Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon chat

[Sideshow Shaman]

This site has had a good run, but do not carelessly believe that it will last forever.

Download the information you need for reference. Get in touch with people you want to talk to. That is, communicate with them outside of Avalon not just through PMs & thread comments. Perhaps even, gasp, meet in person.

But still work to keep the forum alive too.

[josie]

Originally Posted by Sideshow Shaman

This site has had a good run, but do not carelessly believe that it will last forever.

Download the information you need for reference. Get in touch with people you want to talk to. That is, communicate with them outside of Avalon not just through PMs & thread comments. Perhaps even, gasp, meet in person.

But still work to keep the forum alive too.

you're absolutely right. and we need to say we care when we do and not keep putting it off. (just talking bout myself actually)

[metaw3]

Multiple threads here. I posted my reply there:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...081#post246081

[K626]

It seems pretty obvious to me that this site has drawn the attention of 'the dark side'. FWIW Bill was spot on about Heather and Abx. Both are clearly stalking horses and divisive distractions cooked up gods know who...


K.

[Carrie1971]

Originally Posted by K626

It seems pretty obvious to me that this site has drawn the attention of 'the dark side'. FWIW Bill was spot on about Heather and Abx. Both are clearly stalking horses and divisive distractions cooked up gods know who...


K.

I myself.... Can "get" that and it has had MORE THAN ONE dark side here from the start. When the "site went to pay to type" I thought oh well maybe that will keep it light. NO way in fact it got even worse.

Not to try and point out "cops" or other controler types but I just could not deal with it for a while there.

About the time Bill said "enough" to the radio station stuff was when it was really bad.

Sorry to see this happen. The love is lost. now it is about power.

Just do not let your soul get sucked into this mess.

[ellie]

Whatever.

[Anchor]

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[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by ellie

Just watch me get banned now.

Do the mods see how everybody is afraid of getting banned on this forum?

The forum has been ruined!

[Anchor]

You have said nothing but extremely negative things about this forum all day from what I've been reading - note how you are still not banned nor censured?

We have come a long way.

A..

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Anchor

You have said nothing but extremely negative things about this forum all day from what I've been reading - note how you are still not banned nor censured?

We have come a long way.

A..

Your point is well taken. Actually I do feel a little liberated.

However, I have also said some nice things.

Its really all about the truth, isn't it?

[Anchor]

mkspllmn: yes it is.

[Linda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ellie

Just watch me get banned now.

Originally Posted by mkspllmn

Do the mods see how everybody is afraid of getting banned on this forum?

The forum has been ruined!

I was going to say the same thing.

There is a serious problem here about FREE speech.

If anybody was paying attention, Kerry was fighting for it.....

[Ross H]

Originally Posted by ellie

This forum has never ever had free speech. Hells, bells and little fishes it just hasn't alright. If someone with the power here said ban, then it was after a count of three mods in agreement.

Would you stop with the Kerri bashing for crying out loud. THIS is what happened.

Bill stepped in and said for reasons I will not say he wanted the Thuban thread stopped, someone then complained to Kerri about that and she then took the action because she has been about free speech, and to let you make up your own mind about stuff.

And THAT is the darn truth of it.

Just watch me get banned now.



GET real.

Go on take the bloody post off now push the bloody ban button.

Morons.

EGO of some people are beyond a bloody joke.

You are invited to leave here and pursue another forum that fits your requirments if you so wish. One where there are no ego's, but you may find that hard, as I do not know of such a place, and, you will have to tone down your own ego in order to fit in.

I wish you well in your pursuit.

Ross H.

[Karen]

[QUOTE=ellie;246667]

This forum has never ever had free speech. Hells, bells and little fishes it just hasn't alright. If someone with the power here said ban, then it was after a count of three mods in agreement.

This forum has guidelines. It is not a free for all zone. #1 is being respectful - please click the link at the bottom of this post and read our guidelines. Despite Kerry's belief in free speech, the guidelines do now allow for absolute free speech. People are banned for refusing to follow the guidelines, not for some frivolous arbitrary reason. People get warnings in private messages and through the infraction system, not on the public forum. And we do not wish to make a public spectacle of it. Are we always perfect at this - heck no. Usually people are banned for being incredibly rude.

Would you stop with the Kerri bashing for crying out loud. THIS is what happened.

Kerry has her strengths and her weaknesses, as we all do. For the last year and longer, project Avalon was to be Bill's domain because of the difference in opinion. And we will not all have the same opinion on Kerry's actions. I was shocked, but not surprised by the forum closure, and it caused me a tremendous amount of work without any warning. It was me who insisted that a message be put up to let the members know what was going on. And that took quite some time to run it through Kerry's approval, while everyone was wondering.

Bill stepped in and said for reasons I will not say he wanted the Thuban thread stopped, someone then complained to Kerri about that and she then took the action because she has been about free speech, and to let you make up your own mind about stuff.

True and now we finally have the division of Camelot from Avalon which was started over a year ago, where Bill was to take Avalon and the forum so the mods were not constantly caught in the middle of their differences. Bill prefers the forum be like a private party in your home. Come on in and have some fun - but please respect the house rules or leave. nothing too strict, just common courtesy and don't trash the place.

The Thuban issue was the greatest divisive issue I have seen on this forum. There will be a new guideline to handle this type of situation.

And THAT is the darn truth of it.
Just watch me get banned now.

Go on take the bloody post off now push the bloody ban button.
Morons.
EGO of some people are beyond a bloody joke.

No name calling. I'm going to give you a pass on this one with a warning. I sense some deeper frustrations here and I send you love and healing. I'm also going to leave your attitude right there for all to see. This forum is about building new communities and a new society. You can respectfully complain. We do listen.

[Anchor]

There will be a new guideline to handle this type of situation.

Glad you bought that up.

As a suggestion, you could seek volunteers for a steering group to help with a balanced set of new guidelines. Just an idea for you to knock around. If there was one I would happily consider signing up and contribute when my life allows me to do so.

A..

[Céline]

Guidelines are great tools in reaching Goals..

May i suggest , a suggestion box type thread?

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Glad you bought that up. As a suggestion, you could seek volunteers for a steering group to help with a balanced set of new guidelines. Just an idea for you to knock around. If there was one I would happily consider signing up and contribute when my life allows me to do so. A..

Avalon 2.0 Forum - Member Suggestion Box
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=20583

Complaints/Rants
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=20585

[seeingterra]

Can someone from the chat administration please post Kerry's transcript as well?

Thanks

[kriya]

Life is so dramatic......................I LOVE PROJECT CAMELOT..........................

As a teacher I spent the whole of the 2008 summer holidays watching project camelot videos. I was in shock for three days after viewing the Dan buresh ones.

I hope this can be resolved.

Love,

Kriya

Originally Posted by kriya

... watching project camelot videos. I was in shock for three days after viewing the Dan buresh ones.

[listen2shim]

kriya:
I was in shock for three days after viewing the Dan buresh ones.
I hope this can be resolved.

@ kriya
Finally someone mentioned this piece of crap offered by Dan Buresh at the Zurich Conference…
And you just have seen part of it as most parts had been cutted out...
It should have alarmed everybody right at the first evening of the conference as this guy - acting as a whistleblower and Healer - gave statements like "Al Gore is a great man..." or - beeing asked about the swine flue scam then saying how important the vaccines are -showing he had now clue at all whats going on on this planet...

Interesting to note that his remote handler(s) could'nt handle the situation anymore when the crowd started to complain louder and louder about the Bul**hit he was talking about and quickly switched him into 'victim-mode' trying to get at least some symphaty from the first 5 rows of the 300+ audience.

When you saw Buresh on the street he just was a shadow of himself. Shoulders shrunken, look down, face ashy. But as soon he was entering the stage he acted like an ego-driven Know-it-all-I'm-here-to-help'-guy. The experienced eye even could 'see' the 'string of the puppetiers' who tryed to re-establish a burned out puppet of the PowerThatBe to an interested audience as a 'Whistleblower'...

I've seen this kind of remote handling thirteen years ago when I organized and moderated a workshop tour for a guy named Adrain who claimed to be an Plajadian 'Walk-IN' in Switzerland, Germany and Austria.

The same procedure there: instead of incuring censure he quickly was turned into the 'shut-up-I'm-the-teacher'-soldier mood or when that didnt help then into the 'poor-me_I'm-just-the-messenger' little guy.

Anyway. I hope Bill will take this challenge as a chance to think over it how he in the future might be able to strengthen his ties to his own intuition and more carfully select people worth to be interviewed and/or given the chance to sit on a panel with big-shots who really have something to say...

Swiss audience is very open for uncommon views and lecturers but will turn their back if too many mistakes are becomming visible.

So, for example: Dr. Brian Leary who should have talked about free energy in his workshop spended more time in promoting his new project in Ecuador than giving the audience substantiated information regarding the topic. Thats the way Bill might loose more credibility than having a "Marital row" with Kerry...

All the best for both of you, Bill and Kerry - you Bill did the right thing - with Kerry I don't know but history will show...

Adrain alias Manny Escandon: [http://www.padrak.com/ufo/WINTERS_9.html]

[NancyV]

I'm very happy and positive about Bill and Kerry each going their own way. Now Kerry can do and say whatever she wants to without anyone holding her back. Bill can now do the interviews that he chooses to do and since I love his interview style it will be wonderful to have him do the full interviews without a partner. I don't think he needs a full partner as I feel that he should be in full control of what he wants to do.

In his interview with Freedom Central Zurich where he talks about his views similar to David Ickes that this life is a game and we're engaged in playing it, I could see that he was very aware of who we are and what we are doing here. I'm sure that Bill will have even more fun without a partner to have to deal with and I'm excited to see his upcoming work. Hopefully Kerry will also enjoy her life more without having to consider a partner in her choices for her future projects. All in all this is a GOOD evolution.

Bill, I LOVE YOU!!! Congratulations on being on your own now!!!

Nancy

[Carol]

I have never trusted channeled information even when I did it myself back in the late 70s. I would write it all down and then go back to see what happened and what didn't happen. Or look for what could be verified. Channeled information is like swiss cheese. Some of it may be spot on but a lot of channeled information in my personal opinion has holes in it.

What I find difficult with those who buy into the whole channeled information scenario (and this is after years of watching this all pay out and even meeting with JZKnight back in 1980's on several occassions) are the folks who take these channelings as gospel and lose their own individual objectivity. And this includes those who channel - where they can lose their objectivity and get caught up in their personal (inflated) ego.

However, the people who should write a book about these past years and their personal journey is Bill and Kerry - separately. Now that I would find fascinating. Volume One (Kerry) and Volume Two (Bill) ~ Volume Three the transcripts from the interviews.

[Aztar]

Originally Posted by Carol

I have never trusted channeled information even when I did it myself back in the late 70s. I would write it all down and then go back to see what happened and what didn't happen. Or look for what could be verified. Channeled information is like swiss cheese. Some of it may be spot on but a lot of channeled information in my personal opinion has holes in it.

What I find difficult with those who buy into the whole channeled information scenario (and this is after years of watching this all pay out and even meeting with JZKnight back in 1980's on several occassions) are the folks who take these channelings as gospel and lose their own individual objectivity. And this includes those who channel - where they can lose their objectivity and get caught up in their personal (inflated) ego.

However, the people who should write a book about these past years and their personal journey is Bill and Kerry - separately. Now that I would find fascinating. Volume One (Kerry) and Volume Two (Bill) ~ Volume Three the transcripts from the interviews.

Bills 1st chapter should be a stimulating read.

<Bill> I have drafted major statement called BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON PROJECT CAMELOT. I think we're at the stage now where PR and careful political statements won't heal anything - the only thing that works is the truth.

[omshanti]

well, I am not sad in the least.
In fact, I feel fortunate to have greater options with additional sites navigated (independently) by Kerry and Bill.
And "We the viewers", will continue to discern what rings true and to challenge set belief systems....

This situation of going separate ways seems to illumine how humans have a strong tendency to resist change...(ie those wanting PC to remain as it was with Kerry and Bill as a "team")

Is it not the requirement of "the times" we are in to embrace the unknown, to integrate our fears and to dance with uncertainty?
I admire ANYONE who has the courage to leap into new ventures whilst enduring (oft-times) the slurs and slingbolts from fellow human beings.

"Embrace change", I cry! (to myself as it happens)

And much love y'all