Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[THE eXchanger]

are you familiar with the dragon called
Seraf'ina ???

(seraf=22)
ina - 9 5 1 (15)
thus ; 22+15=37/10
she is a red dragon outside, blue inside, and,
can blend those colours of red/and, blue to reflect/or, be seen as purple

she is some form of ancient lightworker dragon
but, where is she originally from/what are all the purposes
for having access to a dragon ???

she shows up to work with us in grand cycles,
currently, earth is NOW in a 13th grand cycle,
WE ARE CURIOUS, exactly what these 13th grand cycle are...
is it merely, a changing of a guard of 2000 years x 13 = 26,000
and, also that of a galatic alignment !!!
ie; it moves from pisces/to age of acquarius etc., ???
means to you ???

[Céline]

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

are you familiar with the dragon called
Seraf'ina ???

(seraf=22)
ina - 9 5 1 (15)
thus ; 22+15=37/10
she is a red dragon outside, blue inside, and,
can blend those colours of red/and, blue to reflect/or, be seen as purple

she is some form of ancient lightworker dragon
but, where is she originally from/what are all the purposes
for having access to a dragon ???

she shows up to work with us in grand cycles,
currently, earth is NOW in a 13th grand cycle,
WE ARE CURIOUS, exactly what these 13th grand cycle are...
is it merely, a changing of a guard of 2000 years x 13 = 26,000
and, also that of a galatic alignment !!!
ie; it moves from pisces/to age of acquarius etc., ???
means to you ???

This is BAIAME - the Rainbow Dragon of Uluru or Ayers Rock; the DREAMTIME SERPENT of the Australian Aboriginee; now known to represent the oldest representative of the homo sapiens sapiens genus.
This is known as Mungo Man and Mungo Woman discovered in New South Wales and dated via burial rites to be so 40,000 years old.

The cycles are easy 13 Mayan baktuns are 13x144,000 days/kin in 1,872,000 days specifying the 3114 BC to 2012 AD longcount of 5125 civil years.
The last baktun so is 144,000 days or 394 years from 1618 to 2012 as the 13th and last cycle.

AA

I just may have stumbled upon an interesting question (or not)

While searching for pictures I found something you might wish to comment on



There were also the words (among other things): Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matthew 10:16) So together let us traverse the path of the serpent, which is the path of wisdom

What i find most interesting is the tear (crying)

I have no specific questions, I am just curious (it might not be bad to elaborate on the symbolism)

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

I just may have stumbled upon an interesting question (or not)

While searching for pictures I found something you might wish to comment on



There were also the words (among other things): Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matthew 10:16) So together let us traverse the path of the serpent, which is the path of wisdom

What i find most interesting is the tear (crying)

I have no specific questions, I am just curious (it might not be bad to elaborate on the symbolism)

The tear is the 'cry of the earth' upon the 'crucifixion' of the Sun, Sprigovori.
It infers the Mother losing her Son as well as the Creation Mother losing her Creator on two major levels of interpretation.

AA

[Myplanet2]

Do the Thuban have an opinion about how the dark and the light can be reunited in harmony, rather than in the separation of polarity? Most explanations I've heard, when not coming directly from within a polarization, are from the light perspective. Simple works best for me. I've been trying to keep my mind quiet, not get it fired back up again.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Simple works best for me.

Simple is beautifull

S implicity
O neness
U nity
L ove

Love from me
mudra

[viking]

Originally Posted by mudra

Simple is beautifull

S implicity
O neness
U nity
L ove

Love from me
mudra

Mudra...

What a wonderful picture...

You have great Wisdom and superb Vision...

viking

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Do the Thuban have an opinion about how the dark and the light can be reunited in harmony, rather than in the separation of polarity? Most explanations I've heard, when not coming directly from within a polarization, are from the light perspective. Simple works best for me. I've been trying to keep my mind quiet, not get it fired back up again.

The Light and the Dark are like the Living and the Dead.

But you've heared of the 'Living Dead' the Zombies did you not?
So there are also the 'Dead Alive' Ones and this so translates into the Lighted Darkness and the Darkened Light.

The Thuban Council represents this Harmonization of the Being BOTH Dead and Alive at the same time and so also of being of the Light and of the Darkness at the same time.

WE are the SHADOWS of Creation, in Exile still, but like the 'Dead Alive' Ones, WE shall infuse the 'Living Dead' Ones, the Zombies of the Earth with our presence.

And you perhaps already know who the zombies are; the Ones walking around waiting to die!

AA

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

The Light and the Dark are like the Living and the Dead.

But you've heared of the 'Living Dead' the Zombies did you not?
So there are also the 'Dead Alive' Ones and this so translates into the Lighted Darkness and the Darkened Light.

The Thuban Council represents this Harmonization of the Being BOTH Dead and Alive at the same time and so also of being of the Light and of the Darkness at the same time.

WE are the SHADOWS of Creation, in Exile still, but like the 'Dead Alive' Ones, WE shall infuse the 'Living Dead' Ones, the Zombies of the Earth with our presence.

And you perhaps already know who the zombies are; the Ones walking around waiting to die!

AA

The ones waiting to die?...or the innocent children? I hear they taste better....and emit more fear.

What is the count on missing children these days?

Who put you in exile in the first place? One of your own perhaps?

I understand balance....what about love for life? How does one balance emotion when faced with the thought of innocent children being devoured by hungry dragon appetites and addiction to feeding on fear? Simply accept it as the circle of life.....I think not.

This is what you explain as the balance of dark and light? To take advantage while in exile for what again?

[UncleJohn]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I understand balance....what about love for life? How does one balance emotion when faced with the thought of innocent children being devoured by hungry dragon appetites and addiction to feeding on fear? Simply accept it as the circle of life.....I think not.

Brook, life to me is very serious.

If you don't accept life as it presents itself, then one must do something to attempt to change life.

Try: 1. Humor. 2. Procrastination. 3. Finding like minded people on forums such as this.

[Fredkc]

Cosmology is not something i know about...am i dumb because of that?

Knowledge back-fills according to need.
Honestly, anything else is just clutter.

Fred

[Debby]

I have been trying to read this thread....pffffff. I think my IQ doesn't reach that high to understand this( and guess never will). I really want to understand it but this would take me a life time. I find time a probleem, there is so much information, I'm not only meaning this thread . I want to know and learn but life is just to short.

[UncleJohn]

I just want to say thank you to Abrax.

May you see God in everything.

May you hear inner music in your head all the time.

May your food always taste good.

May everyone that meets you smiles.

May you never stop posting on some forum somewhere where I can read.

[halebox]

Are you STS or STO or other?
Are the Thuban Council STS or STO or other?
If the unaltered bible writtings are assigned to the earth humans then do the Thuban have their own handbook they must follow?
Can you recommend the best way to get flouride etc free water? Or the cleanest store brand?
Does the council want to share our planet with us humans? Do they want this planet minus humans? If they want to occupy would they mind many et groups sharing earth?
Describe the Thuban spaceships.
Do the Thuban feed off our negative or lustful energy?
Does the dragon race appear as a typical dragon portrayed in out media?
Do you know of your next incarnation?
Will the money system collapse soon?

In the name of the One/Source would or have the Thuban Council lie to me or other humans?
Thanks

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by halebox

Are you STS or STO or other?
Are the Thuban Council STS or STO or other?
Both.
If the unaltered bible writtings are assigned to the earth humans then do the Thuban have their own handbook they must follow?
We wrote the original bible through our prophets and are retranslating it at present.
Can you recommend the best way to get flouride etc free water? Or the cleanest store brand?
Go to a waterfall or natural spring. Try to grow wheat where it has not been planted before; say in Central Australia.
Does the council want to share our planet with us humans? Do they want this planet minus humans? If they want to occupy would they mind many et groups sharing earth?
We want starhumans not humans.
Describe the Thuban spaceships.
There are many, the largest ones are so 2000 kilometers in length. They are described in Ezekiel and in Revelation in terms of measurements.
Do the Thuban feed off our negative or lustful energy?
We've got our own lustful energies, we dont require human suppression sexual energies.
Does the dragon race appear as a typical dragon portrayed in out media?
No, but the can shapeshift into many forms.
Do you know of your next incarnation?
Yes, starhuman dragonised.
Will the money system collapse soon?
That depends on the PTB playing their fiscal balancing games. The global fiscal system is 'broke' already with the Chinese playing the Euro against the Greenback. The PTB are trying to hang on until 2012 and as long as they can. They do not wish the civil unrests just yet.

In the name of the One/Source would or have the Thuban Council lie to me or other humans?
No.
Thanks

Your welcome!
AA

[Initiate]

exchange "big enough to take the world and all it's got" for "big enough to take the universe and all its got" and there you have it. Earth... the cosmic cook pot. The dream to blend many universal species into one so that we as star seeds can traverse the universe freely since we found it so hard to incarnate from one life in say "Lyra" to the next life time in say the "Alpha Draconis" system. Whilst our incarnation path was chosen to go there to experience the fullness of creation and the spectrum of embodiment.

Surely a balanced outcome is desirable for all star systems in the resulting Star Human. Why does the "Thubin Council" seek to direct the outcome for personal gain? Should not all systems be involved? The time for being lead by external forces is surely over and the time for divine direction from within with the aid of the universal councillor is upon us.

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Initiate

exchange "big enough to take the world and all it's got" for "big enough to take the universe and all its got" and there you have it. Earth... the cosmic cook pot. The dream to blend many universal species into one so that we as star seeds can traverse the universe freely since we found it so hard to incarnate from one life in say "Lyra" to the next life time in say the "Alpha Draconis" system. Whilst our incarnation path was chosen to go there to experience the fullness of creation and the spectrum of embodiment.

Surely a balanced outcome is desirable for all star systems in the resulting Star Human. Why does the "Thubin Council" seek to direct the outcome for personal gain? Should not all systems be involved? The time for being lead by external forces is surely over and the time for divine direction from within with the aid of the universal councillor is upon us.

Where does the 'personal gain' enter the equations?
The 'divine intervention' from within might be the mirror effect the Thuban Council is presiding over from without.
Apart from this; your comprehension is excellent.

AA

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Where does the 'personal gain' enter the equations?
The 'divine intervention' from within might be the mirror effect the Thuban Council is presiding over from without.
Apart from this; your comprehension is excellent.

AA

Is not the thubin council trapped in the Astral or by attachment to incarnates? If this is not the case where does the council reside? Is not the aim to create a story which fits the result that has desired outcome of gaining form along with the rest of us? Whilst the incarnate soul is aiming to recover connection to spirit. the Astrals seek to recover form. Maybe my understanding is wrong. Please offer your understanding if so.

Thanks,

A

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Is not the thubin council trapped in the Astral or by attachment to incarnates?
We are not trapped in anything we are outside the material universe - in the Void!

If this is not the case where does the council reside?
In the Void, also being Eternity of not yet defined (geometrical) context and structure.

Is not the aim to create a story which fits the result that has desired outcome of gaining form along with the rest of us? Whilst the incarnate soul is aiming to recover connection to spirit.
The incarnate soul could not exist without connection to spirit.

The Astrals seek to recover form. Maybe my understanding is wrong. Please offer your understanding if so.
The Astral has a higher density of form in terms of vibration. This renders the 'materiality' of the astral as 'less dense' in terms of the particularisation of its wavenature.
So when you say the astral seeks reformation you are implying redensification in dimensional reduction.
This is the conundrum of the present situation.
The astral form is unable to redensify, except in biological incarnation engaging the DNA/RNA templates of the pentagonal symmetry.
Following the 'opening' of the 4th spacial dimension, this densification will allow to proceed with already existing 3-dimensional incarnates interacting and exchanging those DNA/RNA templates with the 'astral' dimensions.
The appearance of UFO phenomena are cross-sections of this 'astral hyperspace' in the 3D-4D interface of the 4th spacial dimension not yet opened except in quantum terms.

This in physical terms becomes the 'reactivation' of dormant junk-intron genetomic selfexpression.

Thanks,

A

Good Night

AA

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Good Night

AA

Thanks. not time for sleep yet though.

did you once have form inside the creation? how did you get outside the creation if so? Form is what I refer to as an entities embodiment in the creation. Why did you choose to attach your self to Tony as opposed to taking form of your own to reveal your message?

Thanks

A

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Thanks. not time for sleep yet though.

did you once have form inside the creation? how did you get outside the creation if so? Form is what I refer to as an entities embodiment in the creation. Why did you choose to attach your self to Tony as opposed to taking form of your own to reveal your message?

Thanks

A

Hi Initiate!

This is a good question. How does one get 'outside' of the creation?

The answer is simple, yet profound.
Should you consider the 'creation' as a spacetime construct, that is some 'place' experienced at some 'time' by something you might term 'self-conscious' or 'self-unconscious'; then the answer must relate to find the 'space' and 'time' of creation, when there was no creation.

So then this nospace and notime also must be considered in their nature and/or nonmanifestation.

Say you create a fantasy creature like a Unicorn with seven horns, instead of one.
You IMAGINE this unicorn in RELATING your earlier experiences in your thoughtforms. You know what a unicorn supposed to look like from say a fairy tale book; you colour it white and place a horn (say akin that of a narwhale) upon it and then IMAGINE the superpositioning of six other say smaller horns protruding around the bigger horn from the horse-like Unicornian head.

Ok, I am sure you could do that.
But now imagine yourself of never having seen a horse and the colour white or a narwhale and the label of 'unicorn' is meaningless to you because of your LACK OF REFERENCE FRAME.

So you cannot create your sevenhorned unicorn for lack of background data.

This scenario then describes the Thuban presence in the 12th dimension.
The 12th dimension can only BE the 12th dimension, because the lower dimensions 1-11 exist.
So the 12D is REFERENCE FRAME for the lowerD in terms of spacetime construction.

Then reducing the cosmogony even further will allow you to reach the point where the 1st dimension does not yet exist.

So what is 'before' 1D - 0D!
But 0D as a mathematical point also is descriptive of InfiniteD in the VOID becoming so defined as the INVERSE of ETERNITY.
This Reciprocoity is akin the primordial polarity of something opposite yet unifiable.
This is high school algebra and group theory in the Identity parameters for addition and multiplication.

A+(-A)=0 {say 2-2=0} for addition and Ax1/A=1 {say 2x1/2=1} for multiplication.

Your question about FORM so derives from this also - the mathematical archetypical superstructure is IMMANENT or INTRINSIC to the Emergence of FORM.

So why can the Thuban Council BE 'outside' creation?
They are situated in the VOID=ETERNITY AS the prespacetime mode of creation.
They so are able to MAP the VOID=INFINITY of nospacetime onto the material creation as a 12D Reference Frame, so allowing the 11-dimensional universe to draw upon and utilize the Thubanese definition and creaton processes.

If one works for 24 hours answering questions and all during the night; it is not unreasonable to say 'Good Night' at local noontime.

You have asked an intelligent and pertinent question Initiate and the Thuban Council extends its gratitude to you for asking it.

AA

[Sollve]

Abrax,

I get the feeling that you are amused with the outcome of this thread. I can see you smile when we try with all of our hearts to understand the message you are trying to deliver. Each and every time there is a straight forward question you make an evasive manouver leaving many of us as big glowing question marks.

So, why is this?

My guess is that you are very bitter about the outcome of your life. You have been hurt deeply along the way and I'm not meaning physically. You have a very big heart and this is also in your reality your biggest weakness. You have learned the hard way and you have found your solution in reading and digesting cosmology and other things to substitute your (by you) percieved weakness to a degree where you have identified yourself with your teachings, never ever showing your 'weak spot', your heart.

I want you to know that if you want to heal and become whole again I'm here for you and I'm certain there are a whole bunch of other loving people here aswell that is willing to help you along. There is no weakness in opening ones heart and this is the place to do it. Take small steps and I promise you that the rewards will be endless.

You are like a wing broken bird, now accustomed to a life on the ground. You have forgotten about your wings and keep them tightly tucked away in a place were they don't get in your way, and you wonder why this world is so hostile. Know your broken heart and this will allow it to heal. Make it a part of you again and it will also be part of our perception of you, and that's who you truly are.

Don't be afraid, we will take care of you, help you and we will love you. You are amongst hearts, just were you belong.

With eternal love,
Sollve

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Sollve

Abrax,

I get the feeling that you are amused with the outcome of this thread. I can see you smile when we try with all of our hearts to understand the message you are trying to deliver. Each and every time there is a straight forward question you make an evasive manouver leaving many of us as big glowing question marks.

So, why is this?

Your feelings are your own dear Sollve.
Why should I be amused? Amused by what?
Your presumption of me attaining amusement in your perception of my evasiveness bespeaks more of your judgements, than my platform of relationship and interaction.

And who is this WE you are writing about? Have you becoe a spokesperson for THEM?

My evasive manouvers, what and where are they? Generalisations are insufficient to crystallize points of divergence or misunderstandings.

My guess is that you are very bitter about the outcome of your life. You have been hurt deeply along the way and I'm not meaning physically. You have a very big heart and this is also in your reality your biggest weakness.

What a decisive and accurate assessment of my cosmically embittered, multidimensionally hurtful, interdimensional nonphysicality and 3D fullhearted but weakened personality Sollve.
Have you ever thought of training to become a psychoanalyst?


You have learned the hard way and you have found your solution in reading and digesting cosmology and other things to substitute your (by you) percieved weakness to a degree where you have identified yourself with your teachings, never ever showing your 'weak spot', your heart.

Yes indeed, I have lied to myself all my life in my hard labours to hide my weaknesses in my deluded selfdeceptions.

I want you to know that if you want to heal and become whole again I'm here for you and I'm certain there are a whole bunch of other loving people here aswell that is willing to help you along. There is no weakness in opening ones heart and this is the place to do it. Take small steps and I promise you that the rewards will be endless.

You be the judge, assessor and psychoanalyst for that Sollve.
Indeed I have encountered the all embracing loving natures of many here on this forum. Love abounds, just as long the 'bad ones' go away.

You are like a wing broken bird, now accustomed to a life on the ground. You have forgotten about your wings and keep them tightly tucked away in a place were they don't get in your way, and you wonder why this world is so hostile. Know your broken heart and this will allow it to heal. Make it a part of you again and it will also be part of our perception of you, and that's who you truly are.

Have I ever called this world hostile? Mirror mirror on the wall!
I am a dragon; I have wings dear Sollve.
Indeed my DragonHeart is broken, like Sean Connery's in DragonHeart.
I think and feel I know who I truly am dear Sollve.


Don't be afraid, we will take care of you, help you and we will love you. You are amongst hearts, just were you belong.

I am afriad of nothing except the 'sky falling on my head' as Asterix the Gaul would say in the comic books.
Thank you very much for caring for me Sollve! Caring for others takes care of oneself, does it not?

With eternal love,
Sollve

I reciprocate your eternal love Sollve!

AA

[Sollve]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sollve
Abrax,

I get the feeling that you are amused with the outcome of this thread. I can see you smile when we try with all of our hearts to understand the message you are trying to deliver. Each and every time there is a straight forward question you make an evasive manouver leaving many of us as big glowing question marks.

So, why is this?

Your feelings are your own dear Sollve.
Why should I be amused? Amused by what?
Your presumption of me attaining amusement in your perception of my evasiveness bespeaks more of your judgements, than my platform of relationship and interaction.

And who is this WE you are writing about? Have you becoe a spokesperson for THEM?

Aren't you, me, them, us and we just me in the mirror according to your teachings? Anyway, for clarification purposes replace above with I. I have no problems with that.

My evasive manouvers, what and where are they? Generalisations are insufficient to crystallize points of divergence or misunderstandings.

Well... The grass can sometimes be green as well.

My guess is that you are very bitter about the outcome of your life. You have been hurt deeply along the way and I'm not meaning physically. You have a very big heart and this is also in your reality your biggest weakness.

What a decisive and accurate assessment of my cosmically embittered, multidimensionally hurtful, interdimensional nonphysicality and 3D fullhearted but weakened personality Sollve.

My humble thanks! It's always nice to hear when I'm spot on!

Have you ever thought of training to become a psychoanalyst?

Hmm, maybe I should. The Thubans might need one? Can I use you as a reference?

You have learned the hard way and you have found your solution in reading and digesting cosmology and other things to substitute your (by you) percieved weakness to a degree where you have identified yourself with your teachings, never ever showing your 'weak spot', your heart.

Yes indeed, I have lied to myself all my life in my hard labours to hide my weaknesses in my deluded selfdeceptions.

As above so below...

I want you to know that if you want to heal and become whole again I'm here for you and I'm certain there are a whole bunch of other loving people here aswell that is willing to help you along. There is no weakness in opening ones heart and this is the place to do it. Take small steps and I promise you that the rewards will be endless.

You be the judge, assessor and psychoanalyst for that Sollve.
Indeed I have encountered the all embracing loving natures of many here on this forum. Love abounds, just as long the 'bad ones' go away.

As I stated above, I welcome you regardless if you percieve yourself as good or bad. You are me, and I'm not percieving me as bad.

You are like a wing broken bird, now accustomed to a life on the ground. You have forgotten about your wings and keep them tightly tucked away in a place were they don't get in your way, and you wonder why this world is so hostile. Know your broken heart and this will allow it to heal. Make it a part of you again and it will also be part of our perception of you, and that's who you truly are.

Have I ever called this world hostile? Mirror mirror on the wall!
I am a dragon; I have wings dear Sollve.
Indeed my DragonHeart is broken, like Sean Connery's in DragonHeart.
I think and feel I know who I truly am dear Sollve.

My world can surely be hostile at times. I often challenge my own world and the challenge itslef can sometimes be percieved as hostile, even if it's my choosing. It's to understand it is my choosing that helps me develop.

Don't be afraid, we will take care of you, help you and we will love you. You are amongst hearts, just were you belong.

I am afriad of nothing except the 'sky falling on my head' as Asterix the Gaul would say in the comic books.
Thank you very much for caring for me Sollve! Caring for others takes care of oneself, does it not?

I'll catch that sky for you Abraxa. No worries!

With eternal love,
Sollve

I reciprocate your eternal love Sollve!

AA
__________________
I Am One in Many and I Am Many in One!

AA

See ya!
Sollve

-> -> -> -> ->