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Old 09-10-2008, 07:57 AM   #1
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Is this a wind up?!...can u honestly not see the importance of uncovering the informaiton being kept from the public..be it regarding alternative energy, a secret space programme, depopulation etc etc... Can u not see how keeping us in the dark about such monumental information and for such a large amount of time is grossly wrong and unnacceptable?! OR do u think we dont have the right to know?
I really dont care who the person was or people were, i stand by anyone who is trying to bring forward information that is being wrongly witheld...whether that involves hacking into someone elses computer system or stealing their secret diary....these are subjects which have deliberately been hidden from us.
However ''bad'' the crime was and whatever the ''law'' states..it can not be as bad as the crime committed against humanity and the laws of ''freedom'' we have to abide by in my opinion. So with that in mind anyone who tries to free up information on issues which are quite clearly very sensitive and worth lying about on a massive global scale are courageous and undoubtedly attain hero status.

I agree with ucan...leg it son...do a runner

Peace

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Old 09-10-2008, 09:04 AM   #2
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Yeah, its seems murmot doesnt quite get it, or he would prefer to stick up for the laws of a corrupt government than defend the rights of a man whos tried to bring supressed information to the people who have a right to know about it!

Makes me kinda suspicious

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Old 09-10-2008, 11:49 PM   #3
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Yeah, its seems murmot doesnt quite get it, or he would prefer to stick up for the laws of a corrupt government than defend the rights of a man whos tried to bring supressed information to the people who have a right to know about it!

Makes me kinda suspicious

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Here come the new boss, same as the old boss.

Mark my words....T Ptb know far less about what is going on than you think.

They are in a loss-loss scenario.

No matter is the real truth is disclosed, most won't believe it.

You won't believe, because you will say it does not go far enough.

Joe six pack won't believe, because it goes too far.

I don't need to get my truth from the Govt.

Govt's are not about truth, never have been , never will be...and that is a fact.

It is about control.

I support the quest for the truth, through peaceful, law abiding means.

I drew my line...just where do your draw yours?
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:56 PM   #4
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[MOD EDIT]
Ok people, the thread is now open again, but with conditions
There have been some very good arguments put across both for,and against Garys conduct in this thread.

The major sticking points have been Garys treament by the PTB,and the fact that in some peoples opinions Gary should be regarded as some sort of folk hero.

Everyone has the right to an opinion, but not the right to impose thier opinion onto others. Please bear that in mind before posting!

My locking of the thread was not a form of censorship on any individual, it was an enforced time out to allow everyone to calm down

Healthy debate & questioning are good - personal attacks & insults are not

Gary McKinnon is a former Project Camelot interviewee, and therefore should be afforded the same courtesy that is shown to other Project camelot interviewee's by members of this forum.

I shall be watching this thread closely & any repeat of yesterdays behaviour will leave me no option other than to close the thread permenantly,and issue warnings to those concerned
[END OF SERMON]
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:28 AM   #5
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:25 AM   #6
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It would be heroic for Gary to push for a jury trial of his peers (which might drag out for years) and force the US gov to accept evidence and testimony from Dan and Marci and maybe some surprise wittnesses.

Good Luck Gary, and Best Wishes...(Give'em Hell)...!

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Old 09-12-2008, 02:24 AM   #7
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It would be heroic for Gary to push for a jury trial of his peers (which might drag out for years) and force the US gov to accept evidence and testimony from Dan and Marci and maybe some surprise wittnesses.

Good Luck Gary, and Best Wishes...(Give'em Hell)...!

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Is that really in Gary's best interest to go to trial when he has admitted his guilt?


This perplexes me...many of Gary's supporters want Gary to have no charges, no charges enforced or they want a trial.

Why not plead to a lesser term especially when he does not deny the hacking?

Even if the Govt admitted the ufo cover up, Gary has still admitted the hacking.

What good does Dan and Marci testifying do?

And what evidence do they bring to the table?

Many seem to want to bet Gary's possible long sentence if he goes to trial on the premise that it could bring disclosure......this is not in Gary's best interest. Then he does face the maximum jail time.

Gary has made poor decisions to this point.

Are there those that would encourage yet another mistake?
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:31 AM   #8
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Sorry if I was hard on Gary.

My problem is not with Gary, but with the symbol Gary has become.

I hope Gary gets no or very little time.

But if Gary is the best example of a hero the ufo community can come up with, ufology is deader than dead.

Many of us, including me, have a predisposition to believe in anything that promotes the idea of an evil Ptb cover-up.

Certainly all is not what it seems, nor all has been told.

Govts have secrets, always have and always will.

But when it is obvious, that the facts about Gary's have been manipulated, to promote public sympathy, don't we have a duty to point that out?

How can ufology ever be taken seriously, when it can't get the simplest of facts straight about this case.

Gary does not deserve hard time, but he does not deserve special treatment either.
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:03 PM   #9
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Yeah, its seems murmot doesnt quite get it, or he would prefer to stick up for the laws of a corrupt government than defend the rights of a man whos tried to bring supressed information to the people who have a right to know about it!

Makes me kinda suspicious

CT
Makes me very suspicious as well. Just the sort of opinion that I´d expect Garys prosecutors to have.

The motto of the MacKinnon family is:

"Fortune favours the daring"

Let´s hope its true.
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:13 PM   #10
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Makes me very suspicious as well. Just the sort of opinion that I´d expect Garys prosecutors to have.

The motto of the MacKinnon family is:

"Fortune favours the daring"

Let´s hope its true.
Gary's side has distorted the facts.

Lies are not the way.

Not every conspiracy theory is true.

Gary has gotten terrible legal advice....and it amazes me that most don't see this.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:41 PM   #11
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Is this a wind up?!...can u honestly not see the importance of uncovering the informaiton being kept from the public..be it regarding alternative energy, a secret space programme, depopulation etc etc... Can u not see how keeping us in the dark about such monumental information and for such a large amount of time is grossly wrong and unnacceptable?! OR do u think we dont have the right to know?
I really dont care who the person was or people were, i stand by anyone who is trying to bring forward information that is being wrongly witheld...whether that involves hacking into someone elses computer system or stealing their secret diary....these are subjects which have deliberately been hidden from us.
However ''bad'' the crime was and whatever the ''law'' states..it can not be as bad as the crime committed against humanity and the laws of ''freedom'' we have to abide by in my opinion. So with that in mind anyone who tries to free up information on issues which are quite clearly very sensitive and worth lying about on a massive global scale are courageous and undoubtedly attain hero status.

I agree with ucan...leg it son...do a runner

Peace

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So where do any of you draw the line?

Kidnapping for ransom?

Terrorist attacks?

In for a penny, in for a pound?

Maybe you all want to stoop to the level of those others...but then you are no better...and you replace these PtB with new PtB that are the same.

If you want to break the cycle, then it must be done the right way.

Otherwise it is for nothing
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