Lets go?! (almost)Free location found

Originally Posted by Samson

the translated version in Englisch
http://translate.google.com/translat...-8&sl=nl&tl=en

The place is not used for years. Eco farming is heavely subsidised in Norway.
And as i wrote i see lots of oppertunities here for a lot of ideas.

I am thinking that in lieu of rent they would expect a comprehensive maintenance arrangement so be sure to recruit craftspeople, woodworkers, painters, plumbers and electricians. Or people ready to learn such craft.

I wish I could go but I bring to much baggage as I care for old people (family). My plan is to retire in Denmark with my Danish cousins. I hope we still have air travel by then!

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by chatoyant

I am thinking that in lieu of rent they would expect a comprehensive maintenance arrangement so be sure to recruit craftspeople, woodworkers, painters, plumbers and electricians. Or people ready to learn such craft.

I wish I could go but I bring to much baggage as I care for old people (family). My plan is to retire in Denmark with my Danish cousins. I hope we still have air travel by then!

I'm a semi qualified carpeneter. Always knew it would come in handy.

[GaiaLove]

excerpt from that site:

Price
There is no rental or fixed farm payment. It does, however, have an agreement whereby the tenant / lessee is responsible for the maintenance of buildings and land. The most important for the regional council is that Rein Fjord Lille back in service and activities that take place again. A business plan is essential.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by GaiaLove

excerpt from that site:

Thank you.

Ahh, i will maintain the houses if someone does the business plan.

[Samson]

The business plan will be combined from our interests and ideas.
The intent is selfsufficient eco farming. Thats how we'll 'mainly plan to work and live.
Well run a restaurant, have cows, grow biological food. Tourism is a market.
Meditationcourses... how would you like to live?
What will it cost? Little if nothing. Well your ticket to get there is yours.
Thing is if we come up with a descent plan the local authorities are more then willing to let us have these abandoned places.
Much more interested people are needed, before i even consider to contact the authorities there again. The business plan is just ment to make sure we wont live on unemployment income there. (cant find the right word, and cant blame them)

[Jenny]

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=307

[Artemis]

hey...hey....hey....take it easy boy....lol

do you have any experience of that part of the world....

it is soo diffrent from the more populationdense parts of europe.....

can you live without any light in daytime for at least 2 month....complete darkness... lol... and during the summer have sunlight 24/7

the agricultural season is about 3 month.... and it is cold.....

do you consider that Norway is not part of EU and doesnt get any support from them...

do you consider that Norway is a quite expensive country to live in if you have income you will expect to take with you....

A pkt of cigarettes 8 euro..... a pizza 12 euro..... and many from Norway is shopping in Sweden if they live near enough... nearly half the prices....

I dont think they will leave the machines nessecery for farming... they cost a fortune....

It is few people living in that part of Norway.... is it enough people by tourism that will find the place for a restaurant for example......

I can list a lot of more.... but I think this is enough..... so find information and study the subject carefully.....

by the way... I am Swedish but have friends in Norway and have spend some time there....and have experience of the northen parts of scandinavia....

[Samson]

@artemis, and all.
It's a 4 season country. Yep.
Been there more then once and consider it to be one of the most beautiful countrys ive ever seen.
Anyone interested in starting a pizzeria?
You have to be high up North to find these months of winterdarkness...
But Hey if this pole shift comes we might live on the equator soon....lol
The migration information does not apply to us yet. If our intentions are good, we'll get a lot of help to overcome these formalities.
The machines needed for eco farming are subsidised.
Having 30 cows in a biological farm. Brings you 175.000 litres of milk a year that you can sell. There is a good marked for it. And youll
get 8000 Euro's a year subsidy.

Thousands of acres, a lot of buildings, fresh water..., all it takes is a lot of people that will take care of it, without demolishing it.
I really thought it would be easy to get people interested. So far only 5 are really interested.
If we think the "moneymakerssystem" is going to end, we'll have to get selfsufficient.
Sponsors are welcome, dont get me wrong there.
The idea is a free, open, durable, creative selfsufficient society...
We 4 us 4 a better future.
Cheesemakers, beekeepers, woodworkers... It takes a lot of people to make things easy.
This is not a 9 to 5 job. This a 24/7 way of life. It's a big step, i realise that and so should you.

imagine it this way...
We can have the key of an entire abandoned city if we promise to take care of ourselfs the buildings and the beautiful nature surrounding it.
This is not an utopian dream this is real and ours to realise.

So if you think this is interesting, say hi, and give this topic to others that might be interested!

A thousand times, PLEASE

[vipersocks]

Hi Samson,

What a wonderfull idea!

I'm a time served carpenter and joiner and building site manager now lecturing at College, so could provide the necessary skills for the benefit of the community.

I'll have to convince my better half though! Not sure she'd agree but I'll give it a go.

thanks

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

does it have old nuclear shelter facilities? what is it ex military?? im down with it but if war kicks off how will i get to norway from here.. i can take a boat i suppose.. there are 3 of us in group maybe 4.. norway wont be expensive by the time people have to go to this vilage since the globaL ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE IN 09 Anyway..keep me posted on thsi im very interested we need to be able to protect ourselves against neutron weappons...

[Rebel4Life]

Sounds fun but what is your take on this article :
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/59.html
So does that mean we get bunkers too? O.O

I am not trying to poo-poo on anyone's parade, but there are certain laws, national and international, that one might look into regarding property ownership and occupation before you make the thrust of this thread a viable alternative to dealing with the future right where you are.

"Local authorities in Norway" needs explaination - as the government of Norway is part of the, shall we say, global paradigm of unpleasantness. Ask Billy Mier - even he has issues with his regional "powers that be."

Besides, wherever you live, North or South America, Finland or Botswana, won't the people who live near you and survive what is coming need you the most? Won't you be the most capable to handle the needs of those you are familiar with?

Don't leave a region to join the like minded. Service to others (versus service to self) demands that you don't do what the threadmaker here is requesting - I think. I don't know. Just a thought. I would love to hear what you think.

[Carol]

Here is a site where folks can get instant translations. Enjoy

www.babelfish.yahoo.com

[VinnieCooper]

Weldone Samson. Its a Dream oppertunity for sure.

I've been working on Community Farming / Vocational Training in the UK For a couple of YEARS now. Funding it myself. Its boiled down to me offering free Micro-Farming Solutions to people for their gardens, and serving drinks @ MusicEvents.


We all have interests some of them similer some of them the same and some of them completely different.Thisplan should be able to satisfy them all.

Bussiness Plan. #1

Stage 1 - Sustain "Ground Crew"
Set aside maybe +/- 50 Acres of land to grow; Some Indigenous - North European, Grain and Root Vegetable's which will Constitute as the staple Diet of "GROUND CREW" Who could be LIVING ON SITE. (Perhaps Swede, Turnip, Oats, Rye. Possibly Onion, Leek, Cabbage and or Cauliflower)

Stage 2 - Commercial Agriculture
Using a variety of indigenous Berrys, we use up the rest of the Farming Land.
These Berry Bushes will be pollonated Via a Network of Beehive's which will also provide, two wonderful resourses; Honey & Wax, Oh and berry's.

Stage 3 - Processing Agricultural Resourses
After Establishing a Honey Processing Plant within the Compound, (Not difficult Extraction through centrifuge* - bacicly a series of cunningly adapted Pottery wheels) We turn our attention to the Bussiness of making MEAD or Honey Wine, using both the honey and the fruit. A portion of which we sell to pay for maintainence cost's as part of the contract or pay rent or pay off loan etc. The rest gives us capital for the Next Stage of the Plan. Also this gives us a means to suppliment* our staple diet. (One Possible Market is to sell at or too is the MUSIC EVENT's industry.)

Stage 4 - Vocational Training
Now with this Mead Based capital we employ Expertise in Our fields of interests, to Run Intensive Vocational Training Course's, for the GC. Aimed at providing us with the skills nessesary Teach the various Vocations ourselves. Possibly using our own certification Scheam.

Stage 5 - Vocation School.
With our newly aquired* skills we can then Run Courses ourselves FREE OF CHARGE to whomever is interested. Using the Ample Space afforded by the genorosity of the Norweigen Gov. Hence Providing a Worthwhile Service to the world. Using our Mead Capital and will power to expand the facilities. Everything else can be built up around this structure. Name some intersting Vocations, I can think of hundreds, to name but a few.

Stage 6 - Further Service's
The Space is there and could be well used in Conservation, Reintroduction, Breeding Programs for Endangered species; Such as The North European Lynx, Grey Wolf, Brown Bear, Bison?, Wolveine and or the European Beaver. Not to mention plants insects Reptiles etc.. This Could potentially draw various other oppertunities and interests. All Costs of tuition regarding this could again be offset Via Mead Sale's. If no other professionals Could provide the services required freely aspart of the GC.

Stage 7 - Expansion
Through Promotion of this template we could do similer work through out the world helping people to develop their cultures. Sustably, in subsitance based type fashion.

Stage 8 - Commercial Skills
Through Vocational Training we can also aquire Commercially useful skills, if we provide these skills as a free service sustained by food from similer projects, the world would eventully be run entirely on a volentary subsistance basis. ie no need for tax, too pay some body to work.

This has been a plan that I've been working on for a while now its simply been adapted to this situation.

The Finer Details are another story, but are fairly simple.
But for me they include complete Independance from Non-renewable Fuel's aside from emergency back up facilities.
Possibly The use of clean energy products such as Hydro Wind Tidal etc....We could also act as a Showroom for various Eco Technology's.

I'm very Interested in Expanding this with everybody here that's interested.

Also in the interest of diversity I'm Keen to use Only the indigenous Plants and Animals, and developing only Indigenous Culture' (Norway way has Plenty) as opposed to importing it.

SAMSON YOU ARE THE MAN Amazing oppertunity maybe the Avalon Founders Could Help us ?
I wont Pursue this Until I get some feedback from You but It would be nice to approach this together perhaps using Avalon as the official Vessle? What do you think? Thanks for your posting

Initial Over heads:-
Seeds
Beehives + Bee's (really not that scary...yeahright)
Supply's
Transport

Can i just say Sauna as well.

From Norwegian Horticultural research I find you can expect to yield about 2.53 tonnes of Berrys (RedCurrants + other berrys) per acre.

Peace & Love to you hope we can get things moving soon.

[Metamike]

Originally Posted by VinnieCooper

Bussiness Plan.


INDIGENOUS is the ONLY WAY. FULL STOP. Thats the lesson all to often forgotton. Indigenous = Diversity any other Idea = Mono-culture ie bland.

Work with the Indigenous Species, as they already work there why ruin their eco system? Then Process the Produce to add quality.


OBVIOUSLY You'd wouldn't rely on any fossil fuels.
You proberly wouldn't need a fridge.
End up doing the whole
Sauna.
Tipi.
Dogsledge.
skiing.
Boat Building.
Rune casting.
Stav.
& Mead.
Type thing.

Maybe get involved in endangered species Program ie LYNX and birds re-population projects etc...
Fishing Is likley to be quite good.

Lets get real here! I agree that you have to think a little more tribal and indegineous. So far we can only dream of not using wood here in Norway to heat our houses. Solar is good but It will not provide heat in the winter. Depending where you are - Also the winters here are not always that much snow. We are really not talking about a society that is meant to survive for ever. Only until the time that those that are going into the New world 4 density are ready to cross over. If you dont understand this. I can put you up to date.

Who am I - Photographer, graphic artist, painter, NLP - instructor - therapist, hypnotist, author, researcher - free energy - work with simple electronics, web design, carpenter have built 4 houses - fisher, hunter, kajakk padler, and spiritual advisor. I have some economic resources, but they have to be liquidized fairly soon to take advantage of the situation.

[VinnieCooper]

@MetaMan Your Right Meta... I was slightly Lax with my Terminology as regard Fossil Fuel's, I OBVIOUSLY ment to a Suggest a move away from Dependancy on Non-Renewable Fuels, of which Wood Would Consitute The main Body of..... the solution, aswell as perhaps Wind? as you suggested. potentially even Tidal energy due to numerous fjords off the Eastern coast of Norway.

Should I persure this, Which Realisticlly I want to. I'd be potentially bring

A NLP master practitioner (can teach instructors), Homeopath, Hypnotheripist, Nuclear Phyicist, Astrologer, First-aid, Cabinate maker, EX-REME (helicoptor engineer.) Lecturer.

A Chemist and quailified Pharmacist (Currantly works for UN), A Botanist, A Linguist, Farmer....Blah Blah Blah

I'm personally Proficient in all trades, Plumbing (not Gas), Carpentary (especilly in Constructional applications such as Roofing), Tiling, GroundWork, Plastering, Cabling and Bricklaying. I Have experiance in Micro Farming, event organising, Cold Call Canvassing, fundamental motor Mechanics, Welding Various team Sports etc...
Etc Etc Its not as big as Your List.........

But then Its not so much about what skills you've got, its more about what kind of Attitude you bring.

Humility important toremember. I know my capacity. for instance... Spelling is not one of my strong points, however patients canbe.

Everybody has a Skill Set, I bet the manSampson has loads of skills. I wouldn't care if he didn't, cause he seems like a sincere and motivated kind of a Dude keen to share productive Info ie teamplayer.

Thus Let go of your Ego.MetaMan
that last comment about me not being Realistic made me Angry. Because erh I found it Slightly Condasending. Because Well I'm quiteobviously being serious DONT APOLISIGE just Learn, you can thank me if you must

Oh by the way what part of Norway do you come From metaman?

[Metamike]

Originally Posted by VinnieCooper

Oh by the way what part of Norway do you come From metaman?

I live 45 km. just south of Oslo along the west side of the Oslo fjord - thats what is known as Eastland Østlandet. I think there some military sites available closer to Hamar in central south Norway.

As has been commented by others here. The Norwegian government is largely benevolent but there are exceptions. There would have to be an agreement somewhere where they just couldnt kick everybody out when ever it might serve their purpose.

Sounds like you come with good resources. What kind of orientation do you have to Survival/ascension - what country do you come from?

[urbe et orbe]

Norway is near from russia, huh?

Also near from doomsday seed vault?

I think it is not the best option...

But you have the right to choose! long live democracy...

Pax et Lux

[Metamike]

I have taken a long hard look at what is really available right now concerning Norwegian military buildings, land, and/or training facilities. When I first read this post, I imagined that there were some possibilities. I have seen facilities for sale at a reasonable price several years ago. That is not the case today. Since I am in Norway, know the language and culture, it is easy for me to do some digging. I found absolutely nothing here that fits the bill.

In the case of international emergencies,, there is always the possibility of Norway making available to refugees its refugee camps which are basically military. These are, however, more like internment camps and not the kind of thing you would want to leave your country for. You would never have a democratic say in how they are run or the kind of people you are living close to. It would only be a place to wait - for what ever.

Back to the drawing board.

PS should I see anything that pops up in my own searches, I'll let you know.

[Samson]

Thanx 4 all the response sofar. The location i'm talking about is not on the market yet, but does exist. I think i have to re-install skype or something because my phone bill must be huge by now.
The man i spoke with offered me a job and a house on a small eco cheese farm. Very tempting but didnt fall for it. (might change my mind over the weekend) He offered a wide range of oppertunities, from abandoned schools, trainstations and more. But dont get me wrong here. There is a lot available for free. That doesnt mean we can move in an sit on our *sses for the rest of our lives. You have to come up with a proper plan on how youre gonna make a living. As said before ecofarming is heavely sponsored in Norway.
We also have to be creative to work with and around the rules.
All i've learned sofar there is an long list of options and oppertunities.
Imagine yourself a big piece fertile land, lots of fresh water, and an abandoned village in the middle of it...How are you gonna make that work.
Well first of all you need a lot of people.

This is not an overnight decision. I do agree with one of the previous posters that this thread deserves some extra attention. I admit it does nerve me when i realise what i'm trying to get started. Can i handle it? Wont i mess it up? But then i think, Hey it's not me it's we that want this. So lets get started.

I'm curious about this octobersurprise. But we temp to step from one doom story into the other. I think this 4th dimensional thing is that we'll have to be want we to see. Thats the change!
Step out of your fear-mode, and get in your creative-mode.

To give you an idea. Planning preparing and realising this will take months!
So it'll probably be spring next year, before we're ready.
For most of us this will be one of the biggest steps in our lifes.

Now i'm gonne open google earth to have look at the location.

Ill try to write again very soon.

[joet1980]

I'm also very interested in this and it sounds like something I would love to be a part of. Just gonna leave my email here.


bobfugy@yahoo.com

Intriguing idea....I discussed something like this on another website but it didn't really get anywhere...I'll advertise the thread there and see what comes of it.

Would be awesome!!

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Thank you.

Ahh, i will maintain the houses if someone does the business plan.

I'll help!
I can lay bricks, plaster and I'm as handy as hell with timber and my hobby is gardening!

What do you think about:
George Green:
Project Camelot Phone Interview?
The whole Nothern Hemisphere will be **** up so you can't live there!?

[Samson]

I just cant get my head out of the 700 billion bailout. I consider it to be the biggest theft in human history. This is a short clear newsitem about the dept. (9 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H99Kl...eature=related

The current steps taken do not make any sence.

I think the poleshift is a known certainty. The wobble will cause waves so high you cant even imagine. The Russian boy Boriska is right about that.

I also think that if this criminal bailout doesnt wake you up, nothing will.

The system is 100% f*cked up!

The location Reinfjord Lille that i was talking about when i started this is no longer available. The current one doesnt interest me really. Its the base below Salangen.

I have given it more then a thought. But cant see it work out...

This "october surprise" might be much bigger then we think. But it wont be the wave.

Prepare your body and soul for a no money society. It ll be chaotic! soon. Very soon.

I hope to be proven wrong, but i am right.(?)

There is not a single cell left in me that wants to cooperate with the system.
Because we are not included...

We are driving ourselves into total destruction with 180 miles an hour.
Americans would have to pay 110% income tax just to pay their bills.
It wont happen, so get ready for the worst.

I want to solve this, and adapting to local laws wont solve anything.
This crisis wont just disapear overnight. No matter how hard you wish.

Ill translate some of my previous writings in the past and post them here soon.

Salangen is not what i had in mind when i started this.
We can change what is happening. But we cant stop it anymore.

We are taken care of, and that is not positive.

We are in a war, but i wont fight!