Jordan Maxwell - Water of Grace, Water of Life (brand new documentary...

[GoingToFast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb...eature=related

[GoingToFast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMijKEIZOIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tItGD...eature=related

[Doom]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

I've no doubt 'Doom' will consider it "new age gobbledegook" but as i see it he (and Chris White) fails to separate the wheat from the chaff in modern spiritual teachings by labelling everything of the like in the perjorative "new age".

I am nothing like Chris White imo, he is a christian, and attacks what he perceives to be things that attack christianity. I have no religious ties, and no bias to narrow my world view, though I have mentioned before I believe in human spirit. And as I've stated before as well, I know many of the meanings and messages in the new testament are absolutely universal truths, such as 'The kingdom of God is within you.' But there is a difference between true spirituality and the new age, and it is well documented. Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.

Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'

BTW, check out these articles Alan posted the other day from big think tanks (Club of Budapest is the same thing as Club of Rome) about how spirituality is going to be used to get people to further the green agenda, http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...1&postcount=50

[Doom]

* accidental double post

[GoingToFast]

This is old-school but a classic "must-see-docu"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ent+astronauts

[Doom]

Hey GTF, in response to all your posts of video links - none of them prove anything imo, I've seen every one before and done all the research on all that type of material for many years past. Just because information is out there does not make it correct, if you would at least take the time to research counter-intelligence and the new age a bit I think you'd see that a lot of the stuff your posting is a con, and much has been ligitimately exposed such as Sitchin. We can't ever truly wake up and stop the new world order if we keep getting spun by these fairy tails and fake conspiracy theories.

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

Hey GTF, in response to all your posts of video links - none of them prove anything imo, I've seen every one before and done all the research on all that type of material for many years past. Just because information is out there does not make it correct, if you would at least take the time to research counter-intelligence and the new age a bit I think you'd see that a lot of the stuff your posting is a con, and much has been ligitimately exposed such as Sitchin. We can't ever truly wake up and stop the new world order if we keep getting spun by these fairy tails and fake conspiracy theories.

Hey man, I'm not posting for you, I'm posting for anyone else who is INTELLIGENT so they can make up there OWN MIND'S.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

Hey man, I'm not posting for you, I'm posting for anyone else who is INTELLIGENT so they can make up there OWN MIND'S.

That's fine, same with me - I'm allowed to respond to your posts with my opinions am I not?

And I agree with you - hopefully this thread provides people the opportunity and motivation to look into all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and being spun off by some very captivating fantasy, and then do just what you said(make up there own minds).

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

That's fine, same with me - I'm allowed to respond to your posts with my opinions am I not?

And I agree with you - hopefully this thread provides people the opportunity and motivation to look into all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and being spun off by some very captivating fantasy, and then do just what you said(make up there own minds).

EXACTLY MY POINT. Let everybody make up there own mind

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ient+astronaut

[GoingToFast]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...haraia+sitchin

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.

Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'

Doom

I'm not off any time soon to join any cult either. The new age movement in principle is a better understanding of the old age. But with the shills and profiteers around (as in the case of the 9/11 movement) it gets complicated.

As far as the existence of Jesus or neg aliens, it's a matter of eliminating the impossible, exploring/validating the remote viewing capabilities of those who possess it, and recognizing the alien technology around us (e.g. pulverization of the twin towers).


-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

Doom

I'm not off any time soon to join any cult either. The new age movement in principle is a better understanding of the old age. But with the shills and profiteers around (as in the case of the 9/11 movement) it gets complicated.

As far as the existence of Jesus or neg aliens, it's a matter of eliminating the impossible, exploring/validating the remote viewing capabilities of those who possess it, and recognizing the alien technology around us (e.g. pulverization of the twin towers).


-feeler

Well just be careful, because the new age is exactly that, a cult. And in fact it is in a way worse than old religions, even though old religions are tools of the elite as well, the new age is their upgraded religion creation specifically desgined to destroy all old religions and to give to the public as the new world religion to better control them. And that is one of the new age's appealing factors - putting out some of the truths about how old religions are no good and used to control etc. But that's just to get you onboard, because attatched as well comes all the new age beliefs that disable your mind.

And there is no alien technology around us. That is one of the main reasons why the PTB created the alien conspiracies and perpetuate them, it is a perfect cover for high technology we build here, with no help from aliens. Higher technology than the public know about has always been held secret by the ruling elite throughout history. There's no need for aliens to explain it. What the public see on the shelves is always obsolete. And aliens are the perfect cover story, cause you'll never find one to complain to or be able to do anything about it if it is aliens. This all goes back to the counter-intelligence techniques I've frequently talked about throughout this thread and any others I have posted on at this forum.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

Well just be careful, because the new age is exactly that, a cult. And in fact it is in a way worse than old religions, even though old religions are tools of the elite as well, the new age is their upgraded religion creation specifically desgined to destroy all old religions and to give to the public as the new world religion to better control them.

And there is no alien technology around us. That is one of the main reasons why the PTB created the alien conspiracies and perpetuate them, it is a perfect cover for high technology we build here, with no help from aliens. Higher technology than the public know about has always been held secret by the ruling elite throughout history. There's no need for aliens to explain it. What the public see on the shelves is always obsolete. And aliens are the perfect cover story, cause you'll never find one to complain to or be able to do anything about it if it is aliens. This all goes back to the counter-intelligence techniques I've frequently talked about throughout this thread and any others I have posted on at this forum.

Doom

The new age is not THAT organized as a religion to replace/destroy the old religions. Is it?

No alien technology? Do you believe those people who called in at the same time to report a craft? Do you believe all the UFOs are man-made? Do you believe all the crop circles are man-made?

-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

The new age is not THAT organized as a religion to replace/destroy the old religions. Is it?

Yes it is. It is well disguised as not being organized, but you'll find that all roads lead to rome.

Originally Posted by feeler

No alien technology?

Correct.

Originally Posted by feeler

Do you believe those people who called in at the same time to report a craft?

Sure, I'm sure some people are liars, but some also i'm sure really see things and report them, but it doesn't mean they are alien.

Originally Posted by feeler

Do you believe all the UFOs are man-made?

Yes. The BBC even did a documentary in the 70's showing some of these UFO saucers flying in and out of military hangers. You'll find that although very well disguised and mixed in with all the junk, that most truths are published by the PTB, in books by big players, from big foundations and institutions. They publish their plans and how they do everything if you know where to look. It is almost a legalistic thing to tell the victims so they can say 'it's not like we didn't tell you.'

Originally Posted by feeler

Do you believe all the crop circles are man-made?

They certainly weren't made by aliens! I know there are some crop circles that defy the logic of being simply faked by people with boards and what not, but there are a fair amount of other possibilties, such as high technology used to fool us and perpetuate alien conspiracies, and there are actually some fairly interesting lectures avaiable on google/youtube of some scientific theories explaing them as well (not that I am a supporter of their findings). But aliens are the least likely. That's classic counter-intelligence technique at work again - by writing off anything that is extraordinary and unexplainable as alien.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

They certainly weren't made by aliens! I know there are some crop circles that defy the logic of being simply faked by people with boards and what not, but there are a fair amount of other possibilties, such as high technology used to fool us and perpetuate alien conspiracies, and there are actually some fairly interesting lectures avaiable on google/youtube of some scientific theories explaing them as well (not that I am a supporter of their findings). But aliens are the least likely. That's classic counter-intelligence technique at work again - by writing off anything that is extraordinary and unexplainable as alien.

Doom

Was high technology too utilized to build the Egyptian pyramids? If not, how?

Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?

Where is the missing link between humans and apes?

-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

Doom

Was high technology too utilized to build the Egyptian pyramids? If not, how?

Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?

Where is the missing link between humans and apes?

-feeler

Darwin is a major major player in the elite's agenda, and the new age agenda, so no, i do not believe in darwinism. Contrary to popular belief, the evidence just isn't there. There doesn't need to be a missing link between humans and apes since darwin's theories(even though they weren't actually his theories) are false, and really just a modyfied modern form of ancient hinduism.

The building of the pyramids has been well documented and explained, there is no mystery. The mainstream media created the conspiracy and hype about there being a mystery, but you can easily find many many studies with all the evidence to show exactly how humans built the pyramids without high technology. The mass graveyards of thousands of workers who built the pyramid found around the pyramids for example is just some of the strong evidence.

[Doom]

I love Alan Watt's poetry, I have to post at least a few that fit this discussion:

The Pentagon Churns Out Sage after Sage
Who Foresee All Disasters in this, the New Age,
Those Who Follow the Agenda, Some Truly Can,
Know Each Step to Come, They Study The Plan,
Novus Ordo Seclorum Must Succeed by Deception,
No Room for Errors, On Track, No Correction,
History Tells Without Any Doubt,
Military is Turned On the Rabble in Rout,
Always Disguised as 'For Your Protection,'
Their Function is Death in Any Dimension,
Yet Perception Distorted Alters Belief,
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, Camouflaged Teeth


Citizenry Psy-Ops Operation,
People in Tizzy of Dis-information,
Truth of Which They Ne'er Possess,
Conflicting Data They Can't Process,
Fact and Fantasy, All Bound Together,
'Re' the Belief, 'Ligion' the Fetter,
Round in Circles, All Amazed,
Under Mind Control, They Must Be Dazed,
Psychological Warfare to have Success,
The Victims' Minds They Must Possess,
Until They Find They're All Alone,
Truth is Knockin' but No-one's Home


With Scary Hype, We Can Arrange,
All Your Attention on Climate Change,
With Phony Data and Lots of Excerpts,
Repeated Daily by Well-Paid Experts,
For Gaia's Will, There Must Be Sacrifice,
To Complete the Occultic Enterprise.
And For the New-Agers Out There, Whose Ears are Itchin',
Keep Following the Fantasy Web Spun by Z. Sitchin

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Doom

I love Alan Watt's poetry, I have to post at least a few that fit this discussion:

The Pentagon Churns Out Sage after Sage
Who Foresee All Disasters in this, the New Age,
Those Who Follow the Agenda, Some Truly Can,
Know Each Step to Come, They Study The Plan,
Novus Ordo Seclorum Must Succeed by Deception,
No Room for Errors, On Track, No Correction,
History Tells Without Any Doubt,
Military is Turned On the Rabble in Rout,
Always Disguised as 'For Your Protection,'
Their Function is Death in Any Dimension,
Yet Perception Distorted Alters Belief,
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, Camouflaged Teeth


Citizenry Psy-Ops Operation,
People in Tizzy of Dis-information,
Truth of Which They Ne'er Possess,
Conflicting Data They Can't Process,
Fact and Fantasy, All Bound Together,
'Re' the Belief, 'Ligion' the Fetter,
Round in Circles, All Amazed,
Under Mind Control, They Must Be Dazed,
Psychological Warfare to have Success,
The Victims' Minds They Must Possess,
Until They Find They're All Alone,
Truth is Knockin' but No-one's Home


With Scary Hype, We Can Arrange,
All Your Attention on Climate Change,
With Phony Data and Lots of Excerpts,
Repeated Daily by Well-Paid Experts,
For Gaia's Will, There Must Be Sacrifice,
To Complete the Occultic Enterprise.
And For the New-Agers Out There, Whose Ears are Itchin',
Keep Following the Fantasy Web Spun by Z. Sitchin

Well, that could be better,
Though i like the last one with Itchin' and Sitchin.....
--------------

Doom, GoingToFast was right:

You DO really believe in a 'BEARDED GOD'....


--- His name is: ..................Alan Watt. ---




doesn't it ? Hehe, just kidding

salute.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

Darwin is a major major player in the elite's agenda, and the new age agenda, so no, i do not believe in darwinism. Contrary to popular belief, the evidence just isn't there. There doesn't need to be a missing link between humans and apes since darwin's theories(even though they weren't actually his theories) are false, and really just a modyfied modern form of ancient hinduism.

The building of the pyramids has been well documented and explained, there is no mystery. The mainstream media created the conspiracy and hype about there being a mystery, but you can easily find many many studies with all the evidence to show exactly how humans built the pyramids without high technology. The mass graveyards of thousands of workers who built the pyramid found around the pyramids for example is just some of the strong evidence.

Doom

If humans did not evolve from apes, where did humans evolve from? Adam and Eve? The missing link is there. Where is it?

Did you research on the bodies of the workers? Did you locate evidence of work related injury or death? Evidence indicative of falling from high places, broken bones, compressed spinal cords, etc? Or their tools?

My second question is still unanswered: Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?

If not from Darwin's evolution, where did humans get their pineal glands from?


-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

Doom

If humans did not evolve from apes, where did humans evolve from? Adam and Eve? The missing link is there. Where is it?

Did you research on the bodies of the workers? Did you locate evidence of work related injury or death? Evidence indicative of falling from high places, broken bones, compressed spinal cords, etc? Or their tools?

My second question is still unanswered: Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?

If not from Darwin's evolution, where did humans get their pineal glands from?


-feeler

Why did humans have to evolve from another animal? There is no missing link, it is a complete farce, and so is the christian creationist stories too which are all exoteric misunderstandings of whose real meanings are esoteric. You see, I'm not on either side of the basic 'evolution vs creationism' arguement. The answer often not black and white.

Listen, I'm not going to do all the research and thinking for you and present it all here. This is obviously a vast subject. I am just trying to motivate people to do research themselves, and offer some of my opinons. But yes I have done extensive research on the pyramids, and the all the evidence is there for how they were built, there is no mystery, check out the library there are plenty of legit independent studies of the pyramids' building.

And I think you're misunderstood about the pineal gland, and seeing the exoteric meaning but not the esoteric.

Here, check this out:

"
The ancients wrote about the mind. The Third Eye is very simple, as the exoteric people delve into what they think are mysteries, looking for pineal glands and other methods of stimulating the pineal gland and opening up a pathway—and knowledge will just flood into them. You earn knowledge by examining yourself, because all knowledge ultimately must be within. It's a sad state when we can look around us and see that in many, many people all they have is extraneous knowledge given to them, often misunderstood, misquoted, going from the simplistic to the bizarre.

The mind is the Third Eye, because all perceptions ultimately must be deciphered by the mind of the person. That is why a trick of rulers in all ages and priesthoods, who taught this to pharaohs, was that they could alter the perceptions of slaves and vast conquered peoples by getting between the mind of the person and the perceptions. Therefore, their conclusions would be faulty, purposely made so. This was done through early indoctrination into superstitions. When the mind tried to formulate conclusions, the indoctrination would kick in and they'd compare the new experiences to these indoctrinations and come to faulty conclusions, which kept them enslaved and obedient.

The serpent is an allegory for wisdom. Wisdom for what?

The Egyptians wore the Uraeus, the cobra on a head band. The cobra sat on the forehead, the Third Eye. The idea being (and that is also a pun)—between the eyes and the idea. The idea being that you have to guard your mind, being the one who was wise and born into a wise family or class—an educated family or class, you would have wisdom.

I've gone into the fact that, primarily, these high families were psychopathic in origin and interbred, and therefore kept the knowledge to themselves, because psychopaths must always try and gain power, total power over everyone else. That's our dilemma in this world. The serpent strikes. When it strikes, ancient people used to wonder why it would it let so many people pass a particular route or road or track, and only strike the occasional person here or there? In other words, when anyone got too near to it—too near is the key—it would strike and defend itself. The idea being that they used serpent or the cobra, which had this lightening strike, to strike something that didn't want to come near it. They used that around the head band as a symbol that they would strike anything which tried to enter (or unauthorized) into their mind. It guarded the mind. The people around did not have the right to wear the Uraeus because they were the ruled. In fact, it was mandatory that they be open for all indoctrination, all erroneous teachings, superstition and so on. - Alan Watt
"

[Doom]

Originally Posted by BeaTnik-BandiT

Well, that could be better,
Though i like the last one with Itchin' and Sitchin.....
-- ------------

Doom, GoingToFast was right:

You DO really believe in a 'BEARDED GOD'....


--- His name is: ..................Alan Watt. ---




doesn't it ? Hehe, just kidding

salute.

Hhaha. Alas, Alan is no god. Nor do I 'believe' in him. But I do credit him for motivating me to really get to the sources of information and research for myself rather than take other researchers word for it.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

Why did humans have to evolve from another animal? There is no missing link, it is a complete farce, and so is the christian creationist stories too which are all exoteric misunderstandings of whose real meanings are esoteric. You see, I'm not on either side of the basic 'evolution vs creationism' arguement. The answer often not black and white.

Listen, I'm not going to do all the research and thinking for you and present it all here. This is obviously a vast subject. I am just trying to motivate people to do research themselves, and offer some of my opinons. But yes I have done extensive research on the pyramids, and the all the evidence is there for how they were built, there is no mystery, check out the library there are plenty of legit independent studies of the pyramids' building.

And I think you're misunderstood about the pineal gland, and seeing the exoteric meaning but not the esoteric.

Doom

I agree; humans do not have to evolve from another animal. However, are you saying that humans did not undergo the process of evolution and that humans just appeared on the scene after the dinosaurs?

When time permits, please articulate on how the pyramids were built and the injuries and deaths the locals have suffered in building the pyramids.

Thank you for explaining the esoteric meaning of the pineal gland. Does it exist? If so, what function does it serve?

-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

Doom

I agree; humans do not have to evolve from another animal. However, are you saying that humans did not undergo the process of evolution and that humans just appeared on the scene after the dinosaurs?

When time permits, please articulate on how the pyramids were built and the injuries and deaths the locals have suffered in building the pyramids.

Thank you for explaining the esoteric meaning of the pineal gland. Does it exist? If so, what function does it serve?

-feeler


-feeler

I trust you'll be able to find some information on the pyramids. And you don't really need to go much further than that with the pineal gland, we need to focus on stopping the new world order and the things that are happening to us right now in realy, they are depopulating us as we speak by controlling and manipulating the food, water and air, and weather. This is a nightmare we live in right now we have to relize that to even begin to fix it. And not worry about our 'pineal gland', or 'defeating the evil in our ego', and 'seeing beyond 5 sense reality' and even finding out the origin of man because at the moment we have to accept that it cannot be known for certain. So many of these new age type thought patterns that make ourselves our own enemy. Though, it is our fault in a way for letting this happen to us, but we can't keep blaming ourself, we have to forgive ourselves and not let this happen anymore. We are a long ways from serious solutions and changes right now, because we are so far behind. We need to be worried about surviving as a species and keeping this information alive for the next generation, we need to make sure there is a next generation. This is something bigger than each one of us, this is for everyone who has ever lived and everyone who deserves a chance to live in the future.

As for humans apppearing after dinosaurs. I don't know. I don't have all the answers on the origns of man. I have my suspicions and many opinions, but I don't think we truly can know for sure. The sciences used to tell us we do know are not sound. Science is a very effective tool, because it can be used so deceptively to convince the public no other thing could be possible, especially with the use of statistics, when in fact scientific theories change by the minute. I don't deny it is possible for species to change over time, obviously many speices are very adaptable, especially humans. But a simple truth like that can easily be twisted and used and attached to conditions and ideas that aren't necessarily true and used by the ruling elite to control the public. With evolution we have the survival fo the fittest, darwinism, eugenics essentially, as well coming with it often is atheism and essentially the belief that we are worthless and nothing special. And to go deeper they have the spiritual atheists who make it out to be an amazingly beautiful thing that we are worthless, it is such an honor to be so lucky that science just happened to result this way so that we have lives like we do. All information is managed for purposes you see.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Doom

I am nothing like Chris White imo, he is a christian, and attacks what he perceives to be things that attack christianity. I have no religious ties, and no bias to narrow my world view, though I have mentioned before I believe in human spirit. And as I've stated before as well, I know many of the meanings and messages in the new testament are absolutely universal truths, such as 'The kingdom of God is within you.' But there is a difference between true spirituality and the new age, and it is well documented. Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.

Everyone has "bias to narrow their world view". You do and so do I. The trick is to recognise that none of us are free of it and to try to uncover our own bias-- not just the bias of others. That's how we rise above the dualistic mindset of the ego and come to the truth.

As Jesus said:

..."thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam from thine own eye (your own bias based on the blindness of your own ego)
and then shalt thou see clearly to remove the splinter that is in thy brother's eye" (another's bias based on the blindness of their ego)

I am no fundamentalist christian but i sometimes quote Jesus to illustrate that although his life reflected earlier exoteric savior god myths , many incidents in his life and the majority of his teachings are unique and highly insightful which is indicative of a spiritually enlightened man. Jesus' teachings - if understood - were so far ahead of the PTB that they simply could not have invented him. The best they could do was hijack his identity and teachings to distort and use as a mask for their own purposes.

This is the same thing the PTB are doing to progressive revelation in this age. The best they can do with it today is the same thing they did with Jesus and his true Christ-ian teachings in the piscean age -- Hijack it, give it a twist and use it to their own ends.

New spiritual teachings have been released in this age (the aquarian age) and consequently a feverish attempt is being made to distort and misrepresent it. The PTB hide the biggest lie between two truths. That modus operandi is the recurring theme of the controllers of humanity throughout history. They rarely ever overtly oppose by revealing themselves as they really are, instead presenting themselves in church and state as the 'saviors' of humanity by virtue of their self appointed mediatorship and presumed 'superior intelligence'. Remember that Jesus came to shatter that illusion by revealing the inner source of our spiritual identity and personal authority. The same spoilers of freedom have now morphed into the puppet masters of (external) "alien" saviors for the "benefit" of those who are tired of their distorted mis-representation of Jesus as an idol to worship.

And who are the high priests mediating for us now with our alien gods? Why, the 'whistleblowers' of course and the intelligence agencies of the world. Does that give anyone comfort? The same deception is being played out behind a slightly different mask, that's all. Christians can't see the twist imposed upon them and neither can those hopeful of an alien solution because a similar blindness afflicts both.... a desire to abrogate personal responsibility.

In order to capture the minds of those of us who have seen through their idol, the PTB have finished with their version of Jesus and want him out of the way. For those who are still worshipping that idol - of Jesus as an external savior figure - and who still haven't finished with it the PTB continue to ply their wares to keep people distracted, blinkered, afraid and expectant of a future savior rather than a personal solution inspired now from within. There's something for everyone in all this.... "Hurry hurry... step right up... ready yourselves... external saviors coming... coming soon!"

Originally Posted by Doom

Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'

I can only say that ancient visitations to Earth by alien negs is a belief of mine.

My own experience tells me that very dark astral beings exist and it is my suspicion that some of these have come from somewhere else in the cosmos. If aliens in UFOs exist on Earth's physical plane they are negs and they live underground.

In any case i don't attribute our high technology to aliens. And I agree that the PTB are way ahead of the technology in popular use today. They incentivise the brightest minds on Earth to serve them, then classify and hoard the product of their efforts.

But also I have good reason to believe that our civilisation has not progressively risen constantly over time. Civilisation - which can be measured by the spirituality of the people (expressed in all societal systems) and by the control and peaceful use of technolgy - is something that waxes and wanes over the ages. Humanity has been through several high tech civilisations in the past yet they've always reached a spiritual and technological pinnacle which was not maintained because the people could not sustain their spiritual attainment. There is a relationship between the spirituality of the people and their technological attainments. Corrupt the heart and soul of society and you eventually destroy all of it's attainments. If the people of Earth fail to transcend the mass consciousness today then our civilisation will go the way of Atlantis and be destroyed in eventual cataclysmic destruction. History repeats this cycle over and over.

In the 1880s a book was written by a californian teenager titled "A dweller on Two Planets" (copyright 1894 - it's searchable free online). Under the direction of a spiritual adept named Phylos, Frederick Oliver described the societal systems of Atlantis and the technologies which they used. These included anti-gravity arial and submarine craft; wireless telephony, television and radio, high speed mono-rail, air conditioning, water generating machines and various other technologies all powered by free energy devices.

Phylos predicted that these and other inventions would be rediscovered in the 20th century by re-incarnating Atlanteans. He specifically predicted that the principles of anti-gravity arial flight (he outlined the design of the arial ships which the Atlanteans called the "vailix") would be rediscovered and the ships re-invented relatively early in the 20th century.

The book was dictated to Oliver at a time when a taxi was a Wells Fargo horse and carriage. If the technology of Atlantis and it's predicted re-invention sounds too incredible for the late 1800s, Phylos explained that souls re-incarnate through the ages and retain the soul memory of earlier knowledge and experiences. Some souls, he explained, would tap into that knowledge in their subsequent incarnations in the (then) coming decades of the 20th century.

Looking at Phylos' book from today's vantage point offers us one explanation for the arial craft that some ancient civilisations wrote about and drew pictorials of.

Doom, i suppose your easy answer to these revelations, given your current certainty of the way the world works, would be that the PTB had those technologies in the 1880s and that Phylos was just a mind control exercise foisted upon the boy who wrote "A Dweller on Two Planets" ... or even that the lad was a phantom front for their "new age" deception of the world. If i had no more than competing theories to cling to i would find Phylos' explanation for the questions we're talking about far more satisfying than the alternatives presented by professional "truth seekers" on that list from Dadrious. But I am certain the brotherhood of spiritual adepts are real and that they have assisted and facilitated our spiritual and technological advancement in this and prior ages. It is not merely a belief of mine.

But again, because there are incorporeal astral entities and high tech instruments of mind control at work in this world one must use discernment which originates from the spirit within in order to see things as they really are. Mental and soul attunement to spirit is the only way these questions can be clearly resolved. This is a constant challenge to everyone including those who do and do not believe (or know) that the adepts are real and work in our service to assist our spiritual growth and material feeedom.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

Everyone has "bias to narrow their world view". You do and so do I. The trick is to recognise that none of us are free of it and to try to uncover our own bias-- not just the bias of others. That's how we rise above the dualistic mindset of the ego and come to the truth.

As Jesus said:

..."thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam from thine own eye (your own bias based on the blindness of your own ego)
and then shalt thou see clearly to remove the splinter that is in thy brother's eye" (another's bias based on the blindness of their ego)

I am no fundamentalist christian but i sometimes quote Jesus to illustrate that although his life reflected earlier exoteric savior god myths , many incidents in his life and the majority of his teachings are unique and highly insightful which is indicative of a spiritually enlightened man. Jesus' teachings - if understood - were so far ahead of the PTB that they simply could not have invented him. The best they could do was hijack his identity and teachings to distort and use as a mask for their own purposes.

This is the same thing the PTB are doing to progressive revelation in this age. The best they can do with it today is the same thing they did with Jesus and his true Christ-ian teachings in the piscean age -- Hijack it, give it a twist and use it to their own ends.

New spiritual teachings have been released in this age (the aquarian age) and consequently a feverish attempt is being made to distort and misrepresent it. The PTB hide the biggest lie between two truths. That modus operandi is the recurring theme of the controllers of humanity throughout history. They rarely ever overtly oppose by revealing themselves as they really are, instead presenting themselves in church and state as the 'saviors' of humanity by virtue of their self appointed mediatorship and presumed 'superior intelligence'. Remember that Jesus came to shatter that illusion by revealing the inner source of our spiritual identity and personal authority. The same spoilers of freedom have now morphed into the puppet masters of (external) "alien" saviors for the "benefit" of those who are tired of their distorted mis-representation of Jesus as an idol to worship.

And who are the high priests mediating for us now with our alien gods? Why, the 'whistleblowers' of course and the intelligence agencies of the world. Does that give anyone comfort? The same deception is being played out behind a slightly different mask, that's all. Christians can't see the twist imposed upon them and neither can those hopeful of an alien solution because a similar blindness afflicts both.... a desire to abrogate personal responsibility.

In order to capture the minds of those of us who have seen through their idol, the PTB have finished with their version of Jesus and want him out of the way. For those who are still worshipping that idol - of Jesus as an external savior figure - and who still haven't finished with it the PTB continue to ply their wares to keep people distracted, blinkered, afraid and expectant of a future savior rather than a personal solution inspired now from within. There's something for everyone in all this.... "Hurry hurry... step right up... ready yourselves... external saviors coming... coming soon!"


I can only say that ancient visitations to Earth by alien negs is a belief of mine.

My own experience tells me that very dark astral beings exist and it is my suspicion that some of these have come from somewhere else in the cosmos. If aliens in UFOs exist on Earth's physical plane they are negs and they live underground.

In any case i don't attribute our high technology to aliens. And I agree that the PTB are way ahead of the technology in popular use today. They incentivise the brightest minds on Earth to serve them, then classify and hoard the product of their efforts.

But also I have good reason to believe that our civilisation has not progressively risen constantly over time. Civilisation - which can be measured by the spirituality of the people (expressed in all societal systems) and by the control and peaceful use of technolgy - is something that waxes and wanes over the ages. Humanity has been through several high tech civilisations in the past yet they've always reached a spiritual and technological pinnacle which was not maintained because the people could not sustain their spiritual attainment. There is a relationship between the spirituality of the people and their technological attainments. Corrupt the heart and soul of society and you eventually destroy all of it's attainments. If the people of Earth fail to transcend the mass consciousness today then our civilisation will go the way of Atlantis and be destroyed in eventual cataclysmic destruction. History repeats this cycle over and over.

In the 1880s a book was written by a californian teenager titled "A dweller on Two Planets" (copyright 1894 - it's searchable free online). Under the direction of a spiritual adept named Phylos, Frederick Oliver described the societal systems of Atlantis and the technologies which they used. These included anti-gravity arial and submarine craft; wireless telephony, television and radio, high speed mono-rail, air conditioning, water generating machines and various other technologies all powered by free energy devices.

Phylos predicted that these and other inventions would be rediscovered in the 20th century by re-incarnating Atlanteans. He specifically predicted that the principles of anti-gravity arial flight (he outlined the design of the arial ships which the Atlanteans called the "vailix") would be rediscovered and the ships re-invented relatively early in the 20th century.

The book was dictated to Oliver at a time when a taxi was a Wells Fargo horse and carriage. If the technology of Atlantis and it's predicted re-invention sounds too incredible for the late 1800s, Phylos explained that souls re-incarnate through the ages and retain the soul memory of earlier knowledge and experiences. Some souls, he explained, would tap into that knowledge in their subsequent incarnations in the (then) coming decades of the 20th century.

Looking at Phylos' book from today's vantage point offers us one explanation for the arial craft that some ancient civilisations wrote about and drew pictorials of.

Doom, i suppose your easy answer to these revelations, given your current certainty of the way the world works, would be that the PTB had those technologies in the 1880s and that Phylos was just a mind control exercise foisted upon the boy who wrote "A Dweller on Two Planets" ... or even that the lad was a phantom front for their "new age" deception of the world. If i had no more than competing theories to cling to i would find Phylos' explanation for the questions we're talking about far more satisfying than the alternatives presented by professional "truth seekers" on that list from Dadrious. But I am certain the brotherhood of spiritual adepts are real and that they have assisted and facilitated our spiritual and technological advancement in this and prior ages. It is not merely a belief of mine.

But again, because there are incorporeal astral entities and high tech instruments of mind control at work in this world one must use discernment which originates from the spirit within in order to see things as they really are. Mental and soul attunement to spirit is the only way these questions can be clearly resolved. This is a constant challenge to everyone including those who do and do not believe (or know) that the adepts are real and work in our service to assist our spiritual growth and material feeedom.

you said:
"In the 1880s a book was written by a californian teenager titled "A dweller on Two Planets" (copyright 1894 - it's searchable free online). Under the direction of a spiritual adept named Phylos"

That line i bolded is a red flag right away that the information is not true. And your assumption as to what my answer would be to these 'revelations' is close, I mean, the elite have always had much higher technology than the public knows about, and also much more extensive archives of history that we are not privvy to. They could easily put out new age propoganda such as this at that time. That doesn't mean in 1880's we had to have such technologies in order to have written about them, but there was enough technology on the high levels to be able to write about theories of such technologies, in fact such theories had been discussed many years previous. AS well you mentioned re-incarnation, and that is another red flag as it is a complete elitist belief and one of the reasons they think they have the rite to rule (read plato's material as to why he considered himself an elite). We have been lied to so much about history that they can practically tell us anything and we will believe it. I mean, many ancient societies had heated water, plumbing, batteries of sorts, etc. We cannot say for sure what else they have known about throughout history that the public has been kept in the dark about.

But, I am not an expert on this particular story and would need to look into it further but based on what you've said about it so far, it appears fairly obvious to me at this time that it is false. Other than that story though, and your beleifs about aliens, I would agree with a fair amount of your statements.