Abraxas has been enjoined and his group is closed Edited

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Céline

Your words are always empowering Anchor. thank you

Thanks.

You have the power, you also have the responsibility - and non-infringment of anothers freewill is quite important.

So by all means pray away - let the love/intent flow. However, it is often best to set your desire to help only those that want or ask for the helping, and for the rest, those that dont want it or you dont know one way or the other: you can simply offering your light back into the universe and let it sort out the rationing of the necessary workings as it knows best.

AJ..

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Thanks.

You have the power, you also have the responsibility - and non-infringment of anothers freewill is quite important.

So by all means pray away - let the love/intent flow. However, it is often best to set your desire to help only those that want or ask for the helping, and for the rest, those that dont want it or you dont know one way or the other: you can simply offering your light back into the universe and let it sort out the rationing of the necessary workings as it knows best.

AJ..

if that is true....

them i am alone..

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Céline

so say i wanted to pray for everyone here..

i cant?

Not me, you can't.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Not me, you can't.

cant? in your world ...i need permission..to pray for you?

My God...how sad Mp2...

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Céline

cant? in your world ...i need permission..to pray for you?

My God...how sad Mp2...

It's not sad. Look at the constant stream of messes you create. God only knows what you'd have answering your prayers. Stay out of my business. I'll do my own communing with God, and the great angels.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

It's not sad. Look at the constant stream of messes you create. God only knows what you'd have answering your prayers. Stay out of my business. I'll do my own communing with God, and the great angels.

you have no idea how much cleaning up i have tried to do..


i am sorry i cannot do what you ask/order

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Céline

you have no idea how much cleaning up i have tried to do..


i am sorry i cannot do what you ask/order

DO NOT pray for me. I'm serious. I don't want your requests to God or the universe having anything to do with me. I mean it.

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

DO NOT pray for me. I'm serious. I don't want your requests to God or the universe having anything to do with me. I mean it.

He's praying now! 4 you. Feel it?

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

He's praying now! 4 you. Feel it?

I don't care of the pope does it. he's relatively harmless. I just don't want Celine or Brook praying for me. Yikes. I thought I was done having to summon protection.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I don't care of the pope does it. he's relatively harmless. I just don't want Celine or Brook praying for me. Yikes. I thought I was done having to summon protection.

well you cant stop us..

and your argument is silly...and you know it....a lot of people here know it..

Your distaste for myself and brook is perhaps seeded in other emotions..

i

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Céline

well you cant stop us..

and your argument is silly...and you know it....a lot of people here know it..

Your distaste for myself and brook is perhaps seeded in other emotions..

i

It feels like rape to me. I'm feeling violated. Now I'm hurt and I want you banned. Go tell Richard to ban you right away. Or ban yourself. but leave me alone. This is harassment.

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

It feels like rape to me. I'm feeling violated. Now I'm hurt and I want you banned. Go tell Richard to ban you right away. Or ban yourself. but leave me alone. This is harassment.

I demand $100.000 - just for starters - in Euros, small, used bills, or I'm gonna pray for you!
As in serious prayer!
I'll PM the details later.

Love, Peace & Respect!
LORD TRANCOSO of the GFL

In case you're not familiar with the GFL; we're sort of a Galactic Spanish Inquisition.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

I demand $100.000 - just for starters - in Euros, small, used bills, or I'm gonna pray for you!
As in serious prayer!
I'll PM the details later.

Love, Peace & Respect!
LORD TRANCOSO of the GFL

In case you're not familiar with the GFL; we're sort of a Galactic Spanish Inquisition.

Doesn't fly. I don't care if you pray for me. I just don't want it from this bunch that sees evil all over the place. They're trying to drag me into their world of Battles of Armageddon, and carp like that.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Doesn't fly. I don't care if you pray for me. I just don't want it from this bunch that sees evil all over the place. They're trying to drag me into their world of Battles of Armageddon, and carp like that.

You obviously joined the battle willingly..

some are trying to end it...with compassion and love..you fight it tooth and nail

very sad

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

I demand $100.000 - just for starters - in Euros, small, used bills, or I'm gonna pray for you!
As in serious prayer!

I'll PM the details later.

Love, Peace & Respect!
LORD TRANCOSO of the GFL

Yo! MyPlanet2, that's 'PM' as in Prayer Message.

On the other hand, a Prayer Message is per definitie Private in its sort, so ...

PM you later (soon), MP2.
MP2, MP2 ... My Prayer 2

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by Céline

well you cant stop us..

and your argument is silly...and you know it....a lot of people here know it..

Your distaste for myself and brook is perhaps seeded in other emotions..

i

I'm LMAO over here..this has got to be the ultimate in last ditch efforts to have the last work..so by all means...please let MP2
have the last word..tell him he is100 % correct in all of his aspirations here..and lets get on now.

MP2...no worries...we will not pray for you...but if I choose to pray for the forum..well...you cannot stop that..now matter how hard you try....this is the silliest thing I've seen in a long time now..and it has me ROFL.. Somebody ban me as I am praying for the world too.....hahahahahahahaha

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I'm LMAO over here..this has got to be the ultimate in last ditch efforts to have the last work..so by all means...please let MP2
have the last word..tell him he is100 % correct in all of his aspirations here..and lets get on now.

MP2...no worries...we will not pray for you...but if I choose to pray for the forum..well...you cannot stop that..now matter how hard you try....this is the silliest thing I've seen in a long time now..and it has me ROFL.. Somebody ban me as I am praying for the world too.....hahahahahahahaha

You think this is a joke? Thanks for agreeing to not pray for me. I don't want you or any of the others who don't mind infringing others rights like this while whining about Abraxas allegedly doing the same thing, placing the focus of ANY of their misguided energy on me.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

You think this is a joke? Thanks for agreeing to not pray for me. I don't want you or any of the others who don't mind infringing others rights like this while whining about Abraxas allegedly doing the same thing, placing the focus of ANY of their misguided energy on me.

i dont whine about abrax.. i ahev nothing to say against his thread or his words..i made my apologies..i

i will just continue to love you ...

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Céline

i dont whine about abrax.. i ahev nothing to say against his thread or his words..i made my apologies..i

i will just continue to love you ...

I asked you to keep your energy to yourself. I don't want it. Are you deaf? Leave me alone.

[Lionhawk]

Ah come on over here MP2 and let me give you one huge warrior hug from my armchair. Hugs are free.

I love you MP2. Your inspiration is so steamin.

I'll spare you the prayers but forgive me if I do a sacred dance in your honor.

Maybe you wouldn't mind putting a log on the fire while I fetch some more buffalo chips, eh?

You're a funny man.

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

You think this is a joke? Thanks for agreeing to not pray for me. I don't want you or any of the others who don't mind infringing others rights like this while whining about Abraxas allegedly doing the same thing, placing the focus of ANY of their misguided energy on me.

I think you are wrong, the rights of one stop where the rights of others begins

The problem here is not about free speach, it is about respecting others and accepting to agree to disagree

That means that I accept your point, I think different and that is ok too

But if, for example, you continue with the issue just to convince me that you are right and I am wrong, then you are forcing yourself into my space which is a violation of my free will

The boundary is thin but it is real, and what Abrax did was that, he tried to force others to agree with him and the ones that did not he harrased and mocked until they got fed up a left the thread, now that for me is not civilized as he is not the owner of this forum. We all have the right to express our oppinions and disagree with the position of another provided we respect each others space and do not belitle others because they think differently than us

Now there are other things Abrax did at Astral level that can not be "proven" in a court of law but they were real for the sufferers and disgusting. Many in the forum got hit by that. That was plain straight hostility and astral harrasment which is what at the end caused the hostility back to him (cause and effect)

This is my perspective and you don't have to agree with it

Love

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

Now there are other things Abrax did at Astral level that can not be "proven" in a court of law but they were real for the sufferers and disgusting. Many in the forum got hit by that. That was plain straight hostility and astral harrasment which is what at the end caused the hostility back to him (cause and effect)

This is my perspective and you don't have to agree with it

I don't agree with it, and not just for the sake of it, I got a point to make. I think that some allegations, such as the ones you are alleging are better left unmade are they not? I mean what is to stop anyone just saying you are making it up?

Personally I cant deny activity of a psychic nature happened to some people - it would be stupid in the face of the testimony made in public and private. What we must do is figure out why and how etc, to learn.

If attacks were made, could it be, that it was not Abraxasinas making those attacks?

I think you know this and all the other "pro's" out there know it as well - but it is easy to point the finger at a material avatar that most people would understand and say - it was him - he did it.

Check that with your guides and tell me if I am wrong.

The reason for this is that I think there are important things to say about the psychic process that went on if people are to learn all they can from what has happened and anything less than rigorous honesty will undermine that. I am not suggesting you are being dishonest, but perhaps somewhat imprecise.

AJ..

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

I think you are wrong, the rights of one stop where the rights of others begins

The problem here is not about free speach, it is about respecting others and accepting to agree to disagree

That means that I accept your point, I think different and that is ok too

But if, for example, you continue with the issue just to convince me that you are right and I am wrong, then you are forcing yourself into my space which is a violation of my free will

The boundary is thin but it is real, and what Abrax did was that, he tried to force others to agree with him and the ones that did not he harrased and mocked until they got fed up a left the thread, now that for me is not civilized as he is not the owner of this forum. We all have the right to express our oppinions and disagree with the position of another provided we respect each others space and do not belitle others because they think differently than us

Now there are other things Abrax did at Astral level that can not be "proven" in a court of law but they were real for the sufferers and disgusting. Many in the forum got hit by that. That was plain straight hostility and astral harrasment which is what at the end caused the hostility back to him (cause and effect)

This is my perspective and you don't have to agree with it

Love

I agree whole heartedly in the aspects of your post which express support for respect for others right to disagree, without creating a reactive disharmony. Reactive disharmony (made it up, but it fits) would be where you are disagreed with, and you then become driven to change that disagreement, as opposed to respecting the others right to disagree. And I don't see as engaging in discussion, as an attempt to force acceptance of your view. I'm talking about applying force of will, that you be agreed with. One seeks compliance, the other seeks harmony. It's a different energy.

This, to me was what was potentially available as the prize had the Abrax/Thuban interaction been permitted to play out without the Anti(s) getting insistent that they must be agreed with, and acting aggressively to see to it. That is what I saw. I didn't see Abrax pick any fights. Not one single one. I saw people go in and disagree, and then get accusative, and abusive, and indignant, and even promise inquisitive crusades to drum him out of town.

We could have arrived at that agreeing to disagree point from all of this, and we'd be in a place so far above the one we are in.

I for example disagree that there is a war going on. I feel all the same energies as the rest of you, but I don't assign to them the significance that you do. Refer to my thread about resting on plateaus. We are all climbing the same mountain, but have simply chosen different approaches.

The ones violating right to free will left and right around here, are the ones who see battles taking place, instead of seeing growing pains expressed.

One of many ironies here, Stardust, is that I find myself nodding agreement with most of what you post. And the same with Lionhawk. I read some of you guys posts, and think I might have said the same thing. Yet we are on opposite sides of the mountain. You guys are in a war, I'm not processing these currently manifested energies as combative in nature. I'm seeing the ending of our own inner combative natures manifesting. We simply select different perspectives, or ways of viewing, from one another. Neither is right and neither is wrong. They are both right and they are both wrong. It's all a matter of perspective.

It could just be left at that, as conveyed in the spirit of your post. But it seldom is, and that includes the methods used to deal with this Abrax/Thuban issue. Harmony was simply not permitted to find or maintain itself throughout this. Some people decided they had no choice but to project their polarizations (my choice to view from this perspective. no need to be agreed with. just sharing point of view/angle of view) onto the forum as a collective, insist there was a war, and fight on behalf of probably some few who were grateful for the intervention, some other few who chafed at being disrespected to the point where someone thought they were not capable of handling themselves, and the greater oblivious majority who were not following along personally, and missed the whole energy exchange.

We didn't end up any place having to do with respect. And that is now the manifestation we are experiencing here. No respect.

I'll keep the Abrax attacks part of this discussion for another post, to not mix the energies unnecessarily.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

The boundary is thin but it is real, and what Abrax did was that, he tried to force others to agree with him and the ones that did not he harrased and mocked until they got fed up a left the thread, now that for me is not civilized as he is not the owner of this forum. We all have the right to express our oppinions and disagree with the position of another provided we respect each others space and do not belitle others because they think differently than us

Now there are other things Abrax did at Astral level that can not be "proven" in a court of law but they were real for the sufferers and disgusting. Many in the forum got hit by that. That was plain straight hostility and astral harrasment which is what at the end caused the hostility back to him (cause and effect)

This is my perspective and you don't have to agree with it

Love

This does not stand on it's own legs. It may or may not be true, but I wouldn't sit comfortably seeing it stated as fact, instead or possibility. I don't discount anyones experiences, and thank you to anyone who shared some, but where these phenomena have other possible explanation, then they should be stated as possible, rather than factual.

I don't object to statements "he attacked me", as that is subject of your own perception, and can not be other than valid, to you. Who is anyone else to say otherwise. But when you say "Now there are other things Abrax did at Astral level that can not be "proven" in a court of law but they were real for the sufferers and disgusting. Many in the forum got hit by that. That was plain straight hostility and astral harrasment which is what at the end caused the hostility back to him (cause and effect)", then I say you overstep your bounds. Because you don't know what happened to anyone else. Only they do, and if they share their perspectives on it, then you have the benefit of their shared perspectives to consider, but no facts. (Unless you can climb into their space, and experience what they are experiencing, from their unique viewpoint and state of being.)

And then you get this phenomenon of a pack mentality (not talking about you specifically) where other peoples comments and opinions about what they experienced are taken as evidence of something and then elevated to the status of fact, and then have aggressive actions planned and executed based on them, and you have what they call a lynching, or a witch hunt, and that is IMO what we witnessed here.

No balance. A taking of sides and ganging up to overwhelm. And done without the rest of our approval, for our own good.

Personally, I'd like to hear more of what others perceived throughout this, as there are still opportunities for exercising discernment available, if we behave like a loose community, acknowledging that other members are taking a different route to the same destination, and also acknowledge that that is ok.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

I think you are wrong, the rights of one stop where the rights of others begins

Love

we'll have to disagree on this one as well. It's ok for you to hold that view. But I choose to hold the view that we are not separate. So then How would I distinguish the ending of one, and the beginning of another? Simply by tasting the energy, and finding a different flavour? How would a chef make out if he couldn't blend flavours any better than that?

I think this is in the area of the Law of Allowance. (if that's something you subsribe to. Not everyone does. and that's not wrong either)