Russian and US satellites collide

[Newshound]

US and Russian satellites collide in space, creating a cloud of debris above Siberia in the first such reported mishap.

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I have merged the 3 threads about this into the first one posted~Kathleen

[Steve_A]

Hi Henry Deacon,

Firstly, it's good to 'see' you back on the forums. Your health must be getting a little better.

The satelites crashing could have been merely an accident, however, both were relatively old satelites, the Russian one apparently decomissioned and the other around ten years old.

It doesn't seem that one nor the other veered off track and it's interesting that neither side appears to be very upset about the incident. Normally at least one side would try and cry 'foul'.

The collision occurred above Siberia, which is a remotely populated area, a sort of mid Pacific Ocean - where they tested nuclear bombs - only in space, clear sky for observations.

I understand that the US will create an explosion on the moon later this year, also using older equipment, as NASA says in search of water to justify the building of a moonbase there.

Could it be that these actions are related, or just happen as par for the course? Is it a common occurrance for satelites to hit each other - the fact that it isn't reported in the press doesn't mean to say that it never happens?

Could it be that both companies just wanted to get rid of old equipment? Did the telephone company need to upgrade their equipment anyway?

Is, or will there be a clean up of old satelites to make room for more powerful ones? Is it the first tentative efforts to create a new Star Wars program?

I suppose only time will tell...

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Henry Deacon

Exciting, Mysterious, fear-instilling, Audience bringing:

The collision was a coincidence (?) .

A commercially utilized satellite (?).

A backup for DISA (?)

It may take a Month to move a backup into the same orbit as Number 33. - poss use in ɪˈræk, remote polar sites, etc. and for alt-route OTH "" data links.

http://www.heavens-above.com/orbit.a...r&alt=1&tz=CET


http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1...2137937,00.htm





Calling all MENSA

[Dantheman62]

According to an e-mail alert issued by NASA today, Russia's Cosmos 2251 satellite slammed into the Iridium craft at 11:55 a.m. EST (0455 GMT) over Siberia at an altitude of 490 miles (790 km). The incident was observed by the U.S. Defense Department's Space Surveillance Network, which later was tracking two large clouds of debris.


This is the first time we've ever had two intact spacecraft accidentally run into each other," said Nicholas Johnson, chief scientist of NASA's Orbital Debris Program Office at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. "It was a bad day for both of them."


The collision appears to be the worst space debris event since China intentionally destroyed one of its aging weather satellites during a 2007 anti-satellite test, Johnson told SPACE.com. That 2007 event has since left about 2,500 pieces of debris in Earth orbit, but more time is needed to pin down the extent of Tuesday's satellite collision, he added.


"We're tracking more than 500 pieces of debris which pose an additional risk to satellites," said U.S. Navy Lt. Charlie Drey, a spokesperson for the U.S. Strategic Command which oversees the U.S. Space Surveillance Network.


In a prepared statement, the Bethesda, Md.-based Iridium characterized the incident as a "very low probability event" and said it was taking immediate action to minimize any loss of service. Iridium, which operates a constellation of 66 low Earth orbiting satellites providing mobile voice and data communications globally, said its system remains healthy and that it would implement a "network solution" by Friday.


"Within the next 30 days, Iridium expects to move one of its in-orbit spare satellites into the network constellation to permanently replace the lost satellite," the statement said.


The 1,234-pound (560-kg) Iridium 33 satellite involved in the collision was launched in 1997; the 1,984-pound (900-kg) Russian satellite was launched in 1993 and presumed non-operational. It did not have a maneuvering system, NASA said.


Iridium's spacecraft circle the Earth along a near-polar orbit once every 100 minutes and fly at a speed of about 16,832 mph (27,088 kph), the company states on its Web site.


Johnson said outdated spacecraft, rocket stages and other components break apart in space every year, but there have only been three relatively minor collisions between such objects in the last 20 years. Never before have two intact satellites crashed into one another by accident, he added.

Shortly after, our space surveillance center reported that they had observed multiple new objects in low orbit," Drey said. The U.S. Space Surveillance Network continuously tracks more than 18,000 separate man-made objects and debris at any given time, he added.

Tuesday's collision is the latest in a series of satellite woes in recent weeks.

Last month, the nascent Eutelsat W2M telecommunications satellite failed in orbit just five weeks after it launched into space. Another communications satellite, ASTRA 5A owned by SES Luxemburg, also failed and was adrift in orbit. The loss forced its operators to warn the owners of neighboring satellites to be prepared for the remote possibility of having to maneuver their spacecraft to avoid a collision with Astra 5A.

NASA's Orbital Debris Program Office also released an update last month on Russia's Soviet-era satellite Cosmos 1818 stating that the spacecraft appeared to spew a cloud of debris on July 4, 2008 that may be the result of leaking reactor coolant from a debris strike or fragmentation.

[Antaletriangle]

Signs of the times...satellite infested heavens.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090211/...lite_collision

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. – Two big communications satellites collided in the first-ever crash of two intact spacecraft in orbit, shooting out a pair of massive debris clouds and posing a slight risk to the international space station.

NASA said it will take weeks to determine the full magnitude of the crash, which occurred nearly 500 miles over Siberia on Tuesday.

"We knew this was going to happen eventually," said Mark Matney, an orbital debris scientist at Johnson Space Center in Houston.

NASA believes any risk to the space station and its three astronauts is low. It orbits about 270 miles below the collision course. There also should be no danger to the space shuttle set to launch with seven astronauts on Feb. 22, officials said, but that will be re-evaluated in the coming days.

The collision involved an Iridium commercial satellite, which was launched in 1997, and a Russian satellite launched in 1993 and believed to be nonfunctioning. The Russian satellite was out of control, Matney said.

The Iridium craft weighed 1,235 pounds, and the Russian craft nearly a ton.

No one has any idea yet how many pieces were generated or how big they might be.

"Right now, they're definitely counting dozens," Matney said. "I would suspect that they'll be counting hundreds when the counting is done."

As for pieces the size of micrometers, the count will likely be in the thousands, he added.

There have been four other cases in which space objects have collided accidentally in orbit, NASA said. But those were considered minor and involved parts of spent rockets or small satellites.

Nicholas Johnson, an orbital debris expert at the Houston space center, said the risk of damage from Tuesday's collision is greater for the Hubble Space Telescope and Earth-observing satellites, which are in higher orbit and nearer the debris field.

At the beginning of this year there were roughly 17,000 pieces of manmade debris orbiting Earth, Johnson said. The items, at least 4 inches in size, are being tracked by the U.S. Space Surveillance Network, which is operated by the military. The network detected the two debris clouds created Tuesday.

Litter in orbit has increased in recent years, in part because of the deliberate breakups of old satellites. It's gotten so bad that orbital debris is now the biggest threat to a space shuttle in flight, surpassing the dangers of liftoff and return to Earth. NASA is in regular touch with the Space Surveillance Network, to keep the space station a safe distance from any encroaching objects, and shuttles, too, when they're flying.

"The collisions are going to be becoming more and more important in the coming decades," Matney said.

Iridium Holdings LLC has a system of 65 active satellites which relay calls from portable phones that are about twice the size of a regular mobile phone. It has more than 300,000 subscribers. The U.S. Department of Defense is one of its largest customers.

The company has spare satellites, and it is unclear whether the collision caused an outage. An Iridium spokeswoman had no immediate comment.

Initially launched by Motorola Inc. in the 1990s, Iridium plunged into bankruptcy in 1999. Private investors relaunched service in 2001.

Iridium satellites are unusual because their orbit is so low and they move so fast. Most communications satellites are in much higher orbits and don't move relative to each other, which means collisions are rare.

[Carol]

Well that is the cover story. According to Hoagland, satellite 33 is a wake up call to the new prez Obama from Putin.

[sunlite28]

i read this earlier, ops! you would have thought with alll their tecnology that they could have dodged each other!

[Antaletriangle]

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[Dantheman62]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=11056

[Antaletriangle]

Intersting information everyone and rather ponderous...

[Humble Janitor]

Yeah, we're already jumping to conclusions? Heh.

[viking]

I heard that the 2 satelites had accidently bumped into each other...

Who knows????


<Reports circulating in the Kremlin today are stating that a ‘shocked’ Russian leadership is struggling for an ‘appropriate’ response to the United States deliberate destruction of one of Russia’s most advanced surveillance satellites tasked with monitoring North Korea nuclear missile activity.

According to these reports, the US Air Force Space Command ordered a ‘sudden’ drop to the orbit of one of their Iridium communication satellites causing it to collide with, and destroy, the Russian Cosmos surveillance satellite operating over eastern Siberia.

Russian Military reports had previously stated that the Pentagon’s defacto purchase of the nearly bankrupt Iridium satellite network nearly a decade ago was intended exactly for this purpose of using these 66 satellites as ‘space weapons’ against Russian and Chinese surveillance satellites monitoring their Global activities.

Russian Military Analysts are further stating in these reports that the US takedown of their Far Eastern surveillance satellite was due to the American Military’s space buildup over North Korea, and which we can read about as reported by Britain’s Times Online News Service:

“The United States military has launched an intensive spying operation over North Korea, amid reports that the isolated totalitarian state may be about to test fire short range missiles close to its disputed sea border with South Korea.

A US military spokesman confirmed that unspecified monitoring “assets” – probably including spy satellites and high altitude spy planes – have been moved into position amid reports of imminent missile launches, after unusual movements by shipping in the area.

South Korean officials confirmed the sudden disappearance of Chinese fishing boats from an area off the north-west coast of the Korean peninsula, possibly because of a shipping warning in advance of missile firing exercises.”

Russian Space Analysts state that the United States is preparing to test their Space Based Missile Defense System against the expected North Korean launch of nuclear capable missiles toward the Sea of Japan and which the Americans are said ‘determined’ not to let either Russia or China to know the full capabilities of.

Top US Military Officers involved in their vast Space Based Weapons Systems are also reported to be ‘enraged’ after Vice President Biden announced at this past weeks Munich Security Conference that the United States may be willing to curtail its present aggressive stance, and as we can read as reported by the International Herald News Service:

“The United States will pursue a missile defense plan that has angered the Kremlin, Vice President Joseph Biden Jr. said over the weekend, but he also left open the possibility of compromise on the issue and struck a more conciliatory tone than the Bush administration on relations between the countries.

“It is time to press the reset button and to revisit the many areas where we can and should be working together with Russia,” Biden said in a speech Saturday at a security conference here attended by global leaders and diplomats.”

Immediately after the US takedown of their satellite, Russia issued a ‘stern’ warning to the Americans, and as we can read as reported by Russia’s RIA Novosti News Service:

“Intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) in service with the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (SMF) could be launched within a minute if Russia's security is threatened, the SMF commander has said.

“Over 6,000 servicemen are on 24/7 combat duty, and at least 96% of all missile systems are ready for deployment within several dozen seconds. It is the highest readiness level among the components of the Russian nuclear triad,” Col. Gen. Nikolai Solovtsov said in an interview published on Wednesday by the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.

Russian Foreign Ministry Officials, however, say that it is ‘very unlikely’ that the United States is about to change its plunge towards brutal fascist rule as it continues its plunge into the economic abyss it is dragging the entire World into also.

Reports from the US are further confirming this as in just the past week alone, President Obama has put into his administration former President Bush’s top cyber-security czar Melissa Hathaway; his legal team has copied Bush's 'State Secrets' trick to cover up torture and renditions; gone against his own intelligence agencies by stating that Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb; has ‘reassured’ Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari that US Military Forces will not be removed from Iraq; and perhaps worst of all, has continued the Bush policy of giving Trillions of American taxpayer money to the richest and most corrupt elite members of their society while giving to the ordinary American people a ‘tax break’ that gives them an additional $13 a week as they continue to smother under an avalanche of unpaid bills, record unemployment, horrific costs for healthcare, and virtually no hope for the future.

Though Prime Minister Putin has warned these Americans that they “should take a lesson from the pages of Russian history and not exercise “excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence”, it sadly appears that George Orwell’s prediction of what these people would become under their fascist rulers is, indeed, coming true…

“A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.”

To the future these American peoples should be preparing for, Orwell further warned them…

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.”

[Ed. Note: The United States government actively seeks to find, and silence, any and all opinions about the United States except those coming from authorized government and/or affiliated sources, of which we are not one. No interviews are granted and very little personal information is given about our contributors, or their sources, to protect their safety.] .>

viking

[Carol]

Hmmm. If one listened to Rev Lindsey Wagner, Richard Hoagland and Gerald Celente the picture would broaden a bit with respect to this event.

First off, Russian is losing big money because of the price of oil per barrel. They are not happy with the US. Subsequently their own economy is suffering and it is easy to place the blame in this direction.

Next, Hoagland is likely correct in that the story presented to the media was a cover-up story as it is almost impossible for these two objects to collide without a little help from somewhere.

If this is a deliberate event then who stands to benefit and what is the message? Even more so... who is sending the message?

Then there is also the possibility that if this is a contrived event.. it could also be viewed by the US as an act of war.

Google the number 33 and check out what it means symbolically. That info may also provide some clues.

Could this be a message to Obama from Putin?

Then take this a step further... how do nations tend to get their economy rolling again? What has happened throughout history to pull nations out of debt?

Then there is the possibility that this event could also be a trigger to begin posturing for WWIII. Now why is that important? Could it be that with the threat of war, the world's populace is then distracted of being robbed blind and turned into a fiscal slave for the illuminati. If so, then there is also the possibility that again WWIII can be averted as it has in the past if the public wake up?

The reality here is that the net is linking us to truth while controlled media is spinning lies in order to control and manipulate. The whole world is on the brink of fiscal meltdown and the way of doing business needs a major overhaul.

For instance, if everyone in the US was given the funds to pay off their mortgages and credit cards... money that they have to pay to bail out the banks who are still continuing with business as usual.. the banks would recover. However, what is going on now clearly is indicative of something so insidious that it boggles the mind to even comprehend what is happening to the wealth of the world. Take a closer look... the billionaires are trying to ace out the millionaires. What does that say?

Meanwhile, the old guard is carrying on with what worked in the past in an attempt to take control of their own failing economies. Don't be fooled about his satellite situation. It is highly unlikely that this was an accident. Pay attention, be smart and keep watch. And most importantly - pray. Pray first, during and after because it is with our collective intention that future events are altered. Make no mistake.. it is the collective focus of the masses that the illuminati fear.

[Carol]

33
This is the divine number which can signify a God-Man. There are 33 energies of man and mitotic divisions, which really describe ALL the fields of force around spirit. These include all the platonic force lines as they dynamically rotate to form the merkaba. 33 signifies the alpha and omega—a person with supreme talents and divinely-aligned will: true power, leadership and holy unions.

Who is demonstrating "true power?"

[Dantheman62]

Earth is ensnared today in a thick spider web of orbits. Satellites with different assignments fly at different altitudes:

U.S. space shuttles are manned satellites of Earth. They usually fly at altitudes around 200 miles above Earth. Rarely, they fly near 400 miles altitude. Russia's orbiting space station Mir is another manned satellite. It maintains its own orbit just above 200 miles altitude.

Russian and American navigation satellites guide ships at sea from 100 to 300 miles altitude.

Photography Photo-intelligence (PHOTOINT) satellites shoot clear pictures and infrared images of installations on the ground from the same altitude range. Radar images of targets on Earth's oceans are recorded at these altitudes.

Civilian photography satellites, such as the American Landsat and the French Spot, orbit at altitudes ranging from 300 to 600 miles. American NOAA and Russian Meteor weather satellites are at these same altitudes.

Spysats and military communications satellites dominate space from 600 to 1,200 miles altitude. The spysats gather electronic intelligence (ELINT), signal intelligence (SIGINT) and radar intelligence (RADINT). Hamsats also operate there.

Science Science research satellites do much of their work at altitudes between 3,000 and 6,000 miles above Earth. Their findings are radioed to Earth as telemetry data.

From 6,000 to 12,000 miles altitude, navigation satellites operate. Best known are the U.S. global-positioning system (GPS) and Russia's equivalent GLONASS satellites.

Altitude in Miles Satellite Types
100-300 shuttles, space stations, spysats, navsats, hamsats
300-600 weather sats, photo sats
600-1,200 spysats, military comsats, hamsats
3,000-6,000 science sats
6,000-12,000 navsats
22,300 (stationary) communications, broadcast, weather
250-50,000 (elliptical) early-warning, Molniya broadcast, communications, spysats, hamsats

[Dantheman62]

It's very,very crowded up there! I was in satellite communications back in 1983. That's when communications satellites were at 4 degree spacing. After only a couple years we then went to 2 degree spacing because things were becoming crowded. Now, who knows how close they are!

Just to give you an example, communication satellites are at about 22,000 miles up in a geostationary orbit, one degree down here means 70 miles up there, in otherwards if you were to move your little satellite dish 1 degree either east/west or north/south, that's actually a movement of 70 miles up there.

So let's say that satellites are now in 1 degree spacing up there, that means that they have only a 70 mile area to stay in so they won't bump into another one. That's not much room!