Urgent Help Protect Our Children

[sirena]

Exchanging of pornographic images of children is conducted across statelines on a daily basis. The problem is enormous. So overwhelming is the activity that there aren't enough operatives, computers, etc to conduct stings and investigations to catch the thousands and thousands of predators. This a national problem as well as a local one.

States get funding for weather related emergencies because need exceeds whats available locally. Need exceeding what is locally available is also true for the situation handling predators who exchange child pornography over the internet and the local yokal pedophiles across the nation soliciting children via internet (from state to state). Children are a much higher priority in my opinion.

85 billion of our tax dollars are being used without permission to bail out AIG but people don't think spending money to prevent babies & toddlers from being raped at an alarming rate is more worthwhile. Its apparent to me what forces are at work.

Its apparent to me that no one who posted here has been molested personally nor have had their children molested/raped

One of the reasons why the corrupt have been able to get away with so much is lack of public participation. Being dumbed down like passive sheeple is a root problem. We need to let those profiting from our tax dollars know we are not going to lie down and play dead out of fear, but instead act awarely according to conscience and to the benefit of our individual and collective well being

[arcora]

Originally Posted by sirena

Exchanging of pornographic images of children is conducted across statelines on a daily basis. The problem is enormous. So overwhelming is the activity that there aren't enough operatives, computers, etc to conduct stings and investigations to catch the thousands and thousands of predators. This a national problem as well as a local one.

States get funding for weather related emergencies because need exceeds whats available locally. Need exceeding what is locally available is also true for the situation handling predators who exchange child pornography over the internet and the local yokal pedophiles across the nation soliciting children via internet (from state to state). Children are a much higher priority in my opinion.

85 billion of our tax dollars are being used without permission to bail out AIG but people don't think spending money to prevent babies & toddlers from being raped at an alarming rate is more worthwhile. Its apparent to me what forces are at work.

Its apparent to me that no one who posted here has been molested personally nor have had their children molested/raped

One of the reasons why the corrupt have been able to get away with so much is lack of public participation. Being dumbed down like passive sheeple is a root problem. We need to let those profiting from our tax dollars know we are not going to lie down and play dead out of fear, but instead act awarely according to conscience and to the benefit of our individual and collective well being

And you believe this because a billionaire with a television show said it's true?

I haven't been molested or raped. Neither have my children. When they're old enough to go online, I will configure their computers to only allow educational sites. That's called parental responsibility.

I don't expect or want the federal government to keep my children safe. That is my job.

[sirena]

arcora wrote:

And you believe this because a billionaire with a television show said it's true?

Talk about being out of the loop. Its fine arcora if you don't want help or feel the need for it. However there are millions of children who are vulnerable and many people crying out for the help.

I am sure many of the MK-Ultra survivors wish someone stepped in to help them when they were children.

I believe the thousands of child victims of abuse, their torn and battered and sometimes lifeless bodies. I believe the law enforcement and volunteers who work tirelessly trying to eradicate the problem. I believe the heartbroken parents of children who have gone missing, have been violated and sometimes killed by these horrid perverts. I believe the people who have to perform reconstructive surgery on these child victims. I believe the medical professional who have to treat children who have contracted venereal diseases from their attackers. I believe the mental health professionals and social workers who treat them. I believe the thousands upon thousands of videos, photos and computer images taken of these child victims.

These demonic pedophiles can be found in every walk of life, seeking out new victims everywhere, sharing photos of there sinister acts on the internet. They are ministers, priests, teachers, doctors, dentists, neighbors family members everywhere. They stalk children at schools, grab them off the street or from their own front yards or in their own homes. They are relentless. The laws to penalize them need to be much stiffer. There needs to be more resources to catch them.

Worst of all these sickos are aided by people who don't believe they exist and in particularly large numbers. They are aided by people who don't participate in actions to stop them. They are aided by those who only concern themselves with thier own children and no one else's.

We are either part of the solution or part of the problem. Directly or indirectly we become a force on either side. As for me I choose to be part of the solution.

Ignorance is neither bliss nor your friend. It is a tool of the enemy.

[Norval]

Sirena,
You are a twister of words and very inept at it.

Its fine arcora if you don't want help or feel the need for it.

Arcora did mention some very good advise.

If your local officials aren't doing their job and protecting children, demand your mayor
appoint a new Police Chief or elect a different Sheriff.

Please keep the Feds out of local issues.

Originally Posted by Norval

Sirena,
You are a twister of words and very inept at it.


Arcora did mention some very good advise.

Agreed... aswell Arcora is pretty intelligent, and good hearted... atleast this is what I can tell from his posts. So please watch your accusations... because you dont know anything about him.

[sirena]

I thought trafficking pornography across state lines was a non-local/federal issue. I thought a pedophile propositioning a child from another state makes it a crime involving two states meaning non-local.

[Norval]

Sirena, please see my post here.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...?t=2699&page=3

Now squirming, ,

[arcora]

Originally Posted by sirena

...these sickos are aided by people who don't believe they exist and in particularly large numbers. They are aided by people who don't participate in actions to stop them. They are aided by those who only concern themselves with thier own children and no one else's.

I am concerned first for my own children and for other children second. To imply that this makes me some sort of an accomplice is quite unfair.

My concern for other children manifests as being watchful in my neighborhood, keeping an eye on the neighborhood kids when I can - just in case their own parents aren't.

I teach my children right from wrong, I teach them to stay safe and I look out for their well being 24/7. If other parents would do the same, the pedophiles would have nowhere to turn.

If the unthinkable happens and one of my girls were kidnapped, raped and tortured, I would be the only one to blame. However, I hope that my local law enforcement agencies are also looking out for my children (and I believe they are).

This is the most local of issues. Parents need to take responsibility for their kids. Neighbors need to take responsibility for their neighbors. If we all keep those near us safe, the pedophiles won't have any pictures to share.

Begging the Feds to come in and bring money won't help to accomplish anything except to expand their power and expand their snooping ability.

For the record, I don't think Sirena is an alien - although I agree with Norvall that they are here. I do think that Sirena has bought into the hype and scare tactics which, when all is said and done, only move parents away from taking responsibility for their children's safety. Personal responsibility is the only thing that will eliminate this terrible danger.

PS: Thanks to Norval and Ocean Winds for the kind words.

[Norval]

Arcora said,

This is the most local of issues. Parents need to take responsibility for their kids. Neighbors need to take responsibility for their neighbors. If we all keep those near us safe, the pedophiles won't have any pictures to share.

Begging the Feds to come in and bring money won't help to accomplish anything except to expand their power and expand their snooping ability.

Great words. It is about community and neighbors.

[Phtha]

Sirena,

You seem to know about MK ultra, you seem to be aware of the atrocities committed by the powers that be in other instances. Yet you are asking the very same people to help you.

We need far less government in our lives, not the opposite. Look at whats
happened since they started helping us with every "problem" that we have.

It makes matters worse not better. Just look around, really... look.

I think stations like F6O6X6 news and media controlled Oprah has gotten you far more scared then you ought to be. I would start really looking into those "facts" that you posted.
Instead of relying on third party sources that make a living from fear mongering.

[sirena]

LOL won't my kids get a good laugh when they hear I am an alien

As well as being aware of certain back door behaviors exhibited by certain factions of our government. I am also aware not everyone working in government is part of the shadows.

There needs to be balance. Throwing out the baby with the bath water isn't helpful either. Not taking necessary action out of fear is also harmful. Corruption exists at the local level just as much as it does on the federal level. I have witnessed enough police officers, correction officers, detectives get convicted for for child sex abuse. No level is immune.

And while I commend those with good parenting skills and those fortunate enough to be in a position where they can keep their family close and safe. There are others who must work and often having 2 jobs just to keep food on the table. There are many who don't have good support systems. These parents cannot always be in a position to keep a watchful eye. Many children who have been molested are children whose parents who have taught them well. But the predators are quite sophisticated and know how to get around what the children have been taught. Lets not forget the predators are physically stronger.

At any point a child can be physically over powered & grabbed off the street in pushed/pulled into a vehicle in broad daylight just a few doors away form home. It has happened often enough. As children get older they are often allowed to go to friends homes and school by themselves. Predators even enter homes and snatch children as with Elizabeth Smart, Jon-Benet Ramsey and Polly Klaas. They were in their homes with their parents and taken anyway. How many parents see that coming. Out of the 3 girls I mentioned only one survived. We are not nearly as safe as we think we are.

I have dealt with law enforcement on this issue and they are often inept. Perhaps things are tamer in very small towns but in Urban areas its a much colder situation.

I guess experience changes perspectives.

I apologize for any false assumption I have made of anyone who posted. I will however reserve my right to my own opinion and respectfully choose to disagree

Peace Be With You

[sirena]

Save our children Please 1 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ifr3FC64M

Save our children Please 2 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I9Xtl7rYXQ

[Save our children Please 3 of 8

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Save our children Please 4 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVH44IDC5kw

Save our children Please 6 of 8

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Save our children Please 7 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjUj7eq43g

Save our children Please 8 of 8

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Save our children Please 5 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLmlTnrNvA

[arcora]

When is the last time the Feds solved a problem?

War on terror?

War on drugs?

War on poverty?

Now some are using the same fear tactics to garner support to initiate a war on pedophilia?

Preposterous.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by sirena

There are others who must work and often having 2 jobs just to keep food on the table. There are many who don't have good support systems. These parents cannot always be in a position to keep a watchful eye.

I have never met a family that needed two incomes to keep food on the table. 2 incomes for rent, electricity and food? It's a myth.

Most families that say they need two incomes have:
2 car payments.
Nice vacations.
Nice homes.
Trendy clothes.

While there may be some that need 2 incomes to eat, the majority do it by choice.

[sirena]

Originally Posted by arcora

I have never met a family that needed two incomes to keep food on the table. 2 incomes for rent, electricity and food? It's a myth.

Most families that say they need two incomes have:
2 car payments.
Nice vacations.
Nice homes.
Trendy clothes.

While there may be some that need 2 incomes to eat, the majority are simply neglecting their responsibility for some wordly luxuries.

Wow just Wow, where do you live?

I have known quite a few and they didn't have trendy clothes, nice vacations, and nice homes. In some cases the individuals did not own a home at all. In the case of some couples however they did have 2 sets of insurance payments & shop repair work bills for used cars. Or in some instances it was one new car and the other used. The new vehicle was not a luxury vehicle either just an average sedan. Lets not forget there are a lot of single parents who don't receive child support. As matter of fact when I was considering relocating to a safer area, what helped change my mind was that most people in the area had 2 jobs just to keep the basics going. I thought as a single mom I would never see my kids that way.

So many parents with children become homeless because the one salary can't cover everything. Its so sad.

But what do I expect, so far I have been accused of being an alien, and propagating a myth. I am wasting time. I've already provided an opportunity to get involved on an issue which is important to me. If some don't share my opinion thats there right to disagree and not participate. I recognize that everyone's life experience's are not the same. This also implies their viewpoints are not going to be the same. Its all relative

My intention was to effect a positive change for vulnerable, not pass down judgement on others parenting skills or lifestyles. period.

[arcora]

I live in South Carolina. The cost of living is very affordable here. Most families live a quality lifestyle on a single income.

I would advise anyone who is worried about becoming homeless because they can't afford to live in NYC or any other large metropolitan area to come on down.

I remember seeing a piece on CNN a few months ago. It was supposed to be heartwrenching but fell flat on me. It was about the poor homeless families who couldn't make ends meet on their meager incomes and were forced to live in their cars. In Santa Barbara, Calif. - One of the most expensive places in the country to live where the average home costs $1 Million.

Everyone has choices.

Those people could be living well here - but it's their choice not to.

[Norval]

By Sirena,

LOL won't my kids get a good laugh when they hear I am an alien

I would almost call this interchange a "classic" example.

Back on topic, keep watch over your kids, and your neighbor's kids. Be a part of your community as we are trying to be here on Avalon.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by arcora

I have never met a family that needed two incomes to keep food on the table. 2 incomes for rent, electricity and food? It's a myth.

Most families that say they need two incomes have:
2 car payments.
Nice vacations.
Nice homes.
Trendy clothes.

While there may be some that need 2 incomes to eat, the majority do it by choice.

Wow is right!!!!!! where have you been? you and norval are way out there!!!!! Have you never seen or been in a city? Let's say on the bad side of town? my god wake up! half the trouble is single parents working two **** ant jobs just to survive. They can't possibly watch they're kids like you can in your little comfortable world. Sorry but you're probably the same ones putting Henry Deacon on a pedestal! supposed whistle blower when the only thing he's been blowing is hot air!

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Wow is right!!!!!! where have you been? you and norval are way out there!!!!! Have you never seen or been in a city? Let's say on the bad side of town? my god wake up! half the trouble is single parents working two **** ant jobs just to survive. They can't possibly watch they're kids like you can in your little comfortable world. Sorry but you're probably the same ones putting Henry Deacon on a pedestal! supposed whistle blower when the only thing he's been blowing is hot air!

Living in a city is a choice.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by arcora

Living in a city is a choice.

My god you still just blow me away!!!!!!!!!! You think these people have a choice? That's like saying all the people starving in Africa should just move, I mean come on open your eyes, how blind some are!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Again, sorry but wake up. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

My god you still just blow me away!!!!!!!!!! You think these people have a choice? That's like saying all the people starving in Africa should just move, I mean come on open your eyes, how blind some are!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Again, sorry but wake up. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon.

Are you saying that someone is holding them hostage? That they can't move freely about the country?

We moved to South Carolina 1 1/2 years ago. By choice. We were in one of the most expensive parts of the country. If we were to stay there, both me and my wife would have had to work.

We made the choice to move to South Carolina so that we could afford to be home with our children. Our children are more important to us than our location.

Everyone has choice.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by arcora

are you saying that someone is holding them hostage? That they can't move freely about the country?

We moved to south carolina 1 1/2 years ago. By choice. We were in one of the most expensive parts of the country. If we were to stay there, both me and my wife would have had to work.

We made the choice to move to south carolina so that we could afford to be home with our children. Our children are more important to us than our location.

Everyone has choice.

again, total,total,blindness and ignorance, sorry but you should hear yourself talk!! Wow!

[Norval]

Dan, a friendly reminder, you are way off topic, not to mention going way out of line.

Your posts are familier in some strange way.

Back to Protecting Our Children is my suggestion, but that is only a suggestion. To all of us.

AMEN to that too Boogies

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by Norval

Dan, a friendly reminder, you are way off topic, not to mention going way out of line.

Your posts are familier in some strange way.

Back to Protecting Our Children is my suggestion, but that is only a suggestion. To all of us.

AMEN to that too Boogies

Why are my posts off topic in some strange way? explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree with you about the government not getting any more involved but the blindness of yourself and arcora blow me away, again you think some people have a choice? wake up, not everybody can watch their kids like you guys seem to think.(can you say silver spoon)

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

wake up, not everybody can watch their kids like you guys seem to think.(can you say silver spoon)

Dan,

You don't know me. Everyone who does would laugh hysterically at the idea that someone - anyone - believes that I had or have a silver spoon.

My family is of very modest means. We make choices some would consider crazy but suit our values. We could chase the almighty dollar (my wife has an education that could get her a Big Time job on Wall St) but we don't.

Money isn't important to us. We have everything we need and don't want more. Family is important to us. Our children's upbringing, education and values are of prime importance. Those are the things we focus on. They are the choices we made.

It is hard for most people to unplug themselves from the pursuit of wealth. American society tells us all that success is measured in dollars. My viewpoints on this thread that you objected to were meant to point out that everyone in the USA has the same choices we do.

If they choose to live a lifestyle that prevents them from taking responsibility for their children that is their perogative. However, I object to exposing myself and family to more intrusions and snooping because of their choices.

You think I am blind or that I do not see. I believe I see very clearly. Unfortunately so many people don't see the choices that they do have in life and elect to relegate themselves to victim status - then beg for the government to help.