Lets go?! (almost)Free location found

VinnieCooper · 09-25-2008, 01:03 PM

@MetaMan Your Right Meta... I was slightly Lax with my Terminology as regard Fossil Fuel's, I OBVIOUSLY ment to a Suggest a move away from Dependancy on Non-Renewable Fuels, of which Wood Would Consitute The main Body of..... the solution, aswell as perhaps Wind? as you suggested. potentially even Tidal energy due to numerous fjords off the Eastern coast of Norway.

Should I persure this, Which Realisticlly I want to. I'd be potentially bring

A NLP master practitioner (can teach instructors), Homeopath, Hypnotheripist, Nuclear Phyicist, Astrologer, First-aid, Cabinate maker, EX-REME (helicoptor engineer.) Lecturer.

A Chemist and quailified Pharmacist (Currantly works for UN), A Botanist, A Linguist, Farmer....Blah Blah Blah

I'm personally Proficient in all trades, Plumbing (not Gas), Carpentary (especilly in Constructional applications such as Roofing), Tiling, GroundWork, Plastering, Cabling and Bricklaying. I Have experiance in Micro Farming, event organising, Cold Call Canvassing, fundamental motor Mechanics, Welding Various team Sports etc...
Etc Etc

Its not as big as Your List.........

But then Its not so much about what skills you've got, its more about what kind of Attitude you bring.

Humility important toremember. I know my capacity. for instance... Spelling is not one of my strong points, however patients canbe.

Everybody has a Skill Set, I bet the manSampson has loads of skills. I wouldn't care if he didn't, cause he seems like a sincere and motivated kind of a Dude keen to share productive Info ie teamplayer.

Thus Let go of your Ego.MetaMan
that last comment about me not being Realistic made me Angry. Because erh I found it Slightly Condasending. Because Well I'm quiteobviously being serious DONT APOLISIGE just Learn, you can thank me if you must

Oh by the way what part of Norway do you come From metaman?

Metamike · 09-25-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnieCooper

Oh by the way what part of Norway do you come From metaman?

I live 45 km. just south of Oslo along the west side of the Oslo fjord - thats what is known as Eastland Østlandet. I think there some military sites available closer to Hamar in central south Norway.

As has been commented by others here. The Norwegian government is largely benevolent but there are exceptions. There would have to be an agreement somewhere where they just couldnt kick everybody out when ever it might serve their purpose.

Sounds like you come with good resources. What kind of orientation do you have to Survival/ascension - what country do you come from?

urbe et orbe · 09-25-2008, 09:16 PM

Norway is near from russia, huh?

Also near from doomsday seed vault?

I think it is not the best option...

But you have the right to choose! long live democracy...

Pax et Lux

Metamike · 09-26-2008, 05:58 AM

I have taken a long hard look at what is really available right now concerning Norwegian military buildings, land, and/or training facilities. When I first read this post, I imagined that there were some possibilities. I have seen facilities for sale at a reasonable price several years ago. That is not the case today. Since I am in Norway, know the language and culture, it is easy for me to do some digging. I found absolutely nothing here that fits the bill.

In the case of international emergencies,, there is always the possibility of Norway making available to refugees its refugee camps which are basically military. These are, however, more like internment camps and not the kind of thing you would want to leave your country for. You would never have a democratic say in how they are run or the kind of people you are living close to. It would only be a place to wait - for what ever.

Back to the drawing board.

PS should I see anything that pops up in my own searches, I'll let you know.

Samson · 09-26-2008, 01:22 PM

Thanx 4 all the response sofar. The location i'm talking about is not on the market yet, but does exist. I think i have to re-install skype or something because my phone bill must be huge by now.

The man i spoke with offered me a job and a house on a small eco cheese farm. Very tempting but didnt fall for it. (might change my mind over the weekend) He offered a wide range of oppertunities, from abandoned schools, trainstations and more. But dont get me wrong here. There is a lot available for free. That doesnt mean we can move in an sit on our *sses for the rest of our lives. You have to come up with a proper plan on how youre gonna make a living. As said before ecofarming is heavely sponsored in Norway.
We also have to be creative to work with and around the rules.
All i've learned sofar there is an long list of options and oppertunities.
Imagine yourself a big piece fertile land, lots of fresh water, and an abandoned village in the middle of it...How are you gonna make that work.
Well first of all you need a lot of people.

This is not an overnight decision. I do agree with one of the previous posters that this thread deserves some extra attention. I admit it does nerve me when i realise what i'm trying to get started. Can i handle it? Wont i mess it up? But then i think, Hey it's not me it's we that want this. So lets get started.

I'm curious about this octobersurprise

. But we temp to step from one doom story into the other. I think this 4th dimensional thing is that we'll have to be want we to see. Thats the change!
Step out of your fear-mode, and get in your creative-mode.

To give you an idea. Planning preparing and realising this will take months!
So it'll probably be spring next year, before we're ready.
For most of us this will be one of the biggest steps in our lifes.

Now i'm gonne open google earth to have look at the location.

Ill try to write again very soon.

joet1980 · 09-26-2008, 02:14 PM

I'm also very interested in this and it sounds like something I would love to be a part of. Just gonna leave my email here.

bobfugy@yahoo.com

09-26-2008, 02:35 PM

Intriguing idea....I discussed something like this on another website but it didn't really get anywhere...I'll advertise the thread there and see what comes of it.

Would be awesome!!

Samson · 09-26-2008, 02:50 PM

[ATTACH]the place.JPG[/ATTACH]

Cant make it fit, but this is most of it. You can see a small river on the right side.
There is less grassland then i was hoping for. I see lakes even bunkers on the left.
If youre really smart you might find out where this is. The deal aint done yet so...

The first location was 10 times more beautiful then this one. But this one has a bunker. click to see the pictures big.

uranian · 09-26-2008, 05:42 PM

very interested in this. englishman living in norway with a wife and toddler. wife less convinced the further north the location is (she's the norwegian, too!). clearly if things go as badly as they might, that's not a concern, other than the growing season's length.

can contribute non-hybrid organic seeds, some permaculture/organic knowledge and great willingness to work with farming. bunch of other stuff too, but that's probably the most directly useful skill (how many astrologers would this would be community need??)

Samson · 09-27-2008, 10:08 AM

This location is offered to me as an alternative, but this location is way up north (and is very different from the one i had in mind when i started this)
That means de sun wont go down for six weeks a year
and it wont come up for the same period of time.
The only thing i can think of here is to make it a fish farm. (trouts)
The fresh water supply comes from the river.
You can make it a million Euro bizzness.
The conditions are perfect for it.
But do i want to run a fish farm?
Well i do like to make a million Euro's. ( who wants dollars these days?)

How much time does it take to feed fish?
That's your working day!
Piece of cake.

The forrest can provide the food for the maggots we have to grow to feed the fish.
Well i think it's a good idea that might work. I'd love to hear what you would like to create here.

I rest my case here. Thing is, i dont think i can handle the six weeks of total darkness each winter up there.

This is what my fear mode shouts at me;
We live in a f*cked up system. And call the system everything it aint.
Civilized free democratic...
We live in the landowners age. They think it is theirs and we accept that.
In order to have food and shelter we must work 40 years of our lives 40 hours a week 40 weeks a year.
And the landowners will push us trough to 50 50 50. It is theirs, that is how they see it.
They do see us as life stock and of no use.

We are taken care of. Yep...The doom i dont wanne see seems inevitable quite often.
I try to be optimistic but i cant. Knowing what's going on in our world makes me feel responsible.
The 700 billion bail out for the bankers is a reverse Robin Hood action.
Those billions are stolen from the poor and disappear in the bankers pockets.
Its just one of the major scams that are going on these days.
Today i'm back to where i am used to be. Desperate.
Because we dont stop them they'll push us all the way trough the minced mill.
To often i wonder if i want to survive the mess that's so obviously coming up?

I'm glad that i'm aware of the fact that i am an eternal soul. One's i've left this body i can go on exploring the whole universe as i did before.

To turn the location into a fish farm feels like the right thing to do, but i cannot convince myself i want to go there...
I'll step out of this thread for a vew days now. I have to make up my mind if i want the job i've been offered, and so much more.

Ideas are welcome. I hope you can understand the dillemma.
Let's keep on paving the path into a bright future.

New locations will pop up whether or not we will accept this one. Your mails are read, and you will be contacted soon as things develop...
And i will be back here in a couple of days.
Thank you all for getting this started.

gazbom · 09-27-2008, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson

This location is offered to me as an alternative, but this location is way up north (and is very different from the one i had in mind when i started this)
That means de sun wont go down for six weeks a year
and it wont come up for the same period of time.
The only thing i can think of here is to make it a fish farm. (trouts)
The fresh water supply comes from the river.
You can make it a million Euro bizzness.
The conditions are perfect for it.
But do i want to run a fish farm?
Well i do like to make a million Euro's. ( who wants dollars these days?)

How much time does it take to feed fish?
That's your working day!
Piece of cake.

The forrest can provide the food for the maggots we have to grow to feed the fish.
Well i think it's a good idea that might work. I'd love to hear what you would like to create here.

I rest my case here. Thing is, i dont think i can handle the six weeks of total darkness each winter up there.

This is what my fear mode shouts at me;
We live in a f*cked up system. And call the system everything it aint.
Civilized free democratic...
We live in the landowners age. They think it is theirs and we accept that.
In order to have food and shelter we must work 40 years of our lives 40 hours a week 40 weeks a year.
And the landowners will push us trough to 50 50 50. It is theirs, that is how they see it.
They do see us as life stock and of no use.

We are taken care of. Yep...The doom i dont wanne see seems inevitable quite often.
I try to be optimistic but i cant. Knowing what's going on in our world makes me feel responsible.
The 700 billion bail out for the bankers is a reverse Robin Hood action.
Those billions are stolen from the poor and disappear in the bankers pockets.
Its just one of the major scams that are going on these days.
Today i'm back to where i am used to be. Desperate.
Because we dont stop them they'll push us all the way trough the minced mill.
To often i wonder if i want to survive the mess that's so obviously coming up?

I'm glad that i'm aware of the fact that i am an eternal soul. One's i've left this body i can go on exploring the whole universe as i did before.

To turn the location into a fish farm feels like the right thing to do, but i cannot convince myself i want to go there...
I'll step out of this thread for a vew days now. I have to make up my mind if i want the job i've been offered, and so much more.

Ideas are welcome. I hope you can understand the dillemma.
Let's keep on paving the path into a bright future.

New locations will pop up whether or not we will accept this one. Your mails are read, and you will be contacted soon as things develop...
And i will be back here in a couple of days.
Thank you all for getting this started.

A fish farm needs more than maggot's, their are parasite problems and the water needs to be cleaned, constantly, we need a Doctor, nurses, electricians, plumbers, builders, we need to be able to grow vegetables, we need chickens, pigs, cows, not to mention generators we need to be super self sufficient, tractors, buses and we need to combat the cold!

VinnieCooper · 09-27-2008, 11:06 PM

Norwegion Fish Farm Hmm... there would have to be somthing on the side funded by the fish farm for me to be Interested Like endangered Species Breeding Program or somthing. Humans

or Lynx I Guess Would Be a nice Idea But I Am UK so still Torn about leaving my "Work" Here.

Just found Out there's a Nuclear fall out shelter less than 5 minutes away from my currant situation in UK, right next to an Old Quarry / Nature Reserve full of lakes etc... Emergency Southern Air command Center I think. Plus some Caves nearby also.

Makes me very nervous about who might turn up there in an emergency Situation.

We've got some travellers near buy at Pendle militery Base, I might Just go and Live there, I'm used to working with them anyway.

But for this Norway Project, KALE would be a useful Vegetable, and Can grow even Under Snowy Conditions. Brewing Alcohol is another Vice worthy of Investigation
How about Trout Vodka ??

Combat the Cold With a Sauna.
Combat Transport Issues with Dog Sledging Skiing And ReinDeers.

Wonder about the Aurora Borealis ?

Obviously would be taking my "own" Women, Dr. STranGE LoVE, Style.

Dont mind Working all Day For Women/Children but Proberly Not so Interested in Working Long Cold Hard Days For Mysticaly skilled fella's... Unless they speak Norwegian. LeadWorkes?

Samson · 09-28-2008, 08:41 PM

The700 billion bail-out has been approved...
It's nothing more or less then a signature into the end of civilization as we know it!
If we are lucky it buys us some time.
Just try to understand the amount of money involved! 700 billion...
The working class hero's have to work 1 years nonstop just to pay back this bill.
The total bill is 11 years years of nonstop working now.
It wont happen it is a 100% certainty now.
Trouts need more then maggots, true. But trouts (salmons) do not even get maggots because maggots are to expensive!
The water comes from an endless stream from higher grounds, it is drinkable water, that will endlessly stream into the ocean within a vew miles.
Just let the water flow trough the bassins, and keep the fish in, thats really all it takes.
The water temperature wont allow parasites. Parasites are only a problem for farming trouts in warmer water.
I havent even planned this but as far as i know there is not even ONE ecological fish farm in the world!!!
Alcohol can be brewed from almost everything. It will cost you a fortune if you want to buy it in Norway. (been there)
We wont get permission, but we will make our own as far as i'm concerned.
I have said i dont really like this alternative location.
But a trout farm on this location, is the perfect thing to do with it.
If we would not have a single penny we would have to dig these bassins by hand,
20 people, 20 grand, and 1 year with or without any major catastrophe will make this a "million dollar" bizzniss.
Farming trouts in Spain is as stupid as growing pineapples in Norway.
Both are done today!
1 billion people alive today didnt have ONE meal today.
Trout farming is what you CAN do on this location.
Other farmings need more knowledge and maybe more care.
This part of the world makes birds fly 5000 miles WHY?!!!
Experimenting with all you think is possible is what gives you the ticket.
Have found 50 jobs on the spot already. (within miles)
KALE? Dont know anything about it. Love to know more.
Pigs and chickens will work.
Cows wont reasonably make it on this spot.
What it takes is some reasonable planning on the fresh water flow....
Look at the buildings (bassins) What does it take to make a by-pass on the river?
Remember, this is not mine! This is ours to have if we can take care of it.
I ve read about several caves on the spot no one ever explored.
Breeding endagered or experimantal species is what this is all about.
Basic in this topic is (should be) WE have to be the change.
This is what ive been offered here and i am working on.
Trouts grow perfectly here, lets grow trouts.
I know of simular sized properties in Spain.
In Spain it wont rain...You wont freeze there either.
Yep
Stay in your lazy chair pretend 2b not aware.
Ive just been informed obout property in Poland....
twentythousand acres....
The 700 billion bailout is begging me to solve it.
I cant.
It is f*cked up.
Zoom zoom, Zennn.
Ostrichs.(struisvogels)
Ive reached my point of no return.
I am what i am
its right.
Im easy to scare
but i SAM i AM aware...
Truth is. You can kill my body.
You can destroy this planet.
But you cannot destroy the idea.
We and us are being taken care of right now.
We and us have 3 years and 3 months from here.
From there on we can see we were right.
So go ahead and shoot me
its only about eternity
right?
Any opinion can and and will destruct you in the name of law...
What law?

Not all the people are dumbed down yet...

Me working on a cheese farm... i think i ll take the job

Swamisalami · 09-28-2008, 09:24 PM

Upnorth the water is frozen half the year.

Fish is coldblooded. This means they don't have a heatingsystem like human have to stay at a certain temperature. When the water is cold the tempurature of the fish is the same as the water. They wont feed because the don't "burn" energy. You need an ax to get to your fish. When you finally have one you have burnt more energy then theres in the fishy.

Fish out of fishfarm are genetically manipulated (genes removed) so they will grow in one year as fat as they would grow in the wild in seven years. For every kg of fish you will have to feed them 2 kg of food. Were will you get that?

Some peoples think fishfarms are the answer to a lot of problems but thats a big lie! The fisstocks in the ocean will go dubble as fast with all those farms. Most of the fishfarms are in the estuaria of rivers. They cause big havoc and disease in those rivers. because of used antibiotics which causes all kind of parasites to get resistent and kill off the fishstocks in the rivers.

Take a lot of vitamine D3 with you because there won't be much sunlight.

Still in the summer it would be a great place to be. There are suffient river with a lot fish in it (and insects!). If you catch them during the summertime and conserve (smoke) you will have fatty food during the winter. There's a lot of wild live which you could hunt.

09-25-2008, 01:03 PM	#1
VinnieCooper Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: South-East UK Posts: 31	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found @MetaMan Your Right Meta... I was slightly Lax with my Terminology as regard Fossil Fuel's, I OBVIOUSLY ment to a Suggest a move away from Dependancy on Non-Renewable Fuels, of which Wood Would Consitute The main Body of..... the solution, aswell as perhaps Wind? as you suggested. potentially even Tidal energy due to numerous fjords off the Eastern coast of Norway. Should I persure this, Which Realisticlly I want to. I'd be potentially bring A NLP master practitioner (can teach instructors), Homeopath, Hypnotheripist, Nuclear Phyicist, Astrologer, First-aid, Cabinate maker, EX-REME (helicoptor engineer.) Lecturer. A Chemist and quailified Pharmacist (Currantly works for UN), A Botanist, A Linguist, Farmer....Blah Blah Blah I'm personally Proficient in all trades, Plumbing (not Gas), Carpentary (especilly in Constructional applications such as Roofing), Tiling, GroundWork, Plastering, Cabling and Bricklaying. I Have experiance in Micro Farming, event organising, Cold Call Canvassing, fundamental motor Mechanics, Welding Various team Sports etc... Etc Etc Its not as big as Your List......... But then Its not so much about what skills you've got, its more about what kind of Attitude you bring. Humility important toremember. I know my capacity. for instance... Spelling is not one of my strong points, however patients canbe. Everybody has a Skill Set, I bet the manSampson has loads of skills. I wouldn't care if he didn't, cause he seems like a sincere and motivated kind of a Dude keen to share productive Info ie teamplayer. Thus Let go of your Ego.MetaMan that last comment about me not being Realistic made me Angry. Because erh I found it Slightly Condasending. Because Well I'm quiteobviously being serious DONT APOLISIGE just Learn, you can thank me if you must Oh by the way what part of Norway do you come From metaman?

09-25-2008, 09:16 PM	#3
urbe et orbe Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found Norway is near from russia, huh? Also near from doomsday seed vault? I think it is not the best option... But you have the right to choose! long live democracy... Pax et Lux

09-26-2008, 05:58 AM	#4
Metamike Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 65	There is nothing here that fits the bill I have taken a long hard look at what is really available right now concerning Norwegian military buildings, land, and/or training facilities. When I first read this post, I imagined that there were some possibilities. I have seen facilities for sale at a reasonable price several years ago. That is not the case today. Since I am in Norway, know the language and culture, it is easy for me to do some digging. I found absolutely nothing here that fits the bill. In the case of international emergencies,, there is always the possibility of Norway making available to refugees its refugee camps which are basically military. These are, however, more like internment camps and not the kind of thing you would want to leave your country for. You would never have a democratic say in how they are run or the kind of people you are living close to. It would only be a place to wait - for what ever. Back to the drawing board. PS should I see anything that pops up in my own searches, I'll let you know.

09-26-2008, 01:22 PM	#5
Samson Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 34	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found Thanx 4 all the response sofar. The location i'm talking about is not on the market yet, but does exist. I think i have to re-install skype or something because my phone bill must be huge by now. The man i spoke with offered me a job and a house on a small eco cheese farm. Very tempting but didnt fall for it. (might change my mind over the weekend) He offered a wide range of oppertunities, from abandoned schools, trainstations and more. But dont get me wrong here. There is a lot available for free. That doesnt mean we can move in an sit on our sses for the rest of our lives. You have to come up with a proper plan on how youre gonna make a living. As said before ecofarming is heavely sponsored in Norway. We also have to be creative to work with and around the rules. All i've learned sofar there is an long list of options and oppertunities. Imagine yourself a big piece fertile land, lots of fresh water, and an abandoned village in the middle of it...How are you gonna make that work. Well first of all you need a lot of people. This is not an overnight decision. I do agree with one of the previous posters that this thread deserves some extra attention. I admit it does nerve me when i realise what i'm trying to get started. Can i handle it? Wont i mess it up? But then i think, Hey it's not me it's we that want this. So lets get started. I'm curious about this octobersurprise. But we temp to step from one doom story into the other. I think this 4th dimensional thing is that we'll have to be want we to see. Thats the change! Step out of your fear-mode, and get in your creative-mode. To give you an idea. Planning preparing and realising this will take months! So it'll probably be spring next year, before we're ready. For most of us this will be one of the biggest steps in our lifes. Now i'm gonne open google earth to have look at the location. Ill try to write again very soon. Last edited by Samson; 09-26-2008 at 01:24 PM.*

09-26-2008, 02:14 PM	#6
joet1980 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 23	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found I'm also very interested in this and it sounds like something I would love to be a part of. Just gonna leave my email here. bobfugy@yahoo.com

09-26-2008, 02:35 PM	#7
Pete2403 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found Intriguing idea....I discussed something like this on another website but it didn't really get anywhere...I'll advertise the thread there and see what comes of it. Would be awesome!!

09-26-2008, 05:42 PM	#9
uranian Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 20	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found very interested in this. englishman living in norway with a wife and toddler. wife less convinced the further north the location is (she's the norwegian, too!). clearly if things go as badly as they might, that's not a concern, other than the growing season's length. can contribute non-hybrid organic seeds, some permaculture/organic knowledge and great willingness to work with farming. bunch of other stuff too, but that's probably the most directly useful skill (how many astrologers would this would be community need??)

09-27-2008, 10:08 AM	#10
Samson Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 34	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found This location is offered to me as an alternative, but this location is way up north (and is very different from the one i had in mind when i started this) That means de sun wont go down for six weeks a year and it wont come up for the same period of time. The only thing i can think of here is to make it a fish farm. (trouts) The fresh water supply comes from the river. You can make it a million Euro bizzness. The conditions are perfect for it. But do i want to run a fish farm? Well i do like to make a million Euro's. ( who wants dollars these days?) How much time does it take to feed fish? That's your working day! Piece of cake. The forrest can provide the food for the maggots we have to grow to feed the fish. Well i think it's a good idea that might work. I'd love to hear what you would like to create here. I rest my case here. Thing is, i dont think i can handle the six weeks of total darkness each winter up there. This is what my fear mode shouts at me; We live in a f*cked up system. And call the system everything it aint. Civilized free democratic... We live in the landowners age. They think it is theirs and we accept that. In order to have food and shelter we must work 40 years of our lives 40 hours a week 40 weeks a year. And the landowners will push us trough to 50 50 50. It is theirs, that is how they see it. They do see us as life stock and of no use. We are taken care of. Yep...The doom i dont wanne see seems inevitable quite often. I try to be optimistic but i cant. Knowing what's going on in our world makes me feel responsible. The 700 billion bail out for the bankers is a reverse Robin Hood action. Those billions are stolen from the poor and disappear in the bankers pockets. Its just one of the major scams that are going on these days. Today i'm back to where i am used to be. Desperate. Because we dont stop them they'll push us all the way trough the minced mill. To often i wonder if i want to survive the mess that's so obviously coming up? I'm glad that i'm aware of the fact that i am an eternal soul. One's i've left this body i can go on exploring the whole universe as i did before. To turn the location into a fish farm feels like the right thing to do, but i cannot convince myself i want to go there... I'll step out of this thread for a vew days now. I have to make up my mind if i want the job i've been offered, and so much more. Ideas are welcome. I hope you can understand the dillemma. Let's keep on paving the path into a bright future. New locations will pop up whether or not we will accept this one. Your mails are read, and you will be contacted soon as things develop... And i will be back here in a couple of days. Thank you all for getting this started.

09-27-2008, 11:06 PM	#12
VinnieCooper Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: South-East UK Posts: 31	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found Norwegion Fish Farm Hmm... there would have to be somthing on the side funded by the fish farm for me to be Interested Like endangered Species Breeding Program or somthing. Humans or Lynx I Guess Would Be a nice Idea But I Am UK so still Torn about leaving my "Work" Here. Just found Out there's a Nuclear fall out shelter less than 5 minutes away from my currant situation in UK, right next to an Old Quarry / Nature Reserve full of lakes etc... Emergency Southern Air command Center I think. Plus some Caves nearby also. Makes me very nervous about who might turn up there in an emergency Situation. We've got some travellers near buy at Pendle militery Base, I might Just go and Live there, I'm used to working with them anyway. But for this Norway Project, KALE would be a useful Vegetable, and Can grow even Under Snowy Conditions. Brewing Alcohol is another Vice worthy of Investigation How about Trout Vodka ?? Combat the Cold With a Sauna. Combat Transport Issues with Dog Sledging Skiing And ReinDeers. Wonder about the Aurora Borealis ? Obviously would be taking my "own" Women, Dr. STranGE LoVE, Style. Dont mind Working all Day For Women/Children but Proberly Not so Interested in Working Long Cold Hard Days For Mysticaly skilled fella's... Unless they speak Norwegian. LeadWorkes? Last edited by VinnieCooper; 09-27-2008 at 11:42 PM.

09-28-2008, 08:41 PM	#13
Samson Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 34	Shock doc The700 billion bail-out has been approved... It's nothing more or less then a signature into the end of civilization as we know it! If we are lucky it buys us some time. Just try to understand the amount of money involved! 700 billion... The working class hero's have to work 1 years nonstop just to pay back this bill. The total bill is 11 years years of nonstop working now. It wont happen it is a 100% certainty now. Trouts need more then maggots, true. But trouts (salmons) do not even get maggots because maggots are to expensive! The water comes from an endless stream from higher grounds, it is drinkable water, that will endlessly stream into the ocean within a vew miles. Just let the water flow trough the bassins, and keep the fish in, thats really all it takes. The water temperature wont allow parasites. Parasites are only a problem for farming trouts in warmer water. I havent even planned this but as far as i know there is not even ONE ecological fish farm in the world!!! Alcohol can be brewed from almost everything. It will cost you a fortune if you want to buy it in Norway. (been there) We wont get permission, but we will make our own as far as i'm concerned. I have said i dont really like this alternative location. But a trout farm on this location, is the perfect thing to do with it. If we would not have a single penny we would have to dig these bassins by hand, 20 people, 20 grand, and 1 year with or without any major catastrophe will make this a "million dollar" bizzniss. Farming trouts in Spain is as stupid as growing pineapples in Norway. Both are done today! 1 billion people alive today didnt have ONE meal today. Trout farming is what you CAN do on this location. Other farmings need more knowledge and maybe more care. This part of the world makes birds fly 5000 miles WHY?!!! Experimenting with all you think is possible is what gives you the ticket. Have found 50 jobs on the spot already. (within miles) KALE? Dont know anything about it. Love to know more. Pigs and chickens will work. Cows wont reasonably make it on this spot. What it takes is some reasonable planning on the fresh water flow.... Look at the buildings (bassins) What does it take to make a by-pass on the river? Remember, this is not mine! This is ours to have if we can take care of it. I ve read about several caves on the spot no one ever explored. Breeding endagered or experimantal species is what this is all about. Basic in this topic is (should be) WE have to be the change. This is what ive been offered here and i am working on. Trouts grow perfectly here, lets grow trouts. I know of simular sized properties in Spain. In Spain it wont rain...You wont freeze there either. Yep Stay in your lazy chair pretend 2b not aware. Ive just been informed obout property in Poland.... twentythousand acres.... The 700 billion bailout is begging me to solve it. I cant. It is fcked up. Zoom zoom, Zennn. Ostrichs.(struisvogels) Ive reached my point of no return. I am what i am its right. Im easy to scare but i SAM i AM aware... Truth is. You can kill my body. You can destroy this planet. But you cannot destroy the idea. We and us are being taken care of right now. We and us have 3 years and 3 months from here. From there on we can see we were right. So go ahead and shoot me its only about eternity right? Any opinion can and and will destruct you in the name of law... What law? Not all the people are dumbed down yet... Me working on a cheese farm... i think i ll take the job Last edited by Samson; 09-29-2008 at 06:52 AM.*

09-28-2008, 09:24 PM	#14
Swamisalami Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 158	Re: Lets go?! (almost)Free location found Upnorth the water is frozen half the year. Fish is coldblooded. This means they don't have a heatingsystem like human have to stay at a certain temperature. When the water is cold the tempurature of the fish is the same as the water. They wont feed because the don't "burn" energy. You need an ax to get to your fish. When you finally have one you have burnt more energy then theres in the fishy. Fish out of fishfarm are genetically manipulated (genes removed) so they will grow in one year as fat as they would grow in the wild in seven years. For every kg of fish you will have to feed them 2 kg of food. Were will you get that? Some peoples think fishfarms are the answer to a lot of problems but thats a big lie! The fisstocks in the ocean will go dubble as fast with all those farms. Most of the fishfarms are in the estuaria of rivers. They cause big havoc and disease in those rivers. because of used antibiotics which causes all kind of parasites to get resistent and kill off the fishstocks in the rivers. Take a lot of vitamine D3 with you because there won't be much sunlight. Still in the summer it would be a great place to be. There are suffient river with a lot fish in it (and insects!). If you catch them during the summertime and conserve (smoke) you will have fatty food during the winter. There's a lot of wild live which you could hunt.