Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please!

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Did you read the article? Obviously not. Put the crack pipe down.

Uhm, yeah, I read it. So?

Turn on your thinking cap for a second. "Disinfo Agent" would mean Greer is working for TPTB. For the most part, they want the UFO issue kept out of public view. Failing that, they want all people who have seen UFOs to be viewed as nut cases. And, they want people to be afraid of ETs if they do happen to believe in them. Is there another "disinfo" story line where Greer plays a part? Who does he work for? How does this article say anything about any of that? Not at all, as far as I can see. In fact, it seems to be placing Greer in the position of another UFO nut case who is only interested in money. A routine smear job. Worse things have been said about the man.

Techniques I learned at CSETI produce results, and for me that is a profound and exciting thing. In that respect, I can say Greer is not a fraud. I have nothing to say about any of his other dealings.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Jnana

...Techniques I learned at CSETI produce results, and for me that is a profound and exciting thing. ...

Your cult-like devotion to Greer is obvious. Hopefully others will not be drawn into his fantasy world by your ...example. Greer is one of the worst things that has happened to Ufology in quite a long time and the evidence is out there for those with the where-with-all to process it. The study of Ufology reveals many such cult figures in its past.

The parallels between UFO cults and religious cults are very revealing and an equally absorbing study. You would find Nick Redfern's new book Contactees illuminating. I certainly wish you no ill will. But at some point you will have to face the reality of the situation ... or perhaps not. Good luck.

[PilotSimone]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Your cult-like devotion to Greer is obvious. Hopefully others will not be drawn into his fantasy world by your ...example. Greer is one of the worst things that has happened to Ufology in quite a long time and the evidence is out there for those with the where-with-all to process it. The study of Ufology reveals many such cult figures in its past.

The parallels between UFO cults and religious cults are very revealing and an equally absorbing study. You would find Nick Redfern's new book Contactees illuminating. I certainly wish you no ill will. But at some point you will have to face the reality of the situation ... or perhaps not. Good luck.

And when all else fails, accuse them of being cultists.

Thank you for being obvious about your intent here.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by PilotSimone

And when all else fails, accuse them of being cultists.

Thank you for being obvious about your intent here.

My "intent" is to get as many people as possible to avoid be taken in by such charlatans. My "intent" is for Ufology to crawl up out of the gutter of irrationality and purge itself of the role-playing fakes that clutter the field. I have no delusions that I will be in the least bit successful however.

Having been a long time member of a religious cult myself I recognize the pattern and it is there regardless of how strongly it is denied.

[tone3jaguar]

Trainedobserver,

have you ever gone and seen for yourself if the stories about calling in ET using the CSETI protocols are real or not? Or are you just pulling assumptions out of thin air based off of your own universal paradigm. From what I can see that is exactly what is happening. Perhaps you do not want it to be true that our consciousness has the power to reach outside of ourselves and communicate with spiritually advanced societies? Maby that would smash the comfort zone you are living in?

I like you had my doubts. I had already experienced some extremely unbelievable paranormal things happen in my life. So I went to one of the CSETI outings to see for myself if it was real or not. I tend to base my opinions upon evidence, not conjecture. Sometimes that evidence I use to form my opinions is fuzzy to some poeple. However, as long as I have learned to trust it I integrate it.

I was lucky enough to be living within a few hours of Asheville N.C. last year and went to the one day event there. Let me tell you, either Greer is the master of illusion or he is the real deal. We had all kinds of contact and we where only a few miles outside of Asheville. There where multiple people there with night vision scopes. During and after the protocol meditation, there where light orbs floating all around the group. I could see them without the night vision, but most could not. However on the night vision they where like something out of a special effects movie.

Independent people brought there own radar / laser detectors and these little off the shelf devices became interactive with what people where sharing they experienced during the meditation. Explain how out in the middle of a peice of farm land that multiple independent radar / laser detectors are going off on different bands of radar or laser at different times?

Not only that we had a craft fly overhead of the group. It was very high up in the upper part of the atmosphere. However, it was brighter than Venus and made an angular turn at what was probably at least a thousand MPH if not more. Then suddenly it went dim and turned into what looked like a normal aircraft with blinking lights on it.

Also multiple people saw the holographic image of a being emerging from the edge of the tall grass at the edge of the field. One person even caught a frame of it on their camera. It was not in your face, but there was something there. We also had a cloaked ufo strobe and interact with the lasers about 30 degrees off of the horizon multiple times.

After you experience stuff like this, you tend to have a paradigm shift and begin to understand why there is so much smear stuff posted about Greer. It is not a cult for the simple fact that Greer tells all of the people he trains that they should do it on their own and that he does not have to be around to get results. He also tells people not to follow him because he is no more special than anyone else.

Do your research and stop making assumptions that protect the box you think in.

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

My "intent" is for Ufology to crawl up out of the gutter of irrationality and purge itself of the role-playing fakes that clutter the field.

One of the best works in the field that I have seen is Richard Dolan's series of books on "UFOs and the National Security State". Besides documented sightings, he discusses the various mechanisms put in place to manage the cover up. Among these mechanisms is infiltration and control of civilian UFO organizations. Dolan provides references and names names. All civilian UFO organizations are infiltrated and controlled to some degree. Greer has stated that this is his reason for staying separate from the rest of the field. I met a fellow who was a Mufon field investigator many years back. He related an incident where one of his superiors in Mufon fabricated a balloon, launched it, and then used that as an excuse for labelling a very good case report as a hoax. I know of a lady who recently reported a sighting to Mufon and made the mistake of saying that it was the result of using Greer's protocols. The case report was promptly deleted. Evidently CE5s are not part of the approved Mufon message.

I fail to see how denying entire classes of phenomena is "rational". A truly curious person would investigate, even if such phenomena challenged his or her notions of what is real and possible. At one time, talking about landings was not considered "respectable" and mainstream ufologists avoided it. Talk about crashes and beings was likewise avoided. Over time, these things became accepted and now we have astronauts talking about such things on the record.

I'm not sure what aspect of Greer's protocols for establishing contact you would consider "irrational". Being a hard core atheist until just a few years ago, I have some ideas. I can certainly understand how any material for general publication would be in danger of being disregarded as nonsensical for talking about telepathic contact and such things. However, I personally am no longer able to deny that such things are possible. I'm an empericist - this is due to observation and experience, not belief.

If you dig enough, you will find that even the sciences are controlled to prevent the discovery of certain things. The real nature of gravity is one of those things. How do you UFOs move silently, going from hovering to thousands of miles per hour at great accelerations? Field propulsion is not feasible with our current understanding of physics. Should that be used as a reason for denying observations of UFO performance?

I think you've nailed it, though. This is all very much about what we consider real and "rational".

[trainedobserver]

I've already posted enough on Greer. If folks still want to engage in his nonsense then so be it. I had no delusions of actually convincing anyone of anything. It is obvious to many serious researchers that Greer is a determent to Ufology.

The incredible amount of B.S. in what passes for Ufology has discouraged many serious investigators and caused them to abandon or consider abandoning the field. When they do all you will have left is the confidence men tickling the ears of the non-critical thinking general population.

The phenomena is real enough however I am almost convinced that it will never be understood because it does not want to be. The mystery and secrecy surrounding the phenomena is not controlled or owned by the government or any other human entity. It is owned and controlled by the phenomena itself. When this sinks into all of our heads we'll see a new wave of discouragement and abandonment I'm sure.

Light shows and "feeling special" about their "expanded consciousness" will keep the cultists and the deluded happy and the con-men clothed and feed but it will not led to open contact, any real information, or progress.

[tone3jaguar]

So I guess that is a no.

[Carol]

trainedobservor, meaning no disrespect, but for all we know about you personally, you could be a disinformation agent yourself out to smear anyone who is making progress with actual positive ET contact. Your name implies that you are trained as an observer. Who trained you? Where are your credentials? What were you trained to observe? Many of us here go by our real names with real photos and a means to check out our backgrounds. There is a spirit of openness that both Kerry and Bill wanted for the members of the forum as Bill really doesn't like false fronts that avatar names provide. I just like to know, who are you to make the kind of posts that you do? What is your level of expertise? How long have you been in the UFO field? What books have you read? Who in the field have you personally had conversations with to form the opinions that you do? What have you researched? In checking out your profile page I noticed you didn't put anything down about yourself at all. Why is that? What are you hiding or afraid of?

onawah, I very much appreciated your thoughtful post and do agree with you on many points. I too share some of the same questions.

Steven, c'est la vie. There is a difference between stating an opinion and outright slander. I reacted. However, I do agree that all of us here are after the truth and hopefully we'll keep an open mind for new information.

lisa, good on you. Your courage to stick up for your beliefs is admirable.

[Shaynard]

I consider "disinfo" to imply the person is aware what they are saying is not only not true, but is formulated to deliberately mislead people.

Whereas "misinfo" would be someone who believes what they are saying, but those beliefs are caused by that individual being given false information, or making a mistake in their own conclusions.

"Misinfo" happens all the time. It is not malicious. It's just part of our existence.

"Disinfo" is malicious, with the intent to mislead. This is not helping the world, it is self serving.

Greer a Disinfo agent?.. I have no idea. I do not agree with many of his conclusions, but I have also never felt he is deliberately spreading disinfo either. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it won't matter.. I just listen to him, I don't "follow" him. There is a very significant difference in my opinion. I listen to anyone who has something to say, otherwise my conclusions are based on limited information.

The idea, of a medical doctor giving up their practice to chase UFO's in order to gain money does not seem very logical to me.. However I can't totally rule it out either. People do some very illogical things at times.

In my heart I feel Greer is a good man. If he is giving disinfo then I suspect there is a much deeper motivator that money. Either way, I do not require Greer or Mufon or any other group or individual to convince me of anything.

I simply enjoy listening... You can learn many things, ( even from a disinfo "pusher", perhaps just not what they intended.) when you listen.


In light, of love
Shaynard

[onawah]

I'm glad to see this discussion continuing and becoming more clarified and refined!

It was late when I entered my last post and I was tired, so I forgot one point in answer to a point Carol made. She cited Greer's devotion to his wife and child, which she thought demonstrated that he could not have been responsible for the nude photos etc that he allegedly posted. While I still agree that it could well have been a clever smear campaign directed at him, I have to take exception to Carol's conclusion, because even actively gay men can also be very devoted to their wives and children.

I also forgot to point out the obvious,that in our homophobic society, when closeted gays admit to themselves that they are gay, it can be a huge, very fearful and stressful time, a time of earth-shaking change for them, leading to erratic behavior, change of loyalties, etc.etc. Becoming public and becoming actively gay can be an even bigger step and can also lead to unusual behavior, emotional breakdowns, etc. . So while I have no idea or real opinion about whether Greer is gay or not, the possibility does factor into the questions about his behavior. If he really is gay and is struggling with uncloseting himself, he certainly needs and deserves our support. If he is being the target of a smear campaign, he also needs and deserves our support. But I also don't really know if that's the whole story. Only time will tell.

I also believe he is a good man, but I think he's walking a very high tightrope, and that is what concerns me the most, not only for his sake, but because his reputation and stature in the Disclosure community has and will likely continue to affect the whole Disclosure Movement so much. If he is gay and is still trying to hide it, it may be why he seems to be uncomfortable in public circles of truth-seekers, who are pretty good at ferreting out secrets!. I would encourage him to Come Out then, because the cat is already out of the bag if that is true, and he will get support from the Disclosure Community if he places his trust there, and I doubt his sexual preference will affect his stature in those circles. If he's not gay, then I think it would be a good idea for him to state so publicly. Lying or pretending like nothing is going on will probably just drag the whole thing on even longer.

While I do not agree with TrainedObserver on most points, I do share frustration about the lack of clear communication between our apparently benevolent Visitors and ourselves. No doubt most whistleblowers including Greer are frustrated too. How many years can one wage this battle and repeat oneself over and over again, continue to fend off the same old poisonous BS, disinfo and misinfo before there is enough definitive proof to allow us to move up to the next level of the work and finally see some of our long cherished goals accomplished? I think the strain has been getting to all of us, but I can imagine that for Dr. Greer, it could be magnified, as much as for those like Bob Dean and other venerable Whistleblowers who have been at this for an even longer time. Patience is certainly a virtue we have to cultivate to stay sane on this journey! I hope that what Dean, David Wilcock and others have been saying, that things are going to start shifting dramatically very soon, is true. It may still get worse before it gets better, but it feels to me like we've been poised on the edge of this precipice long enough.

I also think part of the challenge and responsibility for us is to grow into the more subtle energies enough so that we can all have the types of experiences that Tone3 describes. If we haven't achieved that as yet, it doesn't ring true to discredit those experiences that others have had or to assign value or meaning to them which we obviously cannot truly comprehend..

There are channelers, healers and psychics who are able to bring those energies through so that others may experience them in their presence, and I have experienced that many times. For some years now I have also experienced that kind of energy at times when reading some of the channeled information online, reportedly from higher dimensional beings, and have learned to differentiate between the ones that are giving disinfo or misinfo and the ones who are in touch with something or someone who is genuinely benevolent and far seeing (in my opinion, Lisa Renee is one of these—I see someone on these forums has been copying her messsages). I also like Aluna Joy and Tyberonn. That has helped me a lot in my healing process and in staying in touch with those energies that I believe our planet is moving toward.

For those like myself who don't have the wherewithal to go to Sedona, Crestone or Trout Lake for a CSETI field trip or something similar, and/or don't know how to summon a UFO, it's a pretty good substitute. I believe what these channelers are saying is true (and the Mayans who understand what their Calendar is really saying) that the lies and negative agendas that have been created on our planet will fall to the wayside as our solar system continues to move into a different alignment with the Great Central Sun. (Nassim Haramein has great info about this too- he's a treasure!) So I don't worry about our future, but I do want to play a part in the unfoldment and revealing of the truths which will help us all (and Gaia herself) to make the transition more smoothly and easily.

If we dwell too much on the past and what the negative forces have planned for our future, the possibilities for a bright future become dimmed in our minds, and we lose some of the power we have as individuals to be a conduit for those positive energies. The great thing about looking to the future and imagining how great it will be is that it helps disconnect us from those past agendas and puts us in a different playing field. We ignore the past to our peril, but we don't have to perpetuate it either. We create our own reality by what we focus on...

[Anchor]

I read some of this thread for the first time today.

I do see people not playing nice in this thread - so I guess the moderators have to work harder now.

For my own contribution to the debate - there are no facts that can be presented with sufficient clarity on a forum that will satisfy all of us. What we have here is the grey area (no pun intended) of "testimony" and its worth remembering that each of us on this forum is allowed to present that and should be able to do so without fear of ridicule, but that does not always seem to be happening.

You were all born with a 100% accurate B******t meter inside you - you can all learn to use it with 100% accuracy but it takes work. Owing to the fact, that none of us have mastered this yet - or maybe some of us have - I dont know, I know I have not. Even if I had, on the forum its still my words and they can be doubted even if they contain truth.

So what we have left is debate and discussion. The moderators are not here to protect anyone or show favours. The moderators are here to see to it that "Avalon" proceeds according to the forum guidelines.

Many recent posters to this thread are encouraged to review thier approaches.

A..

[tone3jaguar]

Heated debate is part of debate, there is no avoiding it. These are sensitive topics, it is going to happen. It is a natural healthy part of the process of learning.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Heated debate is part of debate, there is no avoiding it. These are sensitive topics, it is going to happen. It is a natural healthy part of the process of learning.

I agree, so long as people can stay respectful, I say why not let it all out.

My opinion of Greer is that he started out well enough with good intentions before and up to his disclosure project in 2001, but you know what they say; the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I think Greer lead himself to the point of today, which is not really that different from many of the figures in this field, its a very common thing, you know, they get old, their accomplishments start feeling like failures, they have nothing new to say in interviews so they make stuff up, they will have already tried living with integrity but usually end up broke, so they do what most everyone else is doing, try to make money and join the community of alternative entertainers who are just full of stories to tell.

Unfortunately this has a counter effect in that tarnishes the previous good and serious work that he/she/they became renowned for.

Mr. John Lear calls it "UFO disease".

However I do believe that a percentage of those CSETI expeditions do result in genuine ufo sightings, I've met more than one person that confirmed this for me, not including Jnana here at Avalon, who I also definitely believe.

Dr. Greer is neither a disinfo agent nor a 100% completely pure man, he is somewhere in the middle.

[Carol]

To be perfectly frank, discussing anyone's sexuality on this forum in my personal opinion is offensive. Should we now discuss Kerry's and Bill's sexual preferences? What about the moderators or other members here ~ do you think they might be gay?

What people fail to note is that this forum is about finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions. It is not about smearing someone without having the facts... and even if there were facts, sharing someone's personal sexual preference isn't a topic appropriate for this forum - ever!

Personally I would like to see all posts related to Greer's sexuality deleted. It isn't anyone's business and these types of topics should be banned.

[Agape]

It's just that everyone simply can't be'' Dr Greer'' ? Have you noticed that ? Not everyone can be ''Ashayana Deene'' either . Problem ? 500 $$ to get there ?

The being you call that and that name , has special talents and above that, he trained himself in those talents ..
not everyone has the same dispositions, constitution, type of intelligence , so, as much as you can train people..
they may not be of any use for this.

ET contact is something you have to be introduced to by ETs, so far.

By that I'm not implying that these people are any better than other people, no but they were forced to accept a role.

We all have a role to play in this drama , the rest depends on timing .

I'm not sure whom am I addressing but need to say , follow your own selves , realize your uniqueness, train yourself . Find your role that perfectly suits your knowledge...pay with real life values .If you mean it , else rather don't pay . People are being misused because of misunderstanding.
You can't get enlightened for 500$$ , you can't get ET contact for that much either , unless it's the last thing you have ..
unless it's the only thing you want , and beware of false promises..
look back and see you have families people and can't take them all to Andromeda so what to do now..see my point ?



Bow to the universe is an arrow


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[lisa]

onawah, looks like you think about Greer a lot.

Originally Posted by onawah

If he's not gay, then I think it would be a good idea for him to state so publicly.

You pondered about Greer's sexual preference many times, so hope this puts your curiosity to rest...
Greer loves women. You practically have to wrestle yourself away from him if you are a woman.
I feel sorry for his wife.

Greer mentioned that he intuitively know what people's health problems are and he can heal sickness.
I know people who are like that (my mom included) and he is not one of them.
In fact, a lot of people got sick in the CSETI course I attended.
Makes me wonder whether he is really an ER doctor.

[Agape]

He does not pay any attention to this is all i can whisper to you...



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[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by lisa

Makes me wonder whether he is really an ER doctor.

He was the Head of Emergency Medicine at the main hospital in Asheville. So I guess that because he could not spontaneously heal all of the discomforts of those you where on the CSETI outing with that this proves he is not a healer. Pretty big jump if you ask me. I am a healer and I only heal those who ask for me to heal them. I don't go out with a healing shotgun and fire it at people who are not asking for help.

[onawah]

Thanks MP2 for your comments. It's really nice to find resonance with others on this forum, in a similar space to my own.

Lisa, thank you for what appears to be personal experience with Greer, the second I have seen on this thread so far.

I have been very concerned about this topic for several reasons, but not because I have a personal interest in Dr. Greer, which seems to be implied. He represents for me an important and rare interface between the Disclosure Movement and the mainstream who still have a big “need to know” when it comes to Disclosure. There are only a few people, like Dr. Edgar Mitchell, for example, who have the necessary fame, credentials, and are able to command the respect necessary from the mainstream (and the media) that is necessary to help bring about Disclosure. Dr. Greer is less well known to the public, but the connections he has in government, military, scientific and other circles, and the fact that his activities are closely monitored, and that he has been the target of psycops --indicates that the work he is doing is important and far reaching, and the PTB obviously show thereby that he is perceived as posing a threat to their agenda and is capable of helping people to “wake up”.

On the issue of sexual preference, I have had close friends who have “come out” and friends who haven't, and so I do have personal experience of how painful either scenario can be. If Greer has just been a target of a smear, then I'm relieved, because that should be much less of a problem for him, his family, etc. and should also mean fewer strong negative repercussions on the Disclosure Movement itself. Had that porno webpage actually been his doing of course, then the problems could be much more serious. Hopefully it is just a tempest in a teapot.

I think it's very appropriate that this discussion takes place here on the PC forum, and I hope it comes to the attention of Bill especially, because I think he and whoever repeated the rumor to him should have investigated further before validating it, and now that we have some forum members coming forward with personal testimony, I hope Bill will look further into this matter. An apology might also be in order to Dr. Greer. I'm not sure how that could be accomplished—perhaps a note to a Moderator?

I was not impressed, but saddened by the PC/Greer interview. Kerry was very aggressive, and Greer was obviously resentful of being grilled and was arrogant in his defensiveness. Greer's discrediting of PC obviously had put Kerry on the defensive also, and Greer's apology wasn't very convincing. I can understand why he thinks that the focus on the negative on PC has been counter productive. It would be good if some of these differences could be resolved. Neither the Disclosure Project or PC are operating in a vacuum, and there is a connection here, however independent they may seem. However much agreement and harmony can be achieved would be for the good of all.

Hopefully in the end this can all be chalked up to a very thought provoking and instructive learning experience...

I agree that PC's vetting process appears to leave something to be desired. They have some of the very best stuff on the Net, but some really dubious testimony as well. I think if they would find some good connections with genuine shamans, psychics, channelers, healers, etc. it would help them to get better guidance and make better connections, so they would not have to be living by their wits so much, and the quality of their information would most probably improve. (At the same time, I think we all owe them a huge debt of gratitude for taking on this project in the first place, which has taken a lot of courage and fortitude.)

I don't agree at all that nothing has changed. It's happening slowly and so may not be obvious from a subjective view, but when I look back from as objective a space as I can reach in my mind, I know that I am a much different person than I was 5 years ago, and certainly 10 years ago, and the world is a much different place too. The new generations that haven't come into their own yet are still an unknown quantity, but I think just their presence here, with their upgraded DNA, is HUGE. Like Obama, I think they are just biding their time, knowing that change is inevitable and cannot be stopped. They are taking a different approach to change than my generation did; we went at things in a much more head-on way, and paid the price. It's largely a waiting game at this point, I think. Learning to relax and enjoy the ride is an important part of the process, but it doesn't mean we can neglect what needs to be done, either.

I like the Native American symbol of the “God's Eye”, which reminds us that while things may seem to change very slowly form our view, from the cosmic perspective, things are happening right on schedule, and largely for reasons which we cannot fathom.

[Carol]

Very nice onawah... I agree with much of what you have to share here. And you are correct in your assessment about many of us waiting and watching... at one level. The other level is that we are also moving forward at a much quicker pace as some of us are connecting to get the word out.

For example, we're working on a major conference for 2011 with contactees, those folks who are in contact and sharing their experiences via various mediums. It would be fun to get George Noory as the keynote speaker and have Greer there too. Anyway, we are in the planning stages and lining up folks who are interested in participating in something like this.

Cseti has some newly released photos at this link. http://www.cseti.org/reports/joshuatree09pictures.htm

[onawah]

[QUOTE=Carol;241142]Very nice onawah... I agree with much of what you have to share here. And you are correct in your assessment about many of us waiting and watching... at one level. The other level is that we are also moving forward at a much quicker pace as some of us are connecting to get the word out.

For example, we're working on a major conference for 2011 with contactees, those folks who are in contact and sharing their experiences via various mediums. It would be fun to get George Noory as the keynote speaker and have Greer there too. Anyway, we are in the planning stages and lining up folks who are interested in participating in something like this.


That's great! The more conferences the better. Do you know yet where this Conference be held? All these conferences being taped and shown on the Net has certainly helped to create a feeling of much greater optimism, unity and connection with the rest of the Disclosure community, for me at least, and I imagine for many others. My biggest challenge has been tearing myself away from my computer, with all that's been going on...

I would love to see Greer, Kerry and Bill reconciled and all together on the same stage, enjoying and supporting each other.. The love and support that I have seen displayed at most of the events from last year among the presenters was very heartwarming. More please!!

[justpeter]

Firstly, I apologise for not reading all posts in this thread but I've read a lot of them and here is my take on the "negative aliens" debate.

I think Greer and Kerry and Bill are talking at cross-purposes on this subject and I don't think the way to resolve it was to have Bill and Kerry sitting on either side of Greer, both talking at him at the same time.

Okay, this is what I think both parties are saying. Greer is saying that when an alien race becomes so technologically advanced that they can travel the universe then they are subject to moral/spritual limitations which means they wouldn't be allowed to go and destroy another race. Even if they could or would, some other advanced alien race or council of races would stop them. Therefore, he says the idea of negative aliens coming to harm us is disinfo.

On the other hand we have Kerry and Bill who subscribe to the Law of One channelled information - http://wiki.lawofone.info/index.php/Main_Page which states that there are positive beings, "service to others" and negative beings, "service to self". Therefore, an alien race that is "service to self" could come here, negotiate with the powers-that-be to get what they want from us in exchange for what the PTB want, and they could say to the "service to others" aliens who are watching, "look, these humans are agreeing to give us what we want therefore everything is fine over here".

So when Kerry and Bill were arguing with Greer, it seems to me that Greer was saying no alien race would come here and wipe us out (correct in my opinion) and Kerry and Bill were saying there were negative aliens who could do us harm in some way (also correct, in my opinion). Neither side seemed to understand they were talking at cross-purposes. When someone mentioned "service to self" it seemed to me that Greer looked puzzled, as though he hadn't come across this term before, yet no one picked up on this. They should have told him they weren't talking about aliens wiping us out with an invasion force, there are other ways for negative aliens to harm us. We elect the PTB, they do deals with the aliens which negatively affect us, and the aliens can say that we have agreed to it. Why didn't Kerry or Bill explain this to Greer when he was saying they wouldn't come here to blast us with their weapons?

All it takes to resolve this, in my opinion, is some simple, calm, effective communication between the two parties.

[jaby]

Very nice post justpeter. Cheers.........

[justpeter]

Thanks jaby. I'll relax now