Questions for the 'Healers'

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Scarab, this seems to be a topic of great interest to you. Do you have some personal experiences with healers?

Let me preface what follows by saying I am not a healer in the sence that you are refering to, and I have little experience with healers.

From what I have gathered from people on these kinda boards though, the problem you are having is a result of this statement:



I don't think any healers here would ever tell anyone in need of healing that they can "put their lives in [my] hands." This red herring is why i believe your premise to be basically invalid, no one is saying that here, though if they were, I would agree with you on some levels.

They are simply trying to comfort as far as I can tell. I think u seem to think that they are claiming they can intstantly heal a broken leg or something like that. I see the healing thing in all aspects the way Anchor explained (to varying degrees) which is the sence that I am a healer as I do try to do what I can to comfort others when I see that they are hurting.




You must be able to understand this?

It's more emotional than physical, although from what I understand (and of course I could be wrong) the physical will often follow the emotional.

Comforting the sick and healing the sick are two different things. If certain members here offered to 'comfort' those who aren't well, that would be honest.

BUT. Some people here are making healing claims which are dubious.

Others have set up shop and are charging money to 'heal' the sick. It's a cruel fraud and I think it needs to end.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Scarab

Comforting the sick and healing the sick are two different things. If certain members here offered to 'comfort' those who aren't well, that would be honest.

BUT. Some people here are making healing claims which are dubious.

Others have set up shop and are charging money to 'heal' the sick. It's a cruel fraud and I think it needs to end.

Call it hypothetical: Comfort has a unique energy signature.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Scarab

... set up shop and are charging money to 'heal' the sick. It's a cruel fraud and I think it needs to end.

Now this is a principle I do agree with - but I am not accusing anyone here.

When the line crosses between the from "unconditional" to "conditional" (ie: exchange of money) then the waters get muddied.

Of course it is possible, but it would require perfect integrity on the part of the professional healer.

On another point in reading this thread, it has been pointed out that healing takes place on many levels of "being".

Why disease and unhealthiness?

Ultimately the life experiencing the distortions toward disease and less than perfect health is undergoing those experiences for a reason, maybe pre-incarnational choices; or distortions toward diseases and unhealthiness can be reactions from actions taken by an entity during its incarnational experience - "instant karma".

In some cases it is believed that karma can take more than one lifetime to resolve, and this may also condition the path that the entity is taking through the current incarnation with respect to health. (Personally I think that is less likely in the case of awakening individuals at this point in time -because past life karma is mostly resolved).

My understanding is that the basic key to resolving this "Karma" (in all cases) is forgiveness. I have written about this before on this forum - I have used the relevant law of one quotes to support my argument - but I think it holds even without that.

When healing occurs it is for one reason alone - the healed entity is accepting a new state of beingness. The role of the healer is simply to aid and assist in bringing about the changes necessary for that new state to be made manifest in our incarnational matrix of reality.

Doing that professionally with any consistent degree of effectiveness would be extraordinarily complex because in a world tainted by money power lies greed and commercialism it is very easy to fall from a perfect state of unconditional love and acceptance necessary to aid the entity to be healed.

That is why in my opinion, most healers pick thier targets. There is nothing wrong in that. It is the normal operating of the law of attraction. You simply cannot force the issue.

Originally Posted by Scarab

How are you doing on the kids with cancer? Any update yet?

You may offer the opportunity for healers to focuss their attention on a given set of sick children or people on a healing list - as in your example above - but hectoring them for results is not fair and I dont think it is really going to work.

I also want to add one final point: If you want to, you can heal yourself.

The actual mechanics of healing: words, touch etc all irrelevant. The core thing that is required from which all the rest stems is focussed intent.

When one does such a thing, one is creating. It is an awesome responsibility and is never without consequence.

A..

[371]

Originally Posted by Anchor

.Why disease and unhealthiness?

Why life and death? Light and darkness?

Can you have one without the other?

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by 371

Why life and death? Light and darkness?

Can you have one without the other?

A whole new subject - probably deserves a thread on its own.

I am about to break for the holidays - if you want to start a new thread on that, I might be able to give it a go over the break. Its a subject that is complex and simple at the same time it seems - depending on how you look at it at the time

A..

[371]

Ok, fair enough

[mudra]

We are not here to create miracles but rather to let them happen through us.
We are all carriers of Love . Being compassionate and caring for others is our sacred heart's gift .
Love is the healer. Love has no bounderies.

Love from me
mudra

[Scarab]

You may offer the opportunity for healers to focuss there attention on a given set of sick children or people on a healing list - as in your example above - but hectoring them for results is not fair and I dont think it is really going to work.

Why would they let ego get in the way of helping a sick child?

This has been an opportunity for the 'healers' here to collectively or individually step up and show the rest of the world what they can do. Most are curiously silent.

[morganlilith]

Originally Posted by Anchor

When healing occurs it is for one reason alone - the healed entity is accepting a new state of beingness. The role of the healer is simply to aid and assist in bringing about the changes necessary for that new state to be made manifest in our incarnational matrix of reality.

Doing that professionally with any consistent degree of effectiveness would be extraordinarily complex because in a world tainted by money power lies greed and commercialism it is very easy to fall from a perfect state of unconditional love and acceptance necessary to aid the entity to be healed.

i am a professionally trained bodyworker. i have at least 3000 hours of formal training in massage therapy, anatomy, physiology, and a host of various energy therapies. i have worked on thousands of clients over the course of two decades. i don't call myself a 'healer'. i do have a good understanding of how the physical body works. i also have an understanding of how energy seems to work in relation to the human body/mind/spirit. i know techniques for working with them...some that i learned in formal training and some that i have figured out while working with clients.

in my experience, healers don't heal. healers participate in a healing process using their skills, knowledge and/or gifts. some of my clients have had profound results, but they were the client's results, not mine. the techniques i use are intended to help the client find a place of dynamic equilibrium in their body/mind/spirit from which they can heal. i may help them find and release blocked energy. i may manually manipulate soft tissue into a more balanced state. either of these things may release emotion. or not. depends on the client and the issues they bring into their state of dis - ease. i do not bring expectations into any interaction with a client. i do what i know how to do. it is up to the client to accept the process or not. (and just because they come to me and are willing to pay me does not mean they are necessarily ready to let go of whatever the issue is. could be they still have things to learn from the issue, but desire that the intensity be eased a bit along the way.) sometimes a person needs a long process to get from where they are to where they want to be, rather than a miracle cure in one session. sometimes saving someone's life isn't part of the process....a client who dies is not necessarily a failure of the healing process.

i DO receive compensation for the work i do. generally money, as that is the most commonly accepted form of exchange in our society. i am as worthy of making a living to support myself and my family as anyone else working an honest trade. i have also been willing to accept a fair trade when it felt appropriate. and i do give my work to the universe in cases where that seems appropriate as well. what i do has value, and deserves compensation. paying it forward is valid compensation, but until the landlord will accept bodywork in trade for rent (or offer it as a pay it forward sort of thing), i do need some cash coming in as well.

[Scarab]

@morganlilith, connecting with sauce

I am not directing these questions toward people who give physical treatments outside normal AMA guidelines.

I am addressing the individuals who say that they can heal a stranger from a great distance with (or without depending on who you ask) a first name, basic location and permission from the patient using only the power of thought or love.

[morganlilith]

Originally Posted by Scarab

@morganlilith, connecting with sauce

I am not directing these questions toward people who give physical treatments outside normal AMA guidelines.

I am addressing the individuals who say that they can heal a stranger from a great distance with (or without depending on who you ask) a first name, basic location and permission from the patient using only the power of thought or love.

i DO do healing work over a distance. and all the things i said about my work apply to distance work as well as in person work.

much of the distance work i do is on a pay it forward basis. but i have also worked as part of an online venue where people do schedule appointments for distance work, and pay for it.

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by morganlilith

i DO do healing work over a distance. and all the things i said about my work apply to distance work as well as in person work.

much of the distance work i do is on a pay it forward basis. but i have also worked as part of an online venue where people do schedule appointments for distance work, and pay for it.

I misunderstood. Thank you.

[morganlilith]

Originally Posted by Scarab

I misunderstood. Thank you.

i guess i am still confused about what you are trying to get at.

is it the distance issue you're having a difficult time with?

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by morganlilith

i guess i am still confused about what you are trying to get at.

I'm sorry. I thought I was clear.

Healing doesn't work this way (IMO).

[morganlilith]

Originally Posted by Scarab

I'm sorry. I thought I was clear.

Healing doesn't work this way (IMO).

you are welcome to your opinion as i am welcome to mine.

i have received feedback that people have had positive results when i have done distance healing sessions for them. as well, i have felt positive results when people have done distance work for me.

it's a matter of how energy works. a lot of people choose to not believe that accupuncture works. even though there is medical evidence that it does. it's just outside our dominant paradigm.

if i didn't have experience with it, i might not believe it would work either.

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by morganlilith

it's a matter of how energy works.

Please explain. I'm all ears.

[morganlilith]

Originally Posted by Scarab

Please explain. I'm all ears.

see, there's your issue.

i don't believe that i can explain it in a way that you will accept.
it's an experiential thing, and it's subtle. if you are convinced that it's not going to work, or if you don't know what to pay attention for, you will likely not feel it.

if you are sincerely interested in learning about energy medicine, i would recommend the book 'vibraional medicine' by gerber. written by a dr who set out to debunk all this energy gobbledegook via 'real science' and ended up convincing himself it was real instead. it's probably been out at least 20 years but i think it is still relevant. and i would assume it's still available. any of the works of dr deepak chopra, also. 'quantum healing' being a good place for doubters to start.

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by morganlilith

i don't believe that i can explain it in a way that you will accept.

You're right. Seeing is believing.

[Frank Samuel]

The solfeggio frequencies and binaural frequencies from my own experience are real and quite effective . A few years back I was diagnosed with black lungs as in cancer of the lungs , damaged heart and extreme bone decay mainly in my left hip. My last x-ray that I took after 3 years of solfeggio and binaural frequencies therapy indicated that my lungs had cleared completely , my left hip show minor bone decay. The x-ray technician after I explain the reason why I was having the x-ray done just shook her head in disbelief as to say that I was pulling her leg for all the symptoms I mention to her where no longer visible in the x-ray. Before I barely could sleep because I could not breath, now I sleep like a baby. These frequencies are free and can be found posted all over the internet. It is my hope that it can help you also. Remember that our bodies can heal itself if we know how to activate the correct frequencies . Everything in the universe emits a frequency, even the food we eat. Modern medicine is a business , many people have turn to the shaman of the amazons to find cures and natural medicines. I believe the future of medicine will be 100% more effective and people will live to be about 150 yrs. . Will this be a good thing for the ptb ? Lets see if I retire at 62 yrs. old and I collect social security for 100 yrs. this can become a real problem. Thus the reason why just about every single remedy we take has secondary unpleasant effects . Pharmaceuticals are a strong healthy business. PR is a paradise for a lot of pharmaceuticals , and fertilizer companies like mosanto.

[mntruthseeker]

GFY Frank

Once when I was up and moving around more after laying in bed for so long my legs and muscels were so weak The pain was gone but I had alot of work to do and I was still on oxygen and I was still having speractic chest pains

I was listening to the Soffegio tunes with my headset on and I nearly threw them across the room I got so scare and here is why

It felt like the burning heat of two large hands reached into my chest and spread my chest open and my heart started beating like crazy. I told myself to calm down and just relax, (at least I think it was me saying that )

Afterwards I no longer had the chest pains that I had been experiencing for such a long long time. I am still estactic over this. To me it was truly a miracle.

I never heard of anything like this happening to anyone else that I have ever knew until you today

Thanks for sharing your story.

[371]

There is a lot to be said for "the placebo effect"...

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by 371

There is a lot to be said for "the placebo effect"...

Or the power of suggestion.

Both are a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

A placebo, whilst being scientifically "null" is not in the large scheme of things. Science overlooks the conciousness angle, and the power of intent.

When a Doctor prescribes something that he knows to be a placebo, he is INTENDING to heal his patient - and often that is all that is required.

A..

[morganlilith]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Or the power of suggestion.

Both are a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

A placebo, whilst being scientifically "null" is not in the large scheme of things. Science overlooks the conciousness angle, and the power of intent.

When a Doctor prescribes something that he knows to be a placebo, he is INTENDING to heal his patient - and often that is all that is required.

A..

yes. energy follows intent. or focus, as it's often said around these parts.

if the intent of the dr/practitioner and the belief of the patient/client allowed for healing to happen, healing happened. and healing IS the desired result, regardless of the methods used to get there. at least IMO.

yet people talk about the placebo effect as if it was a bad thing, or somehow invalidates the fact that healing occured.

[371]

Originally Posted by morganlilith

yet people talk about the placebo effect as if it was a bad thing, or somehow invalidates the fact that healing occured.

Not a bad thing at all. Just calling a spade a spade.

[Shairia]

The Placebo Effect is interesting because even MDs rely on it quite frequently.