Blondes,red heads, blue eyes, MK ULTRA, and the fringe

[THE eXchanger]

[QUOTE=BeaTnik-BandiT;53736He says that's why you get mass slaughters in Africa.
(Needless to say that Africa is looted of it's gold, diamonds etc...by Big Corporations while it's native population is starving to death.)salute.[/QUOTE]

Remember, that souls choose,
the situations that they land into...

the result of many, who choose places,
where they are straving to death,
certain circumstances, existed for all of them,
in their past life cycles...

they are here, as, a lesson to many of us,
as, to what can happen, if you destroy a planet !!!

(please, do NOT jump all over me...
for saying this, but, it is a truth)

these souls destroyed,
the last planet they where on --

they are being given, a new chance
under some pretty harsh conditions --
but, certainly NOT liek the ones they left

NOW, we, who are more fortunate
we also are given a lesson,
as, to how do we assist these brothers/and, sisters
are we compassionate, kind, and, loving,
are we willing to give, to help, etc.,

(let us, NOT do to this earth,
what they did to their last planet,
and, perhaps, if we really looked,
as, to what happens to those, who do NOT operate,
as, they could)

it is proof positive, that, THE CONSQUENCES
you will face, are a direct result
of playing out two different sides of a monad

if you get robbed--you have robbed someone else

if you get murdered--you will have murdered someone else

if you get beat up -- you will have beat up someone else

you will always play both sides of every equation--
(even if you do NOT believe this,
it is an absolute truth)
THERE IS NO ESCAPING IT !!!

otherwise, you could NEVER learn
the consquences / nor, transend the lessons
if you did NOT realiSe, how it is,


TO UNDERSTAND, that saying...
to have to know how it is,
to walk a mile in another persons shoes

this is why it is so vastly important...
to do onto others, as, you would have them do onto you

eventually; you graduate all the assortment of monads

then, you get to a real interesting one

just before the LOVE MONAD /
which leads to the ultimate one,
a HEART LINK

it's called
hopelessly loving - hopelessly LOVED

this is where you hopelessly love someone;
and; they do NOT hopelessly love you back

(my desire in this life,
is to attempt a love monad/leading to a heart_link
with someone)

but, i did go through
this "hopelessly loving" - "hopelessly loved"
for nearly 25 years -- it is a real frustrating monad
to play out -- & i did a lot of it, on both sides of that
equation

as, for the "redhead" comments --

i used to hide my "red" hair for decades

now, i am comfortable, with the colour of "red"

love
susan
the eXchanger

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

Remember, that souls choose,
the situations that they land into...

the result of many, who choose places,
where they are straving to death,
certain circumstances, existed for all of them,
in their past life cycles...

they are here, as, a lesson to many of us,
as, to what can happen, if you destroy a planet !!!

(please, do NOT jump all over me...
for saying this, but, it is a truth)

these souls destroyed,
the last planet they where on --

.....................
love
susan
the eXchanger

Thanks Susan, thats a good theory.

My point is (in Swerdlows words) that the Illuminati are elitists, and don't bother killing countless lives (here the Africans) because they aren't controllable, too 'grounded'
(thus useless to them)

---AND----

At the same time, theses killings serves their 'ritual' purposes as well as to ease their conquest agenda to suck out all wealth from this territory.

Many here already know that Africa was (very likely) a testing ground for the AIDS virus.

It could be that the African native people have a victim mentality.
(On the other hand, the only help they get, is so little that they barely survive)

The universe works like a homeostatic system: it always self adjusts to maintain a stable equilibrium.

If you have a Victim mentality, you will attract an Oppressor.


take care.

[GoingToFast]

ClarkKent, I am a redhead with green eyes born in Scandinavia are you telling me that I am a stupid easy-manipulated buffoon ore what, I really don´t get which it is in your post. Also, in your post you are categorizing the Nordic ET´s as "Bad blonds/redheads" on what grounds do you make this assumption.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

are you telling me that I am a stupid easy-manipulated buffoon .

These are your words, NOT his.
Read 'Blue Blood True Blood' from Stuart Swerdlow.

take care.

[GoingToFast]

clarkkent, whats your genetics then, how do you look, under what category do you fall "good and strong" ore "bad and easy-manipulated", it would be very interesting to know.

[GoingToFast]

What clarkkent really is saying here , between the written lines , is that the Illuminati and the oppressors of this world mainly do there recruiting from the "blond/redhead-breed" and that the "blond/redheads" are the dictators over the other races.

[fawziya]

Re: Blondes,red heads, blue eyes, MK ULTRA, and the fringe

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CREDO MUTWA - Distinguished African Shaman knows the TRUE HISTORY of AFRICA. CREDO MUTWA has dark features. He reveals not all Africans have BLACK hair. Some have RED HAIR. He explains how "outside" (alien to this planet) forces infiltrated humanity by interpopulating with races of all kinds on this earth. Thus, perhaps, the source of OUR psychic & intellectual attributes & spiritual connections.

Can anyone, intelligently, explain the reason for the different physical features of people all over the earth? In the north, for example, why are some people white-skinned w/light hair/eyes while also others in another part of the globe (in the north) are white/yellow-skinned w/dark eyes.

There are plenty of non-white spiritually, psychically, intellectually gifted people on this earth. Credo Mutwa has interacted with all types of INDIGENOUS PEOPLES throughout the world. He is highly esteemed by DAVID ICKE who is GRAY-SILVER-HAIRED & BLUE-EYED.

[Carol]

Hi fawziya,
I have Credo Mutwa's DVDs where he was interviewed by David Icke. He was very interesting to listen to as his experience was with the greys and Reptilians. However, Alex Collier did say his ET sources told him that the differernt races came from different ET sources... different planets and such, so it is no wonder we don't get along. That comment had me laughing for days.

From other materials I've read it also seems that some ETs did live among the people many years back... including the Reptilians among the Native Americans.

That little bit came from a military abductee who revealed to me that she has 6 hybrid Reptilian children. She had also writen a book which I have but it doesn't contain some of the other interesting follow-up information that she shared personally.

Originally Posted by fawziya

Re: Blondes,red heads, blue eyes, MK ULTRA, and the fringe

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CREDO MUTWA - Distinguished African Shaman knows the TRUE HISTORY of AFRICA. CREDO MUTWA has dark features. He reveals not all Africans have BLACK hair. Some have RED HAIR. He explains how "outside" (alien to this planet) forces infiltrated humanity by interpopulating with races of all kinds on this earth. Thus, perhaps, the source of OUR psychic & intellectual attributes & spiritual connections.

Can anyone, intelligently, explain the reason for the different physical features of people all over the earth? In the north, for example, why are some people white-skinned w/light hair/eyes while also others in another part of the globe (in the north) are white/yellow-skinned w/dark eyes.

There are plenty of non-white spiritually, psychically, intellectually gifted people on this earth. Credo Mutwa has interacted with all types of INDIGENOUS PEOPLES throughout the world. He is highly esteemed by DAVID ICKE who is GRAY-SILVER-HAIRED & BLUE-EYED.

[Kituwa]

I am not sure where you get the blonde hair blue eye thing on mkultra victims. I am an mkultra victim myself and i have talked to a good many others and very few of them had light colored hair or eyes, in fact by far most have dark hair and eyes, myself included.Also most all of us are a good percentage of native american blood. Trauma based mind control involves totally breaking down a child to a vegitative state and i would think it wouldnt much matter what race you are, once broken to that degree we are all the same. It is obvious that they looked for certain bloodlines but the true reason for this i am not sure about. Was it certain traits or was it a DNA thing? DNA tests were not available at that time so maybe they looked for certain traits associated with bloodlines as it was the best they could do at the time.I did find on the net recently that a family member of mine had a DNA test done to do with bloodline stuff on my white half. Turned out i am directly decended from a well known scottish royalty line.I dont know if that was part of the reason they chose me or if it is just coincidence. I have fairly clear memories of part of the break down stuff they did to me starting at about 4 years of age. Always have remembered this, just didnt understand what it was until many years later.I have good memory of my past up until i was around 6 years old, then a total blank until i was in the 3rd grade. I have sent off for my public school records and they only start at 3rd grade, no record of any kind of 1st and second grade at all. As time goes on i remember more and more bits and pieces of things. Just last week i had some really strange memories that i think have a lot to do with how they went about creating my diffrent personalities. I will start a diffrent thread on that soon as i am getting off topic here.If you are getting most of your info on mkultra by reading what is on the net you may be getting a good bit of mis info as a lot of what i have read is off a good bit or misunderstood.I know a lot of the O'Brian stuff is kind of hard for me to buy. I believe she is being honest but i also think she is unknowing dis infoing a good bit without her knowing it. I dont believe there is any way anyone could have total recall of everything like she seems to think, it just dont work that way.When you are broken and programmed as a young child, and grow up that way, you are and never will be 'normal' again. There is no normal to go back to,you are what they made you. I have often wondered myself what kind of person i would be today if this had never happened to me.I cant even tell you witch personality of mine is the real me.Some of the personalities i am aware of and sort of know when a change is occuring and others i have no, or little memory of.Forget what you have seen about multiple personalities from movies like the 3 faces of eve , it just isnt like that, at least for mkultra types anyway.When i have one of the changes that i am aware of it is only noticable to my wife or a friends that is around me a lot, otherwise you would never know. The major personality shifts never happen in front of other people,its a built in thing for me to go off by myself when it happens.Major personality shifts do not happen by accedental triggers like you sometimes hear about. This i am absolutly positive about. Only my handler controls that.We are not loose canons that can go off by accedent, we are probobly more in control on that account than normal people are, just not 'our own' control.I am not even sure if i WANTED to take a life that i could do it unless it was instructed by a handler. This is why i get concerned when i hear other victims say they are not able to be controlled by their handler anymore. I do think there are things we can do to keep the handlers from having accesss to triggering us though and most other victims i have talked to already know what things to avoid.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Kituwa

I am not sure where you get the blonde hair blue eye thing on mkultra victims. I am an mkultra victim myself and i have talked to a good many others and very few of them had light colored hair or eyes, in fact by far most have dark hair and eyes, myself included.Also most all of us are a good percentage of native american blood. Trauma based mind control involves totally breaking down a child to a vegitative state and i would think it wouldnt much matter what race you are, once broken to that degree we are all the same. It is obvious that they looked for certain bloodlines but the true reason for this i am not sure about. Was it certain traits or was it a DNA thing? DNA tests were not available at that time so maybe they looked for certain traits associated with bloodlines as it was the best they could do at the time.I did find on the net recently that a family member of mine had a DNA test done to do with bloodline stuff on my white half. Turned out i am directly decended from a well known scottish royalty line.I dont know if that was part of the reason they chose me or if it is just coincidence. I have fairly clear memories of part of the break down stuff they did to me starting at about 4 years of age. Always have remembered this, just didnt understand what it was until many years later.I have good memory of my past up until i was around 6 years old, then a total blank until i was in the 3rd grade. I have sent off for my public school records and they only start at 3rd grade, no record of any kind of 1st and second grade at all. As time goes on i remember more and more bits and pieces of things. Just last week i had some really strange memories that i think have a lot to do with how they went about creating my diffrent personalities. I will start a diffrent thread on that soon as i am getting off topic here.If you are getting most of your info on mkultra by reading what is on the net you may be getting a good bit of mis info as a lot of what i have read is off a good bit or misunderstood.I know a lot of the O'Brian stuff is kind of hard for me to buy. I believe she is being honest but i also think she is unknowing dis infoing a good bit without her knowing it. I dont believe there is any way anyone could have total recall of everything like she seems to think, it just dont work that way.When you are broken and programmed as a young child, and grow up that way, you are and never will be 'normal' again. There is no normal to go back to,you are what they made you. I have often wondered myself what kind of person i would be today if this had never happened to me.I cant even tell you witch personality of mine is the real me.Some of the personalities i am aware of and sort of know when a change is occuring and others i have no, or little memory of.Forget what you have seen about multiple personalities from movies like the 3 faces of eve , it just isnt like that, at least for mkultra types anyway.When i have one of the changes that i am aware of it is only noticable to my wife or a friends that is around me a lot, otherwise you would never know. The major personality shifts never happen in front of other people,its a built in thing for me to go off by myself when it happens.Major personality shifts do not happen by accedental triggers like you sometimes hear about. This i am absolutly positive about. Only my handler controls that.We are not loose canons that can go off by accedent, we are probobly more in control on that account than normal people are, just not 'our own' control.I am not even sure if i WANTED to take a life that i could do it unless it was instructed by a handler. This is why i get concerned when i hear other victims say they are not able to be controlled by their handler anymore. I do think there are things we can do to keep the handlers from having accesss to triggering us though and most other victims i have talked to already know what things to avoid.

Ok. Thanks for the post.
Sorry for these terrible experiences.

I totally agree with you that mind control is more of a 'procedure' that breaks the individual's mind into compliance.
I agree too that this can be done successfully on every individual independently of their genetic heritage...

Originally Posted by Kituwa

Turned out i am directly decended from a well known scottish royalty line. I dont know if that was part of the reason they chose me or if it is just coincidence.

Yes. Lineage is of the utmost importance to them and that could explain why you were involved.
This is why you see many world leaders having the same blood ancestors.

Regarding my post, i was reporting what i understood of Swerdlow's work.
And by the way, he could help you A LOT if you are in need.

I am quite sure at one point he told that people with dark complexion are 'harder' to manipulate for some reasons.

If we take a look at 'native' tribes all around the world, a lot of them have a 'darker' complexion.
These tribes are well connnected with the Earth energies, and know how to work with them in wisdom.

That could be a good reason why they were exterminated 'en masse' by the PTBs over the ages.

take care

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

What clarkkent really is saying here , between the written lines , is that the Illuminati and the oppressors of this world mainly do there recruiting from the "blond/redhead-breed" and that the "blond/redheads" are the dictators over the other races.

That seems to be exactly the opposite of saying the "blond/redhead-breed" is easiest to subject to mind control... in your scenario they would be the contollers not the controllees.

Unless he means that by the "blond/redhead-breed" accepting the 'job' of oppressor, that means naturally they 'must' be under mind control... because it's unthinkable that anyone would choose such a path of their own free will...

At least... THAT is what I see...'between the lines'

[PodWORLD]

Forgive me if I'm being too scientific but the world centres of conspiracy theory are California and Nevada so lot's of blondes and aeroplane blondes.

There are also many more blondes now that when I was a lad. Is is Aryanism? Fascism? (tremble) The Nazis? No it's hair dye which is great for covering up grey hair.

I have brown hair and blue eyes being of irish and scottish descent and I've no plans to take over the world nor do I feel that my mind is controlled.

[Jenny]

[Chinderland]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

What clarkkent really is saying here , between the written lines , is that the Illuminati and the oppressors of this world mainly do there recruiting from the "blond/redhead-breed" and that the "blond/redheads" are the dictators over the other races.

As I understand it, clark was asking why blond/redhead people were overrepresented in contactees/abductees/ufology, based on his observation.

If clark's observation is correct, this thread raises a valid research question for all of us interested in the subjects of ufology, illuminati, and mind control.

I am not experienced in these subjects. I was wondering if someone with in-depth knowledge could re-count the number of blond/redhead ppl from widely-known contactee/abductees? If there are indeed dispropotionally more blond/redhead in this group, it maybe a very important lead to disclose the alien and/or illuminati agenda.

I am Chinese and I have yet to see some Asian abductees or contactees interviewed for their experiences. How about some Indians and Japanese, too?

I mean we have quite big populations out there. Why not some of us?? At least give me some Asian American contactees, if the off-world beings prefer to abduct ppl in USA.

Peace.

[Anticomuna]

Clark Kent made a good question. It's very strange that the people involved with these kind of topics are blondes talking about alien blondes or bloodline obssessed conspirators. Come on, now everybody is descendent of some frigging royalty! And there's Alex Collier and the likes who insist on this "bloodline" royalty nonsense.

It's rather strange this insistence in certain characteristics, not only about the contactees/abductees themselves, but also from the supposed "aliens".

[David]

Very interesting topic.

[spiritual_wanderer]

This IS a very interesting topic. I think it boils down to blood type personally. The rh negative blood type appears to have some interest for the reptilian/Illuminati types. According to David Icke, it's the blood that enables the reptilians to hold human form. Arizona Wilder says in her interview with Icke that certain people are able to control the reptiles that come through in the Satanic rituals she was forced (through mind control) to perform.

[Frank Samuel]

While Clark poses a intresting question I would respectfully disagree. Why ?
Survival, inclusion, economic opportunities, many other things which has little to do with ideologies is the reason why these people join these groups. It has nothing to do with race. The old saying applies here is not what you know is who you know. If my friend is a Free Mason and his economic status is better than mine then you join by association. Puerto Ricans are not consider "whites" the town I live in was founded by a Free Mason. Juncos named after Manuel Fernandez Juncos. Brainwashing, mind control is not 100% effective. Why ? I give you the examples of veterans many are against the war. Indoctrination and braiwashing is part of training a soldier to loose his or her fear in order to pull the trigger and kill another person. The effects are not permanent , I rather solve an argument trough peaceful means. Self Defense is automatic, I just learn a new type of self defense less destructive.

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

clarkkent, whats your genetics then, how do you look, under what category do you fall "good and strong" ore "bad and easy-manipulated", it would be very interesting to know.

jeez folks

"going to fast" why are you getting so offended? your really not reading my posts, your skimming them and having a knee jerk reaction. please READ my posts...i dont know how you could interpret it as me slandering blondes or saying everyone of them is mind controlled.

i shouldnt have to re iterate this but clearly my intention is being wrongly received again ill copy and paste what ive already stated

"
well my intent with this thread was to try and figure out (if any) reasons there could be to the preponderance of blondes on both sides of the fringe circles

ufology/new age vs illuminati/nazi

and what if anything links them together somehow."


is that understood? im not saying EVERY mind contolled victim is blonde or redheaded, nor am i saying EVERY contactee or EVERY spiritual leader is blonde blue eyed. clearly that is not that case (and i never implied such)
credo mutwa and david icke are great but dont have anything to do with my observation.

let me also state that our elected officials ARENT all blonde and blue eyed, nor was hitler or mengele.

for everyone who is confused about what is written "between the lines" or the intent of my post, just read the first one again, i dont know how much more clear i can be.

as far as my race/nationality/ethnicity-its all on my profile page as is my full name and age. do some digging eh?

[QueenOfLeon]

I didnt know Marilyn was a montauk victim!! I figured she was an illuminati pawn cos of her connections to the U.S government but I have never stumbled across that. It m akes complete sense!! Ive done a google search and cant really find any info on it! has anyone got any links on this please?

thanks x

[dataeast]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

well my intent with this thread was to try and figure out (if any) reasons there could be to the preponderance of blondes on both sides of the fringe circles

ufology/new age vs illuminati/nazi

and what if anything links them together somehow.

It was the Christians that believed that redheads (with green eyes) were witches, so I think it's this myth that has been rekindled into a modern analogue, substitute aliens and summoning "demons." Modern culture still has a genetic memory of this rightly or wrongly and still practices a form of genetic racism based on this. Modernism still has not excorcised racism from it's roots, it's still evident in the most "civilized" nations.

I think that you need to investigate secret societies such as the Thule society. There is an idea called "The Great White Brotherhood" (or something similar) from another society called the Golden Dawn, which is the same as the "Aryan" (one lead by the light) idea of the Thule Society. IIRC, Hitler and Himmler (and cronies) who were initiates of Thule believed that this was a race of people and were the ancestors of the Germanic peoples. Of course they were mistaken however it did not stop them from sending exploration teams as far as Tibet to enlist the Tibetan monks who shared a similar, although in metaphor, view of theology. The quests were based on the distorted view of that definition. They believed this subterranean race might be in Central Asia.

The Thule society also happily took opportunity in the money that Hitler was willing to invest in technology to win the war, just as the industrialists in Germany did too. Despite the image of evil that Hitler represents, his personal fallibility was used by these parties to serve their ends too. Hitler was used as well.

The New Age is not a recent idea either. This is a symbolic reference to a metaphysical idea. The core of this knowledge can be found in the "secret" societies. There is an analogue in all religions. It's a complex idea which is represented both on the personal and trans-personal realm and has lead to many arguments as to which definition is correct, but arguments for both sides are correct because the answer is in all.

A question might be: What is the Old Age? If the New Age is foreign to you it might be that are now living in the Old Age.

There is a link here between the New Age and the "Great White Brotherhood" or Aryan (noble) people. Hitler made a mistake in assuming that they were the ancestors of the Germanic peoples, he was trying to revive Germanic pride, so went to great lengths to find records of Germanic achievements in history. If the Thule society had communicated with entities, as is the normal practice of such societies, then whomever they did contact would be passed through a medium or channel. However the channel presents a problem in themselves, there exists a signal to noise ratio or a disparity between the source and the translator. So there is another noisy link when trying to trace who or what the Aryan race might be, that is assuming that the idea was of an actual race, but as the occult axiom goes, "As Above, So Below"...

In this article, based on the genetic research of a hair from a "Nordic" ET placed the origins of a Asian genotype with Nordic phenotype.
http://www.theozfiles.com/hair.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genotype

The actual paper:
http://www.cufos.org/strange_evidence.pdf

Phenotypes are superficial and only skin deep. The genetic variance can differ, at times, greater within "races" than between them. Perceptions can distort the reality of what is being percieved and can in fact hold greater sway than that which is true. In such a place facts are a rare commodity.

This is interesting because it is consistent with the believed origins of the Aryan "race." That is, in Central Asia, the Gobi desert. Hitler was heavily influenced with "The Coming Race" by Edward Bulwer-Lytton. So in his mind, this was indeed a reality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

It may be that what Hitler was lead to believe, before the advent of genetics, that what the channel's saw were "Nordic" features: blonde hair and blue eyes. This in turn leading into the crude and almost ludicrous skull measuring practice in ascertaining "Aryan-ness." This was also conducted in Tibet by the Nazi's with the Tibetans.

On an off note, in genetics there is no such thing as a "white" race, it's a myth perpetuated to serve a particular end like with the Neo-Nazi's. It's an insecurity which leads to wishful thinking on the part of those who think that their genetic heritage is somehow superior and thus blinds them to the atrocities inflicted upon others who according to that viewpoint are inferior and thus deserving of any ill treatment. It's a simplistic and flawed idea where karma only flows one way, the mathematics of which are one equals zero. Hitler truly believed that what he was doing was justified, history shows us that he was wrong.

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It could be that the ET intervention is aimed at those who are to serve a purpose in their respective societies. Societies that are perhaps at a pivot point where the changes they make impact globally on the life and well being of others. So, an agenda might be to create an influence in the problematic countries, and very vocal ones. It would serve no purpose to influence a pygmie in Papua New Guinea because his life may indeed be more sympathetic to the earth and his voice would not be taken seriously in one New York minute. Of course, this is supposing that there is demographic evidence that such superficial traits are qualified. It is very possible that the medium that has constructed the dataset itself may be the reason why.

[K626]

...from what I know superficial racial markers aren't important (hair, eyes etc). There is some weighting in favour of only children however who tend to (in loose general terms) be aware of their 'otherness' at a very early age.

[burgundia]

Looks like sb is trying to bring some discord here. I have blue eyes but dark hair? What am I? Bad or good. makes no sense.
I must admit I had a few dreams that came true and my intuition never fails me. Am I being mond-controlled?

[Carol]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

ClarkKent, I am a redhead with green eyes born in Scandinavia are you telling me that I am a stupid easy-manipulated buffoon ore what, I really don´t get which it is in your post. Also, in your post you are categorizing the Nordic ET´s as "Bad blonds/redheads" on what grounds do you make this assumption.

hmmm, this is a complicated subject because much of this information is from Steward Swerdlow who was a MK ultra mind-controlled subjectee. I've listened to several of his interviews and read his books several years back. As I also recall ther was a genetic blood link and type. For example, these particular subjects have psy abilities which are genetically passed down from one generation to the next and I also recall where the origin of the psy ability is supposedly from ET hybridization thousands of years back. That is if I remember what he wrote correctly. So from a genetic perspective one would examine both lineage and psy abilities.

I've also read the Billy Mier info.. beginning back in the early 90s and when I listened to Miriam's take on her ET experience a few things began to click for me. I don't really know if I trust the Plaidians. And I wonder if it was the Plaidians (the Nordic looking aliens who started the genetic altering). And then there is the whole issue as to their real relationship with the Reptiians and the greys. From what we've been told by a number of credible witnesses the greys and Reptilians work together. And I recently listened to a so-called Palaidian message where it does appear that they may also work with the Reptilians. So..I'm now re-evaluating this whole ET situation from several perspectives.. one as my own ET experience, two from the many reports of those who have been "taken" and three, from those who were invited and have total conscious recall like Alex Collier whom I've also personally spoken with.

When discussing mind-control one has to go back to the ultimate beings/creatures/ETs who have mind-control down to a very fine art. From what I've read regarding MK ultra and the personal testimony of a friend who was being groomed to become one of the higher ups of a Satanic group (which did fracture her personality through horrific child abuse and it was her strong spiritual connection to god which got her through all of that), one type of mind control, on the grossest level is done through early childhood "abusive" conditioning. However, the ETs have methods of mind controlled just with telepathy... while the military has all types of gadgets and drugs they can use.

The whole issue of mind control is exceptionally complex because where does one start?

Does one begin with the ETs? Or does one begin with MK ultra? Does one expand into Religion and the role it played? Or does one focus on the cultural context? Does one look at how the media uses mind control for advertising... ? Or does one start with what Stewart Swedlow had to share from his own personal experience.

I do have some very strong opinions which are newly forming about some of this and I'm of the opinion if I were to choose which ETs to be associated with I'd go with who Dr. Greer is connected up with and/or Alex Collier's ET friends.

And I will share that any ET "race" that blocks memories is a group I would not trust. All of the contactees that I've known personally, or read about, who had positive experiences had total conscious recall and were invited, not taken, if they went aboard a ship. For now, mind-control is my rule of thumb regarding what I do know about ETs. If they use it on humans they're up to no good. That is why Miriam's interview was a bit disturbing to me. I felt she was telling the truth, but that she was holding back other information. I also thought it was the Plaidians whom were her contacts and she did describe not remembering info. That was a red flag for me.