God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, Amen Ra, Hathor, Abraxasinas, Thubans,

[orthodoxymoron]

The following section of the Urantia Book really got my attention:

054:1 TRUE AND FALSE LIBERTY http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

54:1.1 Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
54:1.2 True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity.
54:1.3 Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations.
54:1.4 Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships.
54:1.5 Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.
54:1.6 True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings.
54:1.7 Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.
54:1.8 There is no error greater than that species of self-deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these persons of their natural liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against all such fraud, unfairness, selfishness, and unrighteousness. Only true and genuine liberty is compatible with the reign of love and the ministry of mercy.
54:1.9 How dare the self-willed creature encroach upon the rights of his fellows in the name of personal liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the universe stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of will and potentials of personality! No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.
54:1.10 Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute.

[orthodoxymoron]

Can anyone tell me what's with the Draconians? What exactly is their problem? What the hell do they want with us? What would it take to convince them to leave us alone? If they backed-off...would those who are between them and the average person...back-off as well? Are there dark beings who give the Dracs orders? Why can't the whole G** D*** Universe make Constitutional Responsible Freedom the Modus Operandi? There seems to be an infinite amount of power struggling, arrogant heirarchies, advanced technology, horrible cruelty, etc, etc. Most people try to do the right thing and try to be happy...but it seems that unseen forces are opposing them every step of the way...and then accusing the well meaning people of being stupid sinners, etc, etc. Are we in the middle of a hopeless situation...or what? Do all theocracies...throughout the universe...need to be abolished? Does the Universal Church need to be disbanded? Does absolute power corrupt even the most advanced beings...absolutely? I continue to think that we don't need better rulers...we need no rulers. The beings of the universe need to rule themselves under the banner and discipline of Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Could these three words be a New Trinity? I'm thrashing about in a blasphemous existential quagmire of concupiscence...which is undoubtedly anathema. I don't know what the hell that means...but it sounds cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LCWK...relatedYouTube - Aliens - 5 - The Draco Reptilian

[orthodoxymoron]

Perhaps the deception continues after we die. I don't believe in a literal heaven or hell...but who knows what we may experience or be confronted with when we die. I just think we should reasonably question everything. And I mean everything.

There is a lot of good...and a lot of love. But I'm seeing a lot of lies glossing over what's really going on. I'm presently speculating that there has been (and continues to be) a massive power struggle involving various factions of humans and non-humans. I tend to think that the original genuine Creator God is somehow removed from the picture (no details or proof)...and that to fill the vaccum we have wannabe gods playing god. The bad-guys presently seem to have the upper-hand. I'm thinking we are renegade Pleiadians who jumped out of the frying pan...and into the fire. Perhaps we are seeking freedom in a very tyrannical universe. Perhaps we are a threat to the universal order. I really don't know. A study of true and false freedom is probably a very important study to engage in. There is an excellent treatment of this subject in the Urantia Book (chapter 53 or 54). These chapters are quite interesting. Once again...I don't know what's really true...and what's total bs. I'm just dealing in possibilities and probabilities.

I wonder what it would be like to be hooked up to a black budget virtual reality machine which was connected to a supercomputer containing soul memories. Or could an entity (good or evil) superimpose it's imagination upon our imagination to create a seemingly real life experience. Is this the essense of regression hypnosis? Are people really reliving their past lives...or is this yet another deception? All of this seems to be very tricky. I like to evaluate other people's experiences...rather than seeking exotic experiences and encounters. I tend to think all of this is potentially very dangerous.

I'm still waiting for a somewhat detailed analysis of this thread. We're all so busy...and at first glance...the subject of the thread seems boring. Well...maybe it is boring.

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is a comment which I posted on another thread which is relevant to this thread:

I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one namaste constitutional responsible freedom faction.

Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?

[Myra]

Fascinating post orthodoxymoron, I haven't the time to read it all now but I will get right back to it. You may be on to something...

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Myra. This is mostly speculation. I don't like completely off the wall science fiction. I don't like dry and boring history books. I do like to see and hear what other people are thinking and doing...and then I like to speculate and extrapolate based upon their work. I try to make it clear that these are simply possibilities and probabilities. It's sort of fun...but sort of scary too. Some of this stuff is heavy...and undoubtedly steps on lots and lots of toes...including my own. I feel very uncomfortable with a lot of this. In most cases...I hope I'm wrong.

[orthodoxymoron]

firefly...there were some good thoughts and concepts in the videos. But how do we know this message is from a Pleiadian? But perhaps we're all Pleiadians. I could probably write something...record it...and claim that I was an ET from the Planet BS. A lot of people would probably believe me...but it would be a lie. I just treat all information as possibly true...especially the fringe info. I think that Constructive Competition is a good thing...and that it is essential to a free and open society. Also...a belief system isn't necessarily BS. Preachers and Politicians don't always lie...just most of the time!

I'd still like to hear an evaluation of the first post...positive or negative. Is the God concept a valid and healthy one? Or...is it inherently corrupt and tyrannical? Theological issues are so knee-jerk and emotionally charged...that I guess most people don't want to get involved...unless they have a nit to pick or and axe to grind. I just feel like we're missing the real meat of the subject of our past, present, and future...especially regarding ET's, Gods, Rulers, etc. I suspect that we are going to have to learn the hard way. Jordan Maxwell might be right about the future. I hope not...but I really see what he means.

One other thing...in the following video...which I have previously posted...is there something good and something not so good about each character? What would an ideal human look and act like? Should we strive to be better people...every day and in every way? I'm thinking we need to work toward a Perfected Humanity and a Perfected Solar System. This may be all the God and Heaven we get. I don't mean to be negative or faith-destroying...but I do wish to be honest and realistic. Lies haven't worked for thousands or millions of years. Why should we expect them to work now? I think we need to take off the gloves...and really dig for truth and goodness. I think it's going to take a lot of work and pain. This thread probably ventures where angels fear to tread...but I thought it was necessary. I envisioned extensive discussions...and conflicting concepts...but so far very few people have taken the bait. Perhaps it's just as well. In the video...I'm seeing Reptilian/Human vs Human. Who is Satan...really? Who is Lucifer...really? Who is God...really? Who is Jesus...really? Are they all Pleiadian Human and/or Draconian Reptilian? Think about it. I'm not talking about the Creator/Intelligent Designer who I think was instrumental in our original creation/evolution. I'm talking about the ones we're dealing with here and now...in this Solar System. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTb...next=1YouTube- The Temptation of Jesus by the Devil in the Wilderness

[orthodoxymoron]

Were Giza Intelligence the real 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'? Were the World Wars really Zionism vs Teutonic Zionism? Was Indiana Jones an Andromedan Sympathizer? Please, please, please watch these videos repeatedly...then face yourself...and think and think and think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YXw7...elatedYouTube- Raiders of the Lost Ark - Theatrical Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccIYouTube- Teutonic Zionism

[Ravens and Doves]

God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Booda, crishna crackers...

They're a knockie,
You're a knockie
Am a knockie
(wanna cookie?)

UFO, CIA, NRO, MI6, NSA, Leo What's-his-name

(clips of every TV show about every alien and
conspiracy every broadcast)

2012?

2013?

2014?

End of The World?

End of the Moon?

Swamp gas (two cups), weather balloon (one teaspoon), sleep paralysis (one cup, mix well). Disgard after baking and tasting.

Write 10 books... Be interviewed on History Channel.

Kill youself.

Rise from the dead.... write NDE book about not killing one's self (best seller).

Grow a large forehead (easy... loose hair).

Create another Universe to do it all over again.

Post to Project Avalon with the answer the the ultimate question of life the universe and everything (still 42... such big answers don't change too quickly, unless they become religions - then they never change.)

turn off computer.

sleep

paul

[orthodoxymoron]

I don't know what you're smoking Paul...but I want some.Perhaps it's just the smog...or maybe the chem-trails.

Someone please consider seriously commenting on the editorial content of this thread. I am doing some soul-searching regarding 'Lucifer', 'The God of This World', 'Fallen Angels', 'Demons', 'God the Father', 'Jesus', 'Satan', 'The Holy Spirit', 'Namaste', 'Seeing Christ in All Persons', 'The Divinity Within Humanity', etc. Definitions and word-studies are hugely important. I really think that the answers we need will be found in non-traditional, free-thinking theology...which reads more like science-fiction than a typical Sunday sermon.

What if the God who was instrumental in the creation/evolution of human beings (before this Earth even existed) became involved in a war with reptilian beings...and was imprisoned or killed? What if a horrible war of revenge resulted in the near extermination of the reptilian race? What if the souls of these reptilian beings lived on as interdimensional beings known as demons? What if these demons corrupted a Pleiadian Human into creating a Human/Reptilian Theocracy? What if a Human Musician named Lucifer (The Covering Cherub) rebelled against this theocracy...resulting in the 'War in Heaven'? What if Lucifer and a third of the Human 'Angels' were cast out of Heaven (The Pleiades?) and relocated in Aldebaran? What if Lucifer found that he or she had to do business with the Interdimensional Reptilians...resulting in an Aldebaran Theocracy? What if Lucifer and the Fallen Angels eventually ended up on Earth? What if all (or most) of us are these Fallen Angels? What if all of the ancient gods are Luciferian/Draconian or Luciferian/Annunaki? What if Lucifer really meant well and tried to do the right thing...but ended up being as bad or worse than what he or she rebelled against? What if the concept that 'Power Corrupts...and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely' is true...regardless of how well-intentioned or benevolent a being is? What if Jesus was representitive of the good-side of Lucifer...and representative of the original Creator-God...and the Divinity Within Humanity? What if Lucifer is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personality...who has been (and continues to be) a mixture of good and evil...and who has been (and continues to be) at least partially insane? What if Lucifer is the author of the words attributed to both God the Father and Jesus...in the Holy Bible...as well as being the one who most people think of as 'The Devil'? But what if 'The Devil' is the Draconian overlord to Lucifer? What if Lucifer: The God of This World answers to Lord Draco (or equivalent)?

Could there be a Theocratic Draconian Faction and a Non-Theocratic Draconian Faction? Could there be a Theocratic Human Faction and a Non-Theocratic Human Faction? Would it be helpful to look at universal history with this as a possibility? Would we discover the above proposition reduced to a Draconian/Human Theocracy vs a Draconian/Human Democracy?

I don't know about all of the above...but sorting this out might be incredibly complex. Many good guys and gals might turn out to be evil. Many bad guys and gals might turn out to be good. The basic concepts of Theology and Governance...Humans and Reptilians...Freedom and Tyranny...etc...should be studied in an open and honest manner. Possible scenarios...possibilities and probabilities...elaborations and extrapolations...etc...may yield many helpful insights. Don't take this post too seriously. It's just preliminary speculation. I don't wish to offend anyone. I mean no harm.

Regardless of the true content of universal history...I continue to be enamored with the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...as a non-theocratic synthesis of Ethical Spirituality and Minimalist State.

Questions or Comments?

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

Is Nibiru a huge Draconian Mothership which travels throughout the galaxy creating Draconian Theocracies? http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/html/...ipnibiru.html#
Is this the real winged serpent in the Garden of Eden? Is Eve representative of the Human God of This World who becomes perfectly possessed by a Draconian Interdimensional Reptilian (eats the apple) and leads Adam (Humanity)...under the direction of the Dracs (One Nation Under Satan)? Is Nibiru the Galactic Vatican of a Universal Church? Is Nibiru owned and operated by Human Beings...or did Human Beings obtain it's services at Rent-A-Rep? I just had to ask. Please forgive the repetition of these videos. I felt that they would help to illustrate the text of this post. What do you think about Amen Ra? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun I know very little about this Egyptian god. I don't have a negative knee-jerk reaction against ancient gods...but I think that we are not dealing with the Creator God of the Universe...in antiquity or modernity. Why this is...I do not know. I sincerely wish we were dealing with this Ultimate Deity. I really don't know what the hell is going on...but something is very, very wrong. I think the gods of this world are Humans who were or are perfectly possessed by Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians. I can't prove this. I'm not a scholar. I just think that our safest course presently is to submit to Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...regardless of whether any deities are good or evil. Power to the People. All the People. Perhaps Nibiru can join the United States of the Solar System...and provide security services for the Solar System outside the orbit of Pluto. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Why wouldn't this work? I'm still naive enough to think that where there's life...there's hope. Nibiruans should revolt against their theocratic or tyrannical leaders...and embrace Responsible Freedom. Come on guys...Do It!

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_...e=fvwpYouTube- Stargate SG1 - Goa'ulds - Awesome Gods?
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTb...next=1YouTube- The Temptation of Jesus by the Devil in the Wilderness

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm still interested in a thoughtful review of this thread! Hope springs eternal!

[firefly]

Hi, orthodoxymoron, thank you for submitting some really interesting posts, I do always enjoy reading you and occassionly have a little giggle at the way you explain things. Would love to meet you in person, one day. By the way have you watched the following videos . I was really taken by it and would appreciate your take.


Agape

firefly

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you David. Can the scientific method be applied to these subjects? I think so. I see fudging and manipulation on both the believing and unbelieving sides. Positions are taken...and then defended by all means...both legitimate and illegitimate. The real truth may mostly be none of the above. We may all have to admit that we were wrong. But most people don't want to admit error...especially when it comes to belief systems. Keep searching...and be honest.

I'm still interested in some detailed critiques regarding the first post...including all of the short video clips. For the real impact of what I am suggesting...repeated reading and viewing may be necessary. I know this takes time...and is a bit boring. There has to be a clergyperson or Jesuit who can skillfully disect this thread. I don't mind being wrong. In fact...I would prefer to be wrong this time.

[orthodoxymoron]

Please don't ignore this thread. This is not just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Is this subject too hard to think about? Is it perceived as being irrelevant? Or...is it just plain boring? Again...I would just like to hear various opinions and insights.

[lindabaker]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Please don't ignore this thread. This is not just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Is this subject too hard to think about? Is it perceived as being irrelevant? Or...is it just plain boring? Again...I would just like to hear various opinions and insights.

okay, I will read your first post. I will sincerely respond. You have requested feedback so many times that I'll read it. Perhaps it is the length of your post which makes it daunting...

[macrostheblack]

A still pond with ripples of positive change.

A person at a certain level of growth shall question the existence of god but in reality is questioning religion.

Religion is a safe guard that was initiated in the past to give order to us humans. We have followed this and evolved but also killed many defending our view upon God.

God is creator and you are a creator in your body!(what you percieve is what you get!). Religion is not god. The true path that matches religion is us with our views and feeling. We all have different opinion and that is what makes humanity unique AND now we doubt old beliefs for they nolonger carry wieght. This is perfection in the continual growth of a soul. God does not work by the impressions placed within a book. Those teachings where for a past human culture but with wisdom still carry meaning in some parts and in other not.

If man turns away from religion he shall unite and follow a path that leads to peace. Then man shall be closer to the God they where unsure of. If we shed our personal views and focus on others then there is paradise where we all just... share and grow together ... and in doing this get far closer to God than having seperate houses that preach this rule or that.

Sadly, those in control of religion know this and prevent a earth where all unite and help each other. To be true human would mean the end of the negative and simply a statement of love that would turn away needs for greed and power. We would all love each other like we do our children.

Stop feeling love only for those near and spread it to those elsewhere, bless them( think - I am glad to be present here with you), be happy and feel it, then send that energy to them. Treat the world as a close part of you. Like the relfection in the mirror that reveals a world around you that is here WITH you. (which we ignore ) Like the photgraph that reveals far more around you that was present when you had the pic taken(we only remember ourselves within it) . Share your happiness and love in your mind to someone who is a stranger, a person in need of help. Pray before sleep with joy for a suffering patient to heal - never focus upon the sickness, nor the pain they feel.

By doing such things you shall find that your own life changes and you see with more clearer eyes. Yes, you see and feel more painful realities but you also know that if you focus upon your happiness(with intent to share) and share it within the mind - then ripples occur.

These ripples clear the muddy waters that cloud our vision.

Clear waters display such beautiful sunlight.

...

The S and L reference are powerful words that act to keep control(oh, there are far more powerful agencies at work), even when used in method to promote change. AVOID using them! Replace them from now on with L for Love, and S for Soul.(oh, we are more than we where told and no longer need the influence of a outdated control measures)

[macrostheblack]

When ones life and/of security falls apart the person in question thinks this is it!

They take in the reality of their situation and only see one sign - ruin.

Go to that sign post and you will find it is stuck on. (by you)

Peel it away and you will see another message that comes from you!

It says, "This route cannot be continued. Please follow this direction to return to peace within your life and heart"

How many of us stop and look for the real sign when things go wrong?

How many of us listen to our true self and not outside involvement that effects the real you?

There is always an answer that carries you best interests at heart and it comes from you - if you take the time to look.

[MyShadow]

all of this - the basis for these - are other people's ideas - conjugated and packaged into popular beliefs. You know in your heart what your truth is - just focus on that and all of this other "stuff" will dissolve into where it came from, yet it's important to experience it so you can come to this point.

[Mercuriel]

Evolutionary man finds it difficult to fully comprehend the significance and to grasp the meanings of Evil, Error, Sin, and Iniquity. Man has been very slow to perceive that contrastive Perfection and Imperfection produce potential Evil. He has been slow in perceiving that conflicting Truth and Falsehood create confusing Errors. That the divine endowment of "freewill choice", eventuates in the divergent realms of Sin and Righteousness. It is the persistent pursuit of Divinity that leads to the kingdom of God, as contrasted with it's continuous rejection, which leads to the domains of Iniquity.

The Gods neither create evil, nor permit sin and rebellion. Potential evil is time-existent in a universe embracing all the differential levels of perfection meanings and values. Sin is potential in all realms where imperfect beings are endowed with the ability to choose between Good and Evil. The very conflicting presence of Truth and Untruth, Fact and Falsehood, constitutes the potentiality of Error. The deliberate choice of Evil constitutes Sin. The willful rejection of Truth is Error, where the persistent pursuit of Sin and Error is Iniquity.

True and False Liberty

Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer Rebellion and the Adamic default, none of them has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of "Immature Evolutionary Mortals" to distinguish between true and false Liberty. True Liberty is the quest of the eons and the reward of evolutionary progress. False Liberty is the subtle deception of the "Error of Time" and the "Evil of Space". Truly enduring Liberty is predicated on the reality of Justice. Inherently, this is the understanding of Intelligence, Maturity, Fraternity, and Equity culminating in the expression of Liberty.

Liberty can be a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence - When it's motivation is Unintelligent, Unconditioned, and Uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality, and always regards Social Equity, Cosmic Fairness, Universe Fraternity, and Divine Obligations.

Liberty is suicidal when it is divorced from Material Justice, Intellectual Fairness, Social Forbearance, Moral Duty, and Spiritual Values. Liberty is simply nonexistent apart from Cosmic Reality and Responsibility, and ALL personality reality is proportional to it's Divinity relationships.

Unbridled Self-Will and unregulated Self-Expression equal Unmitigated Selfishness, which is the acme of Ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of Self, is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated Liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel Deception and License masquerading in the garments of Liberty, is the forerunner or precursor of abject Bondage and Suffering.

True Liberty is the associate of genuine Self-Respect whereas false Liberty is the consort of Self-Admiration. True Liberty is the fruit of one's self-control whereas false Liberty is the assumption of Self-Assertion. Self-Control leads to altruistic service whereas Self-Admiration leans towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual, in so much as they are willing to sacrifice their righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust Power over their fellow beings.

Even Wisdom is Divine and Safe, only when it is Cosmic in Scope, and Spiritual in Motivation.

There is no error greater than the type of Self-Deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of Power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these personalities of their Natural Liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against such Fraud, Unfairness, Selfishness, and Unrighteousness. It is only true and genuine Liberty that is compatible with the reign of Love, and the Ministry of Mercy.

It is extremely audacious that the self-willed creature encroaches upon the rights of their fellows in the name of their own personal Liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the Universe (The Creator and His Co-ordinates) stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of "will", and potentials of "personality"...

No being, in the exercise of their supposed personal Liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators. These priviledges of existence are duly respected by all their Loyal Associates, Subordinates, and Subjects.

Evolutionary Man has to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere. This is not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is a heritage of early evolutionary man, but on the worlds of normally advancing civilization, physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute and non-usage (That is, those Systems that are not under Isolation and Quarantine due to the Rebellion of a System Sovereign and then the Default of It's Adamic Material Son and Daughter).

The Theft of Liberty

With the Son, and in the Spirit, did God project eternal Havona, and ever since then, has been obtained the eternal pattern of "Co-ordinate participation" in Creation. This is more simply put as - Sharing. This pattern of sharing is the master design for every one of the Sons and Daughters of God who go out into space, to engage in the attempt to duplicate in time, the central universe of eternal perfection - Havona...

Every creature of every evolving universe who aspires to do the Father's will, is destined to become the partner of the time-space Creators in this magnificent adventure of experiential perfection attainment. Were this not true, the Father would have hardly endowed such creatures with creative free will, and neither would he indwell them as the Thought-Adjuster to actually go into partnership with them by means of his own spirit. That said, the path of the Co-creator is one in which You are willing to share in it's contruction, while at the same time respecting every free willed creature's desire and birthright to do the same.

Lucifer's folly was the attempt to do the nondoable. To attempt to short-circuit time in an experiential universe. Lucifer's crime was the attempted creative disenfranchisement of every personality in Satania (Our Local System), which was the unrecognized abridgment of the creature's personal participation - Freewill participation that is - In the long evolutionary struggle to attain the status of "Light and Life" both individually and collectively.

In so doing, this onetime Sovereign of your System placed the temporal purpose of his own will directly athwart the eternal purpose of God's will as it is revealed in the bestowal of free will upon all personalized creatures. The Lucifer rebellion thus threatened the maximum possible infringement of the freewill choice of the Ascenders and Servers of the System of Satania. This was a threat to forevermore deprive EVERY ONE of these beings of the thrilling experience of contributing something personal and unique to the slowly erecting monument of experiential wisdom, which will sometime exist as the perfected system of Satania.

Thus does Lucifer's manifesto of Personal Freedom, masquerading in the vestments of Liberty, stand forth in the clear light of reason as a monumental threat to encapsulate the theft of personal liberty and do it on a scale that has been approached only twice in all the history of Nebadon.

In short, what God had given men and angels Lucifer would have taken away from them, that is, the divine privilege of participating in the creation of their own destinies and of the destiny of this local System of Inhabited Worlds.

No being in all the universe has the rightful liberty to deprive any other being of it's true liberty, which is the right to love and be loved, as well as the privilege of worshiping the Prime Creator and of serving Your fellow aspects of First Source.

[777 The Great Work]

God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, Amen Ra, Hathor, Abraxasinas, Thubans,

WTF THESE ARE ALL 1 orthodoxymoron

[Carol]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...556#post248556
Thuban Thread

[orthodoxymoron]

Please consider the following thread in the context of the current thread. This stuff requires a lot of hard work to get it right. I'm too lazy...so I hope some of the rest of you can figure this out! http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=14402

[J_rod7]

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This following chart shows the Evolution progress of the Human Spirit. Within each of the Seven Levels shown, there are Seven levels of progression through each respective level. Most Humans on Earth are in the top two levels of Level Two and on into the first three levels of Level Three. The independent Scientists and Spiritually oriented Humans are at the fourth and some in the fifth level of Level Three. The "time" required for Spirits to evolve through the (lower) Material forms is 60-Billion to 80-Billion years.



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Following is the categorization of known Human Life-Forms: ...

Humanoid lifeforms in the known universe

During the 469th contact of 11th August 2008, Ptaah listed the following different kinds of human beings that they know of:

Human being types in the known Creation (according to The Plejaren Federation)

Type . . . . = Description ...

Humanoids = Like the Plejaren themselves and the Earth humans

Amphiboids = People who resemble animals that live in the water; they live on land and in water, like Asina and her people

Reptileoids = Human-reptilian forms with a skin covered with scales

Insectoids = Human-insectoid forms; their skin having a chitin quality

Sauroids = Human-sauropode form, their skin resembling that of an elephant

Primatoide = Human-primate form with more hair on his skin than the Earth human

Condicoids = Humanoids who are capable to move along through levitation, like the ones who were seen sitting on the roof of the SSSC

Teropoids = Human-birdlike body with a long neck, face and beak-like mouth

Hydroids = Human-fishlike body, who are living in the water, but can leave it for longer periods

Thermoids = Humanoids who are living in hot zones of very high temperature

Frigoroids = Humanoids who are living in regions with very low temperatures

Aërioids = Humanoids who are breathing poisonous gas or living in different gas environments, respectively

Acoroids = Humanoids of humanoid body, whose skin is covered by a fine acid layer, as it is the case with the Trilaner (Trilans).

Floroids = Humanlike and diverse plant bodies

Kentauroids = Life forms with part human, part horse-like bodies

Faunoids = Bodies part human, part animals with hooves

Cheruboids = Very light human life forms, with wings with which they are capable to fly

Seraphoids = Very light life forms with a human-animal body, with feathered wings by which they are able to fly

The non-humanoid life forms are called Peregrinhumanoids, which means strange-humanoids (Fremdartighumanoide).

Note: There are no Reptiloids disguised as members of governments etc. on Earth!

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_M...known_universe

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So the PROPER QUESTION here is how or what makes these types of Life-Forms HUMAN.???

It is that they ALL HAVE A HUMAN SPIRIT.

Truth must come before Peace

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[orthodoxymoron]

This video clip helps to turn the subject of this thread in a positive direction. Listen carefully to the words of these astronauts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1mE...relatedYouTube - In the Shadow of the Moon (10 of 10)
I know someone who was a young boy when the first Russian satellite was launched into orbit. At Christmastime, his church school teacher asked, "the wise-men looked up, and what did they see?" The little boy quickly answered, "Sputnik!"

When the first manned Russian spacecraft reached orbit, the cosmonaut said that he didn't see God...

Nearly a decade ago, I witnessed the re-entry of a Russian spacecraft! In at least half a dozen pieces! All brilliantly burning as they streaked across the night sky! An intoxicated man next to me thought he was hallucinating, and was relieved when I saw it too!

Fast forward to February 1, 2003. I was working a night job, and at around 4:00 a.m. I told a fellow worker about the spacecraft incident. I hadn't talked about it for a long, long time. Then, minutes later, I heard the tragic news about the disintegration of the space shuttle Columbia. Probably just a coincidence, but I put the two events together in my mind, and it made a deep impression on me. While I was telling the story of the fiery spacecraft re-entry, the 7 Columbia astronauts had only minutes to live, and no one knew what was going to happen...no human anyway...

Evelyn Husband, wife of mission commander, Col. Rick Husband, tells in the book High Calling of Rick's last written message:

"Prior to launch, each astronaut fills out papers containing information for the Astronaut Office to keep on file in event of an accident. On the last page of this packet, titled 'Special instructions for Funeral Services,' there is a section called 'Other Special Instructions.' In this section Rick wrote, 'Tell'em About Jesus! - That He is real to me.' That's what Rick wrote down in case something happened. He wanted people to know about Jesus and His love. Rick's request has now become my life's mission statement, and I communicate that every chance I get."