Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment...

Relayer · 03-12-2009, 08:25 PM

Hello ALL,
I'll more than likely get flamed for saying what I'm about to say, but I'm getting more disillusioned with Project Camelot as time passes, so flame away.
I have been waiting for some time now to get the Jessica Crystal Child interview in wmv format. Still haven't seen this surface, and God only knows when it will ever be done.
Last year at the Nexus Conference I asked Bill and Kerry if it would be possible to have the interviews outputted into avi format, especially since there have been problems in the past with the wmv standard. They agreed, but I haven't seen that happen yet.
It seems Bill and Kerry spend all their time on the road and less time in the editing studio.
I thought by paying a subscription and easing their financial problems we would have gotten a bit more productivity from them. I guess not. Too busy flying around the place doing interviews that take ages to be edited and sorted out into different formats.
It seems that the more an interviewee has to say in regards to doom and gloom, he or she gets their interviews out fairly quickly compared to others.
It seems that Jessica Crystal Child didn't have enough interesting things to say, therefore she's been put on the back burner.
Lastly, Bill and Kerry were the founders of Avalon, yet they no longer give any input what-so-ever to the Forum. It would be nice to see them interacting a little more often.
Bill hasn't been on Avalon since December last year and Kerry hasn't made an appearance since February this year.
A bit of interaction, even if it was only once a month would be nice.
Please take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards always,
John
Relayer

Luminari · 03-13-2009, 12:27 AM

I agree that it would be really nice to see either of them visit the forum ocassionally.

Seems bizarre to start a forum and then abandon it. Though Im grateful there is a forum at all.

Neither Bill or Kerry have accepted friend requests from me, outstanding for several months, I don't know whether they just have zero interest in the forum or just zero interest in being friends with me

Anyway I'll get over it. This place is still awesome.. If we could see more of the lurkers take an active role it would be even better.

Cheers,

L

Visvasa144 · 03-13-2009, 12:36 AM

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EYES WIDE OPEN · 03-13-2009, 12:13 PM

I have to agree. They need to be here more. Also, were members supossed to get extra stuff if they subscribed?

Carol · 03-13-2009, 04:28 PM

We too are disappointed with B&K.

On other forums when a member pays - the owner of the forum personally thanks the paying member. Even coming onto the forum to thank members for subscribing on a regular basis and participating is an act of graciousness that one would expect from the owners. It really is sad as they have been asked repeatedly to stop by and say hello. Nada. This lack of visible appreciation or interest toward the volunters and members says far more then any words anyone else can express here.

Subsequently, a number of volunteers who have put in hours and hours of unpaid work behind the scenes... and also were chastised or ignored have backed away with deep disappointment directed toward B&K.

There is an old saying... "you shall know them by their works." Actions, or non-action in this situation, speak louder then words.

As for the value added by being a paying member.. one gets to post and have access to the library. Personally... almost all of us volunteers who run this site think the library should be available for free to everyone as that was the intent when we first got together to create it.

However.. since the subscription no one has been banned or even gotten any infractions. The tone of the forum has changed and it is much more mellow. Much of the focus and energy is a combination of inner spiritual work and working out in the world making it the place where one would want to live.. building relationships, making gardens and focusing on creating something fresh and new.

The excitment of the honeymoon is over and now one is into creating productive spiritually enhancing new inner and outer realities.

DAYDREAMER · 03-13-2009, 05:09 PM

It would be nice to get Bill and Kerry a little active on the forum.

I never had any problem watching Jessica the crystal child or whatever they called her. Get some codecs to play the video, you don't have to use Windows Media Player, there are free ones like Quicktime Player and Media Player Classic.

One thing I have noticed is that there isn't much new news on Project Camelot, is that a good thing, as most news reported everywhere is bad news, isn't it??? Anyway I am still checking a few times every day for updates.

EYES WIDE OPEN · 03-13-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carol

We too are disappointed with B&K.

On other forums when a member pays - the owner of the forum personally thanks the paying member. Even coming onto the forum to thank members for subscribing on a regular basis and participating is an act of graciousness that one would expect from the owners. It really is sad as they have been asked repeatedly to stop by and say hello. Nada. This lack of visible appreciation or interest toward the volunters and members says far more then any words anyone else can express here.

Subsequently, a number of volunteers who have put in hours and hours of unpaid work behind the scenes... and also were chastised or ignored have backed away with deep disappointment directed toward B&K.

There is an old saying... "you shall know them by their works." Actions, or non-action in this situation, speak louder then words.

As for the value added by being a paying member.. one gets to post and have access to the library. Personally... almost all of us volunteers who run this site think the library should be available for free to everyone as that was the intent when we first got together to create it.

However.. since the subscription no one has been banned or even gotten any infractions. The tone of the forum has changed and it is much more mellow. Much of the focus and energy is a combination of inner spiritual work and working out in the world making it the place where one would want to live.. building relationships, making gardens and focusing on creating something fresh and new.

The excitment of the honeymoon is over and now one is into creating productive spiritually enhancing new inner and outer realities.

well said. I give them 1 week to show their faces then I am out. I am thinking of re-uploading everything I have downloaded for free. I paid for it so I cant do what I want with it.

THE eXchanger · 03-13-2009, 08:06 PM

Yes, very strange,
to be in a house without the hosts at home !!!

many people, who should have been recognised,
or, at least thanked for their efforts - esp; the moderators
who do a super-duper good job

and, those with posts over 250

and, yet, nothing but silence from our hosts ???

will someone go, unzip them ???

personally, i must admit,
if it wasn't for the friendships i have forged
with those who post here, i'd likely not have stuck around

i do believe, in their mission/and, their purpose,
and, wish them both well

funny thing- i sent in a note, to remove myself from the round table
(i got removed--but, NOT even a note acknowledging my request)
nor, asking me why i asked to be removed

ahhh...so much, for friends,
who help other friends

it appears, they don't realise,
that there were quite a few people
who spent 2-3 full months,
helping to make this a success
and, yet, so many, who are NOT even mentioned,
nor, even thanked -- it actually makes me feel sad
it does sadden me, to say this,
but, facts are facts ...
and, that is my truth

These two hosts, should be active, in their house/and, their forum !!!

This place, has lost a lot since its gone pay to play !!!

mu2143 · 03-13-2009, 08:48 PM

Hmmm i'm sorry ,but aren't we sopesed to become a race of leaders. Not followers. OOObamaaaa

Complaining is also the attitude for some one to come in and save the complainer.

You have to do it, not Bill and Kerry to come and pick you up. They do what they are doing on there on freewill.

This is an example how people wan't to contol other people, by making them feel bad because there not doing enough to satisfy your needs. This form was setup to exchange information and idea's you stil deside on your own what you have to do with it.

Stop pushing controling maniplating other people SIP IT.

Carol · 03-13-2009, 09:02 PM

Some say complain others state the facts. However, bad manners are just bad manners. Identifying the obvious is also making a healthy observation with respect to the situation.

People came here for many reasons. The person who paid for this forum and set it up meant for it to be free to everyone. Fact.

I'm still of the opinion that the library should be free.. and those who put in countless hours to get it up and going should have been acknowledged.

mu2143 · 03-13-2009, 09:18 PM

Just remember where the hamster on the wheel within the cage, but stepping of the wheel does not makes you free.

Most people still have to pay for food energy etc,it is clear that those thing should be for free. But some idiotic 13 bloodlines that it was a good thing to make us belief that you have to work for everthing.

Money-> polution->no land ->Slave

Where just paying a litle bit to keep this forum running, guess there not getting there funds from obama's bailout money.

Waterman · 03-13-2009, 10:21 PM

Yes the forum seems a lot more tame these days.

I myself have not posted in a long time, so I don't know what direction this post will take.

My may concern is that promises of new interactive venues for members never has occurred. I know that volunteers have put much of their time into making this forum happen and I want to say here I appreciate all the effort by the many involved in making this forum happen.

I also have to mention that early in the forum's existence the forum was hijacked by certain "authorities" almost immediately, moving in to take advantage of the venue and sucking people out to their "better" venue where "they" could have control, while making hypocritical statements like "it is what it is". High minded statements like that always concern me,

Yes I know everyone is free to choose but there is something about that, that is disgusting! Maybe a good term would be ambulance chasers, or exploitation. I lost a lot of respect for them because of itr.

There are two groups in the forum. Those that live their lives virtually, and those that actually get out and press the flesh as they say. I try to ignore the virtual crowd because they can suck a person dry. In the meantime I've tried making so real non virtual headway and moved out west still seeking a community to become part of.

As far as B&K, I think B&K had no idea the wildcat that they had gotten their hands on. It happens so many times in business, when one bites off more than they can chew, which is what I think happened here. But I agree with Carol I would like to see at least a token expression of appreciation ....soon. If guilt is keeping them away, well many things can be forgiven, we all make mistakes. Let's hope we hear from them soon, as rejection in it's many forms is painful.

There is however one thing I would like to see more of. It is kind of like never getting out one's won back door to explore. There may be many people in the world to chat with, conventions in remote locations, and people to see etc... but it is my unbiased opinion that there is more research, interviews, and exploring to do right here in the states than anywhere else, and it's being ignored.

Now I'm really not being biased because I'm here in the states, I'm actually Scottish. But no one else in the world has spent as much money in black op budgets than right here in the states, or done more research, and has more unsolved mysteries to chase. So it is my opinion that B&K should pound the ground here more often, which would give them more opportunity to manage the whole effort. No criticism intended just business coaching.

So to move forward, here is John Moore's new blog site which is very inactive and may be more like what we were expecting here on the forum for information about surviving the times we live in. http://www.ruralsurvival.info/ Not taking away from the efforts made here, just emphasizing the lack of B&K following through.

Unlike here, it has a "classified" section that is free. Since it is up and working, I suggest we all use it. It would be an excellent way for us to support each other (assuming we want to), And don't be paralyzed by fear of being "found out", "seen" etc.. because if you keep doing that they will soon just find you frozen in your tracks and take you away anyway.

And today it doesn't take much to be in that pot (just look at the report just leaked from the Missouri Highway Patrol), even Ron Paul is considered a terrorist now, along with Chuck Baldwin, etc. So it's too late to worry about that. It is time to get into action and make things happen and the classifieds at that site would be "doing" something. It's kind of like a Graigslist for survival....

About the Lakota bank project. It has not been going well in my opinion and so I haven't been able to recommend it. I had a long discussion with some folks about my concerns and it looks like they will be addressing them. So as soon as I see my concern fixed, I might be able to recommend using them in good conscious but in the mean time I can't. So again that is a good reason to go to JR's site.

Lastly I spoke with Larry Nichols recently. It is his opinion that we will loose three cities to drug dealers because he thinks they will literally take them over. The first being El Paso. He said at that the federal government plans after the fact to surround the city and keep them from taking any more control of land in the US. While the UN sends food into the cities hostages, the drug lords will be allowed great latitudes as poppy Bush still manages to make more money from the his age old drug trade.

Larry said we invaded Afghanistan because of the fear of them hurting people in America, same with Iraq, but he said please think for a second. Why are they not sending protection to the Mexico border where 8000 have been recently murdered, and a sheriff resigned when in 10 days 5 deputies were murdered by the cartel. Doesn't their silence to protect America's borders say something. He said the plans are in the works to see that happen by end of summer.

In the meantime keep me and mine in mind as we do our fancy camping in the mountains and we seek what direction to take.

sunflower · 03-13-2009, 10:45 PM

Hi Waterman, good to hear from you. Hope you find what you are looking for and please keep your posts coming. They are certainly worth reading! Takes the edge off our B & K beefs!

Dantheman62 · 03-13-2009, 10:59 PM

Good points Carol, Luminari, eXchanger, do Bill and Kerry realize how tame this forum has become? This is probably the closest that anybody can ever get to a self moderating forum and they should be proud of what has become of this place after the subscription went into effect.
DAYDREAMER, if you want news go over to Avalon in the news section where it's updated pretty regularly, and yes not always good news either, LOL!

Karen · 03-13-2009, 11:13 PM

I received word a few days ago, that Kerry is moving from Sedona, AZ back to California - time frame was expressed as "shortly."

Project Avalon or Project Camelot
638 Lindero Canyon Rd.
Suite 277
Oak Park, CA 91377

Let's give her some time to get moved and settled again.

I also know there were a lot of interviews done on a recent trip to California with Bill and Kerry and most of those have not been edited and put up yet.

Karen

Anchor · 03-14-2009, 01:42 AM

Wow much of this thread seems somewhat ungrateful! What is all this?

I don't like to see pressure applied in this way.

Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are two people among billions on this planet. Why single them out for this kind of pressure? There is no real reason - except for the tiny amount of sponsorship that many of us have donated to the cause.

In my opinion they have done enough good for us all and it seems entirely wrong and as I say somewhat ungrateful for people to be complaining. Most of you don't even know what they are doing - and there is no real reason IMO that you should. I am sure that if they planned to stop contributing they would be honest enough to come here and say that. Absent that situation - what is the real problem?

On the acknowledgment of volunteers (members, admins, moderators, librarians, owners!) - that is probably the biggest issue really. Each person that contributes time and information to this site to this site deserves some thanks, but is it the end of the world if they don't get it? The average level of spiritual focus amongst the active membership is (according to my take on it) exceedingly high - complaining about lack of recognition seems odd to me in that context.

On the change of direction from free to paying - well there was a time for debate, but it was long ago in terms our accelerating passage of time. A choice was made and it stands today - regardless of who agrees or not. Despite the changes introduced by subscription, and despite the recent lack of commentary by two *people* this forum has adapted well and maintained its purpose pretty well .

Sure if B&K they came and chatted here for a bit it would be nice, but would it really make that much difference? ( Except to slow them down :-) )

For what it's worth, I am pretty sure they will be back and will comment. The focussed intent of pretty much everyone on this thread will make it so

A..

PS: A BIG THANK YOU to all the LIBRARIANS, ADMINS, MODERATORS AND CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS! - and the owners - B&K I still think this site is amazing and worth every voluntarily and freely donated cent !

burgundia · 03-14-2009, 02:06 AM

I guess some people here feel like abandoned children...

03-14-2009, 05:36 AM

Very timely Thread starter & comments as our views, I expect, do matter to B & K.

I've seen brilliant minds leave this forum (& others enter), tho some imposters, some not, still, brilliant minds).

I say "timely thread" for I too have taken notice of the apparent lack of word from the founders & have not been so impressed w/the mother site Camelot, the latest uploads of interviews the past, well, this year.

SOMEthing is going on and I just very much dislike it when my mind yanks me around w/assumptions (as we all know what assumptions are)... still.. the silence of B & K is an alarm tone! Mind you, I've been extremely busy myself for damned near two years... project after project... just today I finished laying & grouting tile, had the foundation poured to the greenhouse... on & on... still I check in, sometime hastily posting a comment or two here n there.

I welcome this thread today because I'm tired! I'm busy, way busy...
I've seen at least one person that I befriended at length just up & become part of the matrix again & has me shaking my head that I shared anything at all....... THAT is alarming. I mean, who MIGHT you trust here! I shake my head.... I'm still a fool.

Waterman, so good to hear from you, p.m.anytime... my my... here I go again inviting anyone, but you Waterman, I do and have.???

And, why in hell would K move back to California ??????? Oak Park??
WTF, over!

And I too have not seen any "member benefits"... deep sigh...

I offer my 'worst' take...that I'm jacked off w/a subscription because there's not much happening here that you can't find elsewhere,... in fact THIS elsewhere is just ANOTHER elsewhere to clutter up my already cluttered mind. There is not much to make this site special!!!

off to a good nite's sleep! Heartfelts!!

Malletzky · 03-14-2009, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor

Wow much of this thread seems somewhat ungrateful! What is all this?

I don't like to see pressure applied in this way.

Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are two people among billions on this planet. Why single them out for this kind of pressure? There is no real reason - except for the tiny amount of sponsorship that many of us have donated to the cause.

In my opinion they have done enough good for us all and it seems entirely wrong and as I say somewhat ungrateful for people to be complaining. Most of you don't even know what they are doing - and there is no real reason IMO that you should. I am sure that if they planned to stop contributing they would be honest enough to come here and say that. Absent that situation - what is the real problem?

On the acknowledgment of volunteers (members, admins, moderators, librarians, owners!) - that is probably the biggest issue really. Each person that contributes time and information to this site to this site deserves some thanks, but is it the end of the world if they don't get it? The average level of spiritual focus amongst the active membership is (according to my take on it) exceedingly high - complaining about lack of recognition seems odd to me in that context.

On the change of direction from free to paying - well there was a time for debate, but it was long ago in terms our accelerating passage of time. A choice was made and it stands today - regardless of who agrees or not. Despite the changes introduced by subscription, and despite the recent lack of commentary by two *people* this forum has adapted well and maintained its purpose pretty well .

Sure if B&K they came and chatted here for a bit it would be nice, but would it really make that much difference? ( Except to slow them down :-) )

For what it's worth, I am pretty sure they will be back and will comment. The focussed intent of pretty much everyone on this thread will make it so

A..

PS: A BIG THANK YOU to all the LIBRARIANS, ADMINS, MODERATORS AND CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS! - and the owners - B&K I still think this site is amazing and worth every voluntarily and freely donated cent !

Anchor, you just said all that should've been said my friend.

Especially the part about deserving thanks...the one who contributes here from within his/her heart doesn't even expect to hear some THANK YOU words.

It's all about unconditional giving without any expectations. And I'm very happy to know that there are so many here doing just that...

But that shouldn't stop me of saying THANK YOU to all of YOU...and also to B&K for all they've done so far...even if not contributing on the forum...
By the way, is there any need for this?

with
malletzky

Luminari · 03-14-2009, 08:53 AM

Do you think the abandonment of B&K is because they associate 'pain' with this forum after being let down and attacked by several people they thought were friends during the subscription transition saga?

I also would like to express my concern that the forum is being 'diluted' daily with an overabundace of re-posting of articles from the mainstream; politics and general news that can be found elsewhere.
I dont know about you guys but I am here for UFO's/contactees/astronomy anomalies and spirituality.. if I want to know what happened in the media today, I will look at Google news or Rense.com, I dont need to see it here. To the people posting every random vague thing or thought they had today, please think twice before clogging up the boards here and diverting everyone's energy to stupid trivial discussions about nothing. We have lost most of our awesome insider people because they dont want to waste their time here either.

I read the most moronic posts on here like "all aliens are demons" and other religio-psychobabble. Lets show a bit more intelligence and positivity and keep within the Camelot / Avalon themes please. If you are dying to say something really stupid and be validated I can recommend GLP or Astrovera.

Starlah · 03-15-2009, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogue2

you can convert .mov files to .wmv using a very simple program you can download. google "pazera .mov to .avi converter".

or go to download.com and get it there.

then, just DL any interview you want, convert it to .avi/.wmv whatever, and there you go. it really couldn't be any easier.

_____________________________________________

Dahahah!! Could you please repeat that in plain English? For all of us computer morons?
__________________________________________________
Kick at the Darkness until it bleeds daylight...Bruce Cockburn

burgundia · 03-15-2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Anchor, you just said all that should've been said my friend.

Especially the part about deserving thanks...the one who contributes here from within his/her heart doesn't even expect to hear some THANK YOU words.

It's all about unconditional giving without any expectations. And I'm very happy to know that there are so many here doing just that...

But that shouldn't stop me of saying THANK YOU to all of YOU...and also to B&K for all they've done so far...even if not contributing on the forum...
By the way, is there any need for this?

with
malletzky

Unconditional love doesn't expect or need any thanks. We all contribute here one way or another , proportionally to our abilities and knowledge. If somebody ackowledges it...fine, if not....fine as well. At least this is my approach. Things look a bit different when money is involved. If I pay, i expect the product or service to be delivered.

Hermano · 03-15-2009, 11:19 AM

Please, lets stick together and make this a good place to share knowledge
and discuss issues. Bill and Kerry are working very hard and risk their lives to
make this all happen, my deepest respect for them. The fact that they
created this community in the first place is already worth a lot to me.

Also my deepest respect for all forum people, we are here to make this work
and are doing a good job. We are with many and we don't have to agree on
anything, that's why the discussions are so interesting. People from all walks
of life share their oppinion. We all seek growth, knowledge and wisdom and
this place can help you with that. I am gratefull to have found this forum, it
is a RARE place and worth fighting for.

I'm glad to support this place with my $5 a month, it's a steal for the
information I find here. Show a little persistence.

Karen · 03-15-2009, 10:31 PM

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=12122
Kerry thanks all who have helped with these projects, explains why Bill and Kerry are not active on the forum, and explains why she is moving back to California.

"I am moving back to California after living 6 months in Sedona (a fabulous place!) because I want to work on various screenplay projects and being in close proximity to Hollywood will facilitate bringing those ideas to the screen and last but not least, I miss the ocean!!"

Humble Janitor · 03-16-2009, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relayer

Hello ALL,
I'll more than likely get flamed for saying what I'm about to say, but I'm getting more disillusioned with Project Camelot as time passes, so flame away.
I have been waiting for some time now to get the Jessica Crystal Child interview in wmv format. Still haven't seen this surface, and God only knows when it will ever be done.
Last year at the Nexus Conference I asked Bill and Kerry if it would be possible to have the interviews outputted into avi format, especially since there have been problems in the past with the wmv standard. They agreed, but I haven't seen that happen yet.
It seems Bill and Kerry spend all their time on the road and less time in the editing studio.
I thought by paying a subscription and easing their financial problems we would have gotten a bit more productivity from them. I guess not. Too busy flying around the place doing interviews that take ages to be edited and sorted out into different formats.
It seems that the more an interviewee has to say in regards to doom and gloom, he or she gets their interviews out fairly quickly compared to others.
It seems that Jessica Crystal Child didn't have enough interesting things to say, therefore she's been put on the back burner.
Lastly, Bill and Kerry were the founders of Avalon, yet they no longer give any input what-so-ever to the Forum. It would be nice to see them interacting a little more often.
Bill hasn't been on Avalon since December last year and Kerry hasn't made an appearance since February this year.
A bit of interaction, even if it was only once a month would be nice.
Please take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards always,
John
Relayer

I would like to see an audit of the money that they use from subscription fees, though Kerry did mention that there's something like $4,500 left in credit card bills related to traveling expenses that they need to pay off. I have no problem with giving them $5 a month but if they were to ask for more, I would withdraw my support.

I too, am disappointed in this place but for other reasons. It still resonates with me but it seems like certain members are stepping up the negative energy once again.

03-12-2009, 08:25 PM	#1
Relayer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Deer Park. Victoria. Australia Posts: 136	Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Hello ALL, I'll more than likely get flamed for saying what I'm about to say, but I'm getting more disillusioned with Project Camelot as time passes, so flame away. I have been waiting for some time now to get the Jessica Crystal Child interview in wmv format. Still haven't seen this surface, and God only knows when it will ever be done. Last year at the Nexus Conference I asked Bill and Kerry if it would be possible to have the interviews outputted into avi format, especially since there have been problems in the past with the wmv standard. They agreed, but I haven't seen that happen yet. It seems Bill and Kerry spend all their time on the road and less time in the editing studio. I thought by paying a subscription and easing their financial problems we would have gotten a bit more productivity from them. I guess not. Too busy flying around the place doing interviews that take ages to be edited and sorted out into different formats. It seems that the more an interviewee has to say in regards to doom and gloom, he or she gets their interviews out fairly quickly compared to others. It seems that Jessica Crystal Child didn't have enough interesting things to say, therefore she's been put on the back burner. Lastly, Bill and Kerry were the founders of Avalon, yet they no longer give any input what-so-ever to the Forum. It would be nice to see them interacting a little more often. Bill hasn't been on Avalon since December last year and Kerry hasn't made an appearance since February this year. A bit of interaction, even if it was only once a month would be nice. Please take care all and peace be with you. Best regards always, John Relayer

03-13-2009, 12:27 AM	#2
Luminari Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,570	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... I agree that it would be really nice to see either of them visit the forum ocassionally. Seems bizarre to start a forum and then abandon it. Though Im grateful there is a forum at all. Neither Bill or Kerry have accepted friend requests from me, outstanding for several months, I don't know whether they just have zero interest in the forum or just zero interest in being friends with me Anyway I'll get over it. This place is still awesome.. If we could see more of the lurkers take an active role it would be even better. Cheers, L

03-13-2009, 12:36 AM	#3
Visvasa144 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 121	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... if you go to realplayer.com. you can download their new player for free. this player can download all videos on the internet and saves them as FLV file. its fast free and fun.

03-13-2009, 12:13 PM	#4
EYES WIDE OPEN Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hastings, UK Posts: 424	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... I have to agree. They need to be here more. Also, were members supossed to get extra stuff if they subscribed?

03-13-2009, 04:28 PM	#5
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... We too are disappointed with B&K. On other forums when a member pays - the owner of the forum personally thanks the paying member. Even coming onto the forum to thank members for subscribing on a regular basis and participating is an act of graciousness that one would expect from the owners. It really is sad as they have been asked repeatedly to stop by and say hello. Nada. This lack of visible appreciation or interest toward the volunters and members says far more then any words anyone else can express here. Subsequently, a number of volunteers who have put in hours and hours of unpaid work behind the scenes... and also were chastised or ignored have backed away with deep disappointment directed toward B&K. There is an old saying... "you shall know them by their works." Actions, or non-action in this situation, speak louder then words. As for the value added by being a paying member.. one gets to post and have access to the library. Personally... almost all of us volunteers who run this site think the library should be available for free to everyone as that was the intent when we first got together to create it. However.. since the subscription no one has been banned or even gotten any infractions. The tone of the forum has changed and it is much more mellow. Much of the focus and energy is a combination of inner spiritual work and working out in the world making it the place where one would want to live.. building relationships, making gardens and focusing on creating something fresh and new. The excitment of the honeymoon is over and now one is into creating productive spiritually enhancing new inner and outer realities. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

03-13-2009, 05:09 PM	#6
DAYDREAMER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 57	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... It would be nice to get Bill and Kerry a little active on the forum. I never had any problem watching Jessica the crystal child or whatever they called her. Get some codecs to play the video, you don't have to use Windows Media Player, there are free ones like Quicktime Player and Media Player Classic. One thing I have noticed is that there isn't much new news on Project Camelot, is that a good thing, as most news reported everywhere is bad news, isn't it??? Anyway I am still checking a few times every day for updates.

03-13-2009, 08:06 PM	#8
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Yes, very strange, to be in a house without the hosts at home !!! many people, who should have been recognised, or, at least thanked for their efforts - esp; the moderators who do a super-duper good job and, those with posts over 250 and, yet, nothing but silence from our hosts ??? will someone go, unzip them ??? personally, i must admit, if it wasn't for the friendships i have forged with those who post here, i'd likely not have stuck around i do believe, in their mission/and, their purpose, and, wish them both well funny thing- i sent in a note, to remove myself from the round table (i got removed--but, NOT even a note acknowledging my request) nor, asking me why i asked to be removed ahhh...so much, for friends, who help other friends it appears, they don't realise, that there were quite a few people who spent 2-3 full months, helping to make this a success and, yet, so many, who are NOT even mentioned, nor, even thanked -- it actually makes me feel sad it does sadden me, to say this, but, facts are facts ... and, that is my truth These two hosts, should be active, in their house/and, their forum !!! This place, has lost a lot since its gone pay to play !!!

03-13-2009, 08:48 PM	#9
mu2143 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Holland,Netherlands Posts: 470	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Hmmm i'm sorry ,but aren't we sopesed to become a race of leaders. Not followers. OOObamaaaa Complaining is also the attitude for some one to come in and save the complainer. You have to do it, not Bill and Kerry to come and pick you up. They do what they are doing on there on freewill. This is an example how people wan't to contol other people, by making them feel bad because there not doing enough to satisfy your needs. This form was setup to exchange information and idea's you stil deside on your own what you have to do with it. Stop pushing controling maniplating other people SIP IT.

03-13-2009, 09:02 PM	#10
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Some say complain others state the facts. However, bad manners are just bad manners. Identifying the obvious is also making a healthy observation with respect to the situation. People came here for many reasons. The person who paid for this forum and set it up meant for it to be free to everyone. Fact. I'm still of the opinion that the library should be free.. and those who put in countless hours to get it up and going should have been acknowledged. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

03-13-2009, 09:18 PM	#11
mu2143 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Holland,Netherlands Posts: 470	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Just remember where the hamster on the wheel within the cage, but stepping of the wheel does not makes you free. Most people still have to pay for food energy etc,it is clear that those thing should be for free. But some idiotic 13 bloodlines that it was a good thing to make us belief that you have to work for everthing. Money-> polution->no land ->Slave Where just paying a litle bit to keep this forum running, guess there not getting there funds from obama's bailout money.

03-13-2009, 10:21 PM	#12
Waterman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 345	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Yes the forum seems a lot more tame these days. I myself have not posted in a long time, so I don't know what direction this post will take. My may concern is that promises of new interactive venues for members never has occurred. I know that volunteers have put much of their time into making this forum happen and I want to say here I appreciate all the effort by the many involved in making this forum happen. I also have to mention that early in the forum's existence the forum was hijacked by certain "authorities" almost immediately, moving in to take advantage of the venue and sucking people out to their "better" venue where "they" could have control, while making hypocritical statements like "it is what it is". High minded statements like that always concern me, Yes I know everyone is free to choose but there is something about that, that is disgusting! Maybe a good term would be ambulance chasers, or exploitation. I lost a lot of respect for them because of itr. There are two groups in the forum. Those that live their lives virtually, and those that actually get out and press the flesh as they say. I try to ignore the virtual crowd because they can suck a person dry. In the meantime I've tried making so real non virtual headway and moved out west still seeking a community to become part of. As far as B&K, I think B&K had no idea the wildcat that they had gotten their hands on. It happens so many times in business, when one bites off more than they can chew, which is what I think happened here. But I agree with Carol I would like to see at least a token expression of appreciation ....soon. If guilt is keeping them away, well many things can be forgiven, we all make mistakes. Let's hope we hear from them soon, as rejection in it's many forms is painful. There is however one thing I would like to see more of. It is kind of like never getting out one's won back door to explore. There may be many people in the world to chat with, conventions in remote locations, and people to see etc... but it is my unbiased opinion that there is more research, interviews, and exploring to do right here in the states than anywhere else, and it's being ignored. Now I'm really not being biased because I'm here in the states, I'm actually Scottish. But no one else in the world has spent as much money in black op budgets than right here in the states, or done more research, and has more unsolved mysteries to chase. So it is my opinion that B&K should pound the ground here more often, which would give them more opportunity to manage the whole effort. No criticism intended just business coaching. So to move forward, here is John Moore's new blog site which is very inactive and may be more like what we were expecting here on the forum for information about surviving the times we live in. http://www.ruralsurvival.info/ Not taking away from the efforts made here, just emphasizing the lack of B&K following through. Unlike here, it has a "classified" section that is free. Since it is up and working, I suggest we all use it. It would be an excellent way for us to support each other (assuming we want to), And don't be paralyzed by fear of being "found out", "seen" etc.. because if you keep doing that they will soon just find you frozen in your tracks and take you away anyway. And today it doesn't take much to be in that pot (just look at the report just leaked from the Missouri Highway Patrol), even Ron Paul is considered a terrorist now, along with Chuck Baldwin, etc. So it's too late to worry about that. It is time to get into action and make things happen and the classifieds at that site would be "doing" something. It's kind of like a Graigslist for survival.... About the Lakota bank project. It has not been going well in my opinion and so I haven't been able to recommend it. I had a long discussion with some folks about my concerns and it looks like they will be addressing them. So as soon as I see my concern fixed, I might be able to recommend using them in good conscious but in the mean time I can't. So again that is a good reason to go to JR's site. Lastly I spoke with Larry Nichols recently. It is his opinion that we will loose three cities to drug dealers because he thinks they will literally take them over. The first being El Paso. He said at that the federal government plans after the fact to surround the city and keep them from taking any more control of land in the US. While the UN sends food into the cities hostages, the drug lords will be allowed great latitudes as poppy Bush still manages to make more money from the his age old drug trade. Larry said we invaded Afghanistan because of the fear of them hurting people in America, same with Iraq, but he said please think for a second. Why are they not sending protection to the Mexico border where 8000 have been recently murdered, and a sheriff resigned when in 10 days 5 deputies were murdered by the cartel. Doesn't their silence to protect America's borders say something. He said the plans are in the works to see that happen by end of summer. In the meantime keep me and mine in mind as we do our fancy camping in the mountains and we seek what direction to take.

03-13-2009, 10:45 PM	#13
sunflower Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 443	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Hi Waterman, good to hear from you. Hope you find what you are looking for and please keep your posts coming. They are certainly worth reading! Takes the edge off our B & K beefs!

03-13-2009, 10:59 PM	#14
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Good points Carol, Luminari, eXchanger, do Bill and Kerry realize how tame this forum has become? This is probably the closest that anybody can ever get to a self moderating forum and they should be proud of what has become of this place after the subscription went into effect. DAYDREAMER, if you want news go over to Avalon in the news section where it's updated pretty regularly, and yes not always good news either, LOL!

03-13-2009, 11:13 PM	#15
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... I received word a few days ago, that Kerry is moving from Sedona, AZ back to California - time frame was expressed as "shortly." Project Avalon or Project Camelot 638 Lindero Canyon Rd. Suite 277 Oak Park, CA 91377 Let's give her some time to get moved and settled again. I also know there were a lot of interviews done on a recent trip to California with Bill and Kerry and most of those have not been edited and put up yet. Karen

03-14-2009, 01:42 AM	#16
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Wow much of this thread seems somewhat ungrateful! What is all this? I don't like to see pressure applied in this way. Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are two people among billions on this planet. Why single them out for this kind of pressure? There is no real reason - except for the tiny amount of sponsorship that many of us have donated to the cause. In my opinion they have done enough good for us all and it seems entirely wrong and as I say somewhat ungrateful for people to be complaining. Most of you don't even know what they are doing - and there is no real reason IMO that you should. I am sure that if they planned to stop contributing they would be honest enough to come here and say that. Absent that situation - what is the real problem? On the acknowledgment of volunteers (members, admins, moderators, librarians, owners!) - that is probably the biggest issue really. Each person that contributes time and information to this site to this site deserves some thanks, but is it the end of the world if they don't get it? The average level of spiritual focus amongst the active membership is (according to my take on it) exceedingly high - complaining about lack of recognition seems odd to me in that context. On the change of direction from free to paying - well there was a time for debate, but it was long ago in terms our accelerating passage of time. A choice was made and it stands today - regardless of who agrees or not. Despite the changes introduced by subscription, and despite the recent lack of commentary by two people this forum has adapted well and maintained its purpose pretty well . Sure if B&K they came and chatted here for a bit it would be nice, but would it really make that much difference? ( Except to slow them down :-) ) For what it's worth, I am pretty sure they will be back and will comment. The focussed intent of pretty much everyone on this thread will make it so A.. PS: A BIG THANK YOU to all the LIBRARIANS, ADMINS, MODERATORS AND CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS! - and the owners - B&K I still think this site is amazing and worth every voluntarily and freely donated cent !

03-14-2009, 02:06 AM	#17
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... I guess some people here feel like abandoned children...

03-14-2009, 05:36 AM	#18
EpiphaMe Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Very timely Thread starter & comments as our views, I expect, do matter to B & K. I've seen brilliant minds leave this forum (& others enter), tho some imposters, some not, still, brilliant minds). I say "timely thread" for I too have taken notice of the apparent lack of word from the founders & have not been so impressed w/the mother site Camelot, the latest uploads of interviews the past, well, this year. SOMEthing is going on and I just very much dislike it when my mind yanks me around w/assumptions (as we all know what assumptions are)... still.. the silence of B & K is an alarm tone! Mind you, I've been extremely busy myself for damned near two years... project after project... just today I finished laying & grouting tile, had the foundation poured to the greenhouse... on & on... still I check in, sometime hastily posting a comment or two here n there. I welcome this thread today because I'm tired! I'm busy, way busy... I've seen at least one person that I befriended at length just up & become part of the matrix again & has me shaking my head that I shared anything at all....... THAT is alarming. I mean, who MIGHT you trust here! I shake my head.... I'm still a fool. Waterman, so good to hear from you, p.m.anytime... my my... here I go again inviting anyone, but you Waterman, I do and have.??? And, why in hell would K move back to California ??????? Oak Park?? WTF, over! And I too have not seen any "member benefits"... deep sigh... I offer my 'worst' take...that I'm jacked off w/a subscription because there's not much happening here that you can't find elsewhere,... in fact THIS elsewhere is just ANOTHER elsewhere to clutter up my already cluttered mind. There is not much to make this site special!!! off to a good nite's sleep! Heartfelts!!

03-14-2009, 08:53 AM	#20
Luminari Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,570	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Do you think the abandonment of B&K is because they associate 'pain' with this forum after being let down and attacked by several people they thought were friends during the subscription transition saga? I also would like to express my concern that the forum is being 'diluted' daily with an overabundace of re-posting of articles from the mainstream; politics and general news that can be found elsewhere. I dont know about you guys but I am here for UFO's/contactees/astronomy anomalies and spirituality.. if I want to know what happened in the media today, I will look at Google news or Rense.com, I dont need to see it here. To the people posting every random vague thing or thought they had today, please think twice before clogging up the boards here and diverting everyone's energy to stupid trivial discussions about nothing. We have lost most of our awesome insider people because they dont want to waste their time here either. I read the most moronic posts on here like "all aliens are demons" and other religio-psychobabble. Lets show a bit more intelligence and positivity and keep within the Camelot / Avalon themes please. If you are dying to say something really stupid and be validated I can recommend GLP or Astrovera.

03-15-2009, 11:19 AM	#23
Hermano Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 21	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... Please, lets stick together and make this a good place to share knowledge and discuss issues. Bill and Kerry are working very hard and risk their lives to make this all happen, my deepest respect for them. The fact that they created this community in the first place is already worth a lot to me. Also my deepest respect for all forum people, we are here to make this work and are doing a good job. We are with many and we don't have to agree on anything, that's why the discussions are so interesting. People from all walks of life share their oppinion. We all seek growth, knowledge and wisdom and this place can help you with that. I am gratefull to have found this forum, it is a RARE place and worth fighting for. I'm glad to support this place with my $5 a month, it's a steal for the information I find here. Show a little persistence.

03-15-2009, 10:31 PM	#24
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Camelot Interviews wmv. Major Disappointment... http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=12122 Kerry thanks all who have helped with these projects, explains why Bill and Kerry are not active on the forum, and explains why she is moving back to California. "I am moving back to California after living 6 months in Sedona (a fabulous place!) because I want to work on various screenplay projects and being in close proximity to Hollywood will facilitate bringing those ideas to the screen and last but not least, I miss the ocean!!"