Are Our Religious Idea's Our Own?

[Trishsgate]

Heretic some very interesting questions to tackle indeed. I would not be one to even begin to answer any of of these questions. I have to admit all the books\people that you mention I have researched and might have taken some portions of it or none of it. My beliefs are combinations that have come from within for the majority and not formed by any religion\belief system. I think one of the most important questions is what is your truth your belief no matter what another believes it is what you connect with that is important. Can the world be steered to a new religion from what I see it is to diverse and IMO should stay that way. Why should one conform and change to something that does not sit well with them.

I did some extensive research also into the 60's and 70's I think I have the years correct and what I found was what was wanted was not being achieved it took another 30 to 40 years to get people back into purchasing, overextending, reconfiguring societies etc. all to come to a slow down or crash which is occurring now. Can it be pulled off I doubt it seriously there is far to much greed in leadership roles for that to be overcome. You have to love people's individuality, their uniqueness and yet their unity and caring when needed. We can and should be service to self and service to others this duality is what defines us.

If unity was wanted then why have wars, conflict, and strife then why not steer away from that direction. If environmentalism is what is wanted then why create materialism, why use nuclear, coal and fossil fuels as primary sources of energy, I don't see it or get the picture if that is what they want they are going in a complete opposite direction. True free energy should free the people from being slaves to paying for energy. True work as communities should free people from being slaves to a system to a worker for self. Now how communities set up will determine whether it will be as equals or not. Should we repeat the situation we might as well hang on to the same old same old. Just a few of my thoughts on it I am sorry I could not address your question but it is something for me to think about, thanks for the thread.

Love & peace
Trish

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Trishsgate

If unity was wanted then why have wars, conflict, and strife then why not steer away from that direction.
Love & peace
Trish

Good Observations.

They want unity in the 'hope' among the masses for the opposite.
A "Theoretical" steer away.
But not the decision making responsibility among the populations.
The "Practical" steer away.

If our "wise" leaders... really wanted peace tomorow, it would be there, for each and everyone on an equal basis.

Taking away all injustice based on some having more rights (Based on their own superiority claims, around whole religions center.), then others for any self proclaimed reason that others may believe in as reasons and justifications for the injustice.

Floating in Infinity.

[Heretic]

Thanks folks

heres another cut and paste from Wikipedia showing a possible link between the spiritual revolutions of the 17th and 18th centuries and post WWII era new age ideologies.

List of new religious movements

This list of new religious movements (NRMs), lists groups that either identify themselves as religious, ethical or spiritual organizations, or are generally seen as such by religious scholars, which are independent of older denominations, churches, or religious bodies. Although there is no one criterion or set of criteria for describing a group as a "new religious movement", use of the term usually requires that the group be both of recent origin and different from existing religions.

Debate surrounds the phrase "of recent origin". Some authors use World War II as the dividing line, whereas others define as "new" everything after the advent of the Bahá'í Faith (mid-19th century) or even everything after Sikhism (17th century).

Buddhism-oriented

Main article: Schools of Buddhism

* Aum Shinrikyo (now known as Aleph)
* Friends of the Western Buddhist Order
* New Kadampa Tradition
* Share International
* True Buddha School
* Vipassana movement

Christianity-oriented

Main article: List of Christian denominations

* Branhamism
* Body of Christ
* The Brethren (Jim Roberts group), known as the "garbage eaters"
* Children of God
* Church of the Last Testament
* Endeavor Academy
* Foundation for A Course In Miracles
* Grail Movement
* Holy Spirit Movement
* Jesus Movement
* Legio Maria
* Love Family
* Lumpa Church
* Makuya
* Mama Tata
* Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God
* Peoples Temple
* The Living Word Fellowship
* The Process Church of The Final Judgment
* Understanding Principles for Better Living Church
* União do Vegetal
* Unification Church
* Universal Life

Hinduism-oriented

Main articles: Hindu revivalism and List of Hindu organisations

* Advance Party
* Ananda Marga
* Art of Living
* Brahma Kumaris
* Divine Light Mission
* Eckankar
* Sahaja Yoga
* Sathya Sai Baba movement
* Sant Mat
* Savitri Era
* School of Economic Science
* Swadhyaya
* Swaminarayan Faith

Islam-oriented / Quranic

Main article: Muslim sects
See also: Quranic religions

* Dances of Universal Peace
* Faradian Islam
* Nation of Gods and Earths
* United Submitters International

Judaism-oriented

Main article: Jewish denominations

* African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem
* House of Yahweh

Sikhism-oriented

Main article: Sikhism
See also: Category:Sikh groups and sects

Taoism-oriented

Main article: Taoism

* Cheondoism
* Jeung San Do
* Falun Gong
* Way of Former Heaven sects, including
o Daoyuan ("Sanctuary of the Tao"),
o I-Kuan Tao ("Way of Unity"),
o T'ung-shan She ("Society of Goodness"),
o Tien-te Sheng-chiao ("Sacred Religion of Celestial Virtue"),
o Tz'u-hui Tang ("Compassion Society").

Syncretic

Main article: Syncretism

Faiths created from blending earlier religions or that consider all or some religions to be essentially the same, often founded by Messiah/Buddha/Mahdi claimants who profess to fulfill several prophecies at once.

* Arès Pilgrim Movement
* Bwiti
* Cao Dai
* Church Universal and Triumphant
* Huna
* I-Kuan Tao
* Konkokyo
* Matrixism
* Modekngei
* Osho/Rajneeshism
* Santo Daime
* Seicho-No-Ie
* Tenrikyo
* Universal Life Church
* Vale do Amanhecer

Regional

NRMs with ties to local "indigenous" traditions or geographically limited influence.

Africa

NRMs based in Africa or drawing on traditional African religions.

* Bwiti
* Kemetic Orthodoxy
* Kemetism
* Legio Maria
* Lumpa Church
* Mungiki

Afro-American

Main article: Afro-American religions

* Santo Daime
* União do Vegetal
* Vale do Amanhecer

Central Asia

* Burkhanism

Central and South America

* Mama Tata
* Rastafari Movement
* Santo Daime
* União do Vegetal
* Vale do Amanhecer

China

* Falun Gong

Indonesia

* Abangan
* Kaharingan
* Kejawen
* Marapu
* Parmalim
* Santri
* Subud

Japan

Main article: Shinshukyo

* Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)
* Church of World Messianity
* Ho No Hana
* Ko***u no Kagaku
* Makuya
* Oomoto
* Pana Wave
* Reiki
* Seicho no Ie
* Shinreikyo
* Soka Gakkai
* Sukyo Mahikari

Korea

* Cheondogyo
* Jeung San Do
* Juche
* Providence
* Won Buddhism (Wonbulgyo)

Oceania

* John Frum
* Modekngei
* Prince Philip Movement

Phillipines

* Pulajans
* Union Espiritista Cristiana de Filipinas, Inc.

Taiwan

* True Buddha School
* I-Kuan Tao

United States

* Amica Temple of Radiance
* Ausar Auset Society
* Buddhist Nation
* Creativity Movement
* Ghost Dance
* Longhouse religion
* Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness
* Native American Church
* Nation of Gods and Earths
* Nation of Islam
* Nuwaubianism

Vietnam

* Cao Dai
* Hoa Hao
* Quan Yin Method

Esotericism, New Age,Occultism, Spiritism

Main articles: Esotericism, New Age, Occultism, and Spiritism

* Church Universal and Triumphant
* Direct Worship of the Actual God
* Eckankar
* Kenja Communication
* Order of the Solar Temple
* Process Church of the Final Judgement
* Ramtha's School of Enlightenment
* Silva Mind Control
* Summum
* Church of Synanon
* Union Espiritista Cristiana de Filipinas, Inc.
* Universal Faithists of Kosmon
* Urantia
* Vale do Amanhecer

UFO religions

Main article: UFO religion

* Aetherius Society
* Avatar
* Chen Tao
* Heaven's Gate
* Raelism
* Universe people
* Unarius Academy of Science
* Scientology[2][3][4]

Neo-paganism

Main article: List of Neopagan movements

Syncretic paganism

* Church of All Worlds
* Discordianism
* Summum
* World Pantheist Movement

Neopaganism

* Eclectic
o Church of All Worlds
o Neo-druidry
* Neo-druidism (Some Neo-druids are eclectic, some are Reconstructionist)
* Wicca
o British Traditional Wicca
+ Feri Tradition
+ Gardnerian Wicca
+ Alexandrian Wicca
+ Central Valley Wicca
+ Blue Star Wicca
+ Alexandrian Wicca
+ Dianic Wicca (Feminist Wicca)
# McFarland Dianic
# Faerie faith
# Faery Wicca
o Reclaiming
o Seax-Wica
+ Faery Wicca
+ Celtic Wicca
+ Christian Wicca
# Witta (Wicca)
+ Odyssean Wicca
+ Seax-Wica
* Polytheistic reconstructionist
o Baltic neopaganism
o Celtic neopaganism
+ Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism
o Finnish neopaganism
o Germanic neopaganism
+ Asatru
+ Theodism
o Hellenic neopaganism
o Judeo-Paganism
o Kemetism
o Roman neopaganism
o Slavic neopaganism
o Stregheria

Entheogenic

See also: Category:Religious organizations using entheogens

* Bwiti
* Cantheism
* Church of Cognizance
* Church of the Universe
* Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church
* Green Earth Ministries
* League for Spiritual Discovery
* Native American Church
* Rastafari Movement
* Sacrament of Transition
* Santo Daime
* THC Ministry
* União do Vegetal

Technology-oriented

Further information: Transhumanism

* Digitalism
* Singularitarianism

Ethnic supremacist

* Creativity Movement[5][6]
* Esoteric Nazism[7]
* Nation of Yahweh[8]
* Nordic racial paganism

Seems like alot has happened recently in religious circles. Why such a change? What's with all the "upgrades"?

And concerning the theory of the CIAs involvement in the drug culture one has only to investigate the Iran Contra Affair and do the math. Were the 60s a launching point for these operations?

We must always remember to thank the CIA and the Army for LSD. That's what people forget. Everything is the opposite of what it is, isn't it, Harry? So get out the bottle, boy -- and relax. They invented LSD to control people and what they did was give us freedom.

Playboy Interview with John Lennon and Yoko Ono:
Interviewed by David Sheff
Article ©1980 Playboy Press

Was all this manipulation going on in the 60s aimed at preventing an awakening or an attempt at creating one?

is there evidence of an intervention here, a self proclaimed divine intervention

upgrades brought to us by "beings" who have already "ascended" just like some are hoping to in 2012

other upgrades occurred in science around the turn of the 1900s. Cars, flight, telephones, electricity, and so much more. Were these men contacted too?

Bob Deans mentioned the Annanuki got re-involved here in 1913, same year the Fed was born. Is this their work, or are there factions?

Who the hell is behind the curtain?

Life is just a ride

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Trishsgate

I did some extensive research also into the 60's and 70's I think I have the years correct and what I found was what was wanted was not being achieved it took another 30 to 40 years to get people back into purchasing, overextending, reconfiguring societies etc. all to come to a slow down or crash which is occurring now. Can it be pulled off I doubt it seriously there is far to much greed in leadership roles for that to be overcome. You have to love people's individuality, their uniqueness and yet their unity and caring when needed. We can and should be service to self and service to others this duality is what defines us.

If unity was wanted then why have wars, conflict, and strife then why not steer away from that direction. If environmentalism is what is wanted then why create materialism, why use nuclear, coal and fossil fuels as primary sources of energy, I don't see it or get the picture if that is what they want they are going in a complete opposite direction.

I can relate, I do not pretend to know the answers. The fact that the media, the books, the magazines, and all other sources of information I use to even attempt to conclude such an answer could easily be painted with the brush of dis-information and control by those who have been in charge of making this information I use available.

Concerning the dicotome of behavior presented by our world leaders, and the fact that there are such wars and revolutions indicate that there is only one faction in control of all spinning out this play with actors and scripts, OR we are witnessing various factions vying for control and supremacy.

Bob Dean states that aliens never left and have been involved in every aspect of human life since the turn of the 20th century. Now I doubt the Nibiru scenario but not because I doubt him. (and to be honest, I have no clue but yet there is little evidence, and it could be a fear based game for the end game scenario we seem to be witnessing, real or not). Yet the idea of a alien race, coming here to give the next spiritual and technological boost to mankind intrigues me, because there is a trail to follow there. I could easily write an essay on this showing proof this is happening.

Nevertheless it is clear that we are seeing a war for control occurring in the government of the USA, especially concerning foreign policy and the question of war. Perhaps we are witnessing alien intervention that has sent people on a negative path as well as the opposite.

How long ago did this war start?

Who are the major players?

Are we only seeing the tip of the iceberg out here in the private sector?

What is the meaning behind all of this disclosure?