What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")

[Metaphor]

Originally Posted by Sanat

You are always free to percieve things as you want of course. Personally I would recommend gratitude for being allowed this opportunity to work on yourself at this time. Probably a lot of discarnate Beings that would have loved to be in that spot right now.

First of all, this is kindergarten and not high shcool. Those that do not "graduate" will not be set back by it at all. Quite the contrary. Everyone benefits greatly from being here at this time, even if they don't "graduate". Those that will have to go another round in "kindergarten" will start out where we left off here. It will simply be like "nothing happened" in many ways. Except for a vague remembrance of a "mystical experience" that further motivates each in the search. So if there is no Harvest or if there indeed is a Harvest does not make any "negative" difference for anyone. It's a win win situation really. Look at it this way:

If there indeed is a Harvest it means that those that have gotten their act together in spite of all the difficulties will no longer have to mingle with those that do not take responsability for themselves. This seems fair to me at least. If there is a Harvest it makes no difference for all those that have not "gotten their act together" (other than a positive "mystical experience" which will motivate some to start working on themselves). They will simply continue where they left off here. It is not a "return to the stone ages" or anything like that. It's a continuation. Everyone gains from this. The Universe may seem unfair in the short run (human 3rd density perception), but is always 100% fair in the long run.

It's always (in each life) possible to graduate out of 3rd density for the individual, and there are shorter cycles within the larger ones also. So one will not necessarily have to go through another 25 000 years in 3rd density. That is totally up to each individual him/her self. If the 2012 Harvest is "real" then it is "promoted" from Source itself. And since so many evolved and good people seem to be "into this" all over the world I will leave you to your own conclusions on that one.

If you don't want to read all the posts I have tried to sum it all up in an article you can read here: http://www.wakeupcall2012.com/messages.html

In Gratitude,

Sanat

Thanks for your reply Sanat, you have made your point clear enough.

The reason behind my objections regarding this matter is because more incarnations in this place scares the **** out of me.
I feel like being imprisoned in a dark cave, and suddenly someone says: "not even death will get you out of here, you will always come back again and agin."
So this really troubles me. Since I started my search on the net for sources that would resonate with my inner feelings, I feel that it truly is like digging for diamonds in a minefield (I read that early on at Tom Montalks site and wondered what experiences made him say that, now I understand it fully)

I just want to break free from the wheel and decide for myself where to go. Dont wanna play more spiritual versions of "who wants to be a millionare"

You are probably very correct in your description of the coming events.
I just feel reluctant to participate.
So, no I am not grateful. For being here? Why? I spend my days in the wheel working for money so we can have somewhere to live and feed my 2 kids. There is not much time for meditating or growing on a enlightenment scale. Everything is done with a very thight schedule and the calender is full of events and things to care for. You perhaps can imagine then that the news of that the spiritual world also has a calender, and it is almost running out of free appointments.

I hope you take no offense in this. I am just trying to put words on the feelings I have. I truly feel that you are at peace with this and I wish you good luck in your endeveors.

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by Metaphor

Thanks for your reply Sanat, you have made your point clear enough.

The reason behind my objections regarding this matter is because more incarnations in this place scares the **** out of me.
I feel like being imprisoned in a dark cave, and suddenly someone says: "not even death will get you out of here, you will always come back again and agin."
So this really troubles me. Since I started my search on the net for sources that would resonate with my inner feelings, I feel that it truly is like digging for diamonds in a minefield (I read that early on at Tom Montalks site and wondered what experiences made him say that, now I understand it fully)

I just want to break free from the wheel and decide for myself where to go. Dont wanna play more spiritual versions of "who wants to be a millionare"

You are probably very correct in your description of the coming events.
I just feel reluctant to participate.
So, no I am not grateful. For being here? Why? I spend my days in the wheel working for money so we can have somewhere to live and feed my 2 kids. There is not much time for meditating or growing on a enlightenment scale. Everything is done with a very thight schedule and the calender is full of events and things to care for. You perhaps can imagine then that the news of that the spiritual world also has a calender, and it is almost running out of free appointments.

I hope you take no offense in this. I am just trying to put words on the feelings I have. I truly feel that you are at peace with this and I wish you good luck in your endeveors.

No offense taken, my friend. I can understand your frustration. This is a pretty rough "kindergarten" after all... It is a dark cave indeed (like Plato's cave Allegory). I cannot tell anyone what they should do. But negativity and frustration is usually there to tell us something. It can be a catalyst for us to change. Sometimes these changes are so fundamental and so contrary to the life-pattern we have established that we do not dare to even consider them. Even so, they are necassary to unload our burden. I speak only from my own experience here.

I would suggest a few things for you to consider:

1) Spend more alone time with yourself. Go for walks or whatever. Allow things to surface and don't judge what comes up during these times. (make time if you do not have it by making changes. No excuse is really good enough if you really want something).

2) Start paying more attention to dreams. Try to remember them in the morning and reflect on them. This strenghtens the connection and opens up for repressed things to surface more.

It is exactly like digging for diamonds in a minefield. Even a metal detector won't help you find them. It will only find the mines. I am not saying you are not grateful. How would I know? hehe. Change is not easy once you have established a certain pattern. The question is: What do you really want with life, and how bad do you want it? (don't answer me this, but rather consider it for yourself). Only you can know if you are on the right path or if change is necassary. Spending quality time alone is important either way in my opinion. Making space for oneself to grow in. No one said it would be easy, but I think they fooled us into it by saying that it would be worth it in the end...

Ps. No need to worry about 2012 and the Harvest etc. All will go where they are supposed to. There is not really a big difference if there is a Harvest or not remember? Each life is an opportunity to evolve out of this density. You need not wait for another harvest. (Feel free to PM me in case your response is not "relevant" to this thread or if there is anything else at all).

Keep up the good Spirit! We are all in this together

Love and Gratitude,

Sanat