The ego what is it? How to transcend?

[mudra]

The term 'ego' has various meanings in your language. Nevertheless, the dysfunctional problems associated with ego might best be explained as the result of surrogate identities displacing the soul's true self."

From " Love without end " by Glenda Green

Love Always
mudra

[14 Chakras]

I Am you and you are me, and together we are More.

But you are you, and I Am me, and we are each uniquely I AM.

Why is there suffering? Why is there evil? Why is there darkness?

If we are not co-creators, then we are victims. We did not create our situation, God did. God put us here. God is mean. Right? Or is that the case?

I suggest the infinite creates a platform for evolution of it's Sons and Daughters. The infinite must create from within itSelf, since it is all there IS.

Sons and Daughters of the infinite are truly individualization's of the infinite. However, they start out their evolution with very limited sense of identities.

The process of evolution is that Co-Creators / Sons and Daughters of God / Ye are Gods as Jesus said, grow in Self awareness, grow in Oneness with All that IS until they finally clearly see that they are the creator within it's creation and continue to grow in consciousness from there forevermore into eternity, into the eternal Now.

Creation is not meant to experience high degrees of suffering, it is not necessary and the infinite did not create this way.

What the infinite did create is a platform for the evolution of souls ~ a platform, with cosmic law that will help guide evolution upwards.

What God did not create is an exact script of how creation will evolve upwards. That is up to the free will of the co-creators within creation itSelf.

Did God decide there would be fallen worlds and suffering? Did God put us here to suffer?

I suggest that the fall in the garden of Eden is an allegory for our own individual temptation to try out duality, to try out the ego consciousness and give it a go. These choices were made by our own free will. We did not have to come experience this, but we made decisions that led us here.

We've been unconsciously creating our own suffering ever since! Where does evil come from? Our own co-creations coming from our false, separate, sense of identities. We are creating unconsciously and the world is reflecting back to us our own illusions.

Here we are, finally now ready to come back into the evolution of More, to move back into the River of Life, beyond duality, where our eye is single rather than double.

To move beyond the human ego does not mean to disapear into a blob of nothingness. I suggest it is fair to say Eckhart Tolle has moved beyond the human ego to a very large degree and is coming from presence, his own I AM presence. Is Eckhart Tolle the fullness of the creator? Is he all knowing and all creating?

No of course not. When we move beyond the human ego, and remember who we really are as One with the infinite and All Life, we don't disappear, we just become More. This is the purpose of creation.

However, we are what we affirm we are. Affirm we are no good seperate sinners who add nothing to the whole, and guess what? That's the role we will continue to play. Affirm we are One with the infinite, we are the Christ, we are the Buddha we are the One, and this reality (because this IS reality), manifest through our Beingness until we can clearly see what was ALWAYS Truth ~ I and my Father Mother are One.

One with the non-changing static God? No. I suggest that static, non-changing God is not reality. I suggest God is a Living God, and Living Spirit. Can the creator learn, can the creator Be More? I suggest change is cosmic law, life without change is not life at all, rather a static picture, death.

I suggest it is only our ego that thrives on trying to create a static picture, trying to keep things standing still. However, reality is growth, change, More, a River of Life More abundant, co-creation in eternal Now. Now. ForeverMore.

While the physical world will continue to evolve into Light, every "I" on this world is very real. We are here to help them remember who they are, remember their own inner divinity, and affirm that divinity, Be that Divine Flame here in embodiment. That is how heaven comes to Earth.

Not a static picture of a heaven that never changes, rather a platform for freedom of co-creative expression for each one of us, a platform that always Bes More, More abundant, More creative, More beautiful.

There are no limitations in reality.

If we choose to Be we will BE. IF we choose to maintain the illusion that we are separate from the whole, that we are victims who require an outer savior, that we are the ego, we will be able to maintain this illusion of suffering if we so desire...

[greybeard]

I agree with what you have written in its essence !4 Chakras.
We weren't meant to suffer and through the ego we created and chose suffering in our ignorance. For that reason I don't like to link God to this as co-creator. We are the perpetrator and the victim. God is not to blame.

My other problem with co-creator is that, who is to have that ability and who not?
In duality we all have different ideas on what would be best for other people. There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created. Its just to complicated to work in my opinion. I honestly wouldn't want the responsibility.

My own experience is that when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell of alcoholism and whilst I live modestly my needs are all met effortlessly, of myself I do nothing, I am free of many bondages and I like it that way.

Because the context I come from is a path of enlightenment as set out by the sages I like to keep my self on that track, I am not concerned overmuch about what happens after enlightenment, though there are levels of enlightenment.
As you said in an earlier post there are tests even for the enlightened, the process is eternal but for me one step at a time.

I dont like to keep quoting Dr David Hawkins but on his map of consciousness there is an enormous gap between the spiritual energy of an angel and an enlightened being, therefore a sage could be considered as being in kindergarten.

The following link is for information about Dr Hawkins

http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

With love and regard for your knowledge.
Chris

[Indigocat]

I am no longer having anything to do with this Forum , as i have just seen how things written on here have been twisted, peoples comments deleted for no reason . And me stopped from replying to people who want to be my friends . What a strange forum for so called people with open minds . Talk about egos well there are a few here ! , called moderators .

[Indigocat]

As i am unable to reply to anyone in a personal message , id just like to say Namaste to ***Greybeard*** , thanks Chris for befriending me , dont think we will get the chance to speak again , wishing you peace and blessings , also to ***Mudra*** the same thanks you , Blessings ,love and light to all of you looking to make this world a better place ,and not just talking about it .
Its not part of my path to get into a destructive forum like this .
I learn by experience and not by reading mostly , people touch me and there words have depth when it comes from the heart , not from a need to prove they are right .
Stay open and free all .
If we are meant to meet again we will .
Enjoy the road ahead .

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Indigocat

I am no longer having anything to do with this Forum , as i have just seen how things written on here have been twisted, peoples comments deleted for no reason . And me stopped from replying to people who want to be my friends . What a strange forum for so called people with open minds . Talk about egos well there are a few here ! , called moderators .

What have moderators done recently? There was a concerted attack on the forum when it went free for everyone and it may not be over yet.

PMs are denied to new members because a porn spammer used the PM function to send out full-on sex act porn videos to 43 members before we could stop them. I have given you the ability to send PMs to your new friends.

There may be more things you haven't heard about - why somethings are changed recently. We are constantly reviewing our actions - point out where you think we errored in big ego ways.

EDIT: Most edits are done by the people themselves. We really do try not to interfere, except in the most extreme cases.

[greybeard]

what really matters
My personal feeling is to have a balanced view of what comes out of the whistle blowing.
World history shows that taking up an aggressive stance doesn't work but its not a question of doing nothing.

If we are part of collective consciousness then the raising of personal spiritual vibration raises the level of all. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Safe places set up for the right reasons with no agenda I believe will be a powerful force for world peace.
Again if we look at history Gandhi was instrumental. through non violence, in bringing about the demise of colonialism against all odds. We appear to face a similar situation but is that really so? We change our world changes.


The human race has been at war for most of its history much of that cause by religious intolerance.

One possible translation of the word Devil is ego. Edge God Out.
The human ego is separatist. Basically Im right therefore you must be wrong. Its that simple. Wars are fought to preserve a position, the moment a position is taken up and firmly adhered to there must be an enemy. War is declared small time or big time its the same mechanism.

Spiritual Masters all say the same thing, no self no problem, in other words not to identify with the story in your head-- dont buy into it. Your higher self will look after you once you commit to loving the Creator and all creation unconditionally. That does not mean condoning peoples action just loving them anyway.
Im not of any religion, the truth can be found in the teachings of any spiritual giant be it Jesus or any other.
Jesus said. Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. In other words they are spiritually asleep.

Its not about what anyone else is up to its about what we individually hold in our hearts.

With love Chris

[folotheflo]

every thing is just as it should be,

it can be no other way.

you are alive, so do what ever you think is necessary, it is the only way to learn and change.

there is no truth, every thing is permited

[Gnosis5]

I can really start to sense it when my ego is flaring up and it is becoming more and more uncomfortable and bothersome, even in the slightest. Because there is now more contrast within me and being without ego compulsions is so much more rewarding that my tolerance for remaining in ego is reduced.

I can be a great big being without using my ego to delude myself about it.

[folotheflo]

the ego is like the tail of a frog

the frog does have a small tail

it was necessary on it's evolutionary journey

but now the frog has no need for it

the ego served its purpose, and probably is still needed, on a much weakend level, maybe to become a sense, rather than a dominant part of our being

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by folotheflo

the ego is like the tail of a frog

the frog does have a small tail

it was necessary on it's evolutionary journey

but now the frog has no need for it

the ego served its purpose, and probably is still needed, on a much weakend level, maybe to become a sense, rather than a dominant part of our being

Right, turn down the volume. Hindu meditation groups and Transcendental Meditation assist one greatly at this stage of self-development.

Especially if one begins to play out a healing or teaching role, then the ego must be operating on a higher harmonic if at all. Gosh, even being a parent can bring one to egolessness

peace,
Gnosis

[Majorion]

IMO I think one way people can transcend spiritually and mentally if they are able to come to recognize their own shortcomings and how vastly ignorant we all are of almost everything. I don't mean it in an "ignorance is bliss" sort of way, just that, generally speaking, humans are not the apex of biological or technological evolution we think we are at. We are ignorant of so many things its rather unfathomable. We have not even begun the real exploration of our galaxy, as such telescopes can only take us so far, and hence we have a very poor understanding of our existence and purpose, and this gets back to our micro existence on this super macro scale.

Peace and Love will have to do for now.

[Gnosis5]

If one wishes to dig deeper intellectually, but not necessarily experientially, here is a good article:

Sandorian Grove Blog RE Ego Types

[mudra]

Living enlightment...
I am finding this video most inspiring..
Enjoy



Love Always
mudra

[greybeard]

I thought I would share and experience I had about ten years ago.
I have written a little about Kundalini a couple of pages back but I dident share the experience, so here goes.

At that time I was mainly reading Ramana as it was difficult to get books by europeans who are enlightened.
Anyway I began to experience intense itching in the scalp, a pulling at the third eye and when listening to Bajhans in the half lotus position all of a sudden my upper body began to rotate in a clockwise direction, my head almost brushing the floor,I stopped it and it started going the other way. I had no idea what was happening I got in touch with a friend who had been a spiritual student much longer than I and he sugested getting in touch with a friend of his Desmond. Desmond sent me info on Kundalini awakening and I had quite a few of the symptoms, some mentioned.
I ended up going to a 14 day meditation intensive on the late Guruji's ashram in India,

One night we, about 40 of us were chanting 108 Om's and I noticed the person beside was in an estatic state, big smile and tears rolling down his face. I thought "nothing like that ever happens to me!!!"
Well next morning we were again doing the Om's and all of a sudden Love hiit me, I have never experienced anything like it in my life. I felt so loved the tears were streaming down. I looked at the others, I was at the very back and I felt such love for all of them. I felt I was cuddling them.

I was in a state of bliss for about 2 days. A few days after the initial experience, I heard a lady say that she felt she was being cuddled at the time I was having the experience.
A little later in a personal interview Guruji gave Shaktipat ( The guru blesses you at the same time as he is touching your forehead) and confirmed that Kundalini awakened.
When I got home I tried to put it down to emotionalism or the power of the ashram, No it happened again sitting in my living room.

Im not going to say too much about Kundalini as its a massive subject.
Siddis occour, They are gifts from God but not to become attached to them.
One instance I will speak of.
I was at my Aunts funeral, she made it to 95, an old friend of hers who had been very kind to her was siting beside me, I felt a love for her, all of a sudden a surge of energy passed out of my side. I never said anything but after the service Lorna said to me that she had experienced energy coming into her from me. She was a nursing sister and very grounded. Anyway a few weeks later she told me that she had been due to have a serious operation to her spine and when they did a pre operation check the surgeon could find nothing wrong with her.
I was just a channel for that healing, there have been others but I am well aware its not me doing it. I cant make it happen.
Chris
Namaste

[mudra]

Thank you for sharing this experience Chris .
I believe it was a truly blissfull one .. One that
those around you could feel and be blessed by .

Joy you have to share; blissfulness you need not share — it simply surrounds you. Whoever is courageous enough to come close to you will have it. Bliss is not something that you have to do anything about; it is already there around you, it is your milieu. The blissful person — you can call him the awakened, the enlightened, you can give any name… the blissful person is simply showering his bliss continuously. Whoever is thirsty can drink of it.

Osho

Love from me
mudra

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Anyway I began to experience intense itching in the scalp, a pulling at the third eye and when listening to Bajhans in the half lotus position all of a sudden my upper body began to rotate in a clockwise direction, my head almost brushing the floor,I stopped it and it started going the other way.

this impossible rotation of the body within the body

the quick revolving clockwise and anticlockwise motion

cast me out of the still not sleeping body in bed

but all of me was outside the physical body


because of experience


the body is for me a shell for me living within it

Death where is your Sting


the body becomes a habit

but it is a habitat for the Soul


the Source and Substance of the Soul

is the Supreme Spirit


1 quarter of this Supreme Spirit makes up All That Is

the rest 3 quarters the bigger portion

It Is Itself


I Am That I Am

[greybeard]

As all-ways thank you for your contributions Mudra and RedeZra.
much appreciated.
Chris
Namaste

[greybeard]

This question was asked of Dr David Hawkins in the book "I ----chapter On the way of the heart"

Q: How can one prevent the development of a spiritual ego? Each success seems like it would feed into it.

A: "Realize that there is no such entity as the doer of deeds or actions.
There is no doer/self to take to take blame or credit.
Progress is the result of a quality of consciousness that has been activated by the assent of the spiritual will.
Spiritual inspiration becomes the energy that is operating. It does not eminate from ego/self.
The Self, like the divinity of God does not "do" anything, nor does it 'act' or 'perform' or 'intend' or 'chose'.
for it is beyond all volition. The manifestation of God as Existence is void of conditions or positionalities.

The purity of Divinity is beyond comprehension by the ego because ego is limited to form and always asumes a duality of subject and object.
That which is the Unlimited nonlinear Reality is not divisible and is beyond the subject/object duality of the ego's conceptions based on positionality. All spiritual progress is a gift, and humble gratitude precludes pride."

Chris says.
At first it is difficult to wrap ones head around the concept of non-duality but bit by bit the clarity of Hawkins teaching drops in.
One without a second as spoke of by spiritual mystics is an absolute truth. Only God is, and we are That.

more from Dr David Hawkins.

Enlightenment means that the former personal identity and all that had been believed about have been erased, removed, dissolved, and displaced.
The particular has been replaced by the universal, qualities have been replaced by essence, the linear has been replaced by the nonlinear, and the discrete has been replaced by the unlimited. position in time or place has become Allness and Foreverness.
Intention has been replaced by spontaneity, and the limiting perception of duality has been removed as the Radiance of Oneness illuminates the Reality and the Truth of nonduality.
The essence of Divinity stands forth in its Self-revelation. Mentation has ceased and in the Silence, the Knowingness of Omniscience radiates forth unasked.
Emotion has been replaced by Peace. The exquisite gentleness of Infinite Power is deftly soft and invisible because it is the very Source and substrate of all that appears to exist. By analogy, it is like a shadow which is replaced by a sunbeam. The shadow does not become the sunbeam.

Chris

[illuminate]

such a beautiful thread, THANK U!

~ love in you ~

[kriya]

Hello again loves on this oasis in the desert thread.

I posted this on another thread, but thought it should go here too.

The Ego

http://www.bbc5.tv/eyeplayer/video/ego

Love,

Kriya

[greybeard]

Thanks Kriya.
This is the place -- smiling
Love Eckhart

Chris

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by kriya

Hello again loves on this oasis in the desert thread.

I posted this on another thread, but thought it should go here too.

The Ego

http://www.bbc5.tv/eyeplayer/video/ego

Love,

Kriya

Thanks very much for this link Kriya
I finally got down to watching it,
I was amazed at the depth of comment on the ego and the quality of those speaking on it.
Rare to find such a jem on mainstream TV.
People are becoming aware.
Regards
Chris
Also includes a clip from the film "Revolver."

[greybeard]

Good morning.
"Hell is the other" thats a famous quote,
Why is it important to transcend the ego?

Every dispute from the minor at home or work.
Every major personal or world wide fall out is down to ego.
My needs wants or desires first.
I will do whatever it takes to get my way.
I know best/
I am right -- you are wrong.
No negotiation unless!!!!!
No compromise.
Whenever a position is taken up it creates the opposite point of view.

All of these are down to the ego wanting its own way.
Me and the enemy out there.
Them an us.
All duality.

We cant have the ego and peace and harmony.
Its that simple.
It is just not possible.
So yes transcending the ego is that important.

if this has caught you attention please go back to page one and work your way through.
There are a lot of very good contributions.

When the ego is transcended what is left, Why you are.
Free from bondage. The need to be right. many other things sort thems elves out.

You sre still a unique individual.
Look at a great orchestra. Many instruments, many musicians, beautiful harmonies.
exciting moving performance. One composer.
When all are aligned with the composer the Creator then we have harmony, we have single-mindedness, common purpose. yet we can have different orchestras throughout the world playing the same melody and it is unique, yet the harmony is there. Musicians can go from one orchestra to another and the music is subtle changed yet the melody remains.

Who wants peace and harmony? Not the ego. Not really. It wants excitement. This moment is boring I want the next whats new!!!! Where is it?

The ego is is transcended by being in the "NOW"
By reading Eckhart Tolle. Dr David Hawkins, those who are in an egoless state.

With Love
Chris

[Kulapops]

Great thread - Greybeard and all contributors...

I'm only up to about page 7... will have to do this in two hits... but just want to say how much I am enjoying it so far. So many great contributions and points of view, I would like to comment on them all (Get Back in the box , KP's EGO ! )

So instead I'll just transcend all that and say Thank You All.

It's not a very long journey, the present is here already

K