For a bunch of people who are preaching positivity.. you sure are negative

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

so your saying god /universe is going to give you an easy ride into a golden paradise. we will just meditate and dream our way into it .. il ike to stike a balance.. learning new info is only fear mongering of your suceptible to fear.. we are adult enough to take what someone says and interpret it ourselves.. if you dont agree wioth an info thread you dont have to look at it..

i think i smell fear somehwere. its not comoing from me tho. i want to know it all , tyhe most diabolical plans and awful acts planned for us.. then i know what to look out for, what to avoid and how i might best prepare to avoid and fight it/ help others. knowledge is power!! some people are a bit fagile on here and are clearly nbot gonna make it if it gets rough and tumble .. good luck to all tho

[Orion Morris]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

so your saying god /universe is going to give you an easy ride into a golden paradise.

Wow!! I never read anything like that on this thread!

I also think that Oct 7th is almost past... and nothing happened!

How much energy did this whole community waste on the whole prediction?

I for one was a little worried about it....

I am just saying that alot of our energy is wasted on pointing to very terrible realities. I do not think that being ignorant about future possibilites is the way to go about it, but I also think it is a waste for a bunch of computer nerds to sit around and scare the s**t out of eachother all day.
Especially when I bet not even 10% of us could live off the land during the winter time. Like I said before, everybody would be craping their pants if things really got hairy!

I guess the best policy is just to hope that all the systems that keep us in slavery carry on then. Preserve the status quo eh? That way all our kids can have lives just as empty and even more oppressed than ours. And their kids, ad infinitum. Good plan!

Do you really look at the world and think it's in good working order, benefiting us all? Do you think you're going to wake up one morning and everything is suddenly going to be hunky dory, the masters of greed and starvation and diseases and economic slavery all suddenly replaced by thousands of King Arthur's without anything collapsing first?

If so you have more than enough positivity for all of us

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Preserve the status quo eh? That way all our kids can have lives just as empty and even more oppressed than ours.

The most intelligent post on this thread.

[Newliving]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I also think that Oct 7th is almost past... and nothing happened!

Urban Survival's analysis at http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm makes interesting reading.

Scroll down to When's this a "Crash"?

[Sherab]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

Wow!! I never read anything like that on this thread!

I also think that Oct 7th is almost past... and nothing happened!

How much energy did this whole community waste on the whole prediction?

I for one was a little worried about it....

I am just saying that alot of our energy is wasted on pointing to very terrible realities. I do not think that being ignorant about future possibilites is the way to go about it, but I also think it is a waste for a bunch of computer nerds to sit around and scare the s**t out of eachother all day.
Especially when I bet not even 10% of us could live off the land during the winter time. Like I said before, everybody would be craping their pants if things really got hairy!

This post is priceless!! roflmao!!!

I agree 110%...with a 10% boost for the humor. Keep it up Orion!

[Orion Morris]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

i think i smell fear somehwere. its not comoing from me tho.

figures... it is never our fault

[Carol]

Sometimes when looking at some threads it appears someone is shouting fire. Or someone else sees perhaps a child playing with matches and goes into a panic thinking Fire. These posts can serve a purpose if they are used to shift into a prevention mode. If there is a fire, call the fire department. Here it is calling upon our community spiritual light brigage to focus their positive energy and intent on a specific event and/or potential to help alter the outcome.

Often times, when this has been done and a new outcome did occur, the community at large may just say... well it didn't happen, so it wouldn't of happened, so what's the big deal.

There was this one research article where a group of monks went into a very high crime area and began to meditate for a period of months. Throughout the entire time they were there meditating crime decreased. This was statical data gleened from various police reports.

Positive intention at the group level works. Often it is the unseen spiritual influence that generates miracles. I suspect our Avalon community stepped up to the plate to join in a global prayer to shift the negative potential in a different direction. Yup... that's what I felt on the inside.

[Newliving]

Originally Posted by Carol

There was this one research article where a group of monks went into a very high crime area and began to meditate for a period of months. Throughout the entire time they were there meditating crime decreased. This was statical data gleened from various police reports.

Positive intention at the group level works. Often it is the unseen spiritual influence that generates miracles. I suspect our Avalon community stepped up to the plate to join in a global prayer to shift the negative potential in a different direction. Yup... that's what I felt on the inside.

I know this to be true, having been part of large groups of Yogic Flyers in the 1980s, when statistical analysis proved the benefits of 'increased coherence in collective consciousness' in a given area where the number of Flyers was more than the square root of 1% of the population. So yes, let those who can, do.

For those who can't, or won't, a different approach is helpful, I feel, and that's where 'service to others' may take a more practical, hands-on role, in whatever ways one feels so inclined or able. Every little helps?

[dragonfly]

Originally Posted by Carol

Positive intention at the group level works. Often it is the unseen spiritual influence that generates miracles. I suspect our Avalon community stepped up to the plate to join in a global prayer to shift the negative potential in a different direction. Yup... that's what I felt on the inside.

Yeah

Doesn't anyone want to consider that perhaps we thwarted it ourselves? Slowed it down at least. I don't think they are going to give up until they throw out the last card, but we sure can make a difference. I beleive we have, and the more of us waking the more power we will have. Please, let's stop arguing. Nobody gets anywhere proving themselves. Unless you live to feed ego. That's ok. I prefer truth. Itegrity. Life!

We are here to share and empower one another. Pretty simple and caring I would say.

[Seva]

Originally Posted by Carol

Sometimes when looking at some threads it appears someone is shouting fire. Or someone else sees perhaps a child playing with matches and goes into a panic thinking Fire. These posts can serve a purpose if they are used to shift into a prevention mode. If there is a fire, call the fire department. Here it is calling upon our community spiritual light brigage to focus their positive energy and intent on a specific event and/or potential to help alter the outcome.

Often times, when this has been done and a new outcome did occur, the community at large may just say... well it didn't happen, so it wouldn't of happened, so what's the big deal.

There was this one research article where a group of monks went into a very high crime area and began to meditate for a period of months. Throughout the entire time they were there meditating crime decreased. This was statical data gleened from various police reports.

Positive intention at the group level works. Often it is the unseen spiritual influence that generates miracles. I suspect our Avalon community stepped up to the plate to join in a global prayer to shift the negative potential in a different direction. Yup... that's what I felt on the inside.

I feel that aswell alot of groups were doing focused meditations. also being aware of something changes the outcome like schrodingers cat. All the things they are planning, were planning, but then a new thing in the mix, people are awake now, mind you they are cranky as hell but atleast they are awake. And maybe that makes a HUGE difference, you cant sneak up on the AWAKE - im speaking of the effects on the general populace.

about the negative stuff, well on one hand you wanna know you need to know, its like knowing where the dog pooped on the lawn so you dont step in it. but i did feel sick to my stomach after i listened to deagle and that feeling went on for 2 days. fear can freeze you. depends on what you do with it, this place for example is putting forth a avenue for solution, as in yes all this sucks and yes all this is happening but we can do this to counter act it. It is resistance to the helplessness this fear can lead u to.

Im sure 99% of us are not ready in anyway for it hitting the fan. Im not and that drives me nuts when i hear stuff like what deagle said. and i sure do feel a sigh of relief as it turns oct 8th LOL but im here, and im working with others who want to be a solution, as fumbling as it feels now, im driven to study permaculture, increase my knowledge of alternative healing methods, wherever i feel it pull me to learn. and networking with others. keeping my mind focused on the solutions the true intention of what this place is for what keeping me grounded right now.... best it can...

so many other places have fallen into fearmongering and bickering i hope that does not come to this place. actually it cant lol becasue we dont have time to play those games anymore and many here feel that. BIG HUGS TO EVERYONE

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

figures... it is never our fault

ive no idea what your getting at .. but whos fault ect ect blah blah about whatever is useless to go into..

as for nothing happening,in the usa nothing happened,in the uk however it was quite eventful. it was the start of the end of our banking system. 300 000 people had £4billion frozen in an icelandic internet bank. the 2 major uk banks had a meeting with the treasury today. barclays rbs and lloyds/tsb are gonna be bailed out/nationalised.. october 7th was indeed a landmark day.

will i dwell on it ? NO. would i rather know whats going on? YES i admit im slack, ive still got food stocks to get and a water filter and some survival clothing.. im not quite as prepared as some on here so im still happy to get more info as required..

[Orion Morris]

I am sorry if I came across wrong...

Honestly I just got my first teaching job and for the first time I am able to make a difference and see it on a daily basis. I also have to serve weekends in jail because of a d.u.i that I earned last year sometime. I worry that if things go to hell here like economic crash followed by looting and possibly martial law that I woudl be stuck in jail. I dont know how many of you have actually had your freedom taken from you physically but it will change what you appreciate. I do not want to be stuck in the clink when anything happens because I have a feeling that they will just keep all the inmates there. I put off the last two weekends because I was worried about all this talk about october 7th and then nothing happened. Then today when I got on avalon everybody was still talking about everything that "could" happen. I know that no matter how prepared we are it is going to hurt for everybody when this system that we ARE all addicted to right now collapses under our feet.

I want to change the system more than anything right now...
But for those of you who believe that our thoughts manifest into reality then I feel like it is pointless to point out all these horrible possabilites. I am not saying that all of them are not relevant to post...

But I do believe that some people are just sifting through news and finding scary conspiritorial stories and posting them on here to self satisfy....

Then look at all the predictions and false theories that have been posted that we have wasted our thought on....

I just feel like we need to laugh and love a little more... maybe throw a party.. while we can!!

[undetected]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

But I do believe that some people are just sifting through news and finding scary conspiritorial stories and posting them on here to self satisfy....

Sure some people do that. But try to imagine how tough the moderators' job is, walking on the line between "weeding out the bad users" and "censorship." You ban anyone posting negative stuff, you get accused of choosing what messages you want here and denying freedom, blabla. You leave them be and you get other users complaining about these users. Not easy to handle all that imo, especially considering how many new posts appear every minute.

Let's just tough it out and deal with whatever people post. Take what you like, ignore the rest. And let the mods do the moderating. You can't have a "perfect" forum on this imperfect planet.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by undetected

Sure some people do that. But try to imagine how tough the moderators' job is, walking on the line between "weeding out the bad users" and "censorship." You ban anyone posting negative stuff, you get accused of choosing what messages you want here and denying freedom, blabla. You leave them be and you get other users complaining about these users. Not easy to handle all that imo, especially considering how many new posts appear every minute.

Let's just tough it out and deal with whatever people post. Take what you like, ignore the rest. And let the mods do the moderating. You can't have a "perfect" forum on this imperfect planet.

i would never take the responsability of being a mod in any forum, not just this one.

[Orion Morris]

Originally Posted by undetected

Sure some people do that. But try to imagine how tough the moderators' job is, walking on the line between "weeding out the bad users" and "censorship." You ban anyone posting negative stuff, you get accused of choosing what messages you want here and denying freedom, blabla. You leave them be and you get other users complaining about these users. Not easy to handle all that imo, especially considering how many new posts appear every minute.

Let's just tough it out and deal with whatever people post. Take what you like, ignore the rest. And let the mods do the moderating. You can't have a "perfect" forum on this imperfect planet.

I understand that the moderators must have one heck of a time trying to sort all this stuff. I applaude the moderators for the way they have came in and put most of the fires out.

But... I posted a thread with a link to a Bill Hicks audio clip
This clip spoke of our spiritual evolution, love, reality, acceptence, god and numerous other very relevant topics. I understand that he spoke of mushrooms and Terrance Mckenna but I do not feel like it deserved to be removed completley.

The thread was cencored.. How is our connection to oneness and spiritual evolution not relevant to the feeling that brought all of us here in the first place.

If it is ok to post hundreds of threads about possibly untrue negative news storeis than how can it not be ok to post one Bill Hicks thread

I woud give you the link here but I do not want any more conflict....
Just run a search for Bill Hicks and magic mushrooms...
give it a listen and tell me if it is not relevant.

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I am sorry if I came across wrong...

Honestly I just got my first teaching job and for the first time I am able to make a difference and see it on a daily basis. I also have to serve weekends in jail because of a d.u.i that I earned last year sometime. I worry that if things go to hell here like economic crash followed by looting and possibly martial law that I woudl be stuck in jail. I dont know how many of you have actually had your freedom taken from you physically but it will change what you appreciate. I do not want to be stuck in the clink when anything happens because I have a feeling that they will just keep all the inmates there. I put off the last two weekends because I was worried about all this talk about october 7th and then nothing happened. Then today when I got on avalon everybody was still talking about everything that "could" happen. I know that no matter how prepared we are it is going to hurt for everybody when this system that we ARE all addicted to right now collapses under our feet.

I want to change the system more than anything right now...
But for those of you who believe that our thoughts manifest into reality then I feel like it is pointless to point out all these horrible possabilites. I am not saying that all of them are not relevant to post...

But I do believe that some people are just sifting through news and finding scary conspiritorial stories and posting them on here to self satisfy....

Then look at all the predictions and false theories that have been posted that we have wasted our thought on....

I just feel like we need to laugh and love a little more... maybe throw a party.. while we can!!

I can see your point of view dude, but the problem is these systems are so big and established it's going to be virtually impossible to replace them without them collapsing. I wish it was different but it isn't- too many people in these systems have too much to lose.

Let's be clear, what we're talking about is the collapse of an almost global empire. It isn't going to be pretty even in best case scenarios. I believe the effects CAN be mitigated, but not avoided entirely. But it has to happen because if it doesn't we're in for a period of darkness that is way beyond the bleakest days of Nazi Germany.

There IS positivity in hoping for the collapse because it makes way for an infinitely more positive alternative.


Edit- Holy s**t! Did I just espouse "ordo ab chao!!!!?????" Please shoot me!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I am sorry if I came across wrong...

Honestly I just got my first teaching job and for the first time I am able to make a difference and see it on a daily basis...

But for those of you who believe that our thoughts manifest into reality then I feel like it is pointless to point out all these horrible possibilities. I am not saying that all of them are not relevant to post...

I just feel like we need to laugh and love a little more... maybe throw a party.. while we can!!

Well in the worst case scenario, what do you think one of the most important jobs will be in a Ground Crew Community? - A teacher...

just for a moment, let your imagination go...

imagine if you could look at someone, feel what they fear and go after the source? If it's nothing, just let it go, but if it is something real, being able to close your eyes and rewrite the story...

Imagine having those abilities, and staying away from negative stories, because of their bad vibes... Are you helping if you close your ears to what you should be listening for?

You are a teacher, imagine the gift of trying to teach a frustrated child, and all you have to do is imagine it in your mind and the child is able to see the image...

Think of a child having nightmares, and you being able to see them, erasing the evil and replacing it with dream that makes them smile...

What if I told you that you already have the ability?

A natural teacher...

for the next dimension...

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Well in the worst case scenario, what do you think one of the most important jobs will be in a Ground Crew Community? - A teacher...

just for a moment, let your imagination go...

imagine if you could look at someone, feel what they fear and go after the source? If it's nothing, just let it go, but if it is something real, being able to close your eyes and rewrite the story...

Imagine having those abilities, and staying away from negative stories, because of their bad vibes... Are you helping if you close your ears to what you should be listening for?

You are a teacher, imagine the gift of trying to teach a frustrated child, and all you have to do is imagine it in your mind and the child is able to see the image...

Think of a child having nightmares, and you being able to see them, erasing the evil and replacing it with dream that makes them smile...

What if I told you that you already have the ability?

A natural teacher...

for the next dimension...

Beautiful Soul~
Thank you.

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I am sorry if I came across wrong...

Honestly I just got my first teaching job and for the first time I am able to make a difference and see it on a daily basis. I also have to serve weekends in jail because of a d.u.i that I earned last year sometime. I worry that if things go to hell here like economic crash followed by looting and possibly martial law that I woudl be stuck in jail. I dont know how many of you have actually had your freedom taken from you physically but it will change what you appreciate. I do not want to be stuck in the clink when anything happens because I have a feeling that they will just keep all the inmates there. I put off the last two weekends because I was worried about all this talk about october 7th and then nothing happened. Then today when I got on avalon everybody was still talking about everything that "could" happen. I know that no matter how prepared we are it is going to hurt for everybody when this system that we ARE all addicted to right now collapses under our feet.

I want to change the system more than anything right now...
But for those of you who believe that our thoughts manifest into reality then I feel like it is pointless to point out all these horrible possabilites. I am not saying that all of them are not relevant to post...

But I do believe that some people are just sifting through news and finding scary conspiritorial stories and posting them on here to self satisfy....

Then look at all the predictions and false theories that have been posted that we have wasted our thought on....

I just feel like we need to laugh and love a little more... maybe throw a party.. while we can!!

Well party boy, your not done paying the price for the last excess so maybe ya better get that done first before you crank up all the good love and laughin and part-A!

fer flips sake! Nobody talk about anything that might make the teacher miffed now. Life is downright terrifying sometimes. Sometimes you need to be prepared for one of lifes little unexpected nightmares. Forewarned is forearmed as kerry always says.

Grow up.

Wow, yet another thread that bemoans our discussions about the anxiety we feel over the collapse of the global banking system, the rising tensions between the two most nuclear armed nations on the planet, the systematic attacks on our civil liberties by our own governments, etc. There is even the standard guy who calls anyone who wants to discuss such things "parasites" and looks forward to the day subscription fees for this site eliminate the regular contributions of many of us. There are several threads started just like this every week, and here we all are arguing again over over nothing - absolutely nothing.

Let's not forget the origins of this site either; a site spawned by the testimony of hard core researchers and new age sooth sayers who painted pictures of a present and possible futures that include alien abduction and experimentation, galactic wars, underground reptilian people eaters, shadow government plans for unbiased holocaust, choreographed warfare, nuclear winter, mass starvation, global pandemics, and list goes on and on. I'll even take you folks who believe that if we here don't think about such things, they won't happen. Have you watched the news or opened a newspaper lately? Have you seen your 401k or your parents' 401k drop by half or two thirds over the last two weeks? Have you seen the car bombs in Iraq and foods riots in Haiti? Have you noticed teenagers beating homeless guys to death for fun, or the rising rates of child abandonment in the U.S. and the Western world? The "wish it away" approach is not working - the nasty stuff posited by the "doom" crowd is manifesting right before our eyes.

And here is the rub: despite what some of you insinuate, it is not the "doom" crowds fault for merely thinking about it.

By your definition, I'm part of the "doom" crowd. I pray every day; ask the great power that spins the universe for global peace, and I often ask for smaller stuff - a hot meal for all the hungry kids on the planet, just for one night, to give them a little comfort in an increasingly uncomfortable world. I hope there is no war, no chaos. But to ignore that wars churn on, several of those kids I prayed for died last night because of malnutrition, and the slide toward chaos is increasing is philosophical and physical suicide. That some of us choose to acknowledge that life exists outside the "ohm circle," that there is much bad stuff going on out there, discuss it, try to figure out potentialities, and then try to figure out the best way to deal with it is only natural. I really resent you folks who accuse people like me of hoping for doom so that it fulfills some sort of chaos fantasy of mine - posts like that are childish pap than run 100% counter to the intent of this forum - to PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE. That you can't cope with the events that surround you and choose to live in a fantasy world of fairies, chants, and pretended elightenment does not make my attempts to make sense of the present and possible futures any less of a noble and intellectual activity.

Hopefully, I'll be there to feed you when your chant circle gets attacked by hungry gang-bangers and national storm-troopers.

[Orion Morris]

historycircus

I never started this thread to badmouth any particular person...

I agree that we shoudl prepare for the future and most importantley just try to find a future.

I do not agree that we should be taking everything that the tv and newspapers are telling us, because their is a reason they want us to be afraid.

I am not going to count on you to feed me but I hope that you will be able to if I ever needed it. I think that alot of the people who are saying they are prepared... really have no idea what prepared would actually consist of. Actually I dont think that you or I or anybody else for that matter, who is not self sustaining RIGHT NOW is prepared.... and another question.... how are you going to save us from the gang banging national storm troopers? With your light saber?

"... But, all the people we've been speaking to today say we're knuckling down for the long haul. As long as these markets recover everything should be fine."

This is a word for word quote from Sky News after announcing that currently the DOW is down 140 points and the FTSE is down 240 points. This follows the $700bn bailout in America, the £50bn bailout in the UK and the announcements of 0.5% interest rate cuts. Still the markets fall.

Given what everyone here knows about the financial system and how it works, does anyone think that the news channels are spreading doom and gloom? Or does it look like they continue to downplay the real situation for all they're worth?

Sorry Orion, but if the TV and newspapers had been honestly reporting what's been happening over the last two hundred years we wouldn't be in this situation.

[AMA-GI]

We have our knowedge,
And for those who dont we teach,
We know what is to become,
So let us be one and go on this journey together,
Supporting each other along the way.

[Orion Morris]

I agree sunrunner....

I believe that they are downplaying the whole thing... their is still no reason to be afriaid..

I also never said that that they were honestly reporting anything... I said the opposite...

For the most part, the people on this fourm are open minded and know not to trust the media.