. Tibet stands to this day, and will be a bright light in leading a New Earth in the East in large part due to their strategy of turning the other cheek. May we learn by their example in the face of enormous opposition we face. We don't have the guns, we don't have the technology, but a pure heart is so much more powerful. A New Earth will be built on the Pure in heart.

11-13-2009, 04:25 AM	#15
Lionhawk Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sol, Terra 3, Florida, USA Posts: 329	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Just for you Waitinginthewings Pantyhoser

11-13-2009, 05:50 AM	#17
bushycat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 442	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" There is a Bohdhisattva among us who is remarkably original and knows of light and points to it in startling ways. He doesn't even know his own power. Shunning comes from fear and ignorance. Let's take care here and tread lightly. Love Always, Bushycat

11-13-2009, 06:07 AM	#18
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" bushy, with all due respect...what does that have to do with posting demonic evil pictures and laughing about it? How dos one tread lightly in the face of evil?

11-13-2009, 06:24 AM	#20
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" No Bushy...I respectfully disagree..this picture is evil http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...1&postcount=47 and it is offensive...to step away from it, and walk around it gives it power. It should have the light shown on it..then it will have no more power

11-13-2009, 07:14 AM	#21
Lionhawk Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sol, Terra 3, Florida, USA Posts: 329	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" I know how you feel BushyCat. I once felt the same way. But one day I did take the blinders off and found that I had let my awareness field to be govern by my experiences instead of my soul. Hopefully you will discover this someday. Maybe your friend who doesn't know his power can teach you. Good luck with jumping out of the way in the meantime. Extra Blessings to you.

11-13-2009, 07:35 AM	#22
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Nobodies perfect! Last edited by 14 Chakras; 11-13-2009 at 07:45 PM. Reason: oops was silly I don't like.

11-13-2009, 01:58 PM	#23
lawlessline Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Wow. Been to bed for the night and come back to find this thread has just exploded. Great thread. One of the most interesting reads for some time. Must drop off az couple of messages/ Pablo. Don't worry mate we are all in the same boat. As we walk from the stern to the bow the view changes and we develope an awareness of the concious instant. You have many talents, that is sure, now is the time to find the right channel for them. This will help you in every aspect of what to do and when to do it. There is nothing to forgive in you, like there is nothing to forgive in those who brought the threads attention to the pictures. Words written or spoken carry as much wieght. Mudra, I think someone said it already. But brush up on what means what on the playing field presented before us. Also in finding your inner love, do not loose sight of the other emotions that make up your whole. Love SG1965 The wooley jumpers thing. LOL LOL man like the imagery. May be I was just repeating what was alread said. I saw someone said something about rules and regulations??? Not sure who but that doesn't matter. Like my name sake I don't agree with any rules or regulations. They have no part to play in conscious conversations or life in that realm. The only time they have relavence is in the dimension of matter. Structure etc. The only thing that I would like to see less of, and this way weed out the fishes,, is the prediction front. I have a problem with that aspect. How can anyone believe that their reality is the devining one. You may believe that things will manifest for oneself. But not for a global aspect. There are alot of freewill people who will disagree with the predictions. I will never make one, not even that the sun will shine tomorrow. Channel info must not be placed upon another as it is asking the other person to follow like a sheep. Only when one asks for infomation directly can aniother person through channeling give their point of view. This as I said earlier is one view and never can be considered the be all and end all. What a GEREAT thread. Boy its been a long time coming. But where are the others from sometime ago, Astralwalker, Jonas, etc. Come people I know you look in from time to time. Your love of the conciousness is needed to help each other. I admit this is the only post that I get really concerned with because the rest of the cat daog GFL and others just seem people popping one off??????

11-13-2009, 02:02 PM	#24
lawlessline Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes" Sorry another thing, whilst I am on a role. The Ghandi thing. This is a great lesson of how defeat an oppressing will. Such as the Wills that be. They don't have real power, so I think we should be honest with ourselves and address that idea that it is the Wills That BE rather than the Powers that BE. I think it was Sitting Bull who replied to the question "Who are you?" He replied I am. When asked his Name he said They call me Sitting Bull. Not that his name was sitting bull. The difference is slight but makes all the difference.