New Wilcock Interview

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by feardia

The whole thing is getting too incestuous and is becoming a nightmare of egos DW, Fulford, Deagle and Bob Dean (bless him) not to mention Burisch, Hoagland and Greer. ...there is a real danger that many are going to get led off the path by following gurus and false prophets.

Bob Dean is the only half believable one out of the bunch you mention, but if you've heard him once you've heard just about all he has to say. I have of late begun to have some doubts about him as I think there is some credence to the 'Victor' claims but my jury is still out. (shutters)

The rest easily fit into your 'guru and false prophet' classification.
Wilcock thinks 'googling' things and printing them out is actual research.
Fulford's bizzare claims and predictions have all been no-shows. (correct me if I'm wrong)
Deagle is a disgraced former doctor who has been struck from the medical register in Colorado.
Bursich is a total fraud of near epic proportions who was exposed by UFO magazine and George Knapp years ago.
Hoagland isn't a scientist even though he plays one on radio shows who used Google Master Wilcock as a research assistant.
Greer, whose original Disclosure Project got numerous people to expose themselves and violate their security oaths has gone 'native' and become enchanted by invisible aliens apparently only he (because of his superior evolved consciousness) can see.

At some point you would hope that people would tire of the faux-reality fantasies and discard the hoaxers and con-men that are so prevalent in Ufology and 'Paranormal' circles. There is some real truth to be found only sometimes you have to abandon your former false conclusions and pet 'stories' you've come to adore to accept them.

The history of Ufology is one of deception, confidence jobs, and disinformation agents (both official and free-lance) which are either attempting to eek out a buck from the rubes or prevent the truth from being realized by the public. I think the names above fall more into the 'free-lance' category although true agents like Richard Doty and William Moore must still be active in the community.

I have a feeling the truth (about the UFO phenomena) is stranger and potentially more unsettling than any of the tales the above people have dreamed up or told. But I could be wrong of course and make no claims of 'insider information' or special insight other than what my over 40 years of study on the subject has provided me.

[Shaynard]

Thank you very much for posting this and finding the interview (for me).

I love David.. No he's not the greatest musician but he's making music from the heart and thats all that really matters IMO. The music turned out really well, so clearly he does have some talent to go along with beautiful vision. Music is supposed to be about feeling after all.


In light, of love
Shaynard

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by Shaynard

Thank you very much for posting this and finding the interview (for me).

I love David.. No he's not the greatest musician but he's making music from the heart and thats all that really matters IMO. The music turned out really well, so clearly he does have some talent to go along with beautiful vision. Music is supposed to be about feeling after all.


In light, of love
Shaynard

Expression through music is an incredible thing that everyone should get the chance to feel. except through jazz!!

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I have a feeling the truth (about the UFO phenomena) is stranger and potentially more unsettling than any of the tales the above people have dreamed up or told.

Yeah, like what kind of unsettling, reptoids having us for dinner?

I'm interested to know if there is anyone you 'don't' consider a disinformation agent in these fields, trainedobserver...

I'm gonna bust a gut if you say Jim Sparks.

[burgundia]

For the second time today I agree with feardia...

[feardia]

Originally Posted by burgundia

For the second time today I agree with feardia...

[Jonah]

hilarious

[aroundthetable]

very funny feardia!! could start a new craze!! go on do it

[feardia]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

very funny feardia!! could start a new craze!! go on do it

Be your own whistleblower

[Firstlook]

Originally Posted by feardia

I have just been listening to DW, why is he talking so much about his skills as a jazz drummer? Why doesn't he just play a track and we can judge for ourselves how good he is.

When I first heard him a couple of years ago, I was impressed, he connected a lot of the dots which I had been trying to connect myself, and provided it in a slick presentation, but there was nothing original there, it was based on the mayan calendar, the work of nassim Harramein and others. Now he is still just repeating stuff that he picks up from the Internet, and worse he limits his information to PC witnesses such as Petersen and Fulford.

The whole thing is getting too incestuous and is becoming a nightmare of egos DW, Fulford, Deagle and Bob Dean (bless him) not to mention Burisch, Hoagland and Greer. This is going to get worse as the information starts becoming mainstream and as more people fall down the rabbit hole, there is a real danger that many are going to get led off the path by following gurus and false prophets.

Be your own guru.

As my own guru, I will not follow this request.

[Mark]

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/tech_default.asp

[eleni]

Kin- let's be careful now on Dr. Anderson- you and I could now be targets.


Dr. Anderson worked with late model Omega units.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by eleni

Kin- let's be careful now on Dr. Anderson- you and I could now be targets.


Dr. Anderson worked with late model Omega units.

Ok, I'll bite. What are they?

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Ok, I'll bite. What are they?

Lol trainedobserver, glad you asked!

In the meantime here is the thread containing kins reptilian experience.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...?t=6626&page=2

[hobbit]

Originally Posted by feardia

Feardia,
Thats a brilliant idea, maybe the best people to interview are the posters on here themselves.
most of the interviews now look more like ego trips by a series of people on a merry go round of interviews and speaking at confrences.
David wilcock seemed more involved with his own music than anything else.

It would be a great step forward to actually see some of the posters on here better explaining themselves under interview, than all of this A list celebrities who are becoming a circus, imo.
hobbit

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Originally Posted by feardia

Feardia!

LMAO!!!

Luana and I are sitting here laughing our arses off!

DO IT AGAIN DO IT AGAIN!


Make another one you are quite talented at giving Camalot interviews!

:thum b_yello:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

HAHAHAHA

still funny!

[Oliver]

LOL, Feardia, LOL!

[mntruthseeker]

OMG Feardia that was hillarious You got it right though

Dont trust anyone

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Yeah, like what kind of unsettling, reptoids having us for dinner?

I'm interested to know if there is anyone you 'don't' consider a disinformation agent in these fields, trainedobserver...

I'm gonna bust a gut if you say Jim Sparks.

I don't place a lot of weight on tales of 'reptilians' or 'reptoids' myself.

And I think I've miscommunicated. I don't think any of the people listed are actual governmental 'disinformation' agents. The only two I know of for sure worked for the government, since they confessed, is Richard Doty and William Moore. With the exception of Dean I think the rest are opportunistic con-men who don't believe a thing they are saying mixed in with some who are misinformed and deluded who cannot differentiate between fantasy and reality. While there is a documented history of government infiltration and control of UFO study groups and the dissemination of misinformation and disinformation by them at this point in time I don't think it is any longer necessary. Why should they bother? The UFO community readily embraces proven frauds and hoaxers with open arms and fails to give alleged informants and whistle blowers the scrutiny one would give someone trying to sell you a used car!

While Jim Sparks has an interesting story and I've listened to him tell it several times, I have never read his book. I do think a great deal of his story matches up with other abductee/experiencers unlike say the Rutter/Reed story for example. But that really doesn't mean anything. Practically all elements of his story existed elsewhere beforehand. I don't by any means take what any abductee/experiencer/contactee says at face value but I think they are worth listening to and considering especially when patterns are evident.

Who do I think are giving honest efforts even though I may not agree with them on all points? Richard Dolan, Stanton Friedman, David Jacobs, Karla Turner, John Mack, Jacques Vallee ...and there are many others.

Good books I'd recommend.

• UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973 by Richard M. Dolan
• UFOs and the National Security State: The Cover-Up Exposed, 1973-1991 by Richard M. Dolan
• Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults by Jacques Vallee
• REVELATIONS: Alien Contact and Human Deception by Jacques Vallee
• CONFRONTATIONS: A Scientists Search for Alien Contact by Jacques Vallee
• DIMENSIONS: A Casebook of Alien Contact by Jacques Vallee
• UFOs, the Secret History: by Michael Hesemann

"Yeah, like what kind of unsettling ..." The kind of unsettling that causes whoever encounters the real truth to agree that it should never be told to the public. The kind of unsettling that says everything you think you know is framed by an invisible incomprehensible truth you cannot readily perceive and may never fully realize. It is the kind of unsettling that causes the mind to retreat, reject, and obfuscate the truth from even itself. Weirdness and strangeness of the highest order. ...or something like that.

The badly written science fiction that many of the alleged whistle blowers peddle is actually recycled B-Movies and T.V. science fiction plots. I surprised more people don't call them on it.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Who do I think are giving honest efforts even though I may not agree with them on all points? Richard Dolan, Stanton Friedman, David Jacobs, Karla Turner, John Mack, Jacques Vallee ...and there are many others.

Sounds like quite the elite group there, but other than selling books, attending conferences, doing interviews, and "scrutinizing" others in the same field, there is nothing that differentiates these people from the same argument you're making against the others like Wilcock, Greer, etc...

Matter of fact, if anyone is a disinfo agent, it could easily be argued and counter pointed that those same set of characters you mentioned above are the actual agents. Most or all of them have worked for the government, Friedman openly gloats about the number of places he's worked on classified projects, Vallee was involved with DARPA, Jacobs is a Uni-folk man pushing the 'alien threat' agenda with research only into any cases that involve a 'threatening' experience, and Dolan; while I think hes great and his book National Security State vol.1 is most certainly noteworthy, he himself has also been involved with Camelot and aligned with the same people you implicate are pushing disinformation.

Let me just say that I fully understand your appeal to credibility and totally relate, but there are two sides to every coin, and there isn't a post on the world wide web that can simplify and generalize the complex issues we face and continue to face on the ufology front. Not even ufowatchdog, who seem to think the world operates only in black or white.

My opinion is there has been evidence for multiple phenomena within the framework of 'ufos', the problem is every person wants his/her 'one explanation' for the entire phenomenon to be the right one. Vallee and Hynek explain it as interdimensional, Friedman is a classic Roswell proponent/greys-occupy-saucers from zeti reticuli, and then you have the Hopkins and similar mindsets focusing only on abductions. I'm no fan of Dan Burisch and never have been, but what makes his time-traveler explanation any less plausible than those with other theories.

Even the people who seem to possess the most honesty and credibility can hardly agree on anything, does that mean some or all of them are disinfo agents.

One thing I do agree with you, is a lot of people are indeed seeking attention, their fifteen minutes of fame, and they do want to make money off this, there a lot of deluded people and I am in no way denying 'that part' of what you're saying. But strictly in the context disinformation, Vallee or Friedman could easily be disinformation, and keep in mind that good people are often compromised, I happen to think this was the case with Greer after his disclosure project didn't quite make the headlines he was hoping for, and then he got older and started to think of just himself.

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Even the people who seem to possess the most honesty and credibility can hardly agree on anything, does that mean some or all of them are disinfo agents.

One thing I do agree with you, is a lot of people are indeed seeking attention, their fifteen minutes of fame, and they do want to make money off this, there a lot of deluded people and I am in no way denying 'that part' of what you're saying.

Great post Majorion!!

I have a question for everyone:

When the EGO is involved...what does honesty and credibility have to do with anything??

We are all human and warped by the white hot spotlight....Peace

[Reader]

Right on Trainedobserver, your telling it like is!

Personally, I like guys like Colin Andrews, Patrick Heron, Tom Horn
Lloyd Pie, WB Stewart and others, who actually do their own research

[aroundthetable]

You cant write a song thats never been sung

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

You cant write a song thats never been sung

Excellent point that really hits home on this thread.