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[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

But it's true. Do you deny this story? Look it up. Daniken is part of a heavily funded counter intelligence operation. what hardcore issues are you talking about. How about 'the disappearing male' (see my thread on avalon health forum) and how we're being sterilzed by people in lab coats, while new agers are busy chasing aliens and repitlians.

The real HARDCORE ISSUE is that God is not a bearded angry old guy that sits in the heavens, the issue is that the God's our creators are of EXSTRATERRESTRIAL origin, That is the hard-core issue that Däniken Maxwell Sitchin and others are talking about and that my friend is a bullet that you can not dodge for ever.

The disappearing male has to do with Chemical pollution and nothing else.

[Oneness]

I think everyone on this thread needs to smoke Dymethyltryptamine. Open up the gland, just once...then this whole arguing bit would disappear. The word Extraterrestrials would be replaced with Extra dimensionals, able to lower frequency to terrestrial.
Our race has more power than any of them. We've just been blinded into not seeing it.

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Oneness

The word Extraterrestrials would be replaced with Extra dimensionals, able to lower frequency to terrestrial.
Our race has more power than any of them. We've just been blinded into not seeing it.

This I could actually agree on, there is a possibility that some of the ET's are of extra dimensional character. You are also right on the human capability, we have enormous powers and capabilities within ourselves that is laying dormant in all of us, also one of the hidden truths is that we are all interconnected, we are all one collective subconscious, our souls are all connected.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

we are all one collective subconscious, our souls are all connected.

heres even more new age stuff. In fact this in one of the main ideas of the new age religon, which was taken from ancient hinduism. this is exactly the new world order agenda, to make us into 'the borg', in a hive mind consciousness. The new world order is about the destruction of the individual and it's well on it's way. Look into the symbolism of the bee and beehive.

I have tonnes of reports of the hive mind, about turning us into borg:

for one, look into this report:
"NANOTECHNOLOGY, BIOTECHNOLOGY, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND COGNITIVE SCIENCE"
National Science Foundation / Department Of Commerce-sponsored report - June 2002
(Large .PDF file approx. 7 MB): NBIC 405-page report. http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...ublication.pdf



And here is a follow up article about this report:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...898931815.html

US report foretells of brave new world
By Nathan Cochrane
July 23 2002

A draft government report says we will alter human evolution within 20 years by combining what we know of nanotechnology, biotechnology, IT and cognitive sciences. The 405-page report sponsored by the US National Science Foundation and Commerce Department, Converging Technologies for Improving Human Performance, calls for a broad-based research program to improve human performance leading to telepathy, machine-to-human communication, amplified personal sensory devices and enhanced intellectual capacity.

People may download their consciousnesses into computers or other bodies even on the other side of the solar system, or participate in a giant "hive mind", a network of intelligences connected through ultra-fast communications networks. "With knowledge no longer encapsulated in individuals, the distinction between individuals and the entirety of humanity would blur," the report says. "Think Vulcan mind-meld. We would perhaps become more of a hive mind - an enormous, single, intelligent entity."

Armies may one day be fielded by machines that think for themselves while devices will respond to soldiers' commands before their thoughts are fully formed, it says. The report says the abilities are within our grasp but will require an intense public-relations effort to "prepare key organisations and societal activities for the changes made possible by converging technologies", and to counter concern over "ethical, legal and moral" issues. Education should be overhauled down to the primary-school level to bridge curriculum gaps between disparate subject areas.

Professional societies should be open to practitioners from other fields, it says. "The success of this convergent-technologies priority area is crucial to the future of humanity," the report says.

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

heres even more new age stuff. In fact this in one of the main ideas of the new age religon, which was taken from ancient hinduism. this is exactly the new world order agenda, to make us into 'the borg', in a hive mind consciousness. The new world order is about the destruction of the individual and it's well on it's way. Look into the symbolism of the bee and beehive.

You haven't got a clue man do you, it is the exact opposite, when we humanbeings understands our true nature we will strengthen our individuality, what you are actually saying Doom is that we should fight against and oppress our true nature in order to be individuals, that is just stupid.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

You haven't got a clue man do you, it is the exact opposite, when we humanbeings understands our true nature we will strengthen our individuality, what you are actually saying Doom is that we should fight against and oppress our true nature in order to be individuals, that is just stupid.

That is all new age talk bro, please study it a bit before making such comments. We as a human race are being wiped and you are busy chasing a lie about alien origins of humanity. Of course we must study the past to help us understand how this sytem of control upon us works, but it has absoutely nothing to do with aliens, that's all complete dis-info. We can't be wasting out time chasing lies about ancient astronauts, even if the whole world got up up tomorrow morning believing we were created by aliens that would DO NOTHING to solve anything. But that's your choice, if you are afraid of knowledge that's your choice. Unless you've actually studied counter-intelligence and the new age and still believe what you do, then i would respect your opinion, but it is obvious you haven't cause you're falling right into it, a text book example of a new ager.

I really don't like the way this conversation is going, it's getting insulting etc. look, I've studied for many years - all the alien agenda stuff that you believe, and I don't agree. So you'll just have to agree to disagree with me, we are allowed to have different opinions. But i think it's only fair you look at the big picture and try to understand the new age movement. I think that would easily disprove your theories. That is just my opinion though. If you have already studied much of this and still beleive what you believe, then we're just have to agree to have differing opinions. I decided to come here for the purpose of waking up new agers, as I believe they have the best shot as opposed to those who are still stuck in the mainstream paradigms. But I am not going to do the research for anyone or tell anyone what they should think. I'm just trying to get out this information about counter-intellgegnce and the new age movement so that people can decide to look into it themselves, cause a person cannot be forced to wake up, they must take the intiative to wake up themselves.

And i'll mention that I do not "fight and oppress our true nature". Our true nature is our survival isntinct, and has nothing to do with aliens. Believing aliens are gods that created us is basically given up your survival instinct. Our true nature should be fighting back this new world order, and not allowing our minds to be disabled and spun into outterspace by disinfo. Our survival instinct only stays in tact when our minds do.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Oneness

I think everyone on this thread needs to smoke Dymethyltryptamine. Open up the gland, just once...then this whole arguing bit would disappear. The word Extraterrestrials would be replaced with Extra dimensionals, able to lower frequency to terrestrial.
Our race has more power than any of them. We've just been blinded into not seeing it.

there's some more new age for you. The promotion of drugs. Drugs don't hold the truth and never will. And yes i know all about DMT, I've spent far too many hours at erowid.org researching all kinds of drugs. I'm sorry but the entire oneness concept Icke and many others talk about acheiving on drugs is completely masonic and all a apart of the new age religion. Look into the real esoteric meanings of shamanism, it is just like any other religion, used as a tool of control, it does not contain much of any truth on a exoteric level. Also, if you wanted to actually look into the masonic meaning behind E.T or Extra Terrestrials, I think you'd be qutie fascinated.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

The real HARDCORE ISSUE is that God is not a bearded angry old guy that sits in the heavens, the issue is that the God's our creators are of EXSTRATERRESTRIAL origin, That is the hard-core issue that Däniken Maxwell Sitchin and others are talking about and that my friend is a bullet that you can not dodge for ever.

The disappearing male has to do with Chemical pollution and nothing else.

Why do you keep refering to me believing in a 'bearded angry old guy' as being God? I have never mentioned once that I believe in God or any religion.

The disappearing male is one of the most hardcore issues facing us today, it is not 'simply chemical pollution', it is a deliberate take down of our species. It is war on the population from all angles. The plan is to kill us all and create a new human species, specifically designed to better serve the elite, to be better slaves. Chasing our imaginations and false information about extra terresterial origins of our species will not help save our exitence, only the opposite.

Ugh there is so much new age here it is pretty worrysome, here's a thread that recently started to discuss the new age. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7434

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

Why do you keep refering to me believing in a 'bearded angry old guy' as being God? I have never mentioned once that I believe in God or any religion.

The disappearing male is one of the most hardcore issues facing us today, it is not 'simply chemical pollution', it is a deliberate take down of our species. It is war on the population from all angles. The plan is to kill us all and create a new human species, specifically designed to better serve the elite, to be better slaves. Chasing our imaginations and false information about extra terresterial origins of our species will not help save our exitence, only the opposite.

Ugh there is so much new age here it is pretty worrysome, here's a thread that recently started to discuss the new age. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7434

I almost feel sorry for you man you must live in a nightmare that is full of conspiracy-theories that has been amplified in to a state of paranoia, loosen up it isn't that bad. They aren't out to kill all of us, if they were we would all be dead a LOOOONG TIME ago, really.
And buy the way I'm not talking "new age" I'm talking about reality, who we really are and where we really come from and who our true creators are, that has nothing to do with "new age religion", that my friend is OLD AGE TEACHINGS AND WISDOM

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

I almost feel sorry for you man you must live in a nightmare that is full of conspiracy-theories that has been amplified in to a state of paranoia, loosen up it isn't that bad. They aren't out to kill all of us, if they were we would all be dead a LOOOONG TIME ago, really.
And buy the way I'm not talking "new age" I'm talking about reality, who we really are and where we really come from and who our true creators are, that has nothing to do with "new age religion", that my friend is OLD AGE TEACHINGS

No really, you are talking about new age. Look into it, practically everything you have said is text book new age, i'm not lying. Please study the new age movement. You're not talking about reality at all.

And yes, it is a nightmare we live in, but no there are no conspiracy theories, most conspiracy theories are lies with truths attatched to discredit the truths. But don't feel sorry for me, because you live in the same reality where it is a nightmare too, even if you chose not to see it that way.

And yes, they do plan to kill all of us, it's in official UN documents and many others, and is documented by many of the 'big boys' throughout history. Even plato talked about it 2000 years ago. It's been a plan by the elite's long in the making. That is the cold hard truth. The truth hurts, and it's only when we stop ignoring these negative facts that we can begin to fix them. That's another new age belief - that positive thinking and avoding negativity etc. will fix everything. You know what happens if we do that? Our minds become disabled, we lose our survival instincts, and we are easily made to do the will of our 'masters'. Facing reality is a lot harsher than buying into fairy tales about aliens, but not as fun, no it certainly isn't fun at all.

The reason they haven't killed us off already is because they needed us up until now, they've been using us to perpetuate their system(kind of like how the machines in the movie the matrix use the humans as batteries), but now that the technology is here etc., we have become 'useless eaters' as bertrand russel said. That's why the depopulation agenda has already began with all these diseases and cancers.

Please man, for the sake of all that is good, research the new age movement more extensively.

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

No really, you are talking about new age. Look into it, practically everything you have said is text book new age, i'm not lying. Please study the new age movement. You're not talking about reality at all.

And yes, it is a nightmare we live in, but no there are no conspiracy theories, most conspiracy theories are lies with truths attatched to discredit the truths.

And yes, they do plan to kill all of us, it's in official UN documents and many others, and is documented by many of the 'big boys' throughout history. Even plato talked about it 2000 years ago. It's been a plan by the elite's long in the making. That is the cold hard truth. The truth hurts, and it's only when we stop ignoring these negative facts that we can begin to fix them. That's another new age belief - that positive thinking and avoding negativity etc. will fix everything. You know what happens if we do that? Our minds become disabled, we lose our survival instincts, and we are easily made to do the will of our 'masters'. Facing reality is a lot harsher than buying into fairy tales about aliens, but not as fun, no it certainly isn't fun at all.

The reason they haven't killed us off already is because they needed us up until now, they've been using us to perpetuate their system(kind of like how the machines in the movie the matrix use the humans as batteries), but now that the technology is here etc., we have become 'useless eaters' as bertrand russel said. That's why the depopulation agenda has already began with all these diseases and cancers.

Please man, for the sake of all that is good, research the new age movement more extensively.

Listen dude, I have first hand experience of ET's I AM AN ABDUCTEE so I think I have fairly good idea about what I'm talking about, OK, they are as real as you and me.
I also have some esoteric experiences like out of body-experiences and precognitive dreams, I have first hand experience of what I'm talking about and it has NOTHING to do with any "new age agenda" belive me.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

Listen dude, I have first hand experience of ET's I AM AN ABDUCTEE so I think I have fairly good idea about what I'm talking about, OK, they are as real as you and me.
I also have some esoteric experiences like out of body-experiences and precognitive dreams, I have first hand experience of what I'm talking about and it has NOTHING to do with any "new age agenda" belive me.

my goodness...

that's what the new age agenda is.

I have to call you out on this, as I do with all 'abductees' I think either you are
a)a straight up liar,
b)you've gone somewhat mad because of the insanity on this planet(don't feel too bad, many are unable to maintain sanity in an insane society),
c)you've honestly had some very serious mind control. Be it through some sort of counter-intelligence information that effected your mind in such a way, or who knows, they are even capable of creating false memories in people, Berzisnki said in 'between two ages' that they would be able to electronically control the minds of the public, right down to targeting specific individuals, the technology is out there . I have long studied the abduction phenomenon. I still don't know for sure whether it's a complete fabrication, or if people are really experiencing what they think are abductions/obe's when they really aren't.
OR of course
d)there could be some rare medical condition, or chemical reaction to some of the garbage they've been putting into the evironment that causes these illusions, acting like a hallucinetic drug.

honestly I think it's likely a or b in your case. just my opinion of course.

this is what happens to the mind when the new age religion disables it.

[Pomguymguy]

I "Feel " a lot of very heavy energy here guys - points taken on both sides - the PTB just sit back and smile, I guess - they won yet another round -

There is truth out there - guess the answers will come soon enough

Paul R

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by doom

my goodness...

That's what the new age agenda is.

I have to call you out on this, as i do with all 'abductees' i think either you are
a)a straight up liar,
b)you've gone somewhat mad because of the insanity on this planet(don't feel too bad, many are unable to maintain sanity in an insane society),
c)you've honestly had some very serious mind control. Be it through some sort of counter-intelligence information that effected your mind in such a way, or who knows, they are even capable of creating false memories in people, berzisnki said in 'between two ages' that they would be able to electronically control the minds of the public, right down to targeting specific individuals. I have long studied the abduction phenomenon. I still don't know for sure whether it's a complete fabrication, or if people are really experiencing what they think are abductions/obe's when they really aren't.
Or of course
d)there could be some rare medical condition, or chemical reaction to some of the garbage they've been putting into the evironment that causes these illusions, acting like a hallucinetic drug.

Honestly i think it's likely a or b in your case. Just my opinion of course.

This is what happens to the mind when the new age religion disables it.

You really have no clue of what you're talking about, IDIOT.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTkzNa87WQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7UCShx1H424
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TXErof0cjUA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGi8qqn9k8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_JpDW6FDg
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-cGOsNSVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W0oci_5Ez0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14_xv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrBVq...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAaA...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnd0WX9sTz4

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

You really have no clue of what you're talking about, IDIOT.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTkzNa87WQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7UCShx1H424
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TXErof0cjUA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGi8qqn9k8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_JpDW6FDg
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-cGOsNSVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W0oci_5Ez0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14_xv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrBVq...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAaA...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnd0WX9sTz4

more childish name calling, and then post spam youtube links.... wonderful,

I've seen and read all this John Mack, Jim Sparks , etc. stuff before. Nothing new, just more dis-info. All this stuff is not true, don't you see? It's completeley new age, it all leads down the same path eventually. Please have you even read any of my posts? Study counter-intelligence, study the new age. All this alien abduction, alien contact, alien channeling stuff is a complete scam. And if it was real, it wouldn't be aliens, it would be high technology built here by us with no help from aliens, that is secret to the public, being tested on us.

[Magamud]

Doom,
Thanks for starting to spill you smarts on this manner. You usually just send people to Alan but it sounds like you have been around the block. Keep it up!
Nice job in trying to explain the counter intelligence with the new age. Good points with giving up your survival instincts, you cant go to your local Alien complaint department and how this is all predictive programming to form a world religion. We are just seeing a piece of time in this grand agenda that is spanning hundreds of years. I think to grasp this concept you have to believe/assume that man is wicked/psychopathic and through counter intelligence they mold and manipulate us. Then start the reading of their own documents and then realize how much power/money they have. How incredibly organized they are and then you can see much clearer on where we are at.

I think the recent controlled demolition of the church by the New Age movement is still so intense for people they are still held in that drama and cannot see the hegalian dialectic in it. That would be the smart thing to do by the PTB yes? By the time people get over the destruction of the old religions the New Age movement/counter intelligence has had time to codify itself and build its foundations/perceptions and its manipulation to control/decieve. Holy sh ee t the New age religion will last another 1000 years! We are in deep d o o d o o!

[Dadrious]

Thanks for the entertainment guys!

Really, is there anyone Alan Watt hasn't attacked?

Stay tuned for Alan Watt versus Jordan Maxwell in a cage match, live on pay-per-view this Sunday!

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Dadrious

Thanks for the entertainment guys!

Really, is there anyone Alan Watt hasn't attacked?

Stay tuned for Alan Watt versus Jordan Maxwell in a cage match, live on pay-per-view this Sunday!

Alan Watt has never "attacked" anyone. Though he'll answer questions about people if asked. And his answers are far from 'attacks', he does a lot of factual legitimate exposing, but never attacking.

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by Doom

Alan Watt has never "attacked" anyone. Though he'll answer questions about people if asked. And his answers are far from 'attacks', he does a lot of factual legitimate exposing, but never attacking.

Uh, yes he has. I've heard him, in his own voice, attack people. Michael Tsarion actually called him out on it and he backed down, blatantly lying saying he never said anything bad about him when he had. If Alan Watt wants to be a bitter rebel, fine, but the attacks are childish and unfounded.

And Chris White is an agent, anyone with 2 brain cells can figure that out.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Dadrious

Uh, yes he has. I've heard him, in his own voice, attack people. Michael Tsarion actually called him out on it and he backed down, blatantly lying saying he never said anything bad about him when he had. If Alan Watt wants to be a bitter rebel, fine, but the attacks are childish and unfounded.

And Chris White is an agent, anyone with 2 brain cells can figure that out.

Tarot Card Tsarion has no credibility to be calling out anyone in the first place heh

Alan has never attacked, he has only mentioned how tsarion/icke and crew tried to buy him off and try to get him to lie etc. when he's been asked about it by hosts/callers. What , he Alan suppose to lie to his callers? It's very important to expose these new age gurus and counter intelligence that is discrediting and hiding the real truths. I have never even heard Alan raise his voice ha, he does not attack by any stretch of the imagination. Tsarion is the one who's been called out time and time again and acts in such a childish manner, slinging insults and swears, yelling and screaming like a baby, tell tale signs of a pyschopath. His very manner in which he conducts himself says alot. He puts out some truth, I'll admit, but he sure leads it off into outterspace to discredit it pretty good, from tarot cards, to ancient reptilian alien bloodlines or what not, he takes you around the block, that's for sure.

And I'm not defending Chris White in the least. I don't know if he's an 'agent' so much as just misguided and misdirected because of his religious beliefs, but who knows for sure.

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by Doom

Tarot Card Tsarion has no credibility to be calling out anyone in the first place heh

Alan has never attacked, he has only mentioned how tsarion/icke and crew tried to buy him off and try to get him to lie etc. when he's been asked about it by hosts/callers. What , he Alan suppose to lie to his callers? It's very important to expose these new age gurus and counter intelligence that is discrediting and hiding the real truths. I have never even heard Alan raise his voice ha, he does not attack by any stretch of the imagination. Tsarion is the one who's been called out time and time again and acts in such a childish manner, slinging insults and swears, yelling and screaming like a baby, tell tale signs of a pyschopath. His very manner in which he conducts himself says alot. He puts out some truth, I'll admit, but he sure leads it off into outterspace to discredit it pretty good, from tarot cards, to ancient reptilian alien bloodlines or what not, he takes you around the block, that's for sure.

And I'm not defending Chris White in the least. I don't know if he's an 'agent' so much as just misguided and misdirected because of his religious beliefs, but who knows for sure.

I wrote something longer...but then I realized it's pointless and almost shameful. So I started laughing about it...at the end of the day it's all looking pretty pointless. Might as well find some amusement in it? If you really look into these researchers and their kind...you may find...


Michael Tsarion is a raging heathen.

Chris White is a disgruntled altar boy

Alan Watt is bitter and broke.

David Icke is too high to notice.

Eric John Phelps is a zionist agent.

Jordan Maxwell decided to throw in with the big boys down at the lodge.

Alex Jones is a CIA agent.

Bill Deagle is just a fear mongering lunatic.

...is it true about them? Is it worse? Maybe? So why not be your own researcher...and why not acknowledge these people as humans like us? A human will never, ever know the whole truth. It is not possible. Mistakes will be made ... a little "fact" may be missed during research which could bring up a whole new theory to ponder. Somebody else may find that missed fact, and thus we have two conflicting theories. Must there be a battle over it? Maybe all these above mentioned fellows and many others are honest truth seekers?

I don't know, the only thing I know is that I do not wish to continue being guilty of such pointless battling. It may send me down a road where one day I would take precious time out of my short life here to make a "documentary film", simply to attack a man. A man who may in truth turn out to have been an honest truth seeker simply trying to make sense of this god forsaken mess of a world we live in.

Best Wishes.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Dadrious

I wrote something longer...but then I realized it's pointless and almost shameful. So I started laughing about it...at the end of the day it's all looking pretty pointless. Might as well find some amusement in it? If you really look into these researchers and their kind...you may find...


Michael Tsarion is a raging heathen.

Chris White is a disgruntled altar boy

Alan Watt is bitter and broke.

David Icke is too high to notice.

Eric John Phelps is a zionist agent.

Jordan Maxwell decided to throw in with the big boys down at the lodge.

Alex Jones is a CIA agent.

Bill Deagle is just a fear mongering lunatic.

...is it true about them? Is it worse? Maybe? So why not be your own researcher...and why not acknowledge these people as humans like us? A human will never, ever know the whole truth. It is not possible. Mistakes will be made ... a little "fact" may be missed during research which could bring up a whole new theory to ponder. Somebody else may find that missed fact, and thus we have two conflicting theories. Must there be a battle over it? Maybe all these above mentioned fellows and many others are honest truth seekers?

I don't know, the only thing I know is that I do not wish to continue being guilty of such pointless battling. It may send me down a road where one day I would take precious time out of my short life here to make a "documentary film", simply to attack a man. A man who may in truth turn out to have been an honest truth seeker simply trying to make sense of this god forsaken mess of a world we live in.

Best Wishes.

Oh well, i pretty much agree, I mean, that's exactly what we need to be doing is cutting out the middle men and researching everything ourselves, going straight to the libraries to get the real books written by the real big players and big organizations that run the world, and make our own minds up on whats being done. I find Alan to be one of the only genuine researchers, but that is only my opinion. Though I certainly don't take his word on anything without looking things up for myself.

heh and about Alan being 'bitter and broke'. He sure is broke by the sounds of it, living out in the boonies in the forest, and having a hard time with fraudsters stealing income from him etc. He is also bitter about some things sometimes - but he has a rite to, because so many of these fraudsters are making a living off his material while he struggles to survive.
But also, in a sense he's not really bitter at all, he has hope, if he didn't he wouldnt be doing what he is doing. It sounds quite gloom and doom sometimes, but you can't fix something without knowing first how bad it is and what needs to be fixed. We can't ignore the negative and hope it just goes away.

And I would also like to mention that even with counter-intelligence and the new age, and all these guys spinning the truths, and all these guys like Alex Jones, Tsarion, Icke, etc. they can be a double edged sword and do some good too. Because perhaps it still gets some to at least start to ask questions. The thing is it's up to those people to not follow the pied pipers just because they told them about it first and got them thinking. The people must then take it upon themselves to find the answers and solutions, not expect and wait for these gurus and leaders to tell us what to do.

And alike you, I also disagree with the idea of this type of documentary film. I am no fan of Chris White. There's a difference between some of the legitimate expose' of sitchin out there and the junk Chris White puts out. It mixes eveyrthing up, because there are some truths, but obviously completely misguided by religion, but then Maxwell also has some truths, but then spins it and discredits it as well. So this does exactly what you said gets people in pointless battles. Saying this person is correct vs that person is correct. And that is useless because it never is like that, the answer is always grey, not back and white.

[milk and honey]

Fine sentiments there Dadrious. If only the world were just like you hope.

Unfortunately there are wolves in sheeps clothing among the 'truthseekers'. Exposing their follies and even their motive when it is clear (sometimes it is clear) is not "attacking" them. It is defending yourself and others from their attacks. Free speech allows all- comers to the podium and that's ok.

Chris White is definately not an agent IMO. In part he is misguided but he is not attacking Maxwell by calling him out publically. It's just a public version of what - necessarilly at times - we do here behind forum handles.

All of those people you listed are emphasising how everything is linked behind the scenes and they all encourage us to see those links and to research them for ourselves. Good. Then it is just as legitimate for us to ask ourselves how they are linked into that picture. They should welcome that scrutiny from 'free thinkers' which, ostensibly, they encourage us to be.

Are some or all of them agents of the powers they rail against? Listen to pro and con (oops) and decide what is true for yourself. The type of semi - public discussion that we're having here is not a waste of our precious time. It's essential IMO.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

Fine sentiments there Dadrious. If only the world were just like you hope.

Unfortunately there are wolves in sheeps clothing among the 'truthseekers'. Exposing their follies and even their motive when it is clear (sometimes it is clear) is not "attacking" them. It is defending yourself and others from their attacks. Free speech allows all- comers to the podium and that's ok.

Chris White is definately not an agent IMO. In part he is misguided but he is not attacking Maxwell by calling him out publically. It's just a public version of what - necessarilly at times - we do here behind forum handles.

All of those people you listed are emphasising how everything is linked behind the scenes and they all encourage us to see those links and to research them for ourselves. Good. Then it is just as legitimate for us to ask ourselves how they are linked into that picture. They should welcome that scrutiny from 'free thinkers' which, ostensibly, they encourage us to be.

Are some or all of them agents of the powers they rail against? Listen to pro and con (oops) and decide what is true for yourself. The type of semi - public discussion that we're having here is not a waste of our precious time. It's essential IMO.

[GoingToFast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0DAwy0-xM