A favor to ask to all at Avalon!

333mark333 · 11-22-2008, 04:24 PM

Gregor

Embrace your Karmic experiences. These are some of your most powerful times, so much growth will occur due to you reaching for Self as your position in your family home becomes Depressing. Your Parents are Teaching you about you, they are initiating your strengths and weaknesses through social experiences.

My friend you are way beyond most and you are so young. For your Self Awareness you chose to have a social experience that would Push your Buttons and challenge you, this would bring self inquiry as to who, what , where , why and how?

You are the Master of your Blue-Print, play the game and like the pied piper you will be followed.

For your parents- Your son is well received!! his intelligence and wisdom is delightful. The child grows.....maybe beyond your comprehension.

Dantheman62 · 11-22-2008, 11:07 PM

Get a job!

GregorArturo · 11-22-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Get a job!

I have a job! It's called co-owning an art gallery during a failing economy, and well the luxury business is a bitch then. I've been losing money, making zero bucks my friend.

Dantheman62 · 11-22-2008, 11:24 PM

So get a different job, HaHa, I shouldn't talk actually because I'm not working nor have I in a very long time, oops, nevermind I guess I'm being alittle sarcastic towards you, sorry! I've been through the schooling already for electronics, and am factory trained on 4 different types of mammography x-ray machines and 3 types of urological surgery tables, but can't get a job, at least locally!

11-23-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dantheman62

So get a different job, HaHa, I shouldn't talk actually because I'm not working nor have I in a very long time, oops, nevermind I guess I'm being alittle sarcastic towards you, sorry! I've been through the schooling already for electronics, and am factory trained on 4 different types of mammography x-ray machines and 3 types of urological surgery tables, but can't get a job, at least locally!

get a job!!

GregorArturo · 11-23-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 333mark333

Gregor

Embrace your Karmic experiences. These are some of your most powerful times, so much growth will occur due to you reaching for Self as your position in your family home becomes Depressing. Your Parents are Teaching you about you, they are initiating your strengths and weaknesses through social experiences.

My friend you are way beyond most and you are so young. For your Self Awareness you chose to have a social experience that would Push your Buttons and challenge you, this would bring self inquiry as to who, what , where , why and how?

You are the Master of your Blue-Print, play the game and like the pied piper you will be followed.

For your parents- Your son is well received!! his intelligence and wisdom is delightful. The child grows.....maybe beyond your comprehension.

Thanks for sharing Mark. I never thought of the whole push your buttons concept. It makes sense.

I still don't get where the whole get the job thing came in. Seems pretty off topic in my opinion. I'm just gonna keep focusing on my big presentation I am having next month. That's my priority.

asteram · 11-23-2008, 07:57 AM

I'm quite a bit older than you, Gregor, but went through the same thing with my parents.

One thing I can assure you of is that no relationship changes until both parties agree to it changing, consciously or unconsciously. You will not succeed in changing others to your value system, though it is possible to force them to give the appearance of changing.

I have been largely self employed in my life; to my parents this was unacceptable, the only acceptable life was to have a good job working for someone else.

I have always pursued creative paths in my work; to my parents this is meaningless as they are not even remotely creative.

Spirit, personal growth, and the search for truth have been a central tenet of my life, again meaningless to my parents, whose idea of spirituality is attending church regularly and who have no concept of work on one's self or personal growth.

Regardless of the success of my various endeavors, whether monetary or public acknowledgment, I didn't have a corporate position or government job, with medical insurance and a pension plan, so it was without value to my parents.

My values have never been material or consumerist. Those are the only values my parents recognize.

I'm now in my mid-fifties, my parents are in their eighties. I have grown and changed and continue to do so; they are still where they were fifty years ago.

None of this bothers me even slightly any more. It would have been great to have their approval, understanding, and support but they were and are simply incapable of it. I love them and let them be however they are. They do not want to change and are not going to change at my request any more than I am going to change for them.

As far as getting others' backing and approval to show to your parents that you are indeed "doing something" I don't think that will help much. I am quite happy with my accomplishments and have gotten plenty of praise and recognition for them, but those accomplishments are not anything my parents are capable of recognizing or understanding.

Should you succeed in getting them to attend your presentation, they would likely be bored to tears and not get it at all. I'd suggest don't bother; at least don't expect them to get it.

Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize for discovering the polymerase chain reaction, writes about how his mother still sends him little clippings from the paper when she reads something about DNA. She doesn't get it and isn't going to.

The only way I could ever have gotten their approval would have been to accept their value system, which would have meant giving up my own and living a life that would be a long, soul-deadening nightmare to me.

Someone noted earlier in the thread that some of us choose our parents because we want the fortuitous combination of genetics they are bringing together. I'm sure this was true in my case and it likely is in yours too.

It is simply going to be impossible to be true to yourself and meet with your parents' approval both. Get used to it. Just do your best to meet with your own approval. You really don't need anyone else's if you have that, and if you don't no one else's opinion matters anyway.

11-22-2008, 04:24 PM	#1
333mark333 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Western Shore of the Hudson Bay-churchill, manitoba, canada Posts: 301	Re: A favor to ask to all at Avalon! Gregor Embrace your Karmic experiences. These are some of your most powerful times, so much growth will occur due to you reaching for Self as your position in your family home becomes Depressing. Your Parents are Teaching you about you, they are initiating your strengths and weaknesses through social experiences. My friend you are way beyond most and you are so young. For your Self Awareness you chose to have a social experience that would Push your Buttons and challenge you, this would bring self inquiry as to who, what , where , why and how? You are the Master of your Blue-Print, play the game and like the pied piper you will be followed. For your parents- Your son is well received!! his intelligence and wisdom is delightful. The child grows.....maybe beyond your comprehension.

11-22-2008, 11:07 PM	#2
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: A favor to ask to all at Avalon! Get a job!

11-22-2008, 11:24 PM	#4
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: A favor to ask to all at Avalon! So get a different job, HaHa, I shouldn't talk actually because I'm not working nor have I in a very long time, oops, nevermind I guess I'm being alittle sarcastic towards you, sorry! I've been through the schooling already for electronics, and am factory trained on 4 different types of mammography x-ray machines and 3 types of urological surgery tables, but can't get a job, at least locally! Last edited by Dantheman62; 11-22-2008 at 11:37 PM.

11-23-2008, 07:57 AM	#7
asteram Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Isla de Margarita, Venezuela Posts: 161	Re: A favor to ask to all at Avalon! I'm quite a bit older than you, Gregor, but went through the same thing with my parents. One thing I can assure you of is that no relationship changes until both parties agree to it changing, consciously or unconsciously. You will not succeed in changing others to your value system, though it is possible to force them to give the appearance of changing. I have been largely self employed in my life; to my parents this was unacceptable, the only acceptable life was to have a good job working for someone else. I have always pursued creative paths in my work; to my parents this is meaningless as they are not even remotely creative. Spirit, personal growth, and the search for truth have been a central tenet of my life, again meaningless to my parents, whose idea of spirituality is attending church regularly and who have no concept of work on one's self or personal growth. Regardless of the success of my various endeavors, whether monetary or public acknowledgment, I didn't have a corporate position or government job, with medical insurance and a pension plan, so it was without value to my parents. My values have never been material or consumerist. Those are the only values my parents recognize. I'm now in my mid-fifties, my parents are in their eighties. I have grown and changed and continue to do so; they are still where they were fifty years ago. None of this bothers me even slightly any more. It would have been great to have their approval, understanding, and support but they were and are simply incapable of it. I love them and let them be however they are. They do not want to change and are not going to change at my request any more than I am going to change for them. As far as getting others' backing and approval to show to your parents that you are indeed "doing something" I don't think that will help much. I am quite happy with my accomplishments and have gotten plenty of praise and recognition for them, but those accomplishments are not anything my parents are capable of recognizing or understanding. Should you succeed in getting them to attend your presentation, they would likely be bored to tears and not get it at all. I'd suggest don't bother; at least don't expect them to get it. Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize for discovering the polymerase chain reaction, writes about how his mother still sends him little clippings from the paper when she reads something about DNA. She doesn't get it and isn't going to. The only way I could ever have gotten their approval would have been to accept their value system, which would have meant giving up my own and living a life that would be a long, soul-deadening nightmare to me. Someone noted earlier in the thread that some of us choose our parents because we want the fortuitous combination of genetics they are bringing together. I'm sure this was true in my case and it likely is in yours too. It is simply going to be impossible to be true to yourself and meet with your parents' approval both. Get used to it. Just do your best to meet with your own approval. You really don't need anyone else's if you have that, and if you don't no one else's opinion matters anyway.