What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"?

Shakesbeer · 10-11-2008, 05:03 AM

I have seen more evidence supporting the validity of this case then to the contrary which is especially odd since this is by far one of the craziest stories out there.

Here's a quick summation for those too lazy to watch a video!

A guy hiking in the woods runs after his dog who apparently got sense of something close by and went off to attack.

Dr. Reed picks up a log and heads off after him to find that his dog is attacking some kind of small being and has it by the arm. The being desintigrates the dog after ripping it appart. Seeing this obviously disturbed Dr. Reed, so he reacted as he saw was the most logical thing to do in this situation that is....he whacked the thing with the log across the noggin'

Long story short, he takes a bunch of pics and video. Both at the site and at home where he examines in the body.

The story gets much more wild from there, but yes there is photos and video of all of this as well as all kinds of other information (and disinformation) on the subject.

Here's an interview with him on Mexican TV a bit later then the update lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAru5vAmcjI

For those who claim hoax, please provide some evidence that hasn't been addressed in the update lecture about identity there really isn't much info out there that is credible that contradicts Dr. Reed's claims.

Ampgod · 10-11-2008, 09:09 AM

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html

Peace,
Ampgod

10-11-2008, 10:36 AM

It's another UFO alien contact story. May be true, may not be. I personally have no way of verifying or disproving his claims. Don't look to believe things, look to know things. For example, I used to believe that my vote would make a difference. Now I know it doesn't in any meaningful way.

It's just more second hand information.

NOWIAM · 10-11-2008, 12:08 PM

ZIRA brings up an important and hugh psychological consideration that should be addressed. I was raised as a Christian and also, more or less, indoctrinated to believe that All aliens were demons.

Maybe it would be best to start an individual tread on this topic? But for now let me start by using a bit of logic and reasoning to open discussion.

I ask myself. Why does God allows demonic “spiritual” beings to operate or assist in technology like material based humans do? And if God allows demonic forces to use technology does he allow his good angels to also use technology to counter (balance) the demonic technological assistance?

If not why?

However, if God allows both the good angels and bad angels (demons) to use technology then reason dictates that there must be good or even neutral “aliens”.

Also, if God does not sanction good aliens to use technology does this mean that technology is ultimately misleading or useless even for humans, at least spiritually speaking? Or does it simply mean that technology is only supposed to be used by material humans (i.e.: via third dimensional existence).

King Lear · 10-11-2008, 12:17 PM

I've really a problem with this case.
First when i saw the videos (Art Bell), I was totally amazed, thrilled and astonished.

But then I researched the web and found some sites where he was "exposed" and called a fraud.

That disappointed me very much

But taking everything into consideration, I have to say this thing looks so damn genuine.

And it even looks like a humanoid dinsaur, and there tons of rumors that the earthly reptilians are indeed humanoid dinoaurs!

And I've read an interview a couple of days ago, where a Swede claims to have interviewed a female-reptilian.
She also said that they are humanoid dinosaurs, mostly good willed but totally different to us, and that they've huge high developed cities beneath the surface of our earth.

And in the Reed-case there also "dolphin DNA" is mentioned.

And is it not imaginable that the govt. would kidnap the alien, destroy the interior of Reeds house after the search of any videos and photos and then destroy his identity and reputation?

Another possiblity: Reed could have thought that without an academic grade no one would believe him and faked his identity, perhaps also because of fear.

10-11-2008, 01:26 PM

anytime there is this much controversial evidence and lies... chances are its a fake, the truth normally doesnt have many anomalies

Dadrious · 10-11-2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ampgod

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html

Peace,
Ampgod

It is quite unfortunate to see so many links to a CIA owned and operated website on these forums. Seems whenever someone wants to "debunk" a case, they link to ufowatchdog.

Shakesbeer · 10-11-2008, 04:46 PM

I still ask, even if this guy is a -suspenseful pause- "avid photographer" how the hell would he construct such a great model of an ET? Before anyone says "It's not that good" please be at least coming from the stand point of some theatrical make up experience or model making. In which case you'll know that's an impressive "doll" if it's fake.

ufowatchdog seems like the main outlet of that information Dr. Reed refutes in the update. They did have a picture of him at his desk in Washington with his class ring on, so what does that say about his identity?

Posting pictures of him frolicking with his friends and calling him a different name doesn't make it so either..

Shechaiyah · 10-11-2008, 05:06 PM

From the evidence I see it's probably a true incident--another one in which human reactions are reactionary and destructive. The doctor acted LIKE AN IDIOT, so the Government treated him like an idiot.

Clearly, the being was at least four feet tall, which ought to have qualified "him" as a "hominid worth sparing" until HIS story could be told.

There was no REASON that "doctor" needed to assault Some Body because they had vaporized an attacking dog. The Grey was terrified. What else was he to do except vaporize it?

So the dog's owner comes and attacks also? This man is an idiot. He knows about the existence of ETs. We all do. Duh.

What goes around, comes around.

Shech--

ABHA · 11-01-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadrious

It is quite unfortunate to see so many links to a CIA owned and operated website on these forums. Seems whenever someone wants to "debunk" a case, they link to ufowatchdog.

wow ill second that, its thorough to be skeptical about the debunker's too.
They erased his identity! Something happened, personally i believe

cool

goody8504 · 10-22-2008, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ampgod

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html
Ampgod

this site also claims richard hoagland, steven greer, and billy meier are a frauds....seriously? that site is a joke

surviver · 10-12-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shakesbeer

I have seen more evidence supporting the validity of this case then to the contrary which is especially odd since this is by far one of the craziest stories out there.

Here's a quick summation for those too lazy to watch a video!

A guy hiking in the woods runs after his dog who apparently got sense of something close by and went off to attack.

Dr. Reed picks up a log and heads off after him to find that his dog is attacking some kind of small being and has it by the arm. The being desintigrates the dog after ripping it appart. Seeing this obviously disturbed Dr. Reed, so he reacted as he saw was the most logical thing to do in this situation that is....he whacked the thing with the log across the noggin'

Long story short, he takes a bunch of pics and video. Both at the site and at home where he examines in the body.

The story gets much more wild from there, but yes there is photos and video of all of this as well as all kinds of other information (and disinformation) on the subject.

Here's an interview with him on Mexican TV a bit later then the update lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAru5vAmcjI

For those who claim hoax, please provide some evidence that hasn't been addressed in the update lecture about identity there really isn't much info out there that is credible that contradicts Dr. Reed's claims.

Is there an english version of this video out there?

371 · 10-13-2008, 06:09 PM

I'm just curious as to why this guy wrapped the body in Roswell-type 'weather ballon' foil......

argonacon · 10-13-2008, 07:43 PM

well, he was on a hike in the woods. isnt it a survival blanket? maybe it's all he had.

this is one of the most compelling stories ever for extraterrestrial life. if you consider how hard it would be to fake that footage, and ask yourself what dr reed would have gained from the whole were it an elaborate hoax. also, considering the amount of disinfo and subversive attacks made out against this man. i dunno. i say its real. the part that really gets me is when the alien crimples up his face in pain. thats pretty amazing.

371 · 10-13-2008, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by argonacon

well, he was on a hike in the woods. isnt it a survival blanket?

That makes sense.

I gotta say, though- I never trusted this guy. There's something slimy about him IMO...

Shakesbeer · 10-14-2008, 02:15 AM

odd things happen to slime balls too

but yeah I think he says it there in the first lecture video that he used his thermal blanket from his pack.

He recently uploaded a new video for his website on youtube I noticed:

Added September 25th

371 · 10-14-2008, 02:32 AM

Going with his story...

This ET travels all the way across the galaxy to vaporize a dog before meeting a sudden end at the hands of a guy with a big stick??

That alone doesn't jive. I believe stranger things have happened....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shakesbeer

odd things happen to slime balls too :thumb_yello

I'd like to believe it... But there is WAY too much evidence that this guy is a fraud.

Shakesbeer · 10-14-2008, 03:30 AM

Maybe because in our war-ridden minds we can't see how a being would allow themselves to be subjected to something like that. But it seems like the ET's who are benevolent have a very much "hands off" kind of approach. Almost paranoid to start any kind of reaction good or bad. Think about what happened in a Star Trek episode when one of the crew got jumped and held captive, did they start shooting their way in & out? Nope. Second the "stick" Dr Reed used was more of a log that could knock out any human let alone a 4ft tall skinny little being. The simple fact a story is outrageous doesn't negate the possibility of it being real, life is way more wild then fiction.

Are you talking about the ufowatchdog evidence? If so, I ask how they faked the class ring at his desk photo and where is the evidence that can prove that? An ebay record of buying the class ring, something? What about all of his evidence? That still doesn't explain how this "fraud" can come up with such Hollywood effect caliber models either. Most of the "evidence" contrary to his claimed identity as Dr. Jonathan Reed is all hearsay from what I can tell.

norman · 10-17-2008, 04:28 PM

hi all.

5 years ago I was 'blissfully' unaware of any of this sort of stuff and it's only quite recently that I've even heard of the 'Dr JR' case. All the case evidence and all the debunking evidence has hit me all at the same time. It's very intense stuff, on both sides. 'Somebody' is fabricating a lie - and putting a LOT of effort into it.

I'm compelled by all this ferocity against him to go with my gut feeling. It's true!. It's exactly the same feeling I had at the very beginning of my awakening to this whole alien/ufo reality thing when I downloaded a file, by accident, from a file sharing network and first saw with my eyes the photographic images of the document called SOM1-01. I'm sure most of you know the one I mean.

I used be very much into B/W photography and have watched/felt thousands of images 'appear' before my eyes in a developing dish. When I saw the SOM1-01 images for the first time I had a very deep and profound feeling that what I was looking at was absolutely real. As I struggled to read the grainy pages I was shocked and within hours I was even terrified. My whole world-view had taken a 'broadside'. ( still haven't really got over it )

Amongst other convincing factors, Jonathan Reed's account of his experience in the woods resonates with me. He was utterly stunned. And then add to that, what it would feel like, if you'd just murdered someone in a surprise and sudden fight, you were the only person in the world who knew about it and you were struggling to believe it yourself.

As for the debunkers, well. We know, don't we?, that the whole UFOLOGY scene is an information war zone. It's well saturated with 'mechanics' and compromised sheep dogs. As for individuals, I can't say, and if I could, I wouldn't. If disclosure IS on the cards, and 'they' retain control over it, it'll be a disclosure that guides the flock in a predetermined direction of travel. We could all discuss/argue what 'we-think' 'they-think' long into the early hours but 'disclosure' probably means different things to different people.

Don't count on these indications that they are preparing us for news that 'other intelligent life is out there' to lead all the way to FULL disclosure. Ain't gonna happen!. Not THIS side of a total transformation of human life on the planet. Example, I know that Chinese people exist, (please excuse me, if you're Chinese) I've met quite a few of them, they're all over the planet, I can have a perfectly normal chat with my friends about them but I don't know their secrets, least of all their government's secrets or any possible cross-fertilisation between their secrets and 'my' government's secrets.

More to the point, if, before my government had even admitted that anyone other than British subjects existed, I whacked a Russian on the side of the head and chucked him in my freezer,........... think! The secrecy bureaucracy has the same problems as the rest.

Yes, of course I believe Dr Jonathan Reed. Book sales or no book sales. If I believed the mechanics I don't think I would believe any of this stuff at all.

But I do, and because I do, It stands to reason, in my mind, that the rabbit holes go very very deep. After all, I now realise that I've lived my whole life under a deception. We live in a cognitively decapitated society. That took some doing.

norman.

Orion Morris · 10-17-2008, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 371

Going with his story...

This ET travels all the way across the galaxy to vaporize a dog before meeting a sudden end at the hands of a guy with a big stick??

That alone doesn't jive. I believe stranger things have happened....
I'd like to believe it... But there is WAY too much evidence that this guy is a fraud.

This right here is the reason that this story is a lie...
How can you possibly believe that a dog chased down an alien only to get vaporized??? Then this alien who parked his hovering space craft near by proceeds to get in a stick fight with somebody??? He just vaporized a dog?? Then physicaly allowes someone to beat him to death???

ya right

Plus who in their right mind would take it home and video tape it before they reported it...

If I or anybody I know ever found an alien body I would freak out and drive right down to the corender and sherifs department to show them... I would tell as many people as possible as fast as I could... In order to eleminate a cover up...

Its not hard to fake pictures... or video...

Shakesbeer · 10-17-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Orion Morris

Its not hard to fake pictures... or video...

Oh really? Please then, re-produce for us equal quality shots of an alien creature and "obelisk" like Dr. Reed then.

I seriously have worked in prop & mold making too in the realm of the Hollywood effects masters(at & out of a place called Monsters in Motion). Even had some of the people who worked on Star Wars, LOTR, Spiderman, Terminator 3, critique my work with resounding praise. Even THOSE guys would have difficulty reproducing that alien with all the things that where demonstrated on film in real time with no cuts.

In the very least demonstrate that Dr. Reed or any of his associates can produce models to the caliber shown in his photos and video or hired someone to do it.

Steve, I believe the the contents of ufowatchdog have been address in the thread already and on Dr. Reed's on lecture update. Not sure if you looked into that? If you have, then aren't you essentially doing the same thing you're claiming the people who have a differing opinion then you are doing?

trainedobserver · 10-17-2008, 09:08 PM

Reed was debunked and discredited some years ago. Someone has already posted the references.

Shakesbeer · 10-17-2008, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Reed was debunked and discredited some years ago. Someone has already posted the references.

Those "discrediting" bits of information where specifically addressed in a lecture update, not to mention even if he's lying about his identity, no one seems to answer how he "faked" it do they?

I think it's funny the skeptics call hear say when they see the lecture update but they don't say the same thing about the guys who allegedly knew Dr. Reed by the other name according to ufowatchdog do they?

If you debunkers want to "debunk" anything I suggest you look at the "how" this "hoax" was done then. Not with hear say, but with hard evidence tying this man to some kind of fabrication source for all of the submitted extra terrestrial evidence.

goody8504 · 10-22-2008, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

This right here is the reason that this story is a lie...
How can you possibly believe that a dog chased down an alien only to get vaporized??? Then this alien who parked his hovering space craft near by proceeds to get in a stick fight with somebody??? He just vaporized a dog?? Then physicaly allowes someone to beat him to death???

ya right

Plus who in their right mind would take it home and video tape it before they reported it...

If I or anybody I know ever found an alien body I would freak out and drive right down to the corender and sherifs department to show them... I would tell as many people as possible as fast as I could... In order to eleminate a cover up...

Its not hard to fake pictures... or video...

you should do a little more research. in the youtube i saw, reed claims it was more like the suit grabbed onto the dog, not the alien. reed used a stick, keeping well over an arms length away from the ET.

secondly, he wasn't beaten to death, merely knocked out for awhile.

finally, just because YOU would contact the authorities immediately doesn't mean everybody should be expected to do the same. you'd better believe if i ever had the option of recording an ET it's the very first thing i'd do. calling the "authorities" would be the last thing on my mind.

pilot · 10-18-2008, 02:50 AM

I had never heard of this case before today, and so I watched the whole series of youtube videos of the presentation and at first it was interesting and outrageous enough to keep me watching, then it started to feel like a very elaborate con job...it's the people involved on the film that I got this weird vibe from, esp. the Jonathan Reed guy. He twice displayed grammatical errors that were inconsistent with a PhD. It may have been nerves, but the gal from that yahoo group asked him a question and his answer included the word "broughted" instead of "brought". OK? She seemed to unnerve him, not her question which was fairly innocuous. He visibly squirmed.

Time wasted. I wonder who's behind this ****?

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10-11-2008, 05:03 AM	#1
Shakesbeer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: socal Posts: 114	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? I have seen more evidence supporting the validity of this case then to the contrary which is especially odd since this is by far one of the craziest stories out there. Here's a quick summation for those too lazy to watch a video! A guy hiking in the woods runs after his dog who apparently got sense of something close by and went off to attack. Dr. Reed picks up a log and heads off after him to find that his dog is attacking some kind of small being and has it by the arm. The being desintigrates the dog after ripping it appart. Seeing this obviously disturbed Dr. Reed, so he reacted as he saw was the most logical thing to do in this situation that is....he whacked the thing with the log across the noggin' Long story short, he takes a bunch of pics and video. Both at the site and at home where he examines in the body. The story gets much more wild from there, but yes there is photos and video of all of this as well as all kinds of other information (and disinformation) on the subject. Here's an interview with him on Mexican TV a bit later then the update lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAru5vAmcjI For those who claim hoax, please provide some evidence that hasn't been addressed in the update lecture about identity there really isn't much info out there that is credible that contradicts Dr. Reed's claims. Last edited by Shakesbeer; 10-11-2008 at 05:05 AM.

10-11-2008, 09:09 AM	#2
Ampgod Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 310	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html Peace, Ampgod Last edited by Ampgod; 10-11-2008 at 01:59 PM.

10-11-2008, 10:36 AM	#3
Steve_G Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? It's another UFO alien contact story. May be true, may not be. I personally have no way of verifying or disproving his claims. Don't look to believe things, look to know things. For example, I used to believe that my vote would make a difference. Now I know it doesn't in any meaningful way. It's just more second hand information.

10-11-2008, 12:08 PM	#4
NOWIAM Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 41	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? ZIRA brings up an important and hugh psychological consideration that should be addressed. I was raised as a Christian and also, more or less, indoctrinated to believe that All aliens were demons. Maybe it would be best to start an individual tread on this topic? But for now let me start by using a bit of logic and reasoning to open discussion. I ask myself. Why does God allows demonic “spiritual” beings to operate or assist in technology like material based humans do? And if God allows demonic forces to use technology does he allow his good angels to also use technology to counter (balance) the demonic technological assistance? If not why? However, if God allows both the good angels and bad angels (demons) to use technology then reason dictates that there must be good or even neutral “aliens”. Also, if God does not sanction good aliens to use technology does this mean that technology is ultimately misleading or useless even for humans, at least spiritually speaking? Or does it simply mean that technology is only supposed to be used by material humans (i.e.: via third dimensional existence).

10-11-2008, 12:17 PM	#5
King Lear Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Not S-4 Posts: 306	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? I've really a problem with this case. First when i saw the videos (Art Bell), I was totally amazed, thrilled and astonished. But then I researched the web and found some sites where he was "exposed" and called a fraud. That disappointed me very much But taking everything into consideration, I have to say this thing looks so damn genuine. And it even looks like a humanoid dinsaur, and there tons of rumors that the earthly reptilians are indeed humanoid dinoaurs! And I've read an interview a couple of days ago, where a Swede claims to have interviewed a female-reptilian. She also said that they are humanoid dinosaurs, mostly good willed but totally different to us, and that they've huge high developed cities beneath the surface of our earth. And in the Reed-case there also "dolphin DNA" is mentioned. And is it not imaginable that the govt. would kidnap the alien, destroy the interior of Reeds house after the search of any videos and photos and then destroy his identity and reputation? Another possiblity: Reed could have thought that without an academic grade no one would believe him and faked his identity, perhaps also because of fear. Last edited by King Lear; 10-11-2008 at 12:20 PM.

10-11-2008, 01:26 PM	#6
OceanWinds Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? anytime there is this much controversial evidence and lies... chances are its a fake, the truth normally doesnt have many anomalies

10-11-2008, 04:46 PM	#8
Shakesbeer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: socal Posts: 114	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? I still ask, even if this guy is a -suspenseful pause- "avid photographer" how the hell would he construct such a great model of an ET? Before anyone says "It's not that good" please be at least coming from the stand point of some theatrical make up experience or model making. In which case you'll know that's an impressive "doll" if it's fake. ufowatchdog seems like the main outlet of that information Dr. Reed refutes in the update. They did have a picture of him at his desk in Washington with his class ring on, so what does that say about his identity? Posting pictures of him frolicking with his friends and calling him a different name doesn't make it so either..

10-11-2008, 05:06 PM	#9
Shechaiyah Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: in cyberspace Posts: 225	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? From the evidence I see it's probably a true incident--another one in which human reactions are reactionary and destructive. The doctor acted LIKE AN IDIOT, so the Government treated him like an idiot. Clearly, the being was at least four feet tall, which ought to have qualified "him" as a "hominid worth sparing" until HIS story could be told. There was no REASON that "doctor" needed to assault Some Body because they had vaporized an attacking dog. The Grey was terrified. What else was he to do except vaporize it? So the dog's owner comes and attacks also? This man is an idiot. He knows about the existence of ETs. We all do. Duh. What goes around, comes around. Shech--

10-13-2008, 06:09 PM	#13
371 Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 503	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? I'm just curious as to why this guy wrapped the body in Roswell-type 'weather ballon' foil......

10-13-2008, 07:43 PM	#14
argonacon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 35	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? well, he was on a hike in the woods. isnt it a survival blanket? maybe it's all he had. this is one of the most compelling stories ever for extraterrestrial life. if you consider how hard it would be to fake that footage, and ask yourself what dr reed would have gained from the whole were it an elaborate hoax. also, considering the amount of disinfo and subversive attacks made out against this man. i dunno. i say its real. the part that really gets me is when the alien crimples up his face in pain. thats pretty amazing.

10-14-2008, 02:15 AM	#16
Shakesbeer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: socal Posts: 114	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? odd things happen to slime balls too but yeah I think he says it there in the first lecture video that he used his thermal blanket from his pack. He recently uploaded a new video for his website on youtube I noticed: Added September 25th

10-14-2008, 03:30 AM	#18
Shakesbeer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: socal Posts: 114	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? Maybe because in our war-ridden minds we can't see how a being would allow themselves to be subjected to something like that. But it seems like the ET's who are benevolent have a very much "hands off" kind of approach. Almost paranoid to start any kind of reaction good or bad. Think about what happened in a Star Trek episode when one of the crew got jumped and held captive, did they start shooting their way in & out? Nope. Second the "stick" Dr Reed used was more of a log that could knock out any human let alone a 4ft tall skinny little being. The simple fact a story is outrageous doesn't negate the possibility of it being real, life is way more wild then fiction. Are you talking about the ufowatchdog evidence? If so, I ask how they faked the class ring at his desk photo and where is the evidence that can prove that? An ebay record of buying the class ring, something? What about all of his evidence? That still doesn't explain how this "fraud" can come up with such Hollywood effect caliber models either. Most of the "evidence" contrary to his claimed identity as Dr. Jonathan Reed is all hearsay from what I can tell. Last edited by Shakesbeer; 10-14-2008 at 03:35 AM.

10-17-2008, 04:28 PM	#19
norman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 118	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? hi all. 5 years ago I was 'blissfully' unaware of any of this sort of stuff and it's only quite recently that I've even heard of the 'Dr JR' case. All the case evidence and all the debunking evidence has hit me all at the same time. It's very intense stuff, on both sides. 'Somebody' is fabricating a lie - and putting a LOT of effort into it. I'm compelled by all this ferocity against him to go with my gut feeling. It's true!. It's exactly the same feeling I had at the very beginning of my awakening to this whole alien/ufo reality thing when I downloaded a file, by accident, from a file sharing network and first saw with my eyes the photographic images of the document called SOM1-01. I'm sure most of you know the one I mean. I used be very much into B/W photography and have watched/felt thousands of images 'appear' before my eyes in a developing dish. When I saw the SOM1-01 images for the first time I had a very deep and profound feeling that what I was looking at was absolutely real. As I struggled to read the grainy pages I was shocked and within hours I was even terrified. My whole world-view had taken a 'broadside'. ( still haven't really got over it ) Amongst other convincing factors, Jonathan Reed's account of his experience in the woods resonates with me. He was utterly stunned. And then add to that, what it would feel like, if you'd just murdered someone in a surprise and sudden fight, you were the only person in the world who knew about it and you were struggling to believe it yourself. As for the debunkers, well. We know, don't we?, that the whole UFOLOGY scene is an information war zone. It's well saturated with 'mechanics' and compromised sheep dogs. As for individuals, I can't say, and if I could, I wouldn't. If disclosure IS on the cards, and 'they' retain control over it, it'll be a disclosure that guides the flock in a predetermined direction of travel. We could all discuss/argue what 'we-think' 'they-think' long into the early hours but 'disclosure' probably means different things to different people. Don't count on these indications that they are preparing us for news that 'other intelligent life is out there' to lead all the way to FULL disclosure. Ain't gonna happen!. Not THIS side of a total transformation of human life on the planet. Example, I know that Chinese people exist, (please excuse me, if you're Chinese) I've met quite a few of them, they're all over the planet, I can have a perfectly normal chat with my friends about them but I don't know their secrets, least of all their government's secrets or any possible cross-fertilisation between their secrets and 'my' government's secrets. More to the point, if, before my government had even admitted that anyone other than British subjects existed, I whacked a Russian on the side of the head and chucked him in my freezer,........... think! The secrecy bureaucracy has the same problems as the rest. Yes, of course I believe Dr Jonathan Reed. Book sales or no book sales. If I believed the mechanics I don't think I would believe any of this stuff at all. But I do, and because I do, It stands to reason, in my mind, that the rabbit holes go very very deep. After all, I now realise that I've lived my whole life under a deception. We live in a cognitively decapitated society. That took some doing. norman.

10-17-2008, 09:08 PM	#22
trainedobserver Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 284	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? Reed was debunked and discredited some years ago. Someone has already posted the references.

10-18-2008, 02:50 AM	#25
pilot Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OK Posts: 153	Re: What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"? I had never heard of this case before today, and so I watched the whole series of youtube videos of the presentation and at first it was interesting and outrageous enough to keep me watching, then it started to feel like a very elaborate con job...it's the people involved on the film that I got this weird vibe from, esp. the Jonathan Reed guy. He twice displayed grammatical errors that were inconsistent with a PhD. It may have been nerves, but the gal from that yahoo group asked him a question and his answer included the word "broughted" instead of "brought". OK? She seemed to unnerve him, not her question which was fairly innocuous. He visibly squirmed. Time wasted. I wonder who's behind this ****?