Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[bigmo]

Abraxas,

Was the recognition of the ' Christ Consciousness' as the transformation by humans from the 3D into the 4D the real 'truth' or foundation of Christianity?

Would this explain why anyone 'denying' or 'unless ye be born again' of the existence of the 4D would be prevented from entering into this dimension or 'heaven'?

Is it because our thoughts and beliefs are the creation within a structure of archetypes so that if we create a denial, we have created that 'experience'?

Or is it something more esoteric within the laws of 12D physics beyond our reach but true non the less?

Peace

[Initiate]

Hi Abraxas,

I was in a lucid state while meditating last night and had a vision of riding a White Unicorn. Very strong powerful. I was guiding it through the forest towards the light at the edge of the forest. I've never had this "dream" before.

I found this today while trying to understand th vision.

http://www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/magi...tma_chapt3.htm

The Wise truly say
That two wild beasts lurk in the forest:
One is beautiful, well-formed and spirited,
A great strong antlered stag;
The other is a radiant white unicorn.

Both lie hidden in the forest;
We call the man insightful,
Who can spy and catch them.

Here and everywhere the Masters concisely reveal
That two beasts move through the forest.
(Yet the forest must be understood to be one thing.)

First, to reach the root of all things,
Matter will be called the forest,
So shall we know and understand things rightly.

The Unicorn stands for Spirit
The Stag answers to no other name
Than Soul and none can deny it.

Now it is true that he, who by Art,
Knows how to tame them,
Leading them out of the forest,
Yet driving them close together,
Would be called a Master.

Such a man has found the Golden Fleece.
So now he may triumph,
and might govern over great Augustus.


Now it is important that you know
A Stag and Unicorn in the forest go.

Soul and Spirit exist in Matter

It sounding like it fits in with what you have been saying. So thought I would share.

Regards,

Initiate

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Hi Abraxas,

I was in a lucid state while meditating last night and had a vision of riding a White Unicorn. Very strong powerful. I was guiding it through the forest towards the light at the edge of the forest. I've never had this "dream" before.

I found this today while trying to understand the vision.



It sounding like it fits in with what you have been saying. So thought I would share.

Regards,

Initiate

Thanks for sharing Initiate.
As I've said, the Unicorn is the 'protector' of Virgo, the Goddess of the Harvest (Demeter parthenogenetic with Persephone, Goddess of the Fertility and the Underworld/Hades).

So the archetype of Virgo as a 'Maiden' engages the transformation of the Mother-Dragon (Demeter) into the Daughter-Dragoness WITHOUT fertilization by the maleness, this 'missing maleness' becoming the Unicorn.

But as Persephone, the Dragon-Rider can enter and 'rule' the underworld of Hades as Pluto's Concubine.

Then your dream signifies your 'initiation' of being able to now 'ride the dragons'.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by bigmo

Abraxas,

Was the recognition of the ' Christ Consciousness' as the transformation by humans from the 3D into the 4D the real 'truth' or foundation of Christianity?

Yes bigmo, I'd agree with that. The 'great experience' was the witness of the 'apostles' of the 'transfigured' Christbody, i.e. the change from 3D into 4D.
The witnesses then knew that it was 'truth'- after not before the 'resurrection'.
From this the 'inner circle' of the 'gnositic secrets' developed; but after Jesus was 'gone', as always, the 'one circle' became many and divergence ensued.
Paul so became 'reinitiated', but became misunderstood not only by the Jerusalem church, led by Peter and James, halfbrother of Jesus; but also by his Greek-Roman 'converts' due to his emphasis on the 'gnostic' Jesus of the 'secrets'.

Would this explain why anyone 'denying' or 'unless ye be born again' of the existence of the 4D would be prevented from entering into this dimension or 'heaven'?

It's the core of the human entity; which must become 'energized'.
This means no less than the human entity transforming into an energy source from its status of energy receiver.
Like a planet cannot shine for lack of internal energy source (fusion reactor of stars); so cannot the old human USE the ZPE of the Source/Logos.

Being able to generate and 'tap' the ZPE, which is everywhere in spacetime as the Heisenberg Lightmatrix say; will enable the New Human to 'shine like a star'. This is why it is labeled StarHumanity.

Is it because our thoughts and beliefs are the creation within a structure of archetypes so that if we create a denial, we have created that 'experience'?

Oh yes. It is all archetypes. Before there was the material universe; there was the metaphysical universe of archetypes. These are the ideal forms of Plato and of Penrose and some other Neoplatonists as the 'modern gnostics'.

Every thought you think is empowered by the metaphysical symbolism. Thoughts PRECEDE ALL material manifestation. Then emotional charging of the thoughts lead, over time, to the physical manifestation.

That is why the UFO-ET question appears to be so fluid.
Sometimes they manifest, or shapeshift and sometimes the fleet away in transparency etc. etc.
The ETs are as real as the 3D humans. It is the 3D reality which is a seedling CORE reality; say like the Acorn is for the Oak-Tree.

The Acorn is sprouting into Humanity is growing into ETness.

But the ETs are NOT independent from the humans perceiving them. Its the quantum mechanics of the measurement and the Schroedinger Paradox again.


Or is it something more esoteric within the laws of 12D physics beyond our reach but true non the less?

No, the 12D actually IS the 3D, but interwoven in the intensities (densities).

Peace

AA

[hippihillbobbi]

Abraxas --

SO Many Questions ..... SO Little Time! i guess it's cause every new answer begets another question thanks for continuing to be our wailing wall, AA .... you're a trooper!!

Ok here goes ..... think i'll start with the hardest (for me) first.

1) Re: the human concept of God, Creative Source, All-That-Is, etc. and our relationship with/to Him-Her/It -- it seems to me that since Jesus apparently related to the Source as Abba which supposedly translates as Da-Da, isn't the intimately personal relationship that this implies the most perfect template for a human relationship with its source? is this not mirrored in the Christian mystical traditions (and I imagine in many others) of the mystical marriage, e.g., Jesus-as-Bridgroom, as our Mother, etc.

2) Was the real Eve archetype (as redeemed by Lillith) "fulfilled" in Mary, Jesus' mother? just as the real Adam archetype (as redeemed by the new Eve) was fulfilled in Jesus? And if so, is it correct to assume that the "entity formerly known as Mary" may be called our Dragon Mother .... just as the entity known as Jesus is our Dragon Master (i realize that that Yeshuah was the perfected He-She and so also can be seen as our Master/Mother .... so then does it follow that Mary is our Mother/Master??)

3) Are you familiar with Julian of Norwich, one of my favorite mystics? "And All Will Be Well .... And All Manner of Things Shall Be Well."

4) What is the scriptural source from which you quote when you cite things Jesus says that are not specifically included in the "orthodox" canon?

thanks once again, AA, for all your time and patience with us!

hippihill

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

Abraxas --

SO Many Questions ..... SO Little Time! i guess it's cause every new answer begets another question thanks for continuing to be our wailing wall, AA .... you're a trooper!!

Ok here goes ..... think i'll start with the hardest (for me) first.

1) Re: the human concept of God, Creative Source, All-That-Is, etc. and our relationship with/to Him-Her/It -- it seems to me that since Jesus apparently related to the Source as Abba which supposedly translates as Da-Da, isn't the intimately personal relationship that this implies the most perfect template for a human relationship with its source? is this not mirrored in the Christian mystical traditions (and I imagine in many others) of the mystical marriage, e.g., Jesus-as-Bridgroom, as our Mother, etc.

Hi hillibill!

Yes, the ABBA is the same as PAPA or DAD and such cosy 'babytalk' in addressing the fatherhoods.
And this kind of understanding is all that is 'required' of the human relationship wirth respect to the 'God/Source/Creator' label.
Whatever 'terrible and crazy' notions of what 'God' is, has been promoted by the PTB; the simple answer is that Jesus 'got rid' of the OT archetype with 'His Father' called ABBA. The babies grow up (sometimes) in their mental maturities and so the DADA becomes DAD and so forth but never changing the intrinsic ABBA meaning.
The Swedish popgroup's popularity is not unrelated to tuning into a very simple, yet powerful archetype describing the NATURE of the Real God {Dancing Queen, Fernando, Mama Mia, Waterloo, etc.) - as the Father of Yeshuah.



2) Was the real Eve archetype (as redeemed by Lillith) "fulfilled" in Mary, Jesus' mother?
Yes, because Eve, being the 'rib' of Adam could not give birth to Adam.
Mary gave birth to Jesus, the New Adam, because Mary 'dared' to consider the 'Father of All' to be 'interested' in allowing Her to give birth to this New Adam and after 'Making Love to Mary' -in her juvenile imaginations and selfplay.

just as the real Adam archetype (as redeemed by the new Eve) was fulfilled in Jesus?
Indeed.
And if so, is it correct to assume that the "entity formerly known as Mary" may be called our Dragon Mother ....
Wow, YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

just as the entity known as Jesus is our Dragon Master (i realize that that Yeshuah was the perfected He-She and so also can be seen as our Master/Mother .... so then does it follow that Mary is our Mother/Master??)
Perfect gnosis or insight on your behalf. This is why I term Jesus/Yeshuah the Master-Templar of Thuban.
The StarHumanity means just this HeShe=New Man and SheHe=New Woman, the 'mastery' is a self-mastery not a 'lordship' over anyone or anything else.


3) Are you familiar with Julian of Norwich, one of my favorite mystics? "And All Will Be Well .... And All Manner of Things Shall Be Well."

Well there is a 'coincidence-synchronicity' between the 'visions' of Julian of Norwich and myself.
Her 'visions of Jesus' are said to have ended on May 13th, 1373 following her illness and my second physical encounter with an interdimensional being occurred on May 13th, 1985.

Anyway even the Benedictine monks are said to (sometimes) 'pray' not to 'Our Lord Jesus' but to 'Our Holy Mother Jesus' and so you might see how the old monastic orders sort of 'understood' the deepr 'gnosis'.
This deeper gnosis is shared by your favourite English mystic and myself as spokesperson of the Council of Thuban.

You have chosden your favourite mystic very well indeed in the Thuban relativity of things.


4) What is the scriptural source from which you quote when you cite things Jesus says that are not specifically included in the "orthodox" canon?

Yes, the 'master's handbook' is called the 'Gospel of Thomas' from the Nag Hammadi Codex and gnostic library, discovered from 1945 in Egypt.

thanks once again, AA, for all your time and patience with us!

hippihill

You are welcome hillibill.
Can you fathom, that you have a soul-connection to the English hermit of Norwich church of Julian?

Abraxas

[Malletzky]

Hi Abrax, the following excerpt from your answer to Julissa:

Julissa I am rather impressed with your logic and deductiveness. You basically understand the process.
You must have been to Thuban a number of times in your superluminal travellings.
The 3D earth will still be there, but instead of being all that is for the 3D perceivers; the 4D earth will have 'opened' 4D and so allow access for all those Terrans, which are able to RESONATE with the 4D energy realms.
The Shadow Earth is Earth itself, the mirror being the divide between the 3D and the 4D. Nibiru=Serpentina, the New Earth encompassing the Old Earth. There will be no poleshift geographically and there will be no celestial planet coming to earth to 'check up' on the 'silly humans'.
The poleshift is the 'turning inside-out' of the Gaian-Data collected over almost 26,000 years and the incoming 'ancient ones' is the message from Hunab Ku travelling from the center of the galaxy to the earth's center to TRIGGER the wormhole physics.

There so shall be TWO humanoid races inhabiting Gaia-Serpentina in the Old Humans unable to access 4D and the StarHumans who can access 4D.
Because the StarHumans will be like Jesus post the resurrection (yes, denying this and the Christ-Melchizedek agenda in the scriptural fulfilment sense will automatically keep one in 3D) and able to LEAVE 3D, say in walking through walls (the physics of this advanced quantum wave mechanics and in no way supernatural btw), many of the 4D Starhumans will often appear to the 3D humans as having disappeared.
Spacecraft and similar will also materialise from 4D into 3D in the corrollary to this.
The 'new' stewardship for the 'new earth' will take quite some time to manifest, but the basic structure of reality perception will change basically overnight. I will not elaborate on this for the present time, except saying that the StarHumans will have a lot of fun interacting with the 3D Humans.

and this article from Aluna Joy, titled "The Only Things We Take With Us"...

http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2009mar.html

where she describes a possible and different environment after we, as humanity (for those who'll be able) will access the new 4D...


...just triggered a new question, which I would like to ask here:

What happens with our memories, beliefs, thoughts, all archetypes...will the one who will access the 4D remember of this present earthly "life" ?

The reason I ask is that I've also read the Drunvalo's description of the process of the "changing environment" and the "life" in the new 4D, which is very similar to that of Aluna Joy.

thanks in advance, with much and respect
malletzky

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Hi Abrax, the following excerpt from your answer to Julissa:




and this article from Aluna Joy, titled "The Only Things We Take With Us"...

http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2009mar.html

where she describes a possible and different environment after we, as humanity (for those who'll be able) will access the new 4D...


...just triggered a new question, which I would like to ask here:

What happens with our memories, beliefs, thoughts, all archetypes...will the one who will access the 4D remember of this present earthly "life" ?

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

It's as simple as that malletzy; the 'ones found worthy in self-judgement' will leave their caterpillar cocoons as Butterflies into 4D.
The cocoons are 3D and so the ones who rather continue as caterpillars will remain as caterpillars in 3D.

There will be NO changes to the memory complex coupled to the 'souls' in any other form or manner. There will simply be two kinds of humans on the new earth; 3D old ones and 4D new ones.

The reason I ask is that I've also read the Drunvalo's description of the process of the "changing environment" and the "life" in the new 4D, which is very similar to that of Aluna Joy.

Yes the Aluna Joy dreams are factual. The truth you carry IS the constant both in 3D and in 4D and it is the RESONANCE with the Love-Vibration (not the lovey dovey New Age version in general, but a rational energy felt with the mind) - spanning all dimensions.
What Aluna failed to realise however that the 4D MEMORY will COMPLEMENT the Old 3D MEMORY, not replace it. The 4D New Memory will sort of be like a totally New Memory, based on the 'truth-constant'.
And the 3D MEMORY will NOT disappear, but become a CORE Memory for the 3D expression of the 4D reality.

Can you see it now? The Starhumans will be able to 'walk and live' in TWO worlds, whilst the Humans will remain nrestricted in the 3D until thyey themselves DECIDE to 'take the steps' into the mirrors of the selfhood.

It's what you do every night, when falling asleep - you enter 4D dreamworld from 3D waking world.
After the change, the old dreamworld will be like a new 4D reality and you will be AWAKE when entering it.



thanks in advance, with much and respect
malletzky

No problem my dear friend!

Abraxas