WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by David Trd1 (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
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This emoji has never been more apt

I presume you are agreeing with exomatrix's take on Heather Cox Richardson's post, and to whom I gave full attribution, which I included here as a cut 'n' paste. I trust I have cleared up his confusion, and yours, in my reply.
Please read it.
Respectfully,

Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
About Fellow Aspirant’s latest text. Apart from its sources: the style, the vicious characterisations. Obviously a (would-be) propaganda piece. Ignore.

Please, Mssr. Leclerc, enlighten me about what you are referring to as "vicious characterisations".
Are you referring to something I said?
Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Well, friend Bill, thanks for the amplification/clarification.

I hope I can be excused for thinking that you were using a Telegram posting as a source, given that the title of the post was listed as having being lifted from "Cyberspec News", with the Telegram icon beside it.
Of course, in order to get to your source I would have had to pay enough "attention" to have gotten beyond your posting headline, and then gotten to the infinity squiggle to the ABC attribution, to the original source, which was indeed a Telegram post.
Don'tcha hate it when information is layered like a bunch of Matryoshka dolls?

Cheers,
Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Yeah, the Ukrainian Foreign Legion has some significant problems, for sure. And I'm glad that the fine Australian men and women who have joined up to fight the Russian invaders are able to get legal representation to help make things right. I wish them well and am grateful for their selfless actions.
If only the Russian soldiers could get some help sorting out their problems with their commanders. Except for the Wagnerian murderers, who had to march on Moscow to get their demands listened to, all the other conscripts are without anyone willing to fight for their rights.
Cheers,
Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
your position as a Putin Fan Boy

Made me laugh. Hardly a 'fan boy'. Here's the definition:

A male fan, especially one who is obsessive about comics, music, movies, or science fiction.

However, I am someone who carefully reads Putin's long and detailed speeches (all recorded here on http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news, and who knows the real history pretty well (which is distorted, omitted, or plain lied about in western media and by western western politicians).

I'm also someone who regards Putin as one of the few living politicians in the world with integrity, intelligence, and a deep knowledge of European and Asian history, who is actually very moderate and restrained in his decisions, and who is willing to state Emperor's New Clothes type truths about the so-called collective west on public record.

It's the US, Canada, and Europe which are now becoming more like the old Soviet Union. Not a joke.

So no, I'm not a 'Putin shill', or any kind of 'fan boy'. But I fully support his stances on global affairs. I have quite a few Russian friends, have visited the country twice, was impressed with everyone I met, and (as Edgar Cayce famously foresaw), I view Russia as 'the hope of the world'. (There may well be other 'hopes', but painted with a broad brush this could be the most influential one.)

I hold all these views based firmly on everything I believe I know and understand, and I have no problem stating that openly.

So, given everything that Putin claims is fiction, and often science fiction, as when he touts the capabilities of his world beating missiles and torpedoes, I'd say that with you have just owned yourself as being a Putin Fan Boy.

It fits the bill perfectly.

Brian

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by arwen (here)
I had to put this here, it is also a little light relief that is irresistible and delightful. Russians are ordinary people just like all of us. Anyone who demonizes them, demonizes themselves. 4 minutes.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PVsVxpJoF78

Wonderful!

To compliment that, here's Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova dancing the Kalinka before an audience. MUST SEE.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S7uhHEGFzm8

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
the fine Australian men and women who have joined up to fight the Russian invaders are able to get legal representation to help make things right. I wish them well and am grateful for their selfless actions.

They're mercenaries, doing it for the money. Some of them are doubtless good people, as misled about the ethics and history of the conflict as many others are in the 'western' world. And now they're being slaughtered.

As you may know, a large number of them are fleeing the battlefield, stating on record in mainstream news interviews that the Ukraine military is in disarray, their commanders are corrupt and incompetent, and that the entire situation is a kind of deadly flytrap the kind of which none of them have ever seen before. There are many interviews and articles, which I expect you're aware of.

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
So, given everything that Putin claims is fiction, and often science fiction, as when he touts the capabilities of his world beating missiles and torpedoes, I'd say that with you have just owned yourself as being a Putin Fan Boy.

I'm not aware of anything Putin has claimed or stated as being 'fiction'. Nothing at all. And yes, Russian missile and other military technology has shown itself to be the best in the world right now. Their missiles and missile defense systems are far superior to anything the US or EU has.

[Vicus]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
To compliment that, here's Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova dancing the Kalinka before an audience. MUST SEE.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S7uhHEGFzm8

with those shoes...Russian woman...yummy...

[Bill Ryan]

This is the extent to which hapless and uninformed North American and UK/EU citizens are being grossly lied to and misled. I could hardly believe this, faithfully reported by Reuters. (But yes, Blinken really did say this.)

It might be fun to see if and how Dmitry Medvedev or Maria Zakharova might respond.

Ukraine has recaptured 50% of the territory that Russia seized, Blinken says

https://reuters.com/world/blinken-says-ukraine-has-taken-back-50-territory-that-russia-seized-2023-07-23

[pounamuknight]

The empire's Ukrainian proxy make no bones about it: Crimea is a target!

NATO's Ukrainian president & military chief admit it

NATO's media admit it

Heck, NATO admits it:

The Black Sea region is of strategic importance for the Alliance. This is further highlighted by Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine. We underline our continued support to Allied regional efforts aimed at upholding security, safety, stability and freedom of navigation in the Black Sea region

NATO Communique, Vilnius Summit, July 11 2022

2020, before Russia went in to protect the Donbas, NATO were conducting bombing exercises in Romania



NATO media gloated that HIMARS missiles launched at Crimea:

flying in and out of Romania pose a serious, and unpredictable, threat to Russian forces forces in the region

Just to make sure Russia got the point, a few days later NATO openly declared the target:

In the long term until 2030, Russia is likely to remain the main military threat to the North Atlantic Alliance

NATO 2030 Report, November 25 2020

You see, NATO's been lusting after Crimea for a loooooong time

A 2014 article by Maurizio Blondet detailed NATO's plot to take over Crimea's naval base

According to Blondet, the success of the Maidan Coup puffed up NATO confidence

As Victoria Nuland dispatched a new regime to Kiev, NATO dispatched a fleet of warships to Crimea

At last, Sevastapol Naval Base belonged NATO!

However, NATO's plans were scuppered when Crimea voted to go back home!

Maurizio Blondet article is in Italian, but just use a simple translation app because it's really good. It goes in to how important Crimea is to Russia and the chess moves played to retain it

Final note: remember the 2014 Black Sea incident involving a US warship and Russian jet?

Well, that was part of that NATO fleet dispatched to take over Sevastopol and Russia saying Иди домой!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MTWlIvQ_Coo

[ExomatrixTV]

• NATO's Ambitions Just Destroyed The US Constitution With This Move:

What is the most important document in the United States of America if you said the US Constitution unfortunately that's no longer correct. The United States Senate just voted to give the north Atlantic Treaty organization supreme power over the United States in war, making decisions.

• source

Flashback:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=33owOuQzgU8

• July 2023 Dr. Paul, Reps. Roy and Davidson Reaffirm Congress’ Constitutional Authority to Declare War
• Reuters July 2023 Fact Checking Rebuttal (How to Frame Things Differently) I remember Father Ron Paul exposing the same issue way back!

[Vicus]

Ex-Russian president suggests surprise response to Ukrainian drone attacks 24 Jul, 2023

Moscow could strike “non-typical targets” beyond military warehouses and energy infrastructure, Dmitry Medvedev has said


Ukraine is carrying out attacks on civilian targets in Russia in order to divert attention from its floundering counteroffensive, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has claimed. Commenting hours after Ukrainian drones attempted to strike targets in Moscow and Crimea, Medvedev suggested that Russia’s response should be “unexpected.”

Medvedev, who currently serves as deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, wrote on Telegram on Monday that Ukraine was starved of any military success and needed to score “informational wins, even if bogus and bloated.”

“That’s why the [Ukrainian] Nazis and the population recruited by them also find strikes on civilian facilities acceptable,” Medvedev stated. He also claimed there are rising concerns among the Ukrainian public and cited the “impatience” of Kiev’s “Western masters” for battlefield victories.

“Therefore, the Bandera bastards increasingly choose peaceful, civilian targets for their vile attacks. Everyone should be ready for this,” Medvedev warned, referring to the infamous Ukrainian Nazi collaborator during World War II.

We need to choose non-typical targets for our strikes. Not only warehouses, energy hubs, and oil bases. There are other places where they are not expecting us yet. And where the effect will be very significant.

Medvedev’s remarks followed an attempted Ukraine drone strike on Moscow on Monday morning. The incident involved two UAVs which were suppressed by electronic warfare measures and crashed into non-residential buildings. The attack did not result in any casualties or serious damage, officials said.

The same day, the Russian Defense Ministry said that a Ukrainian UAV attack had hit an ammunition depot in Crimea, adding that Moscow’s forces had downed a total of 17 drones.


https://www.rt.com/russia/580208-med...rone-surprise/

[shaberon]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
What is the most important document in the United States of America if you said the US Constitution unfortunately that's no longer correct. The United States Senate just voted to give the north Atlantic Treaty organization supreme power over the United States in war, making decisions.

No, because NATO is a Treaty, which is handled by the Senate.

This is a "balance of power" designed to limit the President, which is what the Constitution is designed for.


NATO Article V does not stipulate a declaration of war--it stipulates what members deem appropriate.

What Russia is doing is not war, in a similar manner to how American interventionism is not war.


It is a difficult argument to say the Constitution is "higher" than Treaties, since Treaties are laws agreed to by one or more other countries.

The Senate already voted to agree in giving the Treaty the power to invoke military force, and Congress still has the only authority to declare war. A war is not a battle, it is a legal entity, resolved by Treaties.

No "decision making power" is transferred, as if a German military man could order a draft in California.


As to whether NATO or the Constitution are worth keeping at all, it seems doubtful, but even in their current context, the recent submission and its rejection are frivolous.

The current S 2226 for FY 2024 currently has 872 proposed amendments.


If we don't want NATO influence, all you have to do is withdraw, simple as that. Just withdraw!

[Tintin]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
your position as a Putin Fan Boy

Made me laugh. Hardly a 'fan boy'. Here's the definition:

A male fan, especially one who is obsessive about comics, music, movies, or science fiction.

However, I am someone who carefully reads Putin's long and detailed speeches (all recorded here on http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news, and who knows the real history pretty well (which is distorted, omitted, or plain lied about in western media and by western western politicians).

I'm also someone who regards Putin as one of the few living politicians in the world with integrity, intelligence, and a deep knowledge of European and Asian history, who is actually very moderate and restrained in his decisions, and who is willing to state Emperor's New Clothes type truths about the so-called collective west on public record.

It's the US, Canada, and Europe which are now becoming more like the old Soviet Union. Not a joke.

So no, I'm not a 'Putin shill', or any kind of 'fan boy'. But I fully support his stances on global affairs. I have quite a few Russian friends, have visited the country twice, was impressed with everyone I met, and (as Edgar Cayce famously foresaw), I view Russia as 'the hope of the world'. (There may well be other 'hopes', but painted with a broad brush this could be the most influential one.)

I hold all these views based firmly on everything I believe I know and understand, and I have no problem stating that openly.

So, given everything that Putin claims is fiction, and often science fiction, as when he touts the capabilities of his world beating missiles and torpedoes, I'd say that with you have just owned yourself as being a Putin Fan Boy.

It fits the bill perfectly.

Brian

Fellow Perspirant enters the room, after a 2 or 3 month hiatus. God spare us, but, alas, Nazi sympathisers just simply HAVE TO make their presence felt, Yawn, yawn. And you are, a Nazi sympathiser. I have to applaud our patience here in the forum toward your ilk, but really enough should be enough.

We don't do Nazis here so it's time for you to leave. And you are a patronising little sh*t.

You're blocked from this thread. And by rights should be from the forum, proper. That's not my call, but Nazis aren't welcome, I'm calling you out and you ought to be grateful that I don't go full on South London on your lousy arse.

You should know better, at your age, and I've said that before. Good luck.

[shaberon]

Posted by Tintin (here)
And you are, a Nazi sympathiser. I have to applaud our patience here in the forum toward your ilk, but really enough should be enough.

I don't blame you, and, erm, thanks.

I have no issue with someone disagreeing with, for example, me, but the thing is that so far, it seems like I have already written their script by having analyzed the school of thought, and nothing new has ever been presented. As you can probably tell, I am not in favor of knee-jerk blame the Jews/Chinese/Pagans/or whoever embodies the "devil" of your choosing, particularly since it appears we Anglos face the "enemy within", something usually in a Protestant disguise and appearance of "normality".

I don't really like to clutter a thread with basic contradictions, so after one or two instances I usually just give up on the counter points.

I just recalled something from when I posted earlier, if we look at what our Congress does that may become law--rather than Resolutions which mostly express attitudes--we are on the way to having Hip Hop Day, and, as if that were not enough, Hip Hop Month, those are actually together in one package. I guess that is the freedom we are so busy defending in Syria and the rest of the universe.

After all, Nazism is just the absorption of Eugenics as invented in the Ivy League and Oxbridge. Bismark didn't come up with it. Moreover, it was almost a direct response of granting Italians automatic citizenship through most of the 1800s--politically motivated to begin with--and then the "experts" decided that "Meds" were lazy and moronic. Foot meet mouth?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
And you are a Nazi sympathiser

Mod note from Bill:

I don't want to further divert the thread from its main purpose (it mainly reports potentially important news and updates, as almost anything could happen in Ukraine or Russia at any time), but I felt it appropriate to note a few points here. The mods have been having quite a discussion about this behind the scenes, as one might imagine. (This is part of our job. )

I wrote this to Tintin, and I think this is true:

The issue is that Fellow Aspirant doesn't know he's a Nazi sympathizer. He's just hypnotized by western media PR, as so many millions are. He's like a representative of everyman, who happens to be on the forum. He's actually very polite most of the time. He's just plain wrong in everything he believes.

The wider issue, of course, is that Fellow Aspirant's views are shared by the majority of people in the collective west. So we're just seeing a microcosmic sample of it here. The problem is twofold:

1. The relentless media and political propaganda.
2. The lack of critical thinking. (And/or, maybe, the lack of TIME that most family men and women have to engage in any critical thinking at all.)

And there's also this factor, discussed in another thread:

• Social media discussion rarely changes anyone's minds.

So, sadly, the exchanges like the ones that Fellow Aspirant has been part of make practically no difference. They'll make no difference to him, and no difference to the great majority of members or guests who read them. And doubtless as a result of Tintin's executive decision to block him from this thread, that'll reinforce in his mind the belief that we're all pro-Putin bigots (or 'fan boys'!) who are just as wrong and propagandized as I personally am 100% certain he is himself.

So there's no way out. This thread also says quite a lot about this:

• Do you feel great sadness with world division?
  

And so does this one:

• Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it

~~~

My conclusion for now:

Part of the problem is certainly the 24/7 firehose of information (both correct and incorrect) that drowns us all every day. Part of that problem is this:

• "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

Most people, simply to maintain their stability and emotional comfort (in strictly psychological terms, this would be all about protecting the ego, i.e. preserving one's sense of self in the world), restrict and limit their absorption of new information, falling back on what they believe they already know and understand — and reinforcing that all the time.

So friends and families steadily becomes more and more divided. There seems to be nothing we can do about it. For those whose views are misguided (like those who tragically believed the claims of governments and big pharma about the effectiveness of the covid vaccine!), it may be that only major subsequent national and global developments can ever force a change of opinion — maybe many years later.

[Tintin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Tintin (here)
And you are a Nazi sympathiser

Mod note from Bill:

I don't want to further divert the thread from its main purpose (it mainly reports potentially important news and updates, as almost anything could happen in Ukraine or Russia at any time), but I felt it appropriate to note a few points here. The mods have been having quite a discussion about this behind the scenes, as one might imagine. (This is part of our job. )

I wrote this to Tintin, and I think this is true:

The issue is that Fellow Aspirant doesn't know he's a Nazi sympathizer. He's just hypnotized by western media PR, as so many millions are. He's like a representative of everyman, who happens to be on the forum. He's actually very polite most of the time. He's just plain wrong in everything he believes.

The wider issue, of course, is that Fellow Aspirant's views are shared by the majority of people in the collective west. So we're just seeing a microcosmic sample of it here. The problem is twofold:

1. The relentless media and political propaganda.
2. The lack of critical thinking. (And/or, maybe, the lack of TIME that most family men and women have to engage in any critical thinking at all.)

And there's also this factor, discussed in another thread:

• Social media discussion rarely changes anyone's minds.

So, sadly, the exchanges like the ones that Fellow Aspirant has been part of make practically no difference. They'll make no difference to him, and no difference to the great majority of members or guests who read them. And doubtless as a result of Tintin's executive decision to block him from this thread, that'll reinforce in his mind the belief that we're all pro-Putin bigots (or 'fan boys'!) who are just as wrong and propagandized as I personally am 100% certain he is himself.

So there's no way out. This thread also says quite a lot about this:

• Do you feel great sadness with world division?
  

And so does this one:

• Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it

~~~

My conclusion for now:

Part of the problem is certainly the 24/7 firehose of information (both correct and incorrect) that drowns us all every day. Part of that problem is this:

• "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

Most people, simply to maintain their stability and emotional comfort (in strictly psychological terms, this would be all about protecting the ego, i.e. preserving one's sense of self in the world), restrict and limit their absorption of new information, falling back on what they believe they already know and understand — and reinforcing that all the time.

So friends and families steadily becomes more and more divided. There seems to be nothing we can do about it. For those whose views are misguided (like those who tragically believed the claims of governments and big pharma about the effectiveness of the covid vaccine!), it may be that only major subsequent national and global developments can ever force a change of opinion — maybe many years later.

Thanks. Really nicely put too - 100% with that. I lost my temper but I had very patiently sat on my hands for what seemed ever so long, as I know you and others in the team had. I've little doubt that he's probably a kind and well intentioned soul actually. Perhaps my message was just a little too strong but it's done now.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I don't want to further divert the thread from its main purpose (it mainly reports potentially important news and updates, as almost anything could happen in Ukraine or Russia at any time

And sure enough, we have some overnight developments. I or others will post more later, but briefly:

• Ukraine's defensive lines south of Svatove have collapsed completely. There's now nothing at all to prevent the Russians from advancing to the Oskil river.
  This may seem like a small thing in a big conflict, but strategically and politically it has quite an impact on events. It's bad news for Zelensky and the collective west.

• There was a drone strike on Moscow, at 4 am local time, but there were no casualties.
  This is a tiny pinprick in the larger scheme of things, but is sure to elicit a definitive Russian response.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... Russian retaliation attacked NATO infrastructure arteries in ports on Danube River 2:51

Jul 24, 2023

MILITARY TUBE TODAY

The Russian retaliation struck infrastructure arteries of NATO America in the ports of Reni and Izmail on the left bank of Danube River in Odessa region. Missile and drone strikes destroyed weapons and equipment depots, fuel depots along with port infrastructure. This is access to the Black Sea, a supply line for weapons to the Kiev regime under the guise of a grain agreement.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=19zHX26Z14Y

[BMJ]

"Ukraine is DISINTEGRATING the hospitals are FULL" Col. MacGregor | Redacted w Clayton Morris

Redacted is back with a big update on military advancements in Ukraine as the western media runs out of lies to tell about the war. Col. Douglas MacGregor joins Redacted to discuss the latest breakthroughs in the war indicating that the "Europeans have had it" with this war. Events on the ground are beginning to overtake the carefully orchestrated charade in Kiev. So what now?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9l6AGTSBNpo