The ego what is it? How to transcend?

greybeard · 03-03-2010, 12:31 PM

With respect to you Michael C
Because I have no knowledge of the bible at a scholars level some of what you say goes over my head its in a language unknown to me and possibly many others..
The way Eckh art Tolle expresses is within the grasp of many and he is doing a lot to raise consciousness . The ego and that which is behind the ego cant stand the concept of Now because it need time to maintain the illusion of seperation. So much is being done to get away from the fall of consciousness.
The eternal moment is always Now and that is where God is to be found within.
The tried and trusted "methods", of meditation, prayer, surrender to Gods will, self less service are very powerful in transcending the ego, which is the only cause of myserie on this earth, as long as the person dosent identify with the thought that I am the medtator, that there is a me doing!!!
Hawkins does much as well to dispell the notion that there is as thinker of thoughts.
In this world, he also has the ear of various governments and has been instrumental in resolving seriouslong standing conflicts see the link.

http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

I hope you feel at "home" here Michael, your contributions are welcome even if I dont understand some of what you share, I feel the essence of it.
Many ways of verbalizing the truth.
I have no doubt your spiritual experiences are true Michael.

I have found that reading various spiritual work acts as a cross check an can thefoore exercise some discernment/discrimination as to what influences me,

With love and respect for all who contribute here.
Chrid

Kulapops · 03-03-2010, 12:52 PM

Talking of low vibrations... i used to 'hate' people who never dip their headilights when they come round a bend.

I used to think, how can they not be aware that I am coming? I see their approach , why are they not aware of mine?

I hated getting blinded because of their unawareness. So I would sometimes flash my lights before a corner to alert them, or even put my headlights on full before a corner to coerce them into turning theirs down.

You'd be suprised how many times I'd get blinded, and every corner at night could be a stressful event.

For months now, I just haven't thought about it. I don't get involved. I don't pass judgement on the drivers' of the other cars. And I honestly can't remember now if I get blinded or not.

I've moved on, and that problem (my ego seeking control of a situation outside of its control) is no longer a problem.

So. Onto the next one !

K

P.S. thanks for the theological debate.. Michael and Chris. I don't pretend to understand it all either... but I like the idea of the mind maybe not being a thing but also a thought. Eckhart does mention the importance of being the 'watcher' and that seems to ring true for me. Funny.. it made me think that's where THE WATCHER got his avatar name from !

I think these kind of discussions and revelations are far more important to me now than any 'external threat' of war, famine or plague.

Because..." wherever you go... there you are !" Who said that ???? Was it me ?? lol

4Q529 · 03-03-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

With respect to you Michael C
Because I have no knowledge of the bible at a scholars level some of what you say goes over my head its in a language unknown to me and possibly many others..

First of all, thanks so much for the response.

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Originally Posted by greybeard

I hope you feel at "home" here Michael, your contributions are welcome even if I dont understand some of what you share, I feel the essence of it.

I sincerely appreciate this.

You have no idea how many discussion groups I have been banned from for bringing up 'verboten' subjects:

From a Muslim discussion group--the Wake-up Project Forum--because I mentioned that Mohammed taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

From the "creationandevolution" discussion group because I addressed the issue of assuming that the consciousness of the 'thinker' is the end-point in human 'evolution'.*

And probably dozens of my notes and replies have been censored by the JCS-Online (Journal of Consciousness Studies) 'discussion' group for challenging the existence of the 'mind'; which is similar to banning Lavoisier from a chemistry discussion group because he challenged the theory of "phlogiston"; or Michelson and Morley from a physics discussion group because they challenged the theory of the "ether".

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Originally Posted by greybeard

Many ways of verbalizing the truth. I have no doubt your spiritual experiences are true Michael.

I realize that my language is highly specialized.

It is directed at, specifically, the highly intellectualized population; the theologians and the scientists of consciousness who understand precisely what I am doing: I am challenging their fundamental assumptions and saying that their assumptions (and dualistic consciousness)are the very source of conflict and violence.

Jesus once said "Be as wise as serpents, but as gentle as doves."

I see a lot of people who have the "gentle as doves" aspect down pat.

Hopefully, I can help them develop the "wise as serpents" aspect.

Michael Cecil (4Q529)

*http://science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com/

http://after-the-false-peace.blogspot.com/

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Resour...ts/4Q529!.html

greybeard · 03-03-2010, 01:38 PM

I am happy you feel at home here Michael, I hope every one who visits / post feels welome, though I am well aware that not everyone will relate to what is posted.
My first "spiritual experience" which I posted earlier, was as a 4 year old.. I had vivid dreams, awake or asleep in bed, eyes closed eyes open no escape was possible. Chariots of fire, dark angels, white angels,fighting in the sky. I was in teror. My parents were so concerned they thought of getting a child psychiatrist. The dreams left as suddenly as they came due to my first real prayer to God.
I was a very sensitive child and never felt that I belonged here, I was some how different from my peers. I hand never heard of Armageddon, how could I possibly have known what I was seeing, as real as is possible to be real.

I have no explanation and I dont need to know.
I believe in the power of God.
I believe we are on the verge of a massive transformation of consciousness.
I believe all will be well.
I know I am looked after, my very life proves that for me.

With love Chris

03-03-2010, 12:31 PM	#1
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? With respect to you Michael C Because I have no knowledge of the bible at a scholars level some of what you say goes over my head its in a language unknown to me and possibly many others.. The way Eckh art Tolle expresses is within the grasp of many and he is doing a lot to raise consciousness . The ego and that which is behind the ego cant stand the concept of Now because it need time to maintain the illusion of seperation. So much is being done to get away from the fall of consciousness. The eternal moment is always Now and that is where God is to be found within. The tried and trusted "methods", of meditation, prayer, surrender to Gods will, self less service are very powerful in transcending the ego, which is the only cause of myserie on this earth, as long as the person dosent identify with the thought that I am the medtator, that there is a me doing!!! Hawkins does much as well to dispell the notion that there is as thinker of thoughts. In this world, he also has the ear of various governments and has been instrumental in resolving seriouslong standing conflicts see the link. http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about I hope you feel at "home" here Michael, your contributions are welcome even if I dont understand some of what you share, I feel the essence of it. Many ways of verbalizing the truth. I have no doubt your spiritual experiences are true Michael. I have found that reading various spiritual work acts as a cross check an can thefoore exercise some discernment/discrimination as to what influences me, With love and respect for all who contribute here. Chrid

03-03-2010, 12:52 PM	#2
Kulapops Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Torbay, UK Posts: 704	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Talking of low vibrations... i used to 'hate' people who never dip their headilights when they come round a bend. I used to think, how can they not be aware that I am coming? I see their approach , why are they not aware of mine? I hated getting blinded because of their unawareness. So I would sometimes flash my lights before a corner to alert them, or even put my headlights on full before a corner to coerce them into turning theirs down. You'd be suprised how many times I'd get blinded, and every corner at night could be a stressful event. For months now, I just haven't thought about it. I don't get involved. I don't pass judgement on the drivers' of the other cars. And I honestly can't remember now if I get blinded or not. I've moved on, and that problem (my ego seeking control of a situation outside of its control) is no longer a problem. So. Onto the next one ! K P.S. thanks for the theological debate.. Michael and Chris. I don't pretend to understand it all either... but I like the idea of the mind maybe not being a thing but also a thought. Eckhart does mention the importance of being the 'watcher' and that seems to ring true for me. Funny.. it made me think that's where THE WATCHER got his avatar name from ! I think these kind of discussions and revelations are far more important to me now than any 'external threat' of war, famine or plague. Because..." wherever you go... there you are !" Who said that ???? Was it me ?? lol

03-03-2010, 01:38 PM	#4
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? I am happy you feel at home here Michael, I hope every one who visits / post feels welome, though I am well aware that not everyone will relate to what is posted. My first "spiritual experience" which I posted earlier, was as a 4 year old.. I had vivid dreams, awake or asleep in bed, eyes closed eyes open no escape was possible. Chariots of fire, dark angels, white angels,fighting in the sky. I was in teror. My parents were so concerned they thought of getting a child psychiatrist. The dreams left as suddenly as they came due to my first real prayer to God. I was a very sensitive child and never felt that I belonged here, I was some how different from my peers. I hand never heard of Armageddon, how could I possibly have known what I was seeing, as real as is possible to be real. I have no explanation and I dont need to know. I believe in the power of God. I believe we are on the verge of a massive transformation of consciousness. I believe all will be well. I know I am looked after, my very life proves that for me. With love Chris