Ive got a solution

[Jack]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

I don't think he means that the actual process is complicated, I think he is saying that his particular circumstances are difficult to sort out to be able to do it... same as me and my family...

If you would care to elaborate on your current situation then maybe it would add some valuable fuel to the fire.

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Jack

If you would care to elaborate on your current situation then maybe it would add some valuable fuel to the fire.

my son is on SSA disability and the child support (is less than the normal amount) is paid thru an auxillary account off of their dad's SSA disability account... I just got finished with a CPS/court case involving my other son which, after all the requirements were put in place, locked me into a half-time job with job schedule that will not allow for getting s second job to help supplement the income.. so I have been diminished to depending on the SSA income just to be able to meet the minimum bills- and even tho I make too much to qualify for any other assistance- that does not allow for me to save anything or provide ANY avenue to get up out of the welfare pit.

so- at this time, I am not able to dismiss my wardens and submit documents to become a FREE family...

[Northern Boy]

xbusymom you were working and paying into a system you never knew was there to deceive you. You can claim all rights and privileges that the capitalized name is entitled to remember if you claim it and they do not respond with in the time frame you stipulate then they have accepted it and it is binding in a court of law even theirs . The fact that they created the monster doesn`t entitle them to being excluded if the monster decides to bite them on the a_ss

[xbusymom]

ok, but (not trying to argue myself out of anything) doesn't that also mean that if I don't jump through their hoops, they can then decide that we are not entitled to disability payments anymore?

*help me navigate the maze, 'cause I am already confused and I don't have a lot of time to really dig into researching this issue...

I will say this topic has given me courage to be bolder in dealing with SSA and I am currently dealing with a case review report that they are requiring me to fill out 'completely', yet has necessary data missing from their boxes on the report... so I am being a stickler with the CW on this point... and we will see how far I get with that...

and the payment for my other son for June's benefit (child support that was returned from the Foster Parent) I finally got back in November...

so I am racking up a lot of documentation... if nothing else

[Northern Boy]

Ok lets do it this way

You have paid into programs like unemployment social security and welfare and the whole host of programs out there your whole life as a corporation . That is what you are when they use the acts and statutes against you in an attempt to control you ,and for the most part they have been successful at it .

So why can you pay in if you are a person but not draw out as a human being ? Answer is you can .

You must send them a notice of intent and a claim of right to gain access to these programs as a human being and if they refuse then you can show that as the agent of the capitalized name you contributed to these programs and would now like to be compensated for it in one of 2 ways by your notice claiming a right to them or by them refunding all deductions taken and put into the programs

[xbusymom]

I got it now!

to get what you want - you just have to their game with their game pieces - documents!

( so its kind of like - an adult wanting to play a game with their kids so they have to rethink like a kid for the kids' rules to make sense)

kind of switches the perspective from what we were led to believe DUH-YA THINK?? hahaha -- oh i am loving this...

Hint- go back and rewatch the movie HOOK- in particular the scene where peter out-does rufio at the dinner table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8il4...eature=related

[Northern Boy]

Yes similar except the meanings of the words used will change and you must know what they mean in their courts to be successful and getting the outcome you desire .

There are places you can go online to find out information and build a solid notice so everything you want as far as your rights go is included

Thinkfree.ca is one and Jack has posted several links that include others as well there are several links posted elsewhere in the forum one thing to remember is that Common Law whether it be Great Britain Canada or the U.S.
in the western hemisphere is virtually the same New Zealand and Oz likewise

but if you want an idea of how things work watch this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3665540929835#

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

I got it now!

to get what you want - you just have to their game with their game pieces - documents!

( so its kind of like - an adult wanting to play a game with their kids so they have to rethink like a kid for the kids' rules to make sense)

kind of switches the perspective from what we were led to believe DUH-YA THINK?? hahaha -- oh i am loving this...

Hint- go back and rewatch the movie HOOK- in particular the scene where peter out-does rufio at the dinner table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8il4...eature=related

Yes the judge on the bench with his perfectly coiffed white wig is also a child of God :-)

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Ok lets do it this way

You have paid into programs like unemployment social security and welfare and the whole host of programs out there your whole life as a corporation . That is what you are when they use the acts and statutes against you in an attempt to control you ,and for the most part they have been successful at it .

So why can you pay in if you are a person but not draw out as a human being ? Answer is you can .

You must send them a notice of intent and a claim of right to gain access to these programs as a human being and if they refuse then you can show that as the agent of the capitalized name you contributed to these programs and would now like to be compensated for it in one of 2 ways by your notice claiming a right to them or by them refunding all deductions taken and put into the programs

Does that also include that if I opt out of social insurance then I can require that they reimburse me lump sum for everything I have paid in? Especially since I wonder if they will even be able to pay me as promised.

Best,
Gnosis