Symbology

[Dean Plejaren]

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Peer I have read the guidelines I understand the principles behind it all. You are in this paradigm of ownership and you think things are not restricted as you never thought out side of the box of what may be possible with people so you have never seen any obstruction to anything cause of lack of imagination. Then you blame me and say I am not valid about it. Which is fine ok but it doesn't add up logically. When you own a forum it doesn't mean you have to do things exactly the same every time and that there is no other way. You have a right to make decisions to ban or whatever I'm just talking if you want to evolve and make things work better.

You say start acting like a guest. But I don't understand ownership culture. To me the trees land and everything is not owned. Including forums. Like white people telling the native Americans start acting like a guest. Well it does not work what guest? We are here on earth.

No-one owns things my thoughts aren't property just cause I'm on a forum doesn't mean I have to change myself. I don't see myself as a guest of anything. As for using guidelines as blackmail for me thinking for myself well it makes no difference what you think I should do I am still free to live how I want and with the consequences of it.

notice how you made the analogy of getting eaten. People are so mind controlled they are programed to have everything backwards, including the concept that the laws of nature are fake and not the law that is superimposed on it.

If I follow the laws of nature how will I get eaten by a bear? If you follow imaginary laws instead of nature without exception.......this is the symbol for you right here....







I'm not saying how to run this particular forum nor am I "dashing in screaming and insulting". This place is not an exception to anywhere else on earth I treat it the same and I respect people the same. I am not invading anything or abusing anyone.

I think I have made it pretty clear where I stand I shouldn't have to clarify anymore.

[Karen]

So is this the human being eaten by the dragon or is it the symbol of the human traveling through the "wormhole?"

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

If I follow the laws of nature how will I get eaten by a bear? If you follow imaginary laws instead of nature without exception.......this is the symbol for you right here....

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Karen

So is this the human being eaten by the dragon or is it the symbol of the human traveling through the "wormhole?"

It's the human traveling in their Alfa Romeo

[Dean Plejaren]

Originally Posted by Karen

So is this the human being eaten by the dragon or is it the symbol of the human traveling through the "wormhole?"

Karen that is an interesting interpretation of the symbol. However why does it have a crown dragon face and sharp teeth if it was a wormhole.

I just noticed something looking at that symbol more closely. There is an infinity sign entangled in it and the human (or infant) is actually the tail of this thing. Like most serpent pictures that eat it's tail. but there is also an extra tail that is a path separate from the infinity sign.....maybe that is the wormhole integrated into it too.

The symbol was re-designed for this company. I think there is more to this..

In 1910 a draughtsman named Romano Cattaneo was given the job of coming up with a badge for a new Milan-based company, ALFA. The story goes that as he was waiting for a train at the Piazza Castello terminus in Milan, he gained inspiration from the great Visconti family's red cross and biscione (human child-bearing serpent) coat of arms emblazoned over the great door of Castello Sforzesco.

then I came across this.

Biscione-Italian Serpent Symbolism strikingly similar to Quetzalcoatl in Mayan ... It has been the emblem of the Italian Visconti family

Tracing that family back it ses that the symbols they used in their armory was derived from the time of the ancient Egyptians and even further back. It's an old ancient symbol and whatever it represents is significant.

[Reunite]

I know it's going off topic abit but it's also found on Italian (Illuminati) Former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's Residence

[Dean Plejaren]

I went to trace down the biscione Italian serpent symbolism and it's connected me with 911 occult symbolism..........

It ses it's the brotherhood of the snake....

Originally Posted by http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Occult_symbolism_X

As far as I can tell, the first modern references to "The Brotherhood of the Snake" to be taken very seriously were made by the great William Cooper. He thought of the Brotherhood of the Snake as the source of all ancient mystery societies and the secret source of, above all, the Eleusinian Mysteries. The cults of Ra, Osiris, Orpheus, Isis, Dionysus, etc. were, in Cooper's view, partially corrupted emanations of this great Original Mystery. Cooper also felt that the original Bavarian Illuminati as conceived and founded by Weishaupt was little more than a front for The Brotherhood of the Snake. By extending this line of reasoning, we could say that all relevent Secret Societies even in the 21st century are emanations of, and perhaps even fronts for, this original secret society."

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Reunite

I know it's going off topic abit but it's also found on Italian (Illuminati) Former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's Residence

Emerging from the mouth of wisdom.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Swallowed up by wisdom

I posted several links above - I do not believe this is a "swallowing" symbol, but a symbol of a person popping out through a "wormhole."

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Karen

I posted several links above - I do not believe this is a "swallowing" symbol, but a symbol of a person popping out through a "wormhole."

A philisohical death and rebirth

[Karen]

Wormhole - does the little human look ecstatic, not like being eaten? Yes!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...r_whenry01.htm
In the designs below from Egypt and Europe, the little souls is emerging jubilantly from the mouth of a Serpent (or worm hole). These express the passage "Osiris enters the tail of a great serpent, was drawn through its body and came out through its mouth, and was then born anew." The story of Jesus/Jonah and the whale mirrors this story.

Lots more good stuff on this page and this web site.
Check out this page of reptile links

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/su...s/reptiles.htm

Peace out,
Karen

Edit: perhaps the teeth are a trick - you wouldn't want the peasants to know about anything esoteric.

[Karen]

This is one of my favorite topics I have not researched enough. Maybe we will need to split this off and make a new thread. I'll check with the other mods on that.

Its better to click the link and see ALL the pictures.
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/autho...he_cathars.pdf
This bas-relief from Sion, Switzerland illustrates the medieval belief in the
concordance of the theft of the blue apples from the Anunnaki and the Crucifixion of
Jesus. Old Testament scenes are grouped together with the Passion of Jesus as if they
happened at the same time.

When put together with depictions of Jesus (E.A.?) as a serpent on the Cross the
message is clear: the Gnostic Crucifixion was a stargate or wormhole event.

[Dean Plejaren]

Thanks karen.

[Reunite]

Isn't it nice that occult serpent symbolism is bringing us together with praises and compliments.

Anyway Karen if you haven't Read 'The Biggest Secret' by David Icke you should if this info fascinates you.

Also Michael Tsarions lectures on sacred symbolism going back to Babylonian worship represented in the media today is a great view
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...51284579583762

[Karen]

Hey, hey Reunite,

We have not crossed paths on the forum yet! Thank you for your contributions to the thread. Yes, I always like to see if the communication channels can be smoothed out. I think with a little effort and sometimes a lot of effort, 99% of the time it can be. It is usually just about misunderstandings.

I do have my own copy of the The Biggest Secret. and watched every Icke and Tsarion lecture I could find. I think whoever controls the earth is not human, not at the top levels, and maybe they do not even exist in this dimension. Like that children's cartoon movie, Monsters, Inc. about the "fear factory" being their source of energy and at the end the little girl turns them all on to love energy.

This thing about the snake being the wormhole though - maybe I missed it in the past - well I don't see it in the index of the Icke book but I have underlining and sticky tabs all over the place in that book. This snake symbolizing the wormhole seems quite recent. I know Tsarion says the snake in the Bible saved the second human creation from their masters or something like that. Maxwell Jordan is a great source too!

I would like to own a zillion books on these topics!

Karen

Originally Posted by Reunite

Isn't it nice that occult serpent symbolism is bringing us together with praises and compliments.

Anyway Karen if you haven't Read 'The Biggest Secret' by David Icke you should if this info fascinates you.

Also Michael Tsarions lectures on sacred symbolism going back to Babylonian worship represented in the media today is a great view
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...51284579583762

hmmm.. just thinking... might seem totally crazy here.. but what if the Serpent/wormhole thing is the same as the 'dark tunnel' which I and many others have been through to 'other side' when had an NDE?? Am just pondering here!

[Dean Plejaren]

Did you read that NDE I posted in the link? It's in the spirituality section. That was a guy experiencing going through a long tunnel into a different universe....

Not read it Dean, but will seek it our later and have a read..

the 'long tunnel' to the other side/universe is very common to NDE's.. I know the tunnel I went through was very long.. was moving (not static/fixed).. and was also very very dark !! Thank God there was a beautiful light at the end !!

[Reunite]

Hey hey hey karen,

Didn't realise you were pinpointing serpent symbology with wormholes alone. I'm not a big fan of the TV show Stargate SG-1 but have you see the references to serpents?

Here are the names of some titles in the first two seasons alone

'Within the Serpent's Grasp'
'The Serpent's Lair'
'Serpent's Song'

what are they telling us??

[stal]

here are some interesting black-ops patches














also, imo there is a lot more to shows like sg-1 than many realise. zorgon has posted some interesting sg-1 info here;

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...47&postcount=4

[taadev]

Originally Posted by stal

here are some interesting black-ops patches

also, imo there is a lot more to shows like sg-1 than many realise. zorgon has posted some interesting sg-1 info here;

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...47&postcount=4

You mean like all of us running to 'ascend' into a wraith 'cattle' ship?
(Or was that character designed to make us hesitate?)

One thing I've come to know is that not all 'Sci-Fi' is fiction.
(ie. Spock/Vulcans complete with \\ // four finger salute was viewed on an ancient and priceless artifact.)

Reminded me of the first time seeing an ancient clay vase with a 'Swastica' emblazoned thereon. It was one of those Kodak/WTF?? moments. My ex had to DRAG me out of that place, one could spend a week wondering large museums and researching what you find.

What an interesting read to learn how the swastika symbol was inverted to give off the opposite emotions with which it was originally imbued. It seemed to have been a symbol of luck and perhaps the wheel of life in other cultures.

[777 The Great Work]

[I have edited the spacing in this post for a little added clarity. Each picture has a comment added under it by 777 The Great Work, although it looks to be part of the info from the original reply to this thread, it is new information. Karen]

Originally Posted by stal

here are some interesting black-ops patches



Orion and the blazing star sirius.Maybe 2 ET groups with the ruleing power of the Dragon




Kundalini serpent raised




Never before Never again



Knowledge being supressed from the masses.


T

The Bolt represents enlightenment comming without warning or destruction comming without warning in a flash like flash gordon comming through the clouds of ignorance that block out the light.O procul este, profaniFar hence be souls profane!This basically means not to be understood by the material thinking masses.








The dragon protecting with the power of orion. Orion is also known as the son of man and is symbolic of the divine in man.

also, imo there is a lot more to shows like sg-1 than many realise. zorgon has posted some interesting sg-1 info here;

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...47&postcount=4

procul este, profani
Far hence be souls profane!This basically means not to be understood my the material thinking masses.All of these patches represent the use of the feminine energy to cause destruction, except the medic patch

[Karen]

Hmm TV and movies are full of all kinds of symbols, mind control, attempts to influence time lines. Therefore, I've mostly opted out of those mediums including music which can be encoded with some nasty stuff. John Lennon said something just days or weeks before he was taken out. I posted a link somewhere on the forum. I've never seen an episode of SG-1.

What a day at Avalon. I'm getting EMF zapped by too much computer time. Better run off to another room!

Karen

Originally Posted by Reunite

Hey hey hey karen,

Didn't realise you were pinpointing serpent symbology with wormholes alone. I'm not a big fan of the TV show Stargate SG-1 but have you see the references to serpents?

Here are the names of some titles in the first two seasons alone

'Within the Serpent's Grasp'
'The Serpent's Lair'
'Serpent's Song'

what are they telling us??

[Peer]

Hi Dean,
when there are people who think they have the freedom to stand on my toes I take the freedom to kick them there where they don't like it, being the natural law of the strongest.
I never see you using the expression: In my humble opinion, meaning that you can be wrong as well.
No hard feelings though as long as you don't stand on my toes and take my advice:
If you meet with a bear: Don't try to argue. Run like hell.

[taadev]

Originally Posted by Karen

<snip>. John Lennon said something just days or weeks before he was taken out. I posted a link somewhere on the forum. I've never seen an episode of SG-1.

What a day at Avalon. I'm getting EMF zapped by too much computer time. Better run off to another room!

Karen

Interesting phrasing that seems to indicate you are aware of the worst form of mind control using kids as 'zombie' /suicide bombers.

Can you not deduce from this that lessor forms would be used as psyops against the children of activist/whistle-blowers? (See my rather lengthy first post.) I wonder why WIll Smith refused to send his kids to public school? Well informed guy and if you watch carefully you'll notice certain well informed parents pick their kids up at school and do NOT let them become outside friends with those met through school. Sad, but certain state of the union when certain teachers, vice-principals cannot be trusted to watch out for their charges. (Some KNOW exactly what's going on and others are motivated through the MOB effect and lies made up about the kids/parents.)

Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.)

Here, those in charge have no problems taking advantage of the naive and trusting children, elderly, sick, Spanish speaking crowd in many ways. (I've witnessed personally: tax R.E. tax levies when parents die:COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, 'misbilled' medical insurance by major hospitals, and organized mobbing in the 'public' schools.

I call it the 'Oops Business Model'
that makes big bucks off the back of those that can least afford it.
The MAFIA and likely the Rockefeller monster, La Raza are the foot soldiers of the criminals in charge of the s'elected' officials of the State of Cali.

The farther down you go It just gets curiouser and curiouser....

Do take notice of another FACT from a long time activist: activism has been deeply infiltrated and when one sees this sort of nonresponse by alleged leaders they get paranoid about have stumbled across yet another 'faux' activist group filled with well meaning members. (The 'leaders of these faux groups are bird dogging potential threats: Read as intellectuals that 'see too well' and/or have the abilities to stimulate crowds. i.e. taken from the COINTELPRO manuals as targets from the sixties.)

But of course our FBI, does not do this anymore as we've learned to use those employed by certain corps to add a layer of protection should any FBI offices AGAIN get burglarized.

If Separation of Church and State is good then Separation of Corp and State is Divine!

[Karen]

Hi Taadev,

Yes, I am somewhat aware of the mind control being used on all of us, and of this horrendous use of children. I don't think I know near the detail about it that you do, and thus some of your comments/questions seem rather oblique [sideways, rather than straight on] and it is difficult to interpret what you are getting at here. Perhaps you could post some links for those that wish to learn more.

I do, however, very much object to your approach, not your content in this part: "Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.) "

1) You could ask this question without casting aspersions onto Camelot's leaders.
2) How do you know they are aware of this?
3) Have you contacted them about it?
4) Maybe it lies outside the immediate areas of interest for Bill and Kerry to investigate?
4) I did see one post that Bill and Kerry have the goal to someday interview an actual ET being. Your area of concern does not seem to me to be a stepping stone along that path.
5) They can only pick one thing at a time to follow up on and I know they go a lot by their gut and intuition on these matters of choice/who is truthtelling and who is lying.
6) Bill and Kerry cannot spend a lot of time reading on this forum, and it's like a needle in a haystack that even a moderator will come upon comments like your's that are begging for a factual, rather than assumptive answer.
7) If you have direct questions for them, and have not done so, send them an email (best option) (http://projectcamelot.net/contact.htm) or PM (Kerry Cassidy or Bill Ryan) one of them so they can answer for themselves about your accusations. But then again, this field of exposing the hidden hand is huge and it is not possible for them to answer every email they get. I get answers to some emails and not to others.
8) If you have not done so, please send them the contact information for witnesses. Even if they cannot answer you, they can at least consider putting this on the table for future areas of investigation.

I do know that in my home state of Oregon there are multiple known cases of beautiful young girls (parents being falsely accused of cause to remove the child) being taken from a parent/the parents by Children's Protective Services, and purposely handed over into foster care where they are used in kiddie porn productions and other disgusting and related activities. It is a centuries-old nationwide/global operation that uses both boys and girls. I've read the Boystown story or maybe it was a film I watched. Sickening yes, and someone has to step up to the plate to expose and stop this abuse that is as old as humankind on this planet - but maybe that is not what Bill and Kerry signed up for this time around. This is indeed a VERY dangerous arena to dip your toe into. It sounds more like a huge-in-itself specialty area of interest for any brave soul that would dare to look that way, let alone take a step in it's direction.

Below you present information (because you know it so well) that is so disjointed from the average person's knowledge of this that it would be helpful to see more transitional info/direct web links. And then maybe someone will become activated that this is indeed their mission this time around.

Love is who we are,
Karen

Originally Posted by taadev

Interesting phrasing that seems to indicate you are aware of the worst form of mind control using kids as 'zombie' /suicide bombers.

Can you not deduce from this that lessor forms would be used as psyops against the children of activist/whistle-blowers? (See my rather lengthy first post.) I wonder why WIll Smith refused to send his kids to public school? Well informed guy and if you watch carefully you'll notice certain well informed parents pick their kids up at school and do NOT let them become outside friends with those met through school. Sad, but certain state of the union when certain teachers, vice-principals cannot be trusted to watch out for their charges. (Some KNOW exactly what's going on and others are motivated through the MOB effect and lies made up about the kids/parents.)

Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.)

Here, those in charge have no problems taking advantage of the naive and trusting children, elderly, sick, Spanish speaking crowd in many ways. (I've witnessed personally: tax R.E. tax levies when parents die:COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, 'misbilled' medical insurance by major hospitals, and organized mobbing in the 'public' schools.

I call it the 'Oops Business Model'
that makes big bucks off the back of those that can least afford it.
The MAFIA and likely the Rockefeller monster, La Raza are the foot soldiers of the criminals in charge of the s'elected' officials of the State of Cali.

The farther down you go It just gets curiouser and curiouser....

Do take notice of another FACT from a long time activist: activism has been deeply infiltrated and when one sees this sort of nonresponse by alleged leaders they get paranoid about have stumbled across yet another 'faux' activist group filled with well meaning members. (The 'leaders of these faux groups are bird dogging potential threats: Read as intellectuals that 'see too well' and/or have the abilities to stimulate crowds. i.e. taken from the COINTELPRO manuals as targets from the sixties.)

But of course our FBI, does not do this anymore as we've learned to use those employed by certain corps to add a layer of protection should any FBI offices AGAIN get burglarized.

If Separation of Church and State is good then Separation of Corp and State is Divine!