The Goodbye Thread / Options To stay

A goodbye thread... how appropriate...

Originally Posted by Reunite

I think not listening to 77% of their supporters suggesting other means to generate an income is career suicide, in saying that I wish Bill & Kerry all the best of luck in the future.

Not really if you look at the numbers... and I too agree with you that its not the money (though 60.00 a years IS outrageous) but the principle.

How can you purport to be a whistle blower on government and PTB wrong doing and greed, then say you will charge for it?

Now then, lets look at the numbers for a minute and put this in perspective...


Fee... 60.00 a year...

Current members as of today...

5,342 times 60 equals $320,520.00

Active Members as of today... about 50%

2,651 times 60 equals $159,060.00

If only half of the ACTIVE members pony up the loot (25% of total members)... that still leaves $79,530.00 a year income. Not to shabby where I come from.

Most of us have to work HARD to get even close to half that for a yearly income, but this money will be used so the Camelot crew can travel around the world to talk to people (who may or may not have anything of value to say, truth wise, as recent wrong predictions have shown)

Add the book sales, t-shirts, coffee mugs and CD's/DVD's and you have a very lucrative business.

Impressive Maybe I should reconsider 'getting into the business' After all ATS is now worth over $250,000.00

So the book is already at 1500 pages in draft form. Seems to me this was planned all along. Hoagland would be proud. Don't forget the Press Club in Washington release. RH sold a LOT of copies from that release

Congratulations for joining the ranks of "Truth for Megabucks" whistle blowers. May you live well in your posh resort in Australia while the ground crews scramble for cover in the dirt when the SHTF, as it so obviously will according to all the 'info' spread here.

[franciejones]

zorgon...your post is exactly what I hope will disappear with a paid subscription!

What the "nay sayers" keep failing to mention is that EVERYONE will be free to read all info here....

Originally Posted by franciejones

zorgon...your post is exactly what I hope will disappear with a paid subscription!

Tsk, tsk, tsk, . . . (sigh)

Originally Posted by franciejones

zorgon...your post is exactly what I hope will disappear with a paid subscription!

What the "nay sayers" keep failing to mention is that EVERYONE will be free to read all info here....

after reading your comments i conclude that you may be a prime candidate
for some cult somewhere....good luck on the compound!



what you seem to not notice is that the info will be leaving once ppl like zorgon are gone...

[franciejones]

Thank you crowmirror! I appreciate your thoughts.

Originally Posted by franciejones

What the "nay sayers" keep failing to mention is that EVERYONE will be free to read all info here....

Hi Francie...

I what many people, myself included are feeling, and the point we're trying to make is this..

yes, we understand the forum will be 'free to read' by all after the change to a monetary-based participation system is imposed... but the point that seems to have been overlooked (or perhaps ignored?) is that what MAKES this forum what it is, is the very information that is provided by the members themselves.. through being able to come and participate, freely and equally.

The whole idea/premise of a Forum, as I understand it, is participation by the public/audience (forgive me if I'm incorrect, I have not checked this in dictionary)... it is the members being able to actively contribute/voice/discuss.. not stand behind a screen hidden from view and just observe..

The members ARE this forum. No members = No information = No forum.

Without the members being able to input/access freely and equally... I think the forum will, sadly, start to be somewhat lacking in having content, and diversity, and may very well find itself not having "all the info", before too long....


Peace and good wishes

[franciejones]

I appreciate what you are saying Worlds Beyond 2...HOWEVER Bill stated that being here is a privilege NOT A RIGHT and if a paid subscription is needed then it is NOT UP FOR DEBATE......

People who do not wish to pay are not REQUIRED TO DO SO. I do not see what the problem is.

Originally Posted by franciejones

I appreciate what you are saying Worlds Beyond 2...HOWEVER Bill stated that being here is a privilege NOT A RIGHT and if a paid subscription is needed then it is NOT UP FOR DEBATE......

People who do not wish to pay are not REQUIRED TO DO SO. I do not see what the problem is.

Ouch!!
I was not having a go at you at all, so why are you up on some high horse ?

The "privilege" aspect, if there is one, goes BOTH ways.. are PA not priveleged that so many ordinary members have shared so much of their personal experiences, knowledge, idea and stories on here??

the "RIGHT" ??? oh.. ok... well.. I'm not sure it's worth continuing trying to reason with you ... ?? There is a BIG difference between "appreciating" what someone is saying, and really seeking to understand their view/feelings/thoughts, with an open mind and heart...

Take care Francie!

Originally Posted by franciejones

zorgon...your post is exactly what I hope will disappear with a paid subscription!

What the "nay sayers" keep failing to mention is that EVERYONE will be free to read all info here....

I have to say I dont think this comment was constructive, we all have the right to an oppinion and express our fellings, even if sometimes they are read wrongly.

We still, even if some choose to leave the forum, for what ever private or disclosed reasons that they may have, we have things going on in the world which will require at some stage people working together to bring love and peace back to a stricken world, bickering and rudeness will only make people like myself wonder if the love and light realy shines from this once lovely forum.

Donny

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by zorgon

A goodbye thread... how appropriate...

.... (though 60.00 a years IS outrageous)

$12.00 a year minimum.

How can you purport to be a whistle blower on government and PTB wrong doing and greed, then say you will charge for it?

Whistleblowers contact us for free by post, telephone, e-mail or Skype. We had one such conversation tonight, that lasted for 90 minutes.

After due diligence, we publish their testimony free of charge on the net, and sometimes pay thousands of dollars to travel to interview them on camera.

Viewers, listeners or readers pay precisely $0.00.

Now then, lets look at the numbers for a minute and put this in perspective...

Fee... 60.00 a year...

Current members as of today...

5,342 times 60 equals $320,520.00

Active Members as of today... about 50%

2,651 times 60 equals $159,060.00

If only half of the ACTIVE members pony up the loot (25% of total members)... that still leaves $79,530.00 a year income. Not to shabby where I come from.

Bogus math. Not very scientific

So the book is already at 1500 pages in draft form. Seems to me this was planned all along.

We started thinking about the book in January.

Congratulations for joining the ranks of "Truth for Megabucks" whistle blowers. May you live well in your posh resort in Australia while the ground crews scramble for cover in the dirt when the SHTF, as it so obviously will according to all the 'info' spread here.

Shame on you, Ron. F*** your sarcasm. If you'd met us in Vegas when we offered to buy you dinner - and you never returned any of our phone calls - you would have learned at first hand about us, our principles and values.

You've never once met us, but you prefer internet rumor, and (as usual) figure that you know best. You may not.

Be careful - you are revealing what a good researcher you may or may not be.

Ask John what kind of people we are. He will tell you.

Very best wishes, Bill

[franciejones]

Love you Bill.

Well said!

Please know that most of Avalons supporters do not buy into the rubbish that was posted on this thread by zorgon.

[capreycorn]

[Truth voice 2012]

Jaysus! Avalon is really gettin a good oul beating off the duality stick recently. Tempers flairing and broken hearts all over the place and not forgetting the Love and light crowd still dancing naked and holding hands in the corner. How interesting. Ill miss throwing in a thought or two every now and then her on avalon but Ill still visit to gather info (if theres any left after everyone leaves). I wish everyone all the best. I pray, out of all the theories that are out there on whats gonna happen that we do indeed evolve into something better. If its certain death for all, than Ill see you all next time we reincarnate and start all this bulls**t all over again.

Good bye for now peeps

Danny

[Bobcat]

interesting point Truth Voice 2012,

If we are all dead and moving vibration/dimention, why do we need cash ?

[symbolon]

I beg to differ on your view here. I for one, have very little, materailly or financially. I came here as much to share my experiences with others as to learn from others experiences. Memebers who post are not "takers". Many, maybe MOST, are in fact "Givers", as they are sharing and providing information, knowledge, experience and learning. The members contributions are the SOLE content of the Avalon forum.

I guess it's your very good right to differ.

Also.. how can you possibly comment or know what any single person here does to make a contribution to this world?? Do you know any, or all of them?? What they have done/do now/do in future?? Who are you to estimate, assume or judge anybody's commitment or actions or record towards service to others, to the world, or to bringing about positive changes???

Why can i not comment? You do! My opinion on this subject may be different from yours, but it's just as valid.

the accusation that people who are leaving " prefer self-service, i.e. what's in it for me? And yet, ..want this world to change for the better...just as long as you are not asked to participate in it's change" is not only laughable, it is quite insulting and offensice to the many, many people (much more than me!) who have shared so much knowledge, wisdom, love and ideas on here.. and in life/the woder world ... for FREE !!!

I guess you want everything for free.

Originally Posted by symbolon

I guess it's your very good right to differ.


Why can i not comment? You do! My opinion on this subject may be different from yours, but it's just as valid.


I guess you want everything for free.

Symobolon..

1. there's a very big difference between making a "comment" / having an "opinion" and making accusations/value judgements about people.

2. I don't want anything for free. I don't want anything in fact. I have no 'wants' in my life.

thank you for replying



By the way... one final thought..... not aimed at anyone, just a thought... after all this debate/conflict about money... and "Right" and "privilege" etc.... have some people forgotten what is coming?? What lies ahead???

The fact is.. there is no such thing as MONEY on the 'other side' !!!


Peace and light to all..... and God bless your journey...

[symbolon]

The fact is.. there is no such thing as MONEY on the 'other side' !!!

Very true, but this is not the others side.

I have no 'wants' in my life.

Not so. Judging from your original aggressive post, you want to be heard...agressively if need be. You have already demonstrated this. I do not recall attacking anyone at all or making hostile comments. You did this, i did not. I merely voiced my opinion, like you did, nothing more.

Peace to you too

[herbivore]

this really sucks
adios amigos

[Flying Pyramid]

To Bill & Kerry From The Son Of Man:

I go by many names but the one i am is S.O.M. (Son Of Man).
I was given a mission, a purpose at the age of 12.
That Free DC Energy be released 4 years before 2012.
This is my all consuming reason to live or i would have taken myself out years ago. You honestly have no idea what it feels like, the mind f**k it plays on you to know what i know for 21 years and know there's nothing i can do or obtain that will ever make me happy because it was not my purpose. So in the later days of my life i begin to wake up and find a place called "Camelot" & "Avalon" and see my people, my family, there. The gathering place of others, the true heros and heroins of our day and age. All of a sudden in a blink of an eye i was not alone, i was not crazy as i thought most of my life. Everything i have ever possably thought or contimplated is here. I knew right then that this was the place i had to find. This is where i was to tell the world what i knew. I at anytime could have handed this over to the powers that be. I could have been king of the world, the man that sold the world. But i didn't. I stuggled on faceing whatever life and the PTB through at me. Marching on even though i knew nothing. I had nothing to go on other than a dreram. I had noone to walk with me other than god. And i fought god (myself) evey step of the way. But i stumbled into my destiny being guided by my own madness. It was the dream that kept me going. The whole time i was lost, homeless and hiding i was never hungry. I was always clothed. I never had to freeze outside. I was never messed with or assualted even in the most dangerous places in the world i walked freely.
I metsome of the most beautiful people in the world living in places where haveing almost nothing is a blessing.
And then it dawns on me, i have never once spanged. (spare change for money) Not once have i ever asked for money. Why? I should have, i could have had alot better times than i did, but looking back on it, i never wanted for anything. When i was hungry i ate. When i was cold i was warmed. When i needed rest i did safely.

Do you know why it worked this way?

Because i was doing the work of my higher self for us all.
The greater good is all that matters. Only us together can induce change.
If you are doing the work of the gods, and you are, then fear not.
Want not. For what you need is allready written.
God knows what you need. And you shall have it.
Money in all ways is a service to self.
In a positive community the farmer farms, the butcher butches, the fisherman fishes, the warriors protect, the tailor clothes, the chef cooks and no man, woman or child goes without anything.

Knowledge is power.
Power corupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

To with hold knowledge or to "charge", "barter", or other is to keep the haves powerful and the have nots weak.
For this is the path to the darkside.
For this plants seeds of seperation. It builds the foundation for the house of corruption.

When i saw this thread and the others my first emotion was to "pay" you for a subscription and then repost everything posted here in another forum i would make for free so that those of us who barley get time to get online could have access to this and other knowledge.
What if i came here after the subscription was iplimented and free dc energy was not released here or anywhere? What then? Would this knowledge be lost to worlds past forever?
What if there are people out there that have even greater knowledge to share but may be living a life or hiding in a life that would greatly benifit us.

So i stop that train of thought. I sit back and reflect on that former feeling of, "i've never wanted for anything" and i now say this:

I offer all that i am to help this cause.
If someone is hungry i will feed them.
If someone is naked i will cloth them.
If someone is scared i will comfort them.

Bill, Kerry, what you need is help. Not money.
I have run 5 seperate businesses and had what i thought was a life once.
But it is meaningless. If all this is to come to pass then money IS useless.
To charge money for knowledge of a world that will most likely NOT be based on money but what one can do for the community is a fundamental mind f**k from the start.

I left my fake life and dove head first into this one.
I now walk with god, not behind him or in front of him.
I let the human spirit of us all guide me.
And even now as i write this i am contempt with the life that is to come.

I beleive in the both of you. You would not be doing this if you were not meant to. I believe you are just and have love in your hearts.
Your purpose is to be a beacon of light so others will be able to stear their weary ships into the shore.

If the light is only visible to those that pay for it then we are lost.

What am i saying?
I'm saying that i offer up all that i am to your cause.
We can do it seperatly or we can work together.
There is strength in numbers.
I have already made dvd's and began to hand them out to everyone that will accept one. My friends at first then everyone.
What i know and what i am is a solid driving force of truth.
All that i am is for one purpose and one purpose only, to serve us.
That is my choice, that is what i asked for at 12.

I am moving to sedona Arizona and will get a full time job and still take on CGI jobs and poor every single dollor into this venture of yours if this is what it takes to see my, our (our as in the worlds) dream come true.
This is what i offer.


All For One & One For All
Son Of Man

[Orion Morris]

Great post!
I was just checking the other fourm that everybody is switching to and the vibe is totally different....
Their is a thread that says bring down avalon! People are crazy!
We have to do anything we can....

Let us dontate first... I will go into by beer and smoke budget to pull out a hundred buck and donate it...

Give me the adress I will send it tomorrow...

We cant ruin this place!!!

We can donate... We can figure this out.... fund raisers... radio... come to my college we will put you on the air and have a telethon!

Originally Posted by Flying Pyramid

To Bill & Kerry From The Son Of Man:

I go by many names but the one i am is S.O.M. (Son Of Man).
I was given a mission, a purpose at the age of 12.
That Free DC Energy be released 4 years before 2012.
[... content of large quite chopped - see forum guidelines]

[Xhaosis]

Nothing personal but I am supporter MUCH already... Lights love,the begging's of many more. Perhaps if I was single and this was my only platform to see the light, yet how do I need you? I do not, and 5 dollars is part of my breath whispering in so many's ears here already, if you want my blood perhaps, if it was to keep you alive, yet as in any failure,, it will not keep you alive. The value of my Five dollars keeps up the road signs in this cantrip where no sense has its final divide. In other wards I will be in the ashes, and god forbid you.. Dragging away the taste of me, and others who could not pay the price. A tragedy INDEED.. Don't forget to wash the sheets... For what you are claiming is a tragic ending.. Yet indeed you will save the day.... At last..

Peace

[alienarena]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I have some webmaster experience and successful websites with a lot a traffic such as this one can pull in a mint from advertising. There is no need for paid subscriptions if you set aside some space on your website for things like google ads or space to sell advertising.

[norman]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

F*** your sarcasm.

Your getting there Bill, just a little further and we'll really talking soon.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by norman

Your getting there Bill, just a little further and we'll really talking soon.

Responding to this and Bill's comment on sarcasm.

STOP! EVERYONE JUST STOP!

Do you believe in a world where a child can be born into a healthy environment with free education and equal chances to grow up into a beautiful and enlightened individual? Do you?

This is what the elections do to us. Friends that are close and dear to you being torn apart by bull sh*t. We have the same beliefs deep down. We want change. We want truth. We want to be loved.

These times are hard. The powers at be don't need to bring down this site by physically shutting it down. We are doing it ourselves with this pestering and bickering. It gets us no where. You are human. I am human. Even more importantly, we are all human (And above that, we are all thinking entities).

I've stated my positions in as much as a positive manner as possible not to infuriate people. The people on Avalon on some of the most good-hearted honest individuals I have ever met. We are surrounded by beauty and so many seem to forget it as you encompass yourself with hate and fear.

This world makes me so depressed at time, but I am always reminded of the beauty it shares with me in every prevailing moment. Don't let the latter overcome the former, otherwise you will be stuck in that dark lonely mindset that plagues the world continuously day in and day out.

I want to share a little bit more of my perspective here. A personal story with my life that I hope will shed some light. During the summer in Maine, I perform downtown more than several times a week with my fire dancing. I spend money on fuel and on the excess food for the calories for my performances. I set out a hat, and do my thing.

To many, it may seem that hat is my purpose, to get by, to feed myself, and so forth. That hat is seemly there for the form of generosity and respect. I am there to create beauty, to be apart of beauty, to fall into the moment as my feet dance to the music. But even more importantly, I want to share that beauty with the world. Someone walking home from a depressing day at work, picks up the far off sounds of Sigur Ros playing in the distance. The hypnotizing music attracts them to a square where they see myself moving ever so gracefully to the music with the awe of fire spinning around me. And for a moment, a single moment, they forget about the ******** in life, their troubles, their sorrows, and they smile as the beauty encompasses every aspect of their existence, even if for only a millisecond.

That is why I do what I do. Please people, please, remember the simple truths. They are the intangible friend that is always standing by your side, someone who you do not have to question your faith in.

So right now, I ask one thing. Just smile.

[GoingToFast]

what Bill and Kerry is asking of us in money is not much, the whole A-team is sitting all over the world moderating this forum that alone must cost a small bundle and the traveling to do the interviews and research must cost a bigger bundle.
I believe that some of you are confusing this with the likes of Commander-Adama who gives absolutely nothing of substance to you and ask for money in return, that is not what PC/PA is about.