Ecuador farm sanctuary

[mu2143]

Also considering moving to ecuador, some info below


If you want to mineralze the soil then use Himalaya crystal salt or Celstic Sea Salt.
You do not need a product created by man, nature supplies everything we need. Thechnology was never needed for agriculture.

Simple rule; if it is made by man don't eat it ,put it on your skin etc.

[estepechito]

Originally Posted by mu2143

Also considering moving to ecuador, some info below


If you want to mineralze the soil then use Himalaya crystal salt or Celstic Sea Salt.
You do not need a product created by man, nature supplies everything we need. Thechnology was never needed for agriculture.

Simple rule; if it is made by man don't eat it ,put it on your skin etc.

sorry mushroom mycilia works to a greater extent, and salts not good, sorry to say thats why a hydro operator has to clean his tank, iTs for salt build-up.. AND i DIDNT MAKE MUSHROOMS THERE NATURE... AND WELL..WHY THE ASSUMPTION..... WHATEVER...ITS COOL JUST 2CENTS

http://www.fungi.com/mycogrow/index.html
Fungi Perfecti®: MycoGrow™ mycorrhizal products

YOU STILL HAVE TO BUY SALT SO LETS NOT PICK HAIRS. DONT SALT YOUR FOOD UNTIL YOU EAT IT LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ON A SERIOUS NOTE IM NOT SELLING ANYTHING i JUST WANT TO SHARE AND PLEASE TAKE THIS AS CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM i REALLY DONT WANT PEOPLE TO HURT THEIR PLANTS (NO SALT) OR i WOULD HAVE KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT

[asteram]

I'd say both mu2143 and Estepechito are partly right and partly wrong. Sea salt is a good source of micro-trace minerals, as the sea and ancient seabed salt deposits have had all of the minerals on Earth washed into them. The high sodium content can be harmful, but not on most non-coastal soils. 5-10 lbs per 1000 sqft (100 sqmts) is safe.

Fungi are very valuable for releasing minerals that are tied up in the native soil and rocks, but only if those minerals actually exist in that native soil. The Iodine found in sea salt is leached out of most soils, for instance.

www.soilminerals.com

[DMAN]

Originally Posted by asteram

I'd say both mu2143 and Estepechito are partly right and partly wrong. Sea salt is a good source of micro-trace minerals, as the sea and ancient seabed salt deposits have had all of the minerals on Earth washed into them. The high sodium content can be harmful, but not on most non-coastal soils. 5-10 lbs per 1000 sqft (100 sqmts) is safe.

Fungi are very valuable for releasing minerals that are tied up in the native soil and rocks, but only if those minerals actually exist in that native soil. The Iodine found in sea salt is leached out of most soils, for instance.

www.soilminerals.com

thank you
I was also talking in terms of contamination as well. your right what every mineral is not there I like to add just that, like a lawn yellowing, gets iron if its not somthing else like over watering. Im also looking at cost$. I use dead organic material and mushies to make a compost test the soils for mineral contant and ph. All for pennies. Yes Im not hard of hearing Ihear the benifets if salt but one way seems more accurate. salt will not for the love of god CLEAN your dirt. mushies eat oil

[asteram]

Originally Posted by DMAN

I use dead organic material and mushies to make a compost test the soils for mineral contant and ph. All for pennies. Yes Im not hard of hearing Ihear the benifets if salt but one way seems more accurate. salt will not for the love of god CLEAN your dirt. mushies eat oil

I'm not sure that I understand. How do you test the soil for mineral content? I send a sample to a soil testing laboratory.

And yes, I'm aware of the work with fungi that eat up oil spills and decontaminate soil, but surely you are not trying to grow food on a soil contaminated with oil?

[DMAN]

Originally Posted by asteram

I'm not sure that I understand. How do you test the soil for mineral content? I send a sample to a soil testing laboratory.

And yes, I'm aware of the work with fungi that eat up oil spills and decontaminate soil, but surely you are not trying to grow food on a soil contaminated with oil?

Some people get land and don't not what has been dumped. And yess if you watch the levels of hydrocarbons. Ive seen 2500ppm go down to 200ppm in 3 months. So yes with a little work you can reclaim your land. Oyster mushrooms will do this, and from what I know I would have know problem eating them. Many other things do this as well so if you have the right combination of spores you can really do wonders.
As for testing I have a probe with a little water I can see almost everything in there. There are a few test though, and they can all be done at home. heres a link, though this is not the tool I use, they some it up .http://www.lamotte.com/pages/soil/index.html We can do these things and much more. WHy even work on the land if you could not fix it, and eat, and live?! the key word is RECLAIM
build your own kit http://soils.usda.gov/SQI/assessment/test_kit.html
http://www.farmnetservices.com/direc...esting-Probes/

[asteram]

Originally Posted by DMAN

Some people get land and don't not what has been dumped. And yess if you watch the levels of hydrocarbons. Ive seen 2500ppm go down to 200ppm in 3 months. So yes with a little work you can reclaim your land. Oyster mushrooms will do this, and from what I know I would have know problem eating them. Many other things do this as well so if you have the right combination of spores you can really do wonders.
As for testing I have a probe with a little water I can see almost everything in there. There are a few test though, and they can all be done at home. heres a link, though this is not the tool I use, they some it up .http://www.lamotte.com/pages/soil/index.html We can do these things and much more. WHy even work on the land if you could not fix it, and eat, and live?! the key word is RECLAIM
build your own kit http://soils.usda.gov/SQI/assessment/test_kit.html
http://www.farmnetservices.com/direc...esting-Probes/

Last I checked the LaMotte soil test kit was around $800. I send samples to the testing lab, they test for 12 different minerals, get the results back to me within a week, and charge $20. I wouldn't mind having the LaMotte kit, but I don't mind paying the lab $20.

I'm familiar with Paul Stamets' work with oyster mushrooms. But y'know, there really isn't any need to try to grow food on contaminated land; there's plenty of clean land around. Decontaminate soil and grow a lawn or ornamentals, not food. Grow food on clean land.

[DMAN]

Originally Posted by asteram

Last I checked the LaMotte soil test kit was around $800. I send samples to the testing lab, they test for 12 different minerals, get the results back to me within a week, and charge $20. I wouldn't mind having the LaMotte kit, but I don't mind paying the lab $20.

I'm familiar with Paul Stamets' work with oyster mushrooms. But y'know, there really isn't any need to try to grow food on contaminated land; there's plenty of clean land around. Decontaminate soil and grow a lawn or ornamentals, not food. Grow food on clean land.

I gave the example, that people don't really know what is on there land or what has been there. So, as a precushion and preventive maintenance well, ya'know. Paul dose not work with just oysters, there is a broad spectrum of these little fellers to do the job thoroughly. some people have to save there land. not just move next door(sweep it under the rug). You can over time make a kit for about 300 that will last and can be shared. Yes this is not for all. Some people cant cook let alone take a ph and do a comparison. And we need to clean our land so we can drink its water ext..............
To say its not clean, is just your fear of what it was. These ideas(home testing need to be known not to be outsourced to a lab. Plus you have to test different areas at different times to achieve an accurate read. Pass it down to your kids or friends, Also never do these things alone, they can be costly but not in the long run. Its like buying solar panels,costly but worth every penny.

[asteram]

I'm not arguing against the ability to detox oil spills and contaminated soil. I use a product called BioZome which is a collection of primitive archaeobacteria collected from harsh environments around the world. It will break down even nasties like dioxins and chlorinated hydrocarbons. I use it to jump-start compost and to seed new garden soils and crops with beneficial bacteria.

I also use a product called MycoApply MAXX that is mostly symbiotic fungi with some beneficial bacteria added. It's not from Stamets, but from mycorrhizalsolutions.com, IIRC. I'm aware of this stuff, though my main focus is soil minerals. Check out my web site: www.soilminerals.com lots of free iinfo on soil mineral balancing.

If one is forced to grow crops on a city lot, i agree it would be a good idea to decontaminate it first. If one has country property where the fields have had many years of pesticides used, ditto. I would still advise anyone growing food for their family to find the cleanest land they can unless they have no choice, but I still recommend a fungi-bacteria package for all new gardens and crop fields.

The LaMotte test and the standard soil test have different purposes. The standard test measures reserves, what is potentially available. The LaMotte test measures what is immediately available. I have a hard enough time convincing people just to spend $20 on a standard test.

[DMAN]

Originally Posted by asteram

I'm not arguing against the ability to detox oil spills and contaminated soil. I use a product called BioZome which is a collection of primitive archaeobacteria collected from harsh environments around the world. It will break down even nasties like dioxins and chlorinated hydrocarbons. I use it to jump-start compost and to seed new garden soils and crops with beneficial bacteria.

I also use a product called MycoApply MAXX that is mostly symbiotic fungi with some beneficial bacteria added. It's not from Stamets, but from mycorrhizalsolutions.com, IIRC. I'm aware of this stuff, though my main focus is soil minerals. Check out my web site: www.soilminerals.com lots of free iinfo on soil mineral balancing.

If one is forced to grow crops on a city lot, i agree it would be a good idea to decontaminate it first. If one has country property where the fields have had many years of pesticides used, ditto. I would still advise anyone growing food for their family to find the cleanest land they can unless they have no choice, but I still recommend a fungi-bacteria package for all new gardens and crop fields.

The LaMotte test and the standard soil test have different purposes. The standard test measures reserves, what is potentially available. The LaMotte test measures what is immediately available. I have a hard enough time convincing people just to spend $20 on a standard test.

no agument here but, building a kit would be more effective for more land and a accurat kit is avalible for more than just potintial availablity. Your site ive seen the last time you put it up. But I do this on my own and I think others should to. WE all need to do somthing and i understand biz but the test are to determain what is or is not there and then you add or subtract what you need. plase dont get me wrong you site is good for those who cant or wont learn. you make it simple for them like fast food. I know its not easy. I dont think there is one thing that you can put done that will keep the ratios balanced anyway thats why we test for all those different elements, to determain the recipe. sorry I sond this way. its just not that hard and not that simple either, It depends who you are. Like you and me take the time to try and learn these things while others just follow. teach a man to fish oh biozome is good to and I like the combination of your blooms products. friend

[asteram]

"WE all need to do somthing and i understand biz but the test are to determain what is or is not there and then you add or subtract what you need. plase dont get me wrong you site is good for those who cant or wont learn. you make it simple for them like fast food. I know its not easy. I dont think there is one thing that you can put done that will keep the ratios balanced anyway thats why we test for all those different elements, to determain the recipe."

Not everyone is interested in learning soil mineral balancing or agronomy. I have been pushing the soil mineral message for years and it is not easy. What people want is what you said, a magic bullet that solves all problems. It isn't going to happen. The BLOOM fertilizer we sell has everything needed to grow great food, but it is expensive and no way could a farmer afford to use it on acreage. The trace mineral amendment we sell covers only the minor and trace minerals, not the major ones like Ca, Mg, N, P, and K.

The problem is that even if people get the concept of mineral balanced soil = healthy plants, people, and animals, very few are willing to learn how to do it. Most people get the purpose of physicians and nutritionists, but few are willing to study and learn to become a doctor or nutritionist, right? There are millions of doctors in the world, but only a few dozen real soil physicians with a focus on sustainable agriculture.. That needs to change, and my focus is on education.

Most gardeners of my acquaintance will spend a lot of money on seeds and garden tools but have never put out the $20 it costs to have their soil tested. The conventional organic wisdom (what my friend Gary Kline calls the sacred COW) claims that all one needs is more compost, more organic matter, more mulch. This is dangerously wrong if one is going to try to feed themself and others.

Glad to make your acquaintance, friend. Keep me posted on your progress with the home soil testing.

[Pacal]

Saludos a todos,seria bueno que en tu granja, tengas varias formulas con plantas para distintas enfermedades, en estos tiempos en que nos va a tocar vivir en dificiles situaciones en que la medicina escaceara, sera necesario estudiar las plantas que son una exelente alternativa para curar todas las enfermedades incluyendo el cancer.
Es bueno que se bajen este libro del maestro Samael Aun Weor que nos enseña que solo un ser vivo como son las plantas, pueden curar a una persona enferma inclusive a larga distancia.
Samael nos enseña que es realmente el alma de la planta la que cura, esta elementoterapia nos permite sanar a cualquier enfermo.

Imprimanlo y tengalo a mano que algun dia les hara falta.

http://www.gnosishoy.com/libros.html

Tratado de medicina oculta:

http://www.gnosishoy.com/libros/avan...scar.php?ur=36

[LosVisionarios-Ecuador]

Introduction:

We are intentional community located 10 minutes from the world famous valley of longevity name Vilcabamba, Ecuador in south America. We are part of the Utopian EcoVillage Network Federations and founders of the Federation. We are seeking people who have a strong desire to live communally. We are part a network of intentional communities throughout the world linked with similar values to support each other for the creation of a new society. The basic intention of our community is to be a pilot model demonstration of how to live in a real New World consciousness of sharing on all levels: financially, spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically.

www.LosVisionarios.org