Illuminati Reveal Crazy Apocalyptic Agenda:hidden hand dissection.

[milk and honey]

What gets me is just how elaborate and pervasive the plot really is. I've had my say about James' 'wingmakers' and others i see as the enemies of humanity (no less) but the 'Law of One' material from the "Ra" entity is right in there with them.

Henry Makow regards "Hidden Hand" as "credible but insane". Agreed. Credible insofar as he is in the camp of the liar and the lie. To me, the thing that stands out the most in the above article is that the "Ra" material was obviously tailor made by the same forces that inspire "Hidden Hand". You can see what marvelous use is being made of the "Ra" material to justify the rubbish being sold in the Q + A.

I've left the following link in several places here at Avalon over the past 3 months but i doubt a soul has yet read it. Here it is again for anyone who may have missed the scholarly article written by Cayce researcher William Hutton who reviews Wynn Free and David Wilcock's book : "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce". Hutton convincingly rejects Wilcock's claim that the 'Ra' referred to in the Cayce readings is in any way associated with the more recent "Ra material" channelled by Don Elkins and others including Wilcock himself.

Read it here: http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/ar...y=6&article=81

[islandman]

"I treat those who are good with goodness,
And I also treat those who are not good with goodness,
Thus goodness is attained.(Lao Tse 604 - 531 BC)


"Whether it is big or small, many or few, repay hatred with virtue." (Lao Tse 604 - 531 BC)

[peaceandlove]

Originally Posted by islandman

"i treat those who are good with goodness,
and i also treat those who are not good with goodness,
thus goodness is attained.(lao tse 604 - 531 bc)


"whether it is big or small, many or few, repay hatred with virtue." (lao tse 604 - 531 bc)

Thank You!

[Czymra]

Wow, that's heavy stuff. Again I wonder what the difference between positivity and non-duality REALLY is. I am also reassured to find the same characters responding to this thread. Hello again.

I'll gladly follow this along for a while but sadly don't feel like I can contribute any discernment value. Can any of you pin down what these intricate lies boil down to? It can't be passivity as this is clearly stated but I can't see the forest for its trees here.

[Humble Janitor]

I have to admit that I'm confused so until I can make sense of the 2012 stuff, I will refrain from absorbing any more of it.

[IndigoChild1986]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I have to admit that I'm confused so until I can make sense of the 2012 stuff, I will refrain from absorbing any more of it.

lets meet up all together and meditate for the positive

[IndigoChild1986]

Hip-Hop & the Illuminati New Age Agenda pt.1/3>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW1YReq7KsQ

This video examines the various agendas that are CURRENTLY being pushed through Hip Hop and the direction they are moving us in.
Secular New Age and Military Draft.

This work is a mixture of conversations from Alan Watt, Tupac Shakur & “Gwapo’s” weekly Radio Show.

Masonic references in music:
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/music.html

Alan Watts site: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

Gwapo’s Radio Show:
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Gwapo360’s Channel:
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[Ross H]

Ive read all the 66 pages of the hidden hand threads, along with countless other books ect...after years of research, dwelving into all kinds of info...my take on it all, is this: Its all about experiencing. Not a question of whats right and wrong but more a question of examining ones experiences and figuring out 'what serves you best'...everything we think, do , act upon, resonates through the emotion one feels, this is the key in my opinion. What resonates the best for me is simply this: All one has to do is to be of love and value to all. that simple. Its all we have control over. nothing more.

Peace

[Phtha]

My opinion, Theres lots of positive stuff to take from both the hidden hand posts and the Ra materials.
I'm sure we have all heard the saying: "There is nothing to fear besides fear itself". I'm still grasping the depth of this profound concept, but I am sure it is true.

Reality really is nothing but vibration. Hitler and the Nazis proved it in the past, and many others throughout history right up to the US army, are able to make mass amounts of people commit atrocities, simply by creating strong vibrations of thought and feelings in the ether that ensnarl those that do not understand the mind, or that identify themselves with their minds. Usually its done with strong fear vibrations. I'm sure many of the Nazi soldiers would never have guessed that they could do some of the things that did before they were caught up in the vibrations created by Hitler and co.

It's the same thing with hidden_hand, the illuminati and others, they are all ensarled with thought vibrations and unable to see beyond.

There is limitless possibilities for all of us, as long as we keep our inner self sovereign from attacks. I truly believe that nothing can harm the sovereign mind, body, and spirit. So really there is nothing to fear if you don't allow yourself to experience fear.
And hidden_hand was right, all the iniquity we see today is because of ourselves. Sure the illuminati or whoever else created the evil vibrations in our ether, which we recieve, but we are the ones who are doing the evil for them. We have the power to simply say "no thanks."

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Phtha

My opinion, Theres lots of positive stuff to take from both the hidden hand posts and the Ra materials.
I'm sure we have all heard the saying: "There is nothing to fear besides fear itself". I'm still grasping the depth of this profound concept, but I am sure it is true.

Reality really is nothing but vibration. Hitler and the Nazis proved it in the past, and many others throughout history right up to the US army, are able to make mass amounts of people commit atrocities, simply by creating strong vibrations of thought and feelings in the ether that ensnarl those that do not understand the mind, or that identify themselves with their minds. Usually its done with strong fear vibrations. I'm sure many of the Nazi soldiers would never have guessed that they could do some of the things that did before they were caught up in the vibrations created by Hitler and co.

It's the same thing with hidden_hand, the illuminati and others, they are all ensarled with thought vibrations and unable to see beyond.

There is limitless possibilities for all of us, as long as we keep our inner self sovereign from attacks. I truly believe that nothing can harm the sovereign mind, body, and spirit. So really there is nothing to fear if you don't allow yourself to experience fear.
And hidden_hand was right, all the iniquity we see today is because of ourselves. Sure the illuminati or whoever else created the evil vibrations in our ether, which we recieve, but we are the ones who are doing the evil for them. We have the power to simply say "no thanks."

thanks milk and honey, ....yes, i think the RA material and Wilcock, and wingmakers' material is just to mislead all of us in accepting the "good" of what the illuminati want to do w us.... very slick indeed, but i just don't buy it...to justify pure evil!

it's time to just ignore, not to pay ANY attention to THEM and be NON-COMPLIANT.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by dolphin

thanks milk and honey, ....yes, i think the RA material and Wilcock, and wingmakers' material is just to mislead all of us in accepting the "good" of what the illuminati want to do w us.... very slick indeed, but i just don't buy it...to justify pure evil!

it's time to just ignore, not to pay ANY attention to THEM and be NON-COMPLIANT.

Did you by any chance read the Ra material - or any part of it in fact? If you did, then which part of it do you have an issue with? Which part of it tells you to accept things and be compliant?

Compliance is exactly what the HH material doesn't recommend. Nor does Mr Wilcock or anything written in the Law of One.

Your advice to ignore things sounds more like the spectre of the illuminati that you are projecting on the material you referred to. This sends me very mixed messages.

A..

[milk and honey]

Thanks Josefine, glad the link was useful. I liked your description of the real path too.

Originally Posted by Czymra

Wow, that's heavy stuff. Again I wonder what the difference between positivity and non-duality REALLY is. I am also reassured to find the same characters responding to this thread. Hello again.

This question is one that is very difficult to illuminate with words because in the realm of duality everything can be argued against with the same words. I don't say therefore that words are useless. Just that some questions are more amenable to them than this one.

First consider that everything that appears in the material plane appears as a polarity of duality. I don't say that it is, but that it appears to be a polarity of duality. That is, some manifestations are really the expression of the mind of Christ but the dualistic mind (or the mind of anti-christ) may judge them to be bad, unhelpful, threatening or dangerous. Actions can be percieved according to the standards of the dualistic POV as 'bad' or 'good' regardless of the impulsive origin of the action itself. Given that the dualistic mind has it's own set of standards it can percieve it's own delusions as 'good' and it can percieve the activity of the mind of Christ as 'bad'. It's judgements are totally arbitrary and in accord with societal norms, personal habit and the exigencies of self interest.

So the first thing to say about this tendency is that the outer-mind creates it's own standards based soley on the self-preservation of it's own dualistic POV. The second thing is that the reality of the mind of Christ is the only level of consciousness capable of percieving itself and therefore the illusion of the dualistic mind. The Christ mind IS. The dualistic mind thinks it is but can be proven - by the Christ mind - that it isnt. That's a good one. What i'm saying really is that a simple denial of duality by the outer mind does not prove that All is One. If we are to know Oneness then the Christ mind must transmute the dualistic mind.

Obviously, given the limitation of words and the dualistic mind, it could be asserted that i'm perpetuating notions of duality myself by using dualistic language, for example the "mind of Christ" and the "mind of anti-christ". That is why words are limited because the mind of Christ is not merely an opposite polarity of the dualistic mind. The vibration and intelligence of the Christ mind is above and beyond the arbitrary oppositional perspectives of the dualistic mind. It IS what it IS. I allow to call it "positive" without being 'accused' of dualistic thinking, so long as i explain what i mean... say ... in making the distinction between IT and the "negative" dualistic mind. The fact is, there is a vibrational demarcation between the inner mind of Christ and the dualistic polarities of the outer mind. It is condescension to refuse all descriptive terms on the grounds that 'All is One'. To that i would say, prove it. To do so, one must consciously realise the Christ mind. It is attained by degrees as the illusions of the dualistic mind are seen through and transmuted.

Would the same 'accusation' stand (of perpetuating separation) if i used the words "real" and "unreal" instead?, or "union" and "separation"?, or "harmony" and "discord"?, or "reality" and "illusion"?. It probably would but from the perspective of the soul aspiring to Oneness it would be no more valid because in a dualistic world the work of discernment can't be overlooked or avoided by claims that 'All is One'. It can't be an excuse to tolerate the darkness within on the pretext of maintaining balance. Balance is found only at the center. Only personal experience of the mind of Christ can define the illusions of the mind of anti-christ within and without and transform them. From that real POV in the heart of Self one percieves the illusion of the dualistic mind at the periphery of self. It is the beginning of wisdom as the soul begins to separate itself from the matrix of illusion. In the process, the tares of consciousness are separated from the wheat.

This is what i tried to point out to ENdJOY on a 'wingmakesr' thread; that the darker "negative" aspects of the psyche need to be transmuted. But he insisted that this was unnecessary because "All is One". He countered that i was merely asserting a personal value judgement about those "negative aspects" of the psyche (of hatred, fear, envy, etc) rather than a scientific statement of the law of harmony and vibration as a prerequisite to the full indwelling of spirit in the human instrument. Without the vibrational transformation of consciousness there is no conscious Oneness with Christ and no ascension of the soul. That's easy, just deny the necessity of vibrational self transformation and dismiss the reality of ascension as an archaic misapprehension by nitwits. I only mention my exchange with ENdJOY to point out that the necessity to use terms of vibrational distinction (negative/positive, dark/light, etc) is too easily dismissed as "ignorant dualism". This is how easily truth can be dismissed. Either by the denial of language as a necessity to define essential choices, the denial of the law of harmony itself or by the assertion that the STS vibe will also get you where you need to go.

If spirit and matter are to be proven ONE through the heart of man and woman, some questions arise. In the outer world of self and environment, what is in vibrational alignment with inner reality? In the outer world, what is the product of the inner- Self? And what is the product of the oppositional mind of anti-christ? Both are manifested in personal consciousness and in the objective world but are considered oppositional only from the POV of the dualistic mind. The spiritual heart is the real judge of all that. It is qualified to define reality and the forces which oppose it because it percieves perfectly. Based on the rock of spiritual perception the Christ mind can act through the human instrument to form and reform worlds. It can act to align the outer worlds with inner reality. It simply IS and acts on divine impulse. Nothing outside of it (vibrationally) can define it.

[Czymra]

Dear Milk and Honey, I am truly and deeply humbled by this post.
You speak from within me with words and formations that are most unknown yet so understood (and this contradiction makes no sense to me).
This is well beyond any of the hair-splitting I've come across in ANY book, or any other source, be it Wingmakers or 'Zen literature', so far and it makes me shiver in a cold-warm sensation of awe and anticipation.
Thank you SO much for taking the time to explain.

Sincerely,
Czymra

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Dear Milk and Honey, I am truly and deeply humbled by this post.
You speak from within me with words and formations that are most unknown yet so understood (and this contradiction makes no sense to me).
This is well beyond any of the hair-splitting I've come across in ANY book, or any other source, be it Wingmakers or 'Zen literature', so far and it makes me shiver in a cold-warm sensation of awe and anticipation.
Thank you SO much for taking the time to explain.

Sincerely,
Czymra

Thankyou Czymra. There is no contradiction here really. The Christ within you knows these things and confirms truth by whispering in your soul. May it expand and purify the alloy of consciousness.

[KathyT]

For those coming to this thread and wanting to see the original collated text of the Hidden_Hand message... I have it here:

http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by islandman

"I treat those who are good with goodness,
And I also treat those who are not good with goodness,
Thus goodness is attained.(Lao Tse 604 - 531 BC)


"Whether it is big or small, many or few, repay hatred with virtue." (Lao Tse 604 - 531 BC)

Islandman,

The best reply to this hidden had stuff....I read it over several times, and your reply answers it all
Bravo

[dagon]

( It's time to admit that humanity is under constant stealth attack by a sadistic and dangerous Satanic cult. Obviously, it is well organized and funded and has subverted every institution. )

heavy shi%. no different than what we have been hearing. so let me get this straight. were going to fight this by turning our tvs off. and look for some kind of enlightenment. a higher frequency or vibration. basically turing the cheek. and trying to find the right information. spreading love and positive vibs. ok. Ill work on my negativity. but Im already there in spirit.

I keep thinking about kicking these guys out. like the french revolution. only not a bloody. so ok, back to meditation.

and with all the different information out there. which is the path? its all getting very complicated. they own everything. control even what we read. ect. who knows what the truth is. there is a guru on every corner, no wonder the masses don't want to look at this stuff. just let me go back to pay my mortgage and feed the kids. good grief. when somebody figures this all out. could you please shoot me a copy. LOL. Im on board. but this rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.



every religion is going to hell. accept ONE? what a mess. I feel so enlightened.

love to you all. is sarcasm humor negative? LOL..




happy new year!!!

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by dagon

1)(It's time to admit that humanity is under constant stealth attack by a sadistic and dangerous Satanic cult. Obviously, it is well organized and funded and has subverted every institution. )

2) I keep thinking about kicking these guys out. like the french revolution. only not a bloody. so ok, back to meditation.

3) every religion is going to hell. accept one? what a mess. I feel so enlightened.

4) love to you all. is sarcasm humor negative? LOL..

5) happy new year!!!

1) Yes, we are! Those who are attacking, feel superior to the rest of us. Some of them come from bloodline families that apply trauma based mind control to their young. The result is that they only reach an astral resting place in-between lives. They think this is the highest level. Systematically they are made slaves to this limited reality, that is all they can see. Maybe their leaders and instructors are off-planet or non-human entities with a limited plan of their own. Since they are slaves to this limited reality, they are panicking when humanity is about to wipe the sleep from their eyes. Then they apply more fear, horror and deception to us, as fear cuts us off from our highest level, which is spirit.
Some of them hope that the trauma we experience, will cut us off from spirit for a longer stretch, affecting more of our parallell lives. This is a possibility, and we can therefore say that this is 'the negative harvest' they are talking about.
(Some of what I have just said is hard to state unless one has accessed remote viewing, not necessaily my own.)

2. We ARE about to 'kick these guys out'. More and more of us are seeing the third density game for what it is! A shift in perception makes us see a higher level and we can see that we are not victims if we choose not to be. When we no longer play the game as victims, we literally withdraw power from their game, their power base weakens and crumbles. However, we are only kicking them out of their part of this addictive game, as we release ourselves from it. When we can do this without hating them or ourselves, we can see that we are truly one. This is how the release is total.

3. No religion or all religions may lead to a shift in perception. All religions started from a spiritual spark, a shift in perception on the part of the originator. But as soon as the originator is gone, people forget to listen within for their own truth, as there is always a direct connection to spirit, where we come from. Then religion becomes a tissue of empty words, as we are parroting someone elses interpretations. They become words piled on words. When we realize that a religion without words is the genuine thing, we become tolerant of any religion. When we are in touch with our genuine base through a shift in perception, we can live and let live.
All religions have people who are on a wordless path, just look for it. A loss of the fear of death and damnation is one of the strengths in this version of religion.

4. Sarcasm (not the kind that oozes of contempt) and humor is a quality straight from spirit! You will have noticed the inner smile on many Buddha figures? It could be from the latest joke he cracked up! So is dance, music, joy, play, empathy, curiosity. Enthusiasm literally means 'into God'. Our true frequency is vibrating with all these qualities. They are also antidotes to all the grusomeness that this age tries to heap up on us.

5. We will have a Happy New Year, no matter what it brings, once we have been touched by a gentle shift in perception!

Love you too!

J

[Carmen]

Josefine, what a beautiful intelligent enlightened reply. I just loved it. I loved your post also Dagon, I also felt confused to a degree. Our warrior spirit is sometimes at odds with the Love and Light bit!!! Josefines post just teased it all out and expained it beautifully.

Thank you

A lot of good responses in this thread.

Just to be clear, I am not attacking the Ra material in any way, only the way in which Hidden Hand has attempted to use it to justify the attrocities the Illuminati have perpetrated throughout known history.

The best way to sell a lie is to hide it within truth, and that's what I feel is happening here.

I wonder if Hidden Hand actually believes what he's saying or whether he's operating from a script. I tend to think he genuinely believes it, but all that indicates to me is just how effective brainwashing from birth can be.

Moreover, I think the Illuminati NEED to believe it: the desperate belief they are working for the greater good is the only psychological defense they have against the human consequence of their actions. A lot of people have stated that the elite don't have the same qualities of empathy and compassion that the rest of us have but I don't believe that; I believe deep down they are fully aware of what they have become and are acreaming in horror.

They need our love and compassion, even as we stand against them.

[Humble Janitor]

If they are working for the "greater good", whose greater good? That of their handlers or that of the people they oppress?

I refuse to believe that it's the latter because they are systematically poisoning people and destroying everything that humankind has worked for in their foolish pursuit of total control (which by the way, they will never have!).

[NeoEmc2]

Originally Posted by Steve_G

A lot of good responses in this thread.

Just to be clear, I am not attacking the Ra material in any way, only the way in which Hidden Hand has attempted to use it to justify the attrocities the Illuminati have perpetrated throughout known history.

The best way to sell a lie is to hide it within truth, and that's what I feel is happening here.

I wonder if Hidden Hand actually believes what he's saying or whether he's operating from a script. I tend to think he genuinely believes it, but all that indicates to me is just how effective brainwashing from birth can be.

Moreover, I think the Illuminati NEED to believe it: the desperate belief they are working for the greater good is the only psychological defense they have against the human consequence of their actions. A lot of people have stated that the elite don't have the same qualities of empathy and compassion that the rest of us have but I don't believe that; I believe deep down they are fully aware of what they have become and are acreaming in horror.

They need our love and compassion, even as we stand against them.

I agree with this.

I think anyone who believes in the hidden hand stuff needs to rethink it because it is actually meant to confuse you. Hidden hand has gotten the Law of One material and twisted it around to make you believe their nonsense. If you really want to be blown away by some amazing information just read the Law of One. You will be astounded by the awesome information Ra provides that is NEVER negative in any way and no once in the entire series of five books is there any mention of hidden hand.

Hidden hand is a trickster and you are all falling for it. Educate yourself better with the Ra material and you will be in a better place of understanding.

Peace

[Jonathon]

Originally Posted by NeoEmc2

I agree with this.

I think anyone who believes in the hidden hand stuff needs to rethink it because it is actually meant to confuse you. Hidden hand has gotten the Law of One material and twisted it around to make you believe their nonsense. If you really want to be blown away by some amazing information just read the Law of One. You will be astounded by the awesome information Ra provides that is NEVER negative in any way and no once in the entire series of five books is there any mention of hidden hand.

Hidden hand is a trickster and you are all falling for it. Educate yourself better with the Ra material and you will be in a better place of understanding.

Peace

Hi Neo - which part is HH twisting around? I must be missing it. Appears to correlate near precisely. The Law is One. All paths lead to Oneness. Negatively polarized entities of higher densities assist the negative harvest while higher density Positively polarized entities assist the positive harvest. Polarization is the name of the game. The benefit of polarization is catalyst. The greater the polarization or catalyst, the greater the choices available for individuals and the greater the spiritual learning/development (which is the whole point). Provision of negative catalyst is equal to positive catalyst in this system (with regard to benefit, necessity and value of service) and the negative path is just as valid as the positive path for returning to oneness (although certainly not the path that works for most of us... myself included).

There are a lot of attackers in this thread. I would caution you all to be careful, for it is obvious you are passing judgment on something you do not understand. That's ego choosing sides due to perception of threat, which is a fear reaction. Fear is the mind killer (so says Frank Herbert) and shuts down your energy centers. Love and wisdom come from understanding. Therefore it is important to make a patient effort to understand and see the love in everything - for there is only love. It's the divine plan.

Peace.

P.S. Let me add this link from LLResearch, which is session #67/Book 3 Law of One which may assist in understanding some of these concepts of polarization and service: LINK HERE

[Carol]

I did listen to David channeling the RA material and all I have to say is that it is no different then many others who channeled, including myself many years ago, and I don't trust any of it.

If he were to say this is being channeled from my higher consciousness, then yes. But to attribute it to another disembodied entity and to turn over ones consciousness to something else is just plain dangerous. Even Raylyn of Rumer Mill News thought she was channeling in higher beings messages for years only to discover later she had been a victim of miltiary mind control experiments.

Channeling may start out okay - but there are deeper questions which must be addressed and those pertain to individual soverignty and the role human consciousness must play in its own spiritual development. Another question that pops to mind is ego... and how many channelers are just channeling unconscious material from an ego driven desire to be special. Is that information to be trusted?

Perhaps because I'm ancient and have seen this for so many years close up and personal my opinion may not fit with others here. However, if someone tells me channeling is involved - my interest just turns off.

[Jonathon]

Actually Carol, Ra IS David's higher self. He has mentioned this many times.