Skills to help survival

[capreycorn]

i have to correct my post about the daredevil Alain Bombard surviving 1 month by drinking salt water..it was 1 week! for sure....more precise 10days drinking sea water only; and 4 days drinking fluids from the "seafood" he catched..(total 14 days without using "water reserves" (also not collecting dew)!
(as usual wikipedia gives only vague information about what/how he really did it.)

this is a golden rule that comes from the experiment: do not drink more than 800ml sea water per day..only taking small sips! keeping your throat from drying out is vital for keeping "the spirit"..(the normal healthy kidneys can handle 800ml saltwater per day for one week and then you need to give the kidneys time to get rid of the salt for a while) drinking salt water buys you the time to find other ways to get to "water". (most living creatures of the oceans have some fluid good for drinking. the poisonous ones are more in coastal regions)
...and..having a sponge is of great help for collecting dew..and lots of plastic/foil or a sail can help collecting dew...but sometimes you just don`t have the luxury of being prepared or lose the equipment in a "storm".

so one week salt water drinking won`t kill (max 800ml per day!!! taking very small sips!!) this will provide time to catch whatever you can and thereby slowly improve your means..

it is highly advisable to read the book

number one killer is panic (OMG no food no water!)

[Bobcat]

i'm sorry but you shouldnt ever drink sea water "providing its the only sorce".

http://www.helium.com/items/200880-w...water-to-drink

I have much more info if more detail is required.

My god, if you were on the water and far enough out to sea to be in any sort of survival situation and do not have an osmosis purifier then you should never have been there in the first place. Never drink straight sea water, if you had a stove on board you can distill sea water. Even just a small pocket stove like an esbit and some sort of pan would do it.

[capreycorn]

yes! I`ll have a blond beer!
...Alain Bombard proved, that it can be done, for the absolute worst case scenario, this is need to know.
if ever you should end up in a survivable situation but just don`t have any water. before you go ripping off your child`s head and drinking its blood because you`re thirsty, remember alain bombard who proved , that those "shipwrecked" can survive at sea with little to nothing.
it wasn`t Alain Bombard, who discovered, that sea water is drinkable (800ml per 24h max! taking little sips)...survivors at sea discovered this after they were out of water reserves of any kind..
imagine whatever storm or tsunami hit you has left you clinging to your raft. but your survival pack and all other items were ripped away, even though you secured them..all gone.. all you have left is a raft, you, the salt water and maybe some "seafood" you still have to catch with your hands to provide a fairly balanced "water diet"...how to do it?...
it`s all in the book... those who survived with next to nothing are the ones to have the last word.

[malakai]

If you are out in a raft in the middle of the ocean with no fresh drinking water make sure that you only measure out 800ml of sea water ?
If I have not got any fresh water, I am sure I will not have anything to measure 800ml of sea water with.
Don't believe everthing you read my friend
Peace

Originally Posted by capreycorn

i have to correct my post about the daredevil Alain Bombard surviving 1 month by drinking salt water..it was 1 week! for sure....more precise 10days drinking sea water only; and 4 days drinking fluids from the "seafood" he catched..(total 14 days without using "water reserves" (also not collecting dew)!
(as usual wikipedia gives only vague information about what/how he really did it.)

this is a golden rule that comes from the experiment: do not drink more than 800ml sea water per day..only taking small sips! keeping your throat from drying out is vital for keeping "the spirit"..(the normal healthy kidneys can handle 800ml saltwater per day for one week and then you need to give the kidneys time to get rid of the salt for a while) drinking salt water buys you the time to find other ways to get to "water". (most living creatures of the oceans have some fluid good for drinking. the poisonous ones are more in coastal regions)
...and..having a sponge is of great help for collecting dew..and lots of plastic/foil or a sail can help collecting dew...but sometimes you just don`t have the luxury of being prepared or lose the equipment in a "storm".

so one week salt water drinking won`t kill (max 800ml per day!!! taking very small sips!!) this will provide time to catch whatever you can and thereby slowly improve your means..

it is highly advisable to read the book

number one killer is panic (OMG no food no water!)

[capreycorn]

[QUOTE=malakai;59191]If you are out in a raft in the middle of the ocean with no fresh drinking water make sure that you only measure out 800ml of sea water ?

800ml is just a max.-value! (maybe i forgot to mention that) given by someone who did a lot of research in that area..as researcher he had to give numbers. it doesn`t do to say " take maximum 100+ small sips". anyway, 800ml is more than anyone will voluntarily drink. nobody will drink more than needed to cover his "needs". even in everyday life, some people find it difficult to drink 1liter of plain boring water per day; and salty sea water will never be the "runner"..otherwise we would have it bottled already as "L`EAU DE MER" ("good for your potency, because fish make "love" in it!")

[Bobcat]

I realy don't understand why you are harping on still about drinking sea water after reading one book!!
Just dont do it. The energy you use passing the salt "in sips" will use up more energy, hence you become dehydrated much faster...Salt is used to cure food as it sucks the moisture out of what you are curing.

PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON> It will end in a faster death...


Better off thinking about fishing with whatever you have and eating the intestines then the flesh raw.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

I realy don't understand why you are harping on still about drinking sea water after reading one book!!
Just dont do it. The energy you use passing the salt "in sips" will use up more energy, hence you become dehydrated much faster...Salt is used to cure food as it sucks the moisture out of what you are curing.

PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON> It will end in a faster death...


Better off thinking about fishing with whatever you have and eating the intestines then the flesh raw.

You can actually take a sip of salt water now and then, and then, lacking fishing gear...you simply drink urine. The Chinese nautical explorers drank urine to fight sea borne disease based upon vitamin-mineral deficiencies. Vitamin C can be recycled via mid-stream urine ingesting (the first pee of the morning) and there are numerous cases where trapped earthquake victims drank nothing but urine for up to 18 days. The same goes with miners.

http://www.lifepositive.com/Body/tra...ne-therapy.asp

Buddy lived to 99 drinking his ****...seems he had no ill effects.
But hey, drinking urine all day would suck, but a Royal Marine sniper I used to know (even though the SAS book says not to) whom got caught in a tree for 3 days, started drinking his urine (to avoid any dehydration) as soon as he realized he was on his own for awhile.

The SAS survival manual also, may contain disinfo that they do not want the public to know.

Anyhow

SNIP

"Tales of valor, sorrow, survival and loss have threaded through conversations in the area. They talk of a Dujiangyan middle school that collapsed, killing 50 children. And of a man from outside of Mianyang who was buried under rubble for an entire week but survived by eating toilet paper and drinking his own urine. Another man tied his dead wife to his back with a rope and rode his scooter across Sichuan to find a respectable place to bury her."

END SNIP

http://www.latimes.com/news/bal-te.s...,2512115.story

SNIP
"Actually, coal is bitter and unsmooth but you can chew up pieces the size of a finger. In the mine, we picked up two discarded water bottles, and drank our urine. You can only take small sips, and when you've finished, you just want to cry."
(ME...they we already dehydrated so it was probably really salty, fresh urine is only mildly salty and after having fasted on it for three days once...it actually go less salty)

END SNIP

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asi...al_urine_diet/

So, there you go, I'd sip a wee bit of salt water now and then, and not allow myself to become dehydrated in the first place, live on urine, and catch killer whales with my talons! Probably a gallon per eyeball...

[malakai]

I think you need to stop drinking plain old boring water and start drinking salt water and see how long you will last, call it an experiment .....
Goodluck



[QUOTE=capreycorn;59343]

Originally Posted by malakai

If you are out in a raft in the middle of the ocean with no fresh drinking water make sure that you only measure out 800ml of sea water ?

800ml is just a max.-value! (maybe i forgot to mention that) given by someone who did a lot of research in that area..as researcher he had to give numbers. it doesn`t do to say " take maximum 100+ small sips". anyway, 800ml is more than anyone will voluntarily drink. nobody will drink more than needed to cover his "needs". even in everyday life, some people find it difficult to drink 1liter of plain boring water per day; and salty sea water will never be the "runner"..otherwise we would have it bottled already as "L`EAU DE MER" ("good for your potency, because fish make "love" in it!")

[capreycorn]

Same Old Situation, 2:1
(drinking salt water: the brits and the americans say you can`t and the french say yes! you can)

[Waterman]

Shellie that's right you've got that bookstore. Tell me can't you find likeminded folks there to work with. Seems like lot of folks would like to have a bookstore like that within a reasonable distance.

In the meantime it's fall/winter so there's not much need to protecting gardens. There is a meet up group that is working outside of Austin. They are encouraging folks to come to the "farm" and help get things ready. Can't remember the groups name. But will post it when I remember. It is a MeetUp group. Remember, we don't have to agree on everything, only about who the enemy is.

In the city, turn off the power to the house and try to do what you normally do. That will tell you what comes first. This is going to be different for everyone. Also, if you have some folks that can get together have a public restaurant or other "inside" public venue to meet up at as an atlernative meeting place. And always carry some big fat chalk with you when you are out. This will be useful for making your sign (more about that later).

Here is my take on how things will go.

1)economic collapse

The by products will be new restrictions on how you can bank, what is allowed to be done at banks, in fact I just were told on the phone by my bank (and I know them personally) that there are major banking changes coming at the end of October.
So have plan B and C in the finance catagory. If possible open up a free second bank account at a community bank, not the BIG boys, and have it as back up.
Be prepared as if you job is going to be gone soon.

2) Clampon on movement

The financial issues will result in movement restrictions in two ways.

a)can't afford the fuel required to go anywhere except essentials:

Then as the financial collapse deepens ie early spring of 2009 there are larger and larger groups of people that are what the government calls "disinfranchised" demostrating and making demands, this will lead to forced compliance and part b of restriction of movement

b)surgical roadblocks and curfews
The govs idea of compliance is keeping everyone in their homes and out of public venues. So the plans are to control and restrict movement in public thoroughfares by curfews and roadblocks

3) At this stage be prepared for the first flashpoint to occur between armed civilians and armed. At this point you must know who you can trust.....

This is my take how any country gets out of control.

[Shellie]

If you are sufficiently dehydrated, even 5 sips of salt water can kill you- either from the salt, or from the shock to your system.

[capreycorn]

Originally Posted by Shellie

If you are sufficiently dehydrated, even 5 sips of salt water can kill you- either from the salt, or from the shock to your system.

almost anything "can" kill a weak "system" and on the other hand is the human body in connection with the "spirit" capable of "miracles" (seen by western medicine standards).
the french naval authorities have argued about this "salt water" issue with brits and americans already..i don`t want to waste more time on this.
I´m not going to post on this thread anymore. but hope to find some interesting information posted here soon.

cheers

[asteram]

For those who know how to read, capreycorn already posted the info that one should not wait until one is seriously dehydrated to start sipping sea water.

I've read various takes on this for some time, and the consensus I have found is that the idea that drinking sea water is worse than no water is a myth with no basis beyond accepted rumor. Let it go.

In the interest of adding something positive to the thread: The hardest thing to obtain when food is scarce is fats and oils. Buy olive oil and store it in a cool, dark place. You can also can butter or make clarified butter, ghee, that keeps for a long time without refrigeration.

Sure would be nice if this forum had a simple way to track one's posts, and even better if one could actually reply to a person on a thread and flag that person so they would know the reply was to them. If that is not fixed or implemented this forum will soon become useless, which pretty much is happening already. I have no idea who is replying to whom, and no idea how to find the threads I posted on earlier. I doubt I'll post here again as there is no way to find this thread again. Too bad.

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by asteram

Sure would be nice if this forum had a simple way to track one's posts, and even better if one could actually reply to a person on a thread and flag that person so they would know the reply was to them. If that is not fixed or implemented this forum will soon become useless, which pretty much is happening already. I have no idea who is replying to whom, and no idea how to find the threads I posted on earlier. I doubt I'll post here again as there is no way to find this thread again. Too bad.

You can PM people and if you look in their profile at their stats you can see all their posts.

I think if it gets that bad that you start drinking sea water your not going to make it.

[asteram]

So, Swanny, are you going to find this post? How? By finding this thread again and reading through everything to see if there is a reply to you? And if I didn't put your name at the top or quote you how would you know it was a reply to you? Or should I perhaps PM you and tell you that I left a reply to you somewhere but you'll have to find it? Or suggest that you read through a list of all of my posts because somehwere in there is one replying to you on some thread somewhere?

It's a very crummy forum system, the worst I've ever used, and that's a real shame.

BTW, as a life long ocean swimmer and diver I have swallowed a whole lot of seawater and it never hurt me.

[333mark333]

IMO Tom Brown Jr survival guides are the best.

For under $10 you can build a SOLAR STILL - sheet of plastic, small cup, tubing. Take water from the earth through moisture- even bacterially but not chemically infected water.