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Old 02-28-2010, 02:15 AM   #1
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From my perspective,

Truth is spherical. Non-linear.

As soon as we try and fit Truth in a linear understanding, it's a belief. Beliefs are our prisons. Truth that sets us Free is in Being, not believing.

Mind over matter yes indeed, but not the believing mind or the thinking mind, rather the Being mind, the Christ mind that resides within us. I let the Father Mother within Be the doer and I and my Father Mother are One. Meaning: the thinker does not be, I do not do, I simply BE, Be ME ~ I will Be that I will Be.

For me, there is no outer teaching that is perfect. Whatever helps us have an a-ha moment is perfect. As soon as we turn an outer teaching into a belief, I suggest that it causes more harm than good generally speaking. Truth is BE-yond belief.

For me, revelations hides many Truths that will one day be much more exposed. But the bible is far from "God's Holy Word", rather it is the dead word. God's Holy Word is written in the Now in our Heart. It is the Living Word.

Whereas words on paper can inspire if we let them take us higher and seek the inner Truth, but more often than not imprison us in ego illusions as we are often blind to the inner and esoteric Truth behind the outer exoteric words. And of course, the bible that is available today has very little outer value, but yes much inner for those willing to read between the lines, as I would suggest most of the more empowering elements were removed long ago. The elite of the days did not want the true message of Christ: That we are all Christ Beings when we choose to Be, and the death, suffering and victim consciousness are all illusions of our own making that we can transcend by connecting to God within us and awakening to our True identity: Suns and Daughters of God.

Truth should be experienced. Truth is a River of Life, not a belief. Gnosis is the only Truth.

However, when we do have the experience of Truth, we must be careful not to turn it into another linear belief. The reality is, that Truth is infinite, and there are infininte different Ways of interpreting an experience. Whatever we 'believe' will color our experience, and often we will mistakenly 'believe' if only everyone else believed what we believe we expirienced, then the world would be fixed. However, the reality is, that the experience of Truth, Gnosis with it, eternally Now, is the only thing that will bring enlightenment and Peace to Earth. Beliefs are dualistic by nature. Truth is Being. So let us surrender to Truth and have our own internal experiences that help raise us higher into the Truth that sets us free

And it is great to share our experiences as well, as they help us all come up higher.

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Old 02-28-2010, 02:38 AM   #2
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From my perspective,

Truth is spherical. Non-linear.

As soon as we try and fit Truth in a linear understanding, it's a belief. Beliefs are our prisons. Truth that sets us Free is in Being, not believing.

Mind over matter yes indeed, but not the believing mind or the thinking mind, rather the Being mind, the Christ mind that resides within us. I let the Father Mother within Be the doer and I and my Father Mother are One. Meaning: the thinker does not be, I do not do, I simply BE, Be ME ~ I will Be that I will Be.

For me, there is no outer teaching that is perfect. Whatever helps us have an a-ha moment is perfect. As soon as we turn an outer teaching into a belief, I suggest that it causes more harm than good generally speaking. Truth is BE-yond belief.

For me, revelations hides many Truths that will one day be much more exposed. But the bible is far from "God's Holy Word", rather it is the dead word. God's Holy Word is written in the Now in our Heart. It is the Living Word.

Whereas words on paper can inspire if we let them take us higher and seek the inner Truth, but more often than not imprison us in ego illusions as we are often blind to the inner and esoteric Truth behind the outer exoteric words. And of course, the bible that is available today has very little outer value, but yes much inner for those willing to read between the lines, as I would suggest most of the more empowering elements were removed long ago.

Truth should be experienced. Truth is a River of Life, not a belief. Gnosis is the only Truth.

However, when we do have the experience of Truth, we must be careful not to turn it into another linear belief. The reality is, that Truth is infinite, and there are infininte different Ways of interpreting an experience. Whatever we 'believe' will color our experience, and often we will mistakenly 'believe' if only everyone else believed what we believe we expirienced, then the world would be fixed. However, the reality is, that the experience of Truth, Gnosis with it, eternally Now, is the only thing that will bring enlightenment and Peace to Earth. Beliefs are dualistic by nature. Truth is Being. So let us surrender to Truth and have our own internal experiences that help raise us higher into the Truth that sets us free

And it is great to share our experiences as well, as they help us all come up higher.



Why do you keep saying this in all of your posts?
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:04 AM   #3
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Why do you keep saying this in all of your posts?
Interesting question ~

In this case, I said: "helps us call up higher" by sharing non-dualistic experiences we receive, such as the one that 4Q529 shared, as they continually add to the puzzle of Truth.

When someone has a non-dualistic experience, and they share it, and then we hear of many other people's as well, we can start to put the puzzle together in terms of higher Truths. Most people, many people, have non-dualistic experiences, and when we share, we all learn a bit, we all come up higher. After that it all comes to interpretation which varies widely and generally ends up reinforcing a different 'belief' system in each one of us, but the Truth is beyond thought, beyond belief. So ideally, we each continue to seek and find non-dualistic experiences and in that way we do not form beliefs, rather we surrender to Truth.


If this "helps us all come up higher" has been used in other posts, it is because I believe it is now time for humanity to awaken to their own Divine nature and to the reality that God lives inside of us and provides perfectly for us, including our protection, fulfillment of needs, and highest inspiration when we connect to the Divine within us. However, it is not 1 or 2 people that need to move higher in consciousness now. It is all people. Earth is Ascending and each person must make shifts in their consciousness into the more interconnected empowered reality in order to make the shift.

So us communing here, discussing, being open to higher Truth's helps the whole as we shift our consciousness, we help shift Earth's collective consciousness which is what needs to happen Now.

~ Espavo ~ (<Lemurian for: Thank you for taking your Power)
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:20 AM   #4
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I believe it is now time for humanity to awaken to their own Divine nature and to the reality that God lives inside of us and provides perfectly for us, including our protection, fulfillment of needs, and highest inspiration when we connect to the Divine within us.

hear hear

Be Still and Know that I Am God



the world would be a pretty harmonious place

if not for

I Me and Mine

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Old 02-28-2010, 03:42 AM   #5
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Back in my primordial bible reading days, before I joined a group , when I did read the Bible I read it alone in the privacy of my home and respectfully and with a sense of connection. What I experienced is that whatever I needed to know for my own life at that time, well, the words would "light up" on the page and I would be "convicted". I wrote down those passages on a small card and carried it with me -- I meant business because I knew I needed higher guidance.

I can still recall some of those verses, for example, "God is light and within him there is neither darkness nor shadow of turning...", and my lifetime mantra is "All things work together for good...".

When Jesus said ye are my brothers and sisters, and you can do greater things... my heart soared. There are some Christian groups that would like to diminish that or even take that away from me !!???!!!
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:50 AM   #6
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Interesting question ~

In this case, I said: "helps us call up higher" by sharing non-dualistic experiences we receive, such as the one that 4Q529 shared, as they continually add to the puzzle of Truth.

When someone has a non-dualistic experience, and they share it, and then we hear of many other people's as well, we can start to put the puzzle together in terms of higher Truths. Most people, many people, have non-dualistic experiences, and when we share, we all learn a bit, we all come up higher. After that it all comes to interpretation which varies widely and generally ends up reinforcing a different 'belief' system in each one of us, but the Truth is beyond thought, beyond belief. So ideally, we each continue to seek and find non-dualistic experiences and in that way we do not form beliefs, rather we surrender to Truth.


If this "helps us all come up higher" has been used in other posts, it is because I believe it is now time for humanity to awaken to their own Divine nature and to the reality that God lives inside of us and provides perfectly for us, including our protection, fulfillment of needs, and highest inspiration when we connect to the Divine within us. However, it is not 1 or 2 people that need to move higher in consciousness now. It is all people. Earth is Ascending and each person must make shifts in their consciousness into the more interconnected empowered reality in order to make the shift.

So us communing here, discussing, being open to higher Truth's helps the whole as we shift our consciousness, we help shift Earth's collective consciousness which is what needs to happen Now.

~ Espavo ~ (<Lemurian for: Thank you for taking your Power)
Thank you for your explaination.......in my own terminology I would say, we all need to raise our vibration. Through meditation & paying attention to our ego mind, living an ethetical life, right livelihood, developing kindness & compassion towards ourselves & others is a good place to begin. There are no free rides, we have to do the work on ourselves to raise our vibration.
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Old 02-28-2010, 08:15 PM   #7
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Thank you for your explaination.......in my own terminology I would say, we all need to raise our vibration. Through meditation & paying attention to our ego mind, living an ethetical life, right livelihood, developing kindness & compassion towards ourselves & others is a good place to begin. There are no free rides, we have to do the work on ourselves to raise our vibration.
Yes, yes, yes, and I am changing mine more than I am concerned about making others change. I am also working on not maligning someone else's senior stable reality -- that would be spiritual immaturity on my part, an inability to see the whole trek of spiritual development. I apologize that I offended anyone with a hot headed remark.
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