common sense question about "greys" and "nordics"

[PiriusTarthis]

Since you asked, I'll give you my input.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

1. if greys are extremely evolved and technologically advanced, why go to all the trouble to abduct someone when they could easily snag a few million hair samples take them back to the ship/or planet and have an army of humans to experiment on to their hearts content. they could come here get it and we'd never see them again, most likely without much fuss.

Same reason loggers don't just pick a few acorns and go back where they came from to grow themselves a forest. If the trees are already there for the taking, then they take it. Besides, I don't think sampling our DNA is why greys are here. Instead of saying greys-as-aliens don't exist, I would say greys are pawns of an agenda that goes way beyond mere genetics stuff.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

if greys are from the future and came back to find a cure for their race and work with our scientists in exchange for their technology-

I don't believe they need a cure for anything. They come off more as manufactured biobots than their own species in need of healing. But I say manufactured by other aliens wanted to hide themselves, not just the military.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

2. why would they need to work with our scientists if theyre 45,000 years ahead of us? thats like us going back in time to build a nuclear fusion reactor with a neanderthal.

I doubt they need knowledge from our scientists. More likely they are doing it for logistical infiltration of our military-industrial-scientific complex, the use of already-existing human infrastructure (shadow government operations) to further their ends, and the giving of rigged technology in exchange for freedom to abduct whomever they please without interference by the government.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

3.if we have a treaty with them for technology, why are we shooting down UFO's with scalar technology to back engineer them? why are we grilling the live ET captures for info as clifford stone says?

Government/military has a treaty with negative ETs, and are using their weapons systems to shoot down crafts of opposing factions, probably those of the more positive ETs. Positive ETs would probably have an ethical problem with giving their technology freely to the human military, thus the military tries to take it by force. And the greys and their controllers would benefit from that as well, learning about their enemies this way.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

4. if they're from the future why would they bother to come to the 20th century when we'd be more technologically a threat than say 10,000 bc or 300 AD? why bother with treaties at all?

Who's to say they weren't here already 10,000BC, and have worked patiently and cunningly all this time to set up the very NWO system coming to fruition today? Maybe they are a small group and need us to shackle ourselves and hand over the keys to them, thus saving them much energy and logistics in not having to do it all themselves.

Why treaties? To get humans to hand over certain things willingly. It's a covert form of manipulation that doesn't require violence, just negotiation to achieve aims.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

5. why are the "good guys" the "Nordics", aka our future selves blonde haired and blue eyed? is that the best of the best genetic stock? is chinese, african, latino inferior? after 52,000 years did we decide to eliminate them? does that sound like a "good" future, or does it sound like Hitler's master race? doesnt that sound like something Nazi's brought here in the 40's and 50's and in the service of the shadow gov/black ops might like us to think?

Good question. Maybe look at the cultures of various peoples on earth and tell me which ones have the highest alien-like traits. Who makes up the bulk of humanitarian groups on earth? Who prizes individuality the most? Who is most inclined toward mechanical / technological proficiency?

Originally Posted by clarkkent

6. assuming the "greys" are not our military's genetic creations, that means they are ET's interfering with our development. why would other ET's watching us allow them to do so? it would be like us watching and observing animals in a zoo and some crazy guy goes into the monkey cage and starts grabbing the chimps and screwing with them-why would the zookeepers allow this? they wouldnt.

Why didn't the US intervene in Zimbabwe these past few years? Why didn't the good guys of the world wipe out Pol Pot early in the game? Why did the holocaust happen? It's because sometimes things are beyond one's jurisdiction, beyond one's capabilities, because intervening would lead to a greater conflict one is not prepared to handle, or because one is trying to do something but not yet achieved success.

Also, intervention is futile in certain cases where the cause is immaturity, dependency, ignorance, stupidity, dysfunction, etc...where the abused parties have some learning to do on their own and secretly need the experience, where intervention denies them the opportunity to grow up.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

7.assume for a moment that very very highly technologically and spiritually evolved beings watch many planets such as ours and many others (as i believe), and we have most likely been quarratined here until we can act peacfully, isnt it safe to assume other races have been watched and put under these same guidlines? in other words how can hostile beings be here experimenting on us? why would they be allowed to leave their biosphere?

I think we've been quarantined more because we're not grown up enough to take part in the "big boys" games out there in the universe. Imagine a five year old running onto the field of a professional football game. There's a reason the crowd is kept behind a fence. If the kid wants to join the game, he'll have to grow older, train, become a professional player and then is allowed. Positive ETs would want us to stay here to not get clobbered out there, and negative ETs want us to stay to keep us in inside the cattle ranch.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

8. if the "nordics" kicked the "greys" out of there system or reptillians were "dumped" here as many say, wouldnt those higher beings or "nordics" be directly responsible for much of our pain and misery? to do a thing consciously and knowingly? thats a high karmic price to pay for such evolved enlightened beings. if a 6th grade teacher kicks a disruptive student out of class and into the kindergarten class next door, and that same student starts to kick the crap out of the kindergartners and manipulate them, isnt the teacher responsible dont you think the teacher would send the kid firstly to the principle's office where a more powerful person is in charge of the bad 6th grader?

That's right, though I don't buy that story either about greys or reptilians being dumped on earth. If they were dumped, they should have been put on Mars if anything. Mars... the australia of the solar system.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

9. who benefits from a paranoid "alien agenda" scenario?

I tell you what, if a paranoid alien agenda viewpoint prevents the manifestation of the very things predicted in the scenario, then all of mankind will benefit. Although I prefer the more complex view where you have to distinguish between various alien factions, how they relate to the military factions, and so on. I don't think all aliens should be rejected in one swoop.

Let me propose a better question: who benefits from either an "aliens are just military-created puppets" or gullible "aliens are here to save us" scenario? Lots and lots of shady human and alien forces would benefit.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

10. is it a coincidence that the mass reporting of "abduction phenomena" (not contactees) has been reported after roswell (perhaps the first time the military could back engineer the technology) and that we brought nazi eugenics/ space program scientists over here and that theyve hijacked the ET phenomena to covertly continue their warped agenda?

Grey abductions skyrocketed after the 1950s. That's more an indication of that supposed treaty between them and the government, technology in exchange of permission to abduct. But abductions do go back in history, way back, they just weren't called "alien" abductions but rather various mystical or superstitious experiences.

As for the Nazis, remember now that the Thule society claimed to be in contact with beings from Aldeberan, that Hitler got the sh*t scared out of him when his alien masters showed up for him (negative nordic types probably) who epitomized for him the uebermensch he was so tasked with creating out of the aryan gene pool. Therefore it's more likely that the Nazi scientists came to the U.S. and continued working with negative aliens to create the situation we have today.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

10. isnt it possible that the shadow government/black ops have enough sophisticated tech to implement "channeled" messages to inherently psychic people, and that much can damage can be done through mind control/ psychotronics to manipulate the UFO community?

Yes, and isn't it curious how so many channeled messages portray various dubious alien factions as positive instead? Or how the most high profile abductees (who were probably programmed and groomed for the task) are the ones presenting a benign and apologetic view of the alien presence? Meanwhile reports of negative abductions, negative aliens, etc... get relegated to the fringes, ignored, because they're simply not warm, cozy, entertaining, and sensational enough like the fake cases. If the military cabal is working with negative ETs, they would have every motivation to be involved in this exact type of programming and manipulation you're talking about.

Originally Posted by clarkkent

11. doesnt the lack of discussion concerning PLF"S (prgrammed life forms) among the UFO community suggest that maybe the shadow government wants it that way?

Right, because that would poke a nice big hole into the "Greys are here to help us and them evolve" deception. How can they do that if they are just PLFs? But the twist here is that, like I said, they're not just PLFs of the shadow government, but of negative alien groups as well. There's also the issue of, if PLFs can be made in the image of greys, then why not in the shape of humans too? And if so, how many famous people, politicians, UFO researchers, are actually PLFs? You see where that goes. It creates mistrust in authority and the illusion that both the shadow government and negative alien groups are trying to maintain.

Now, my point in responding to your questions is to show that there is a more complex, thorough, and explanatory hypothesis that goes beyond the idea that aliens are solely the creation of the shadow government. I'm saying that negative aliens and the shadow government are working together to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, and that they're doing it through fake abductions, fake channeling, fake researchers, fake insider testimony, fake crop circles, fake this and fake that. But that amidst all this deception there is truth, and it's a small needle in a very big haystack.

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by PiriusTarthis

Since you asked, I'll give you my input.



Same reason loggers don't just pick a few acorns and go back where they came from to grow themselves a forest. If the trees are already there for the taking, then they take it. Besides, I don't think sampling our DNA is why greys are here. Instead of saying greys-as-aliens don't exist, I would say greys are pawns of an agenda that goes way beyond mere genetics stuff.

-well since the bulk of their "agenda" involves genetic testing what is the bigger picture? what evidence do you have to support manipulation that has nothing to do with the apparant genetic experiments most negative abductions report. (again "abduction" not contact)


I don't believe they need a cure for anything. They come off more as manufactured biobots than their own species in need of healing. But I say manufactured by other aliens wanted to hide themselves, not just the military.

-well the popular theory is that theyre from the future looking for a cure-thats what im questioning-and you even admit the seem more like bio robots (there are inside black ops people who admit this and that the military indeed makes them-where is the evidence that another alien race is behind them?)



I doubt they need knowledge from our scientists. More likely they are doing it for logistical infiltration of our military-industrial-scientific complex, the use of already-existing human infrastructure (shadow government operations) to further their ends, and the giving of rigged technology in exchange for freedom to abduct whomever they please without interference by the government.

(again why would an advanced race need our permission? neutralizing our mlitary should be childs play)


Government/military has a treaty with negative ETs, and are using their weapons systems to shoot down crafts of opposing factions, probably those of the more positive ETs. Positive ETs would probably have an ethical problem with giving their technology freely to the human military, thus the military tries to take it by force. And the greys and their controllers would benefit from that as well, learning about their enemies this way.

(why would powerful good ET's allow "grey's" to give us anything? thats direct manipulation/interfering- your telling me there are hundreds if not thousands of good ET's observing us and theyre just going to let one of their own visitors break every rule they adhere to-doesnt make sense)


Who's to say they weren't here already 10,000BC, and have worked patiently and cunningly all this time to set up the very NWO system coming to fruition today? Maybe they are a small group and need us to shackle ourselves and hand over the keys to them, thus saving them much energy and logistics in not having to do it all themselves.

(contact and UFO type objects have been throughout history- abduction has NOT- again is this a coincidence this scenario shot through the roof AFTER roswell and we imported Nazis?)

Why treaties? To get humans to hand over certain things willingly. It's a covert form of manipulation that doesn't require violence, just negotiation to achieve aims.

(do we form treaties with gorllias and chimps we observe? do we manipulate ants subtley for years to observe to acheive our aims?)


why are "good guy nordics" blond haired and blue eyed

Good question. Maybe look at the cultures of various peoples on earth and tell me which ones have the highest alien-like traits. Who makes up the bulk of humanitarian groups on earth? Who prizes individuality the most? Who is most inclined toward mechanical / technological proficiency?

(so your telling me blonde haired blue eyed people are the most benevolent and technologically inclined on the planet? is that what you really think ? i almsot dont want to refute this answer as it is ridiculous to me but..wow...well id say look at your samsung TV or your toyota car- as far as humanitarian? well, ghandi and martin luther king werentt white, an you can look up nations that send humanitarian aid, and they certainly arent just "white" nations...the nazi's sure were white though werent they?)



Why didn't the US intervene in Zimbabwe these past few years? Why didn't the good guys of the world wipe out Pol Pot early in the game? Why did the holocaust happen? It's because sometimes things are beyond one's jurisdiction, beyond one's capabilities, because intervening would lead to a greater conflict one is not prepared to handle, or because one is trying to do something but not yet achieved success.

(were also at a stage in evolution where WAR and violence are the norm, assuming we dont wipe ourselves out and that civilization is only 10-12000 years old (depending on what you believe) then dont you think 40,000 or more years from now we'd be beyond it? i mean we had slavery 200 years ago, i think its safe to assume beings more evolved with older societies wouldnt function on these self destructive terms)

Also, intervention is futile in certain cases where the cause is immaturity, dependency, ignorance, stupidity, dysfunction, etc...where the abused parties have some learning to do on their own and secretly need the experience, where intervention denies them the opportunity to grow up.



I think we've been quarantined more because we're not grown up enough to take part in the "big boys" games out there in the universe. Imagine a five year old running onto the field of a professional football game. There's a reason the crowd is kept behind a fence. If the kid wants to join the game, he'll have to grow older, train, become a professional player and then is allowed. Positive ETs would want us to stay here to not get clobbered out there, and negative ETs want us to stay to keep us in inside the cattle ranch.

(again if we arent allowed to "play with the big boys" because we dont get along, how were the "greys" ever allowed to leave their own biosphere?

I tell you what, if a paranoid alien agenda viewpoint prevents the manifestation of the very things predicted in the scenario, then all of mankind will benefit. Although I prefer the more complex view where you have to distinguish between various alien factions, how they relate to the military factions, and so on. I don't think all aliens should be rejected in one swoop.

(aliens at war with us in the middle just doesnt make sense to me , again were assuming they function in a ridiculous warlike manner in which we still function)

Let me propose a better question: who benefits from either an "aliens are just military-created puppets" or gullible "aliens are here to save us" scenario? Lots and lots of shady human and alien forces would benefit.

(im certainly not of the mind theyre here to save us-not in the slightest i believe REAL contact is genuinely scarce and theyll sit by and watch from above waiting to have meaningful interaction when we can get along with eachother. meanwhile the military uses the "alien agenda" for its own covert needs and mass psy op on the general public)


Grey abductions skyrocketed after the 1950s. That's more an indication of that supposed treaty between them and the government, technology in exchange of permission to abduct. But abductions do go back in history, way back, they just weren't called "alien" abductions but rather various mystical or superstitious experiences.

(well your wrong those mystical experiences were of a contact style interaction, i challenge you to find genetic experimentation and implants in the history books before the 20th century)

As for the Nazis, remember now that the Thule society claimed to be in contact with beings from Aldeberan, that Hitler got the sh*t scared out of him when his alien masters showed up for him (negative nordic types probably) who epitomized for him the uebermensch he was so tasked with creating out of the aryan gene pool. Therefore it's more likely that the Nazi scientists came to the U.S. and continued working with negative aliens to create the situation we have today.

(maybe but they evidence seems lacking)



Yes, and isn't it curious how so many channeled messages portray various dubious alien factions as positive instead? Or how the most high profile abductees (who were probably programmed and groomed for the task) are the ones presenting a benign and apologetic view of the alien presence? Meanwhile reports of negative abductions, negative aliens, etc... get relegated to the fringes, ignored, because they're simply not warm, cozy, entertaining, and sensational enough like the fake cases. If the military cabal is working with negative ETs, they would have every motivation to be involved in this exact type of programming and manipulation you're talking about.

(well i disagree with you, is "Fire in the sky" a positive contact story? is "taken" the tv series positive? the "abduction phenomena" gets far more press than positive contact)


Right, because that would poke a nice big hole into the "Greys are here to help us and them evolve" deception. How can they do that if they are just PLFs? But the twist here is that, like I said, they're not just PLFs of the shadow government, but of negative alien groups as well. There's also the issue of, if PLFs can be made in the image of greys, then why not in the shape of humans too? And if so, how many famous people, politicians, UFO researchers, are actually PLFs? You see where that goes. It creates mistrust in authority and the illusion that both the shadow government and negative alien groups are trying to maintain.

(from what i understand PLF's cant perform extemely complicated affairs such as mimicking a real persons life, these things our programmed to carry out the abduction scenario with military personnel using sophisticated psychotronic devices to aid the victims illusion--making a clone of GW bush for instance is not possible and far beyond their capabilites)


Now, my point in responding to your questions is to show that there is a more complex, thorough, and explanatory hypothesis that goes beyond the idea that aliens are solely the creation of the shadow government. I'm saying that negative aliens and the shadow government are working together to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, and that they're doing it through fake abductions, fake channeling, fake researchers, fake insider testimony, fake crop circles, fake this and fake that. But that amidst all this deception there is truth, and it's a small needle in a very big haystack.

well we'll all find out in time! thanks for your input...id like to see what others say still !