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building and creating a self sustainable eco community will no doubt take enourmous reserves and dedication of many people...however, ANYTHING is possible!! take a look at the incredible independent community of DAMANHUR... they built TEMPLES INTO A MOUNTAIN - IN SECRET!
http:/www.damanhur.com for many years now they have been running independently with their own currency schooling university spiritual ethics and soooooo much more...it really is a total inspiration to see what can be achieved by the collective consciousness of a group of people..... REGARDING COMMUNITIES IN THE MAKING..Ask questions, do research, have conversations, make a decision!!! BUT mostly we have to trust our instincts in where we are guided to go and what to do... |
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hello conde,
where do i start ok! Its Jason and Elize, from Holland, have been looking into safe locations for quite a long time now, have looked so far in the UK, but does not seem that safe, also Munich near the black woods, seems a good location but too many nuclear power stations, One thing for sure and that is we need to get out of holland, Have been looking into possibilities, and the best idea is to get out of europe all together. We would be very interested in being part of the Sanctuary in Ecuardor, we have many skills to offer, first of all im a qualified carpenter, but now work in I.T in the financial sector. used to play around with CB radio and also know quite abit about growing with hydroponics. together me and Elize are very open people and spiritual minded, oh i also do fire poi, little bit of entertainment is always good!, its really cool to watch and would be very relaxing at the end of a hard day. check it out on google pictures! we always try to live in a positive way in this very negative word! at the moment we are building up our suvival supplies and getting organised. would love to be considered to be part of the Sanctuary! greeting from jason and Elize |
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Location: Quito, Ecuador
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Hi Conde
Thank you for asking me to join your group of friends. I live in Quito and can tell you quite a bit about Ecuador. Yes... there are amazing high snowcapped volcanoes - Cotopaxi, Cayambe, Pichincha, The Altars, Ruminahui, Pululuauha etc all visible and an easy distance from Quito. Tungurahua which has been very active lately is near Banos and quite a way from Quito. Pichincha which is right beside Quito last erupted through the Guagua caldera in 1999... it apparently emitted ash for a couple of days. Quito is at altitude 3,500m and most of the mountains around top 4,500-5,500m. So it takes a little while to acclimitise to the altitude., Quito is a very old town and the long valley that forms it is surrounded by farms and beautiful soil to a very great depth on the sides of the mountains that line sides of the valleys wherever you look. The Centro Historico is the first Patrimonio declared by UN and there has been much restoration carried out over the last 5 years and it is truly lovely to walk through. The city dates back to the late 15th early 16th century in its development. The climate up here is eternal spring... no winter, summer or autumn, which really doesn't suit desiduous trees like the London Plane although Poplars do well in Quito and are used as a street tree. The Coast is quite hot and humid and the beaches relatively undeveloped in comparison to Australia or US and not pristine like Australia. The sand is more black and the water fairly murky not aqua and clear. So the beach is not for me here and I don't really like being hot so Quito is perfect for me. So if you want to walk around in shorts and tshirt perhaps the mountains are not for you. Although Quito can be warm during the day - normal range 10 - 28 degrees celsius every day all year! no daylight saving as being right on the equator there is 12 hours of sunlight every day all year which makes for easy crop growing. It interests me to know if you are just wanting to be a self-sufficient colony or intendi to export or manufature products either medical or general food items. There is a population of approx 14 million of which the top 5% are very wealthy and there is a growing middle group but about 65% poverty with many people living on $2 or less per day. I know we live in a changing world and things will no doubt operate differently in the future to now but now is all we have to relate to. The economy here is fragile and it is a small country with oil at present but technology changes will dramatically affect the oil position in the near future I believe, so countries that think they are wealthy with that now will be doing a rethink soon I venture. There is an election here on 28 September about changing the constitution. President Correa who is young and representing many changes with a sustained battle against corruption has some people wondering whether he is planning to set himself up as the next dictator. So perhaps his changes to the constitution will not be approved. An yway, time will tell. All the indigenes here are the farmers and land dwellers. Fruit and vegetables in fantastic diversity are available here very cheaply. So don't think you will make your fortunes here growing and distributing fromn your farm. As an Australian, my friends are amazed at the difference in price here to Australia which like all western countries is experiencing great food pricess because of the cost of fuel in production and delivery of goods to the markets. Dr Brian O'Leary, Astronaut, has moved to Vilcabamba with his partner to their wonderful new development called Montesuenos which I understand is to be a commercial retreat and spiritual haven. I live in Quito and would like to move to something out of Quito, in the near future, nearby but out of town, where I can continue my gourmet food business which currently makes 2 types of Pates which are available in leading supermarkets and delis. I am planning to expand my product range in the near future by 2 products. The registration of products with the necessary authorities here for retail is about $1,000 per product and then there is the time and delay involved and the costs of advertising and promnoting products. There is definitely a lot of opportunity to develop different things here because the delicatessens are pretty limited in what they offer. I have made my focus on using the good and cheap local products to make something truly tasty and different increasing the product diversity available here and it appears to be appreciated. It is certainly helpful to have a command of Spanish, although I have muddled through with spanglish and my castellano is improving slowly. You might find it interesting to experience the chaotic mind that seems to pervade all Latin America. All information is very secretive, the processes very bureaucratic and at times completely irrational and dogmatic, such as the banking procedures, tax, registrations of all kinds from cars to business licences, etc. If there is a hard way to do anything it is employed here. In fact as a very efficient and organised Australian I have had difficulty in just coming to terms with the "manana" (definitely a spanish/latin american word) attitude which means that what you can put off until tomorrow is a good thing. So time does not seem to matter here and people are slack with keeping appointments or meeting commitments. It can be very tedious at times. The people are very friendly and will promise you the world and then do nothing. Where abouts are your Ecuadorian relatives? Buying property is an artform here and requires much negotiation and patience in the process. Certainly you do not come here flashing money around as you will be taken advantage of. The cost of living here is about a quarter of that of Australia, US or UK. Also the construction of houses needs to be really evaluated because sometimes things are a bit shoddy. Building materials are cheap and so construction is not a major expense. So there is something to keep you in contemplation. I also have had much correspondence with George Green and believe that he intends to relocate to near Cuenca sometime in the future. I don't think very negatively and believe that although there will be financial crashes and restructuring of governments and earth changes (which are happening now) that it will not be the total disaster that many are predicting. I focus only on expansion of consciousness of humanity , which means focusing on my own development which will be mirrored in my environment. I dream of how I want the world to be and that is important as a daily focus. Thought is the catalyst for change and obtaining our desired result. Let me know if I can answer any questions you may have. Kind regards, |
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Good post, noelineC. People need to realize that Latin America is an entirely different cultural entity than the US, Europe, Canada, or Australia, with each LatAm country having their own version. Expect corruption and bureacratic delay. Expect dishonesty and stealing; most of South America is dirt-poor and they see all gringos as being wealthy and a potential source of easy money. Accept that right up front.
Imagine a place where you are rich because you own a mason's trowel and a hammer and can feed your family? Where if you are not careful, someone will steal your tools and tomorrow you will be out of work because you don't have money to buy new ones. Do not think that the country and people are sitting around waiting for your new ideas which they will gladly embrace. Do not go there expecting to fix the country's problems; you won't. Bring your ideas and your goals, expecting them to change when confronted with reality. Self-sufficiency in food, shelter, tools, and skills are primary. Securing all possessions and buildings from theft is primary too. Making friends with the locals is a must, but keep in mind that you want respect, too. Set clear rules and live by them. If you start being over-generous you will be taken advantage of. Relying on an outside source of income, such as exporting medicines or herbs to wealthy countries, will not, I think, last very long. Go there with the idea that you may have to live just like the natives for a while, and I don't mean the wealthy elite. Your education and skills are your most valuable assets; what you know may be rare in South America, but one needs to find out their practical application to the given environment. Anyone looking for security or a safe, sure thing? You might as well stay where you are. |
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Hi beloved folks,
I come from Germany and I just met with some really beautiful people. I have been guided by many synchronicities until this very day and I found some old soul-mates of mine with whom I made an agreement before I incarnated here on earth this time. I feel blessed that we now come to join eachother in peace and love and in order to create a new way of living, here on planet earth. I will go to Ecuador as soon as I receive the sign from my inner guidance. As I just said- I met my old cosmic-friends just some days ago- and they already live in Ecuador and invited me to come there and create something beautiful and great. We all have to accept and thankfully embrace human creation as a positive force that can be done only by open-minded, open-hearted and peaceful individuals who share a common dream of love, peace and freedom for the future. I feel so blessed that things finally speed up! All my life I was aware of this very moment to come- and in deep abundance- I thank you all from the bottom of my heart!!! Thank you for making things possible! I love you all! Ananda P.S.: As soon as I know where exactly I will be in Ecuador I will give you more details and the chance to participate on the project. |
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Also considering moving to ecuador, some info below
If you want to mineralze the soil then use Himalaya crystal salt or Celstic Sea Salt. You do not need a product created by man, nature supplies everything we need. Thechnology was never needed for agriculture. Simple rule; if it is made by man don't eat it ,put it on your skin etc. |
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http://www.fungi.com/mycogrow/index.html Fungi Perfecti®: MycoGrow™ mycorrhizal products YOU STILL HAVE TO BUY SALT SO LETS NOT PICK HAIRS. DONT SALT YOUR FOOD UNTIL YOU EAT IT LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ON A SERIOUS NOTE IM NOT SELLING ANYTHING i JUST WANT TO SHARE AND PLEASE TAKE THIS AS CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM i REALLY DONT WANT PEOPLE TO HURT THEIR PLANTS (NO SALT) OR i WOULD HAVE KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT |
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I'd say both mu2143 and Estepechito are partly right and partly wrong. Sea salt is a good source of micro-trace minerals, as the sea and ancient seabed salt deposits have had all of the minerals on Earth washed into them. The high sodium content can be harmful, but not on most non-coastal soils. 5-10 lbs per 1000 sqft (100 sqmts) is safe.
Fungi are very valuable for releasing minerals that are tied up in the native soil and rocks, but only if those minerals actually exist in that native soil. The Iodine found in sea salt is leached out of most soils, for instance. www.soilminerals.com |
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I was also talking in terms of contamination as well. your right what every mineral is not there I like to add just that, like a lawn yellowing, gets iron if its not somthing else like over watering. Im also looking at cost$. I use dead organic material and mushies to make a compost test the soils for mineral contant and ph. All for pennies. Yes Im not hard of hearing Ihear the benifets if salt but one way seems more accurate. salt will not for the love of god CLEAN your dirt. mushies eat oil |
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And yes, I'm aware of the work with fungi that eat up oil spills and decontaminate soil, but surely you are not trying to grow food on a soil contaminated with oil? |
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As for testing I have a probe with a little water I can see almost everything in there. There are a few test though, and they can all be done at home. heres a link, though this is not the tool I use, they some it up .http://www.lamotte.com/pages/soil/index.html We can do these things and much more. WHy even work on the land if you could not fix it, and eat, and live?! the key word is RECLAIM build your own kit http://soils.usda.gov/SQI/assessment/test_kit.html http://www.farmnetservices.com/direc...esting-Probes/ Last edited by DMAN; 10-28-2008 at 02:31 AM. |
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I'm familiar with Paul Stamets' work with oyster mushrooms. But y'know, there really isn't any need to try to grow food on contaminated land; there's plenty of clean land around. Decontaminate soil and grow a lawn or ornamentals, not food. Grow food on clean land. |
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I gave the example, that people don't really know what is on there land or what has been there. So, as a precushion and preventive maintenance well, ya'know. Paul dose not work with just oysters, there is a broad spectrum of these little fellers to do the job thoroughly. some people have to save there land. not just move next door(sweep it under the rug). You can over time make a kit for about 300 that will last and can be shared. Yes this is not for all. Some people cant cook let alone take a ph and do a comparison. And we need to clean our land so we can drink its water ext.............. To say its not clean, is just your fear of what it was. These ideas(home testing need to be known not to be outsourced to a lab. Plus you have to test different areas at different times to achieve an accurate read. Pass it down to your kids or friends, Also never do these things alone, they can be costly but not in the long run. Its like buying solar panels,costly but worth every penny. |
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I'm not arguing against the ability to detox oil spills and contaminated soil. I use a product called BioZome which is a collection of primitive archaeobacteria collected from harsh environments around the world. It will break down even nasties like dioxins and chlorinated hydrocarbons. I use it to jump-start compost and to seed new garden soils and crops with beneficial bacteria.
I also use a product called MycoApply MAXX that is mostly symbiotic fungi with some beneficial bacteria added. It's not from Stamets, but from mycorrhizalsolutions.com, IIRC. I'm aware of this stuff, though my main focus is soil minerals. Check out my web site: www.soilminerals.com lots of free iinfo on soil mineral balancing. If one is forced to grow crops on a city lot, i agree it would be a good idea to decontaminate it first. If one has country property where the fields have had many years of pesticides used, ditto. I would still advise anyone growing food for their family to find the cleanest land they can unless they have no choice, but I still recommend a fungi-bacteria package for all new gardens and crop fields. The LaMotte test and the standard soil test have different purposes. The standard test measures reserves, what is potentially available. The LaMotte test measures what is immediately available. I have a hard enough time convincing people just to spend $20 on a standard test. |
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"WE all need to do somthing and i understand biz but the test are to determain what is or is not there and then you add or subtract what you need. plase dont get me wrong you site is good for those who cant or wont learn. you make it simple for them like fast food. I know its not easy. I dont think there is one thing that you can put done that will keep the ratios balanced anyway thats why we test for all those different elements, to determain the recipe."
Not everyone is interested in learning soil mineral balancing or agronomy. I have been pushing the soil mineral message for years and it is not easy. What people want is what you said, a magic bullet that solves all problems. It isn't going to happen. The BLOOM fertilizer we sell has everything needed to grow great food, but it is expensive and no way could a farmer afford to use it on acreage. The trace mineral amendment we sell covers only the minor and trace minerals, not the major ones like Ca, Mg, N, P, and K. The problem is that even if people get the concept of mineral balanced soil = healthy plants, people, and animals, very few are willing to learn how to do it. Most people get the purpose of physicians and nutritionists, but few are willing to study and learn to become a doctor or nutritionist, right? There are millions of doctors in the world, but only a few dozen real soil physicians with a focus on sustainable agriculture.. That needs to change, and my focus is on education. Most gardeners of my acquaintance will spend a lot of money on seeds and garden tools but have never put out the $20 it costs to have their soil tested. The conventional organic wisdom (what my friend Gary Kline calls the sacred COW) claims that all one needs is more compost, more organic matter, more mulch. This is dangerously wrong if one is going to try to feed themself and others. Glad to make your acquaintance, friend. Keep me posted on your progress with the home soil testing. |
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Saludos a todos,seria bueno que en tu granja, tengas varias formulas con plantas para distintas enfermedades, en estos tiempos en que nos va a tocar vivir en dificiles situaciones en que la medicina escaceara, sera necesario estudiar las plantas que son una exelente alternativa para curar todas las enfermedades incluyendo el cancer.
Es bueno que se bajen este libro del maestro Samael Aun Weor que nos enseña que solo un ser vivo como son las plantas, pueden curar a una persona enferma inclusive a larga distancia. Samael nos enseña que es realmente el alma de la planta la que cura, esta elementoterapia nos permite sanar a cualquier enfermo. Imprimanlo y tengalo a mano que algun dia les hara falta. http://www.gnosishoy.com/libros.html Tratado de medicina oculta: http://www.gnosishoy.com/libros/avan...scar.php?ur=36 |
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Introduction:
We are intentional community located 10 minutes from the world famous valley of longevity name Vilcabamba, Ecuador in south America. We are part of the Utopian EcoVillage Network Federations and founders of the Federation. We are seeking people who have a strong desire to live communally. We are part a network of intentional communities throughout the world linked with similar values to support each other for the creation of a new society. The basic intention of our community is to be a pilot model demonstration of how to live in a real New World consciousness of sharing on all levels: financially, spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically. www.LosVisionarios.org |
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That sounds really cool. Perhaps you should look into the Keppe motor out of Brazil if you haven't already...Tao
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Conde,
I have a question. Why not stay and try to fix things instead of running away? I don't get it. |
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Stay? the whole earth will be affected. I also have family there and its easier to grow food on my own land than where I am currantly. And ask yourself this are you a patriot consitering all others, Im not, Im a earthling, I think, Not an American, though I have been feed that stars and strips ******** all my life, dose not mean that I cant grow out of it. The easiest thing I can to is leave and get back to earth. Im a opptamist but I dont see the good side of america. haters the whole lot of them. Its just hard to find like minded people. I want animals and plants friends family and love and a real sence of community. las vegas cannot provide any of these things for me.
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If the whole earth will be affected, why leave?
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Who is going to feed my family. People are losing jobs from outsourcing and contracts and for what, for the few, not the many. I need some balance and a real sense of community. I want to help, I am embarassed that I see things the way they are. I feel are fathers lets us down. So I will make way. Let some one else hold these ideas true, because I dont. You can have it. Im going back to the land. She needs me like I need her. |
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