Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription?

gordon · 11-03-2008, 03:17 PM

I edited my post.

11-03-2008, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon

Did I say that you would? I said that as a comment for what you said. If you are going to have a (five finger discount) on the violin then you would, A: pay for the bus fare. B: Pay for the petrol in your car-friends car. C: Pay for a taxi...You would still need to pay in order to get the violin. It would also depend how far away the violin is, walking distance? If walking, how would you get to the violin? Maybe one or MORE of your friends would help to pickup the violin. Would you need to pay your friends for the help?

Who mentioned a physical violin?

Open up your mind!

gordon · 11-03-2008, 03:24 PM

I edited my post.

11-03-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon

Where would the 'sounds' come from, from the NONE physical violin?

Yes as my mind is able to create such sounds. Thankyou for your interest in this matter

gordon · 11-03-2008, 03:31 PM

I edited my post.

11-03-2008, 03:45 PM

Thank you for your participation in this thread.
It looks like the overall majority do not
want Avalon to be a paid subscription website.

However, the final decision comes from
Bill and Kerry. So, I hope that some of you
do not get discouraged if they go through
with their plan for a paid subscription service.

But now that we have your thoughts
and feelings on this thread along with your
poll results, this will show Bill and Kerry
where you stand on this issue.

Thanks,
Kevin

gordon · 11-03-2008, 03:48 PM

I edited my post.

11-03-2008, 04:05 PM

Gordon,

This is why I created this thread. Obviously you are not shy about expressing your thoughts on this issue. So, we will take this into consideration.

Peace,
Kevin

gordon · 11-03-2008, 04:07 PM

I edited my post.

David · 11-03-2008, 04:10 PM

Having a paid subscription does leave a lot of people out of the loop but it also creates a forum that helps prevent stupid and unnecessary comments that only create negativity and distraction from the main topic.

Peer · 11-03-2008, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Having a paid subscription does leave a lot of people out of the loop but it also creates a forum that helps prevent stupid and unnecessary comments that only create negativity and distraction from the main topic.

Yes, an eliteforum.........wow.........

David · 11-03-2008, 04:28 PM

Not really sure what is so elite about it. If you want to spend the money and spew negativity on the forum, get banned and sign up again, that's your choice.

gordon · 11-03-2008, 04:32 PM

I edited my post.

deepblu777 · 11-03-2008, 07:02 PM

"Why not? It's just like our current election process."

I'm sorry, but that statement does nothing to support your position.

I take it that you believe our current election process works, for everyone?

Again, I'm sorry. It's a little difficult for me to tell in some of these posts if you're being serious or sarcastic....

If you're serious, you have more homework to do. If you're interested, I can provide you with a long list of lovely people I've found to be very helpful.
If you're just being funny...not too.

David · 11-03-2008, 07:39 PM

I believe that it is very important to be able to laugh and have fun. We waste too much of our time, energy, and talents on taking it too seriously. Generally speaking, sarcasm is not the best form of humor. There are times when a little sarcastic humor can prompt some laughter, give perspective, and relieve tension so that we can get back to being productive again. I am sarcastic by nature and will not change.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, that was not my intention. I am not interesting in supporting my position for this and is simply an opinion. If your being condescending ....don't.

Artycarl · 11-03-2008, 08:00 PM

Why dont we have a paid area of the forum for people to contribute financially if they want to and which might have non essentials in like a chatroom or some other area of extended content.

This would allow those who are happy to contribute to the sites upkeep to do so but would not stop other people from finding the information they might need.

Swanny · 11-03-2008, 08:15 PM

It's quite simple, if the owners want to use this site to make money they just add adverts, if they want to help everyone they just add paypal donation link.
It doesn't cost much to run a forum, no need to pay mods, there are always people ready to do that for free.
By keeping it free and adding adverts they will make much more money than by making people subscribe.
If they make it subscription only they will kill it, they will lose a lot of people and their opinions and help, they end up with a few people and some of which will probably think they are better than those that can't afford it.
As for a subscription stopping misinformation that's a joke isn't it???

I wouldn't want to be part of this forum if I had to pay, irrelevant of whether or not I can afford to do so.

Average Joe · 11-03-2008, 08:22 PM

I can afford to pay but won't pay. Information that could save your ass should be free. And as I'm not yet convinced that my ass needs saving from anything that is about to happen (or more likely, not happen), then I don't want to be paying for information that could be pointless or useless.

I understand that Bill and Kerry have running costs which they have to meet for the forum and for their extensive travelling.

There must be other ways of raising funds.

David · 11-03-2008, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Average Joe

There must be other ways of raising funds.

How about paraphernalia such as bumper stickers, T-shirt, hats and such? This is a website called http://www.zazzle.com that makes these items easy to design and order.

dutchie · 11-04-2008, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Having a paid subscription does leave a lot of people out of the loop but it also creates a forum that helps prevent stupid and unnecessary comments that only create negativity and distraction from the main topic.

Sorry ahhhh Dave, where is it written money makes ya less stupid in your comments?

suchanawesomekid · 11-04-2008, 10:35 AM

i think avalon should have a giant "donate now" button on top of every page
like they have on the real news website

but the concept of the forum should remain 100% free
it could be a real logistics error to charge for posting privileges

please bill, kerry and the rest of the avalon team, think about this one

xx

efields · 11-04-2008, 01:15 PM

Yes a Donate Button is whats needed. Many of us have no money to live let alone send money to support others. My work ended with the financial crisis and I really have no extra finds for Avalon, Whitley Strieber, or Jeff Rense etc. SO if coin will be needed to enter It will be a place like Rense. I used to love hearing/going but now I occasionally go to read an article.. Same goes for Art Bell. I can't even remember last time I went there, just can't afford it. If I sell my home or get work I'll consider a donation, but thats the real deal. Just have no extra till or when I do I'd be happy to donate... But can't now.

11-04-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by efields

Many of us have no money to live let alone send money to support others.

It might be acceptable to donate time or knowledge instead of $$

We are real people with real skills.

A work shares system could be explored. Bartering knowledge for labor or goods. Yes, goods. You teach me
basic electricity, I ship you a bushel of sweet corn.
Ebay style.

Quid pro quo, something for something.

Avalon is about international community. Virtual communities can transcend the barrier into reality.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. The money system
is dying. What will you do to adapt?

How big can you dream?

dutchie · 11-05-2008, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

It might be acceptable to donate time or knowledge instead of $$

We are real people with real skills.

A work shares system could be explored. Bartering knowledge for labor or goods. Yes, goods. You teach me
basic electricity, I ship you a bushel of sweet corn.
Ebay style.

Quid pro quo, something for something.

Avalon is about international community. Virtual communities can transcend the barrier into reality.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. The money system
is dying. What will you do to adapt?

How big can you dream?

Well I guess that would be a great concept for the ark.Isn't that what all of this is about;helping one and all.

Peer · 11-03-2008, 04:07 PM

Allthough I own and run a forum that could easily overtake the functions of Avalon where nobody has to pay (because of the low servercosts: about $100.- a year and of which I will not place a link here) I will pay for the servercosts of Avalon (even cheaper than my own forum) if the owners think they can't afford it.
If this subscription money is meant to go to the mods for their many hours of hard work than it's a whole other story but even that I am already supporting.

So I say nobody should pay or subscribe.

Furthermore I contribute to this forum as much as I can, bringing in my knowledge and good vibrations and I am not going to pay for being allowed to share my abundance.
If people want to share my abundance then they just have to mail me or PM and I will invite them in my house, feed them, give them a place to sleep but I will not pay them for that.

So will I leave when Avalon becomes a subscription forum? Definitly !!
The one who came up with this idea should be ashamed.

It's like an online salessite:
Offer it for free, after downloading say it's a trial version and start charging money after 30 days.
No way Jose!
We have our own Ark to build in Europe as well !!

View Poll Results: Are you leaving after the Forum becomes a Paid Subscription?
I am leaving if Avalon is a Paid Subscription.	266	75.78%
I am not leaving.	85	24.22%
Voters: 351. You may not vote on this poll

11-03-2008, 03:17 PM	#1
gordon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 241	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I edited my post. Last edited by gordon; 11-04-2008 at 05:05 AM.

11-03-2008, 03:24 PM	#3
gordon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 241	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I edited my post. Last edited by gordon; 11-04-2008 at 05:05 AM.

11-03-2008, 03:31 PM	#5
gordon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 241	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I edited my post. Last edited by gordon; 11-04-2008 at 05:05 AM.

11-03-2008, 03:45 PM	#6
Suriel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? Thank you for your participation in this thread. It looks like the overall majority do not want Avalon to be a paid subscription website. However, the final decision comes from Bill and Kerry. So, I hope that some of you do not get discouraged if they go through with their plan for a paid subscription service. But now that we have your thoughts and feelings on this thread along with your poll results, this will show Bill and Kerry where you stand on this issue. Thanks, Kevin

11-03-2008, 03:48 PM	#7
gordon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 241	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I edited my post. Last edited by gordon; 11-04-2008 at 05:06 AM.

11-03-2008, 04:05 PM	#8
Suriel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? Gordon, This is why I created this thread. Obviously you are not shy about expressing your thoughts on this issue. So, we will take this into consideration. Peace, Kevin

11-03-2008, 04:07 PM	#9
gordon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 241	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I edited my post. Last edited by gordon; 11-04-2008 at 05:06 AM.

11-03-2008, 04:10 PM	#10
David Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 398	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? Having a paid subscription does leave a lot of people out of the loop but it also creates a forum that helps prevent stupid and unnecessary comments that only create negativity and distraction from the main topic.

11-03-2008, 04:28 PM	#12
David Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 398	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? Not really sure what is so elite about it. If you want to spend the money and spew negativity on the forum, get banned and sign up again, that's your choice.

11-03-2008, 04:32 PM	#13
gordon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 241	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I edited my post. Last edited by gordon; 11-04-2008 at 05:06 AM.

11-03-2008, 07:02 PM	#14
deepblu777 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 119	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? "Why not? It's just like our current election process." I'm sorry, but that statement does nothing to support your position. I take it that you believe our current election process works, for everyone? Again, I'm sorry. It's a little difficult for me to tell in some of these posts if you're being serious or sarcastic.... If you're serious, you have more homework to do. If you're interested, I can provide you with a long list of lovely people I've found to be very helpful. If you're just being funny...not too.

11-03-2008, 07:39 PM	#15
David Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 398	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I believe that it is very important to be able to laugh and have fun. We waste too much of our time, energy, and talents on taking it too seriously. Generally speaking, sarcasm is not the best form of humor. There are times when a little sarcastic humor can prompt some laughter, give perspective, and relieve tension so that we can get back to being productive again. I am sarcastic by nature and will not change. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, that was not my intention. I am not interesting in supporting my position for this and is simply an opinion. If your being condescending ....don't.

11-03-2008, 08:00 PM	#16
Artycarl Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 40	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? Why dont we have a paid area of the forum for people to contribute financially if they want to and which might have non essentials in like a chatroom or some other area of extended content. This would allow those who are happy to contribute to the sites upkeep to do so but would not stop other people from finding the information they might need.

11-03-2008, 08:15 PM	#17
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? It's quite simple, if the owners want to use this site to make money they just add adverts, if they want to help everyone they just add paypal donation link. It doesn't cost much to run a forum, no need to pay mods, there are always people ready to do that for free. By keeping it free and adding adverts they will make much more money than by making people subscribe. If they make it subscription only they will kill it, they will lose a lot of people and their opinions and help, they end up with a few people and some of which will probably think they are better than those that can't afford it. As for a subscription stopping misinformation that's a joke isn't it??? I wouldn't want to be part of this forum if I had to pay, irrelevant of whether or not I can afford to do so.

11-03-2008, 08:22 PM	#18
Average Joe Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 377	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? I can afford to pay but won't pay. Information that could save your ass should be free. And as I'm not yet convinced that my ass needs saving from anything that is about to happen (or more likely, not happen), then I don't want to be paying for information that could be pointless or useless. I understand that Bill and Kerry have running costs which they have to meet for the forum and for their extensive travelling. There must be other ways of raising funds.

11-04-2008, 10:35 AM	#21
suchanawesomekid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: spokane, washington, usa Posts: 32	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? i think avalon should have a giant "donate now" button on top of every page like they have on the real news website but the concept of the forum should remain 100% free it could be a real logistics error to charge for posting privileges please bill, kerry and the rest of the avalon team, think about this one xx

11-04-2008, 01:15 PM	#22
efields Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vilcabamba, Ecuador Posts: 134	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? Yes a Donate Button is whats needed. Many of us have no money to live let alone send money to support others. My work ended with the financial crisis and I really have no extra finds for Avalon, Whitley Strieber, or Jeff Rense etc. SO if coin will be needed to enter It will be a place like Rense. I used to love hearing/going but now I occasionally go to read an article.. Same goes for Art Bell. I can't even remember last time I went there, just can't afford it. If I sell my home or get work I'll consider a donation, but thats the real deal. Just have no extra till or when I do I'd be happy to donate... But can't now.

11-03-2008, 04:07 PM	#25
Peer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 261	Re: Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription? Allthough I own and run a forum that could easily overtake the functions of Avalon where nobody has to pay (because of the low servercosts: about $100.- a year and of which I will not place a link here) I will pay for the servercosts of Avalon (even cheaper than my own forum) if the owners think they can't afford it. If this subscription money is meant to go to the mods for their many hours of hard work than it's a whole other story but even that I am already supporting. So I say nobody should pay or subscribe. Furthermore I contribute to this forum as much as I can, bringing in my knowledge and good vibrations and I am not going to pay for being allowed to share my abundance. If people want to share my abundance then they just have to mail me or PM and I will invite them in my house, feed them, give them a place to sleep but I will not pay them for that. So will I leave when Avalon becomes a subscription forum? Definitly !! The one who came up with this idea should be ashamed. It's like an online salessite: Offer it for free, after downloading say it's a trial version and start charging money after 30 days. No way Jose! We have our own Ark to build in Europe as well !! Last edited by Peer; 11-03-2008 at 09:35 PM.