Where Are We on 9-11 Truth?

micjer · 12-01-2009, 11:11 PM

Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

micjer · 12-01-2009, 11:13 PM

Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html

March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.

mntruthseeker · 12-01-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by micjer

Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html

March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.

Unfortunately .................that is another LIE and yes a distraction.

wow they had it all figured out. Just another day for them.......

When I heard Judy speak she made a remark about how the dust was not burning the firemens boots but yet there was a big to do over getting the dog some type of slipper.

micjer · 12-02-2009, 12:40 AM

You know when I stop and think about it , 7.5 tons is not very much. One truck can carry 40 ton. So maybe this did come from the basement or something. There were a couple of steel beams in the rubble at the bottom. It was the top of the buildings that got disintegrated.

I still think the pentagon was hit with a cruise missile.

manticore · 12-02-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by micjer

Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

That's right micjer, supposedly with the steel beams, right? Shipping steel to China was a great cover so that people could say "See? They're shipping the steel to China." Did you see any steel at all, aside from the small beams that remained erected? Almost like the CGI image of the plane blip that "crashed" on the Pentagon. There wasn't even a picture on the cover pages, but the headlines were in BOLD letters. Therefore, the average person would say "See, finally the published that picture, so truthers, shut up, there's the plane."

Mel

orthodoxymoron · 12-02-2009, 06:09 AM

Here is a video clip which has puzzled me for more than a year. Watch the first few seconds very carefully...and notice a nebulous something which almost swims toward the towers. You may have to watch several times to see what I mean. What the hell is this? Is it a UFO? There are a number of videos with seeming UFO activity. A Lt. Colonel on the Daniel Ott show indicated that 9/11 was alien connected. The YouTube clip was removed...last time I checked. I found the segment...but as you can see below...it still doesn't work. The rest of the segments work fine. This one hasn't worked for months. Why? The rest of the interview was very interesting. Did ET phone Rome...and call 911? Was 9/11 an Inside D.U.M.B. Job? Did several factions and countries unite to pull this off? What was the energy source for the pulverization? A space weapon? John Lear thought so in the Camelot interview. Remember the space photo from directly above Manhatten while the towers burned? Could a UFO weapon have been used? What about micro-nukes? At the very least...we need a new and exhaustive investigation of 9/11 with the best academics in the world presiding over say a $50 million budget to REALLY get to the bottom and top of this madness.

swordsmith · 12-02-2009, 09:59 AM

Dr Judy Wood has had people who have stood beside her for some time, one from this country is Andrew Johnson. There are some posts from him regarding their work together on this forum .( from the pre subscription days when a wider response was possible)

I applaud Andrew also for his excellent site," check the evidence ", and his long standing dedication to the exposure of the chemtrail operation.

So many heros out there, many of them low profile and not at all compensated financially for their extreme dedication and the danger they may put themselves in.

Andrew lectures occasionally in the UK and has some excellent early DVD presentations from Judy Wood. It's good people are finally getting to the truth of the truth. He was one of the first to allow me to see Deagle for who he is in regard to spreading disinfo in the so called truth movement .

Everyone has an agenda . I like Judy's.
I bet initially "they" thought she wouldn't be taken seriously as a woman, and it may have kept her alive, that and using terminology like" fuzzy blobs".
What a woman!

Seashore · 12-04-2009, 05:08 PM

I need some help.

I haven't researched 9-11 in a long time. And I know I will get all tangled up if I try to click on links to try to bring myself up-to-date.

Could somebody summarize for me:

How many competing theories do we have within the truth movement at this point in time?
Who the major advocates are for each theory.
Is it not possible that more than one technology could have been used; thus, more than one theory could be correct at the same time?
Is it absolutely necessary for the truth movement to solve the who-done-it accurately in order to force the controllers of the official story to fess up?

micjer · 12-04-2009, 06:24 PM

To start I would say that there was 3 theories.

The first is the "official story that the planes weakened the structure and caused it to collapse. Most "normal" people like to believe this one.

Second is it was brought down by the use of thermite in a controlled demolition. This is what Alex Jones, CBC the passionate eye, and many others theorize.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...identified.htm

And the third is a scalar star wars weapon. That is Dr Wood as I've linked above.

Perhaps it is a combination of both. I agree does it change anything. We are aware of the motive behind the plot. How they did it may be irrelevant.

Seashore · 12-04-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by micjer

To start I would say that there was 3 theories.

The first is the "official story that the planes weakened the structure and caused it to collapse. Most "normal" people like to believe this one.

Second is it was brought down by the use of thermite in a controlled demolition. This is what Alex Jones, CBC the passionate eye, and many others theorize.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...identified.htm

And the third is a scalar star wars weapon. That is Dr Wood as I've linked above.

Perhaps it is a combination of both. I agree does it change anything. We are aware of the motive behind the plot. How they did it may be irrelevant.

micjer,

Thank you thank you thank you!!

I love it when people answer the question that was asked rather than some other question!

What is "CBC the passionate eye"?

Re. the use of thermite in a controlled demolition: isn't there an argument about thermite vs. nuclear weapon?

micjer · 12-04-2009, 06:50 PM

Seashore · 12-04-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by micjer

YouTube- 911 conspiracy files the third tower

Thanks!

I like that video.

So the "Passionate Eye" is a regular feature of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) News?

CBC News is mainstream - this would mean that the mainstream is challenging the official story?

micjer · 12-04-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Seashore

Thanks!

I like that video.

So the "Passionate Eye" is a regular feature of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) News?

CBC News is mainstream - this would mean that the mainstream is challenging the official story?

CBC is not owned by the corporations. It is publicly owned, so they are not as censored.

Btw if you didn't know, the black man in the documentary , Barry Jennings was found dead from mysterious circumstances.

http://www.groundreport.com/US/Barry...s-Dies/2869565

Seashore · 12-04-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by micjer

Btw if you didn't know, the black man in the documentary , Barry Jennings was found dead from mysterious circumstances.

http://www.groundreport.com/US/Barry...s-Dies/2869565

I think I remember this.

He was a WTC7 survivor. A key witness. Jason Bermas and Dylan Avery interviewed him. On Infowars.com it was discussed that when he died, I believe it was Dylan who was very shaken because they had made a public figure out of a key 9-11 witness.

swordsmith · 12-04-2009, 06:51 PM

I think if it was done with scalar weapons it is HIGHLY relevant in terms of supressed " free energy " technology. And what a demo!
Also some people just prefer the truth.
It's disturbing to me when people lie within a so called truth movement. Maybe some just don't know the difference.

micjer · 12-04-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by swordsmith

I think if it was done with scalar weapons it is HIGHLY relevant in terms of supressed " free energy " technology. And what a demo!
Also some people just prefer the truth.
It's disturbing to me when people lie within a so called truth movement. Maybe some just don't know the difference.

Great point. I am leaning towards the scalar weapon also. Her work is very convincing. And yes, are there people within the truth movement that are trying to lead us down the wrong rabbit hole?

That is disturbing.

Seashore · 12-04-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by swordsmith

It's disturbing to me when people lie within a so called truth movement. Maybe some just don't know the difference.

Don't know the difference between a lie and the truth?

Are we compelled to conclude that people are lying? Maybe they just have different perspectives?

orthodoxymoron · 12-04-2009, 11:23 PM

Building 7 really seems to be the smoking gun. If I'm not mistaken...the 9/11 Commission Report barely mentioned it. My question is 'how can the full truth be properly revealed so the legitimate U.S. Government is not destroyed'. The bad-guys and good-guys may be all mixed together...sort of like the wheat and tares that Jesus talked about. If there was military or government involvement...and it seems that there was some...I believe it was coerced or forced...with dire threats and blackmailings, etc. I tend to think this involved several nations (including an alien nation?) and organizations...and may go very deep (DUMB's?) and very high (Dark Side of the Moon?). The full truth may be very complex and very upsetting. A coverup may have been necessary to prevent the collapse of the government and total anarchy. I think that the people in the military, intel, and government who really know the details of what happened...are much more upset about what happened than even the truthers. I'm really not looking forward to 'Disclosure'.

Tangentially...has anyone read '102 Minutes'. It's a very good book by two NY Times reporters (I think) which pieces together the personal experiences of people who were inside the towers on 9/11. It places you inside the towers...during the whole mess. It also goes into details of the design and construction of the WTC.

I found an interesting 9/11 website where you click on the various buildings and locations to view videos of those locations on 9/11. http://www.history.com/content/9-11/102-minutes#/home/

Seashore · 12-04-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I think that the people in the military, intel, and government who really know the details of what happened...are much more upset...

Don't you think "afraid" would be a better word than "upset"?

EYES WIDE OPEN · 12-08-2009, 03:58 PM

The scarla weaponary link is tenuous at best. Focusing on that kind of evidence will not move 9/11 truth forward or bring justice to the 9/11 families. Instead, study the hard FACTS like nano-thermite and so on.

Seashore · 12-08-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

The scarla weaponary link is tenuous at best. Focusing on that kind of evidence will not move 9/11 truth forward or bring justice to the 9/11 families. Instead, study the hard FACTS like nano-thermite and so on.

Is there an argument within the truth movement about thermite vs. a nuclear weapon? Is nano-thermite a weak version of a nuclear weapon?

micjer · 12-08-2009, 05:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&h...YsLnIFEr4&NR=1

Whose is to say it wasn't a combination of many weapons. Kinda creates a double jeopardy situation. There is definately evidence to support both theories. You can see the bombs detonating as the building is collapsing, and molten steel was found weeks later supporting the thermite theory....But there is also a lack of material in the rubble supporting the fact that much of it was dematerialized. Does it have to be one or the other. I for one don't think so.

All I know for sure is that the idea that the two planes caused the buildings to collapse is rediculous and would have happened immediately upon impact, not from jet fuel melting the steel beams. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to do this, and certainly office furniture is not going to increase the intensity enough to do it either.

EYES WIDE OPEN · 12-08-2009, 05:53 PM

There are 3 peer-reviewed papers on un-reacted nano thermite (which is only made in 2 u.s. labs) being found in WTC dust. The fact that highly advanced explosives have been found has not been successfully debunked or disputed. There is hard science and practical research to back up these findings. There is zero science behind the scalar theory. Only conjecture and interpretive observations. Nano-thermite is a chemical reaction, not nuclear.

Seashore · 12-08-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

Nano-thermite is a chemical reaction, not nuclear.

Oh!!

Thanks.

EYES WIDE OPEN · 12-08-2009, 06:10 PM

Here is the peer-reviewed paper on nano-thermite:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Also please read the first 2 parts of an amazing artcle about how explosives could have been planted in the towers and the connections between the tennents of the WTC buildings and gov contractors for explosives and WTC security....

PT. 1 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...90713033854249

PT. 2 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...90813150853871

12-01-2009, 11:11 PM	#1
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

12-01-2009, 11:13 PM	#2
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.

12-02-2009, 12:40 AM	#4
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? You know when I stop and think about it , 7.5 tons is not very much. One truck can carry 40 ton. So maybe this did come from the basement or something. There were a couple of steel beams in the rubble at the bottom. It was the top of the buildings that got disintegrated. I still think the pentagon was hit with a cruise missile.

12-02-2009, 06:09 AM	#6
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? Here is a video clip which has puzzled me for more than a year. Watch the first few seconds very carefully...and notice a nebulous something which almost swims toward the towers. You may have to watch several times to see what I mean. What the hell is this? Is it a UFO? There are a number of videos with seeming UFO activity. A Lt. Colonel on the Daniel Ott show indicated that 9/11 was alien connected. The YouTube clip was removed...last time I checked. I found the segment...but as you can see below...it still doesn't work. The rest of the segments work fine. This one hasn't worked for months. Why? The rest of the interview was very interesting. Did ET phone Rome...and call 911? Was 9/11 an Inside D.U.M.B. Job? Did several factions and countries unite to pull this off? What was the energy source for the pulverization? A space weapon? John Lear thought so in the Camelot interview. Remember the space photo from directly above Manhatten while the towers burned? Could a UFO weapon have been used? What about micro-nukes? At the very least...we need a new and exhaustive investigation of 9/11 with the best academics in the world presiding over say a $50 million budget to REALLY get to the bottom and top of this madness. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 12-02-2009 at 06:50 AM.

12-02-2009, 09:59 AM	#7
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? Dr Judy Wood has had people who have stood beside her for some time, one from this country is Andrew Johnson. There are some posts from him regarding their work together on this forum .( from the pre subscription days when a wider response was possible) I applaud Andrew also for his excellent site," check the evidence ", and his long standing dedication to the exposure of the chemtrail operation. So many heros out there, many of them low profile and not at all compensated financially for their extreme dedication and the danger they may put themselves in. Andrew lectures occasionally in the UK and has some excellent early DVD presentations from Judy Wood. It's good people are finally getting to the truth of the truth. He was one of the first to allow me to see Deagle for who he is in regard to spreading disinfo in the so called truth movement . Everyone has an agenda . I like Judy's. I bet initially "they" thought she wouldn't be taken seriously as a woman, and it may have kept her alive, that and using terminology like" fuzzy blobs". What a woman!

12-04-2009, 05:08 PM	#8
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? I need some help. I haven't researched 9-11 in a long time. And I know I will get all tangled up if I try to click on links to try to bring myself up-to-date. Could somebody summarize for me: How many competing theories do we have within the truth movement at this point in time? Who the major advocates are for each theory. Is it not possible that more than one technology could have been used; thus, more than one theory could be correct at the same time? Is it absolutely necessary for the truth movement to solve the who-done-it accurately in order to force the controllers of the official story to fess up? Last edited by Seashore; 12-04-2009 at 05:31 PM. Reason: Correct typo

12-04-2009, 06:24 PM	#9
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? To start I would say that there was 3 theories. The first is the "official story that the planes weakened the structure and caused it to collapse. Most "normal" people like to believe this one. Second is it was brought down by the use of thermite in a controlled demolition. This is what Alex Jones, CBC the passionate eye, and many others theorize. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...identified.htm And the third is a scalar star wars weapon. That is Dr Wood as I've linked above. Perhaps it is a combination of both. I agree does it change anything. We are aware of the motive behind the plot. How they did it may be irrelevant.

12-04-2009, 06:50 PM	#11
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth?

12-04-2009, 06:51 PM	#15
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? I think if it was done with scalar weapons it is HIGHLY relevant in terms of supressed " free energy " technology. And what a demo! Also some people just prefer the truth. It's disturbing to me when people lie within a so called truth movement. Maybe some just don't know the difference.

12-04-2009, 11:23 PM	#18
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? Building 7 really seems to be the smoking gun. If I'm not mistaken...the 9/11 Commission Report barely mentioned it. My question is 'how can the full truth be properly revealed so the legitimate U.S. Government is not destroyed'. The bad-guys and good-guys may be all mixed together...sort of like the wheat and tares that Jesus talked about. If there was military or government involvement...and it seems that there was some...I believe it was coerced or forced...with dire threats and blackmailings, etc. I tend to think this involved several nations (including an alien nation?) and organizations...and may go very deep (DUMB's?) and very high (Dark Side of the Moon?). The full truth may be very complex and very upsetting. A coverup may have been necessary to prevent the collapse of the government and total anarchy. I think that the people in the military, intel, and government who really know the details of what happened...are much more upset about what happened than even the truthers. I'm really not looking forward to 'Disclosure'. Tangentially...has anyone read '102 Minutes'. It's a very good book by two NY Times reporters (I think) which pieces together the personal experiences of people who were inside the towers on 9/11. It places you inside the towers...during the whole mess. It also goes into details of the design and construction of the WTC. I found an interesting 9/11 website where you click on the various buildings and locations to view videos of those locations on 9/11. http://www.history.com/content/9-11/102-minutes#/home/ Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 12-04-2009 at 11:35 PM.

12-08-2009, 03:58 PM	#20
EYES WIDE OPEN Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hastings, UK Posts: 424	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? The scarla weaponary link is tenuous at best. Focusing on that kind of evidence will not move 9/11 truth forward or bring justice to the 9/11 families. Instead, study the hard FACTS like nano-thermite and so on.

12-08-2009, 05:33 PM	#22
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&h...YsLnIFEr4&NR=1 Whose is to say it wasn't a combination of many weapons. Kinda creates a double jeopardy situation. There is definately evidence to support both theories. You can see the bombs detonating as the building is collapsing, and molten steel was found weeks later supporting the thermite theory....But there is also a lack of material in the rubble supporting the fact that much of it was dematerialized. Does it have to be one or the other. I for one don't think so. All I know for sure is that the idea that the two planes caused the buildings to collapse is rediculous and would have happened immediately upon impact, not from jet fuel melting the steel beams. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to do this, and certainly office furniture is not going to increase the intensity enough to do it either. Last edited by micjer; 12-08-2009 at 05:44 PM.

12-08-2009, 05:53 PM	#23
EYES WIDE OPEN Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hastings, UK Posts: 424	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? There are 3 peer-reviewed papers on un-reacted nano thermite (which is only made in 2 u.s. labs) being found in WTC dust. The fact that highly advanced explosives have been found has not been successfully debunked or disputed. There is hard science and practical research to back up these findings. There is zero science behind the scalar theory. Only conjecture and interpretive observations. Nano-thermite is a chemical reaction, not nuclear.

12-08-2009, 06:10 PM	#25
EYES WIDE OPEN Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hastings, UK Posts: 424	Re: Where Are We on 9-11 Truth? Here is the peer-reviewed paper on nano-thermite: http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...001/7TOCPJ.SGM Also please read the first 2 parts of an amazing artcle about how explosives could have been planted in the towers and the connections between the tennents of the WTC buildings and gov contractors for explosives and WTC security.... PT. 1 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...90713033854249 PT. 2 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...90813150853871