The Pakistani dilemma

dagon · 04-19-2009, 04:03 PM

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In the current era of ideological polarization, throughout the West, the Right and the Left diverge on almost every issue. One of the few convictions that still unifies national security strategists across the ideological spectrum is that it would be a global calamity of the first order if al-Qaida gets its hands on nuclear weapons.

Unfortunately, due to the rapid demise of nuclear-armed Pakistan as a coherent political unit, this nightmare scenario is looking more possible than ever. Indeed, if events continue to move in their current direction, it is more likely than not that in the near future, the Taliban and al-Qaida will take possession of all or parts of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.

This week has been yet another bad week in Pakistan. On Monday Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari officially surrendered the Swat Valley - an immense district in Northwest Pakistan that encompasses seven provinces - to the Taliban when he signed a regulation implementing Islamic Sharia law in the area. Following the government's capitulation in Swat, the Taliban now controls 18 out of Pakistan's 30 provinces in its northwest and Federally Administered Tribal Areas that border Afghanistan. Only two provinces remain under full government control.

With its new territory, the Taliban now controls the lives of some 6.5 million Pakistanis. For their part, the civilians live in a state of constant terror. Since the Taliban took control of Swat in February, executions, public floggings and bombings of girls' schools, restaurants, video and music stores have become routine occurrences. As a merchant in Swat's main village of Mingora told the Wall Street Journal, "We are frightened by this brutality. No one can dare to challenge them."

And with just 60 miles now separating the Taliban from the capital city of Islamabad, the Taliban are well positioned to continue their march across the country. Indeed, the Taliban appear unstoppable.

The Pakistani government, for its part, seems both unwilling and incapable of taking concerted action to destroy Taliban forces. Again according to the Wall Street Journal, Taliban fighters are flooding the Swat Valley with thousands of veteran fighters from Afghanistan and Kashmir and setting up training camps throughout the areas. Moreover, they are recruiting - both through intimidation and persuasion - still more thousands of locals to join their lines.

more found at link. I have no real thoughts on this subject. as of now.

Egg · 04-19-2009, 05:01 PM

Pakistan. Saudi Arabia.

The two most ideological driven and hate filled nations upon the face of the earth. Driven by a massive desire to islamify the entire globe, the two nations work hand in glove to keep certain factions armed to the teeth and trained.

The Bosnian war saw mujahadeen armed and funded and in some cases, troops on the ground trained or from these two nations. If the nationals in the war were not from these nations, they had arms from them and other supplies.

Afghanistan is a beautiful country filled with beautiful people. It is Pakistanis wanting control that is making the war continue into its 9th year. You want to know a really funny thing though? Iran has offered up on a plate total complete assistance in combatting pakistani taliban it knows about in return for the west taking off the blinkers and seeing Saudi Whabbism and pakistani influence for what it is in the region - state sponsored terror at the highest level.

Iran, yes the same Iran the news wants us to fear, actually wants a moderate, stable country to its east so it can take steps to reduce its border forces.

Funny old world we live in.

Humble Janitor · 04-20-2009, 01:44 AM

Actually, these silly wars and conflicts are the results of a sick and silly game of "My religion is better than yours!" in which people compete to bomb each other in the name of God/Allah/Satan/Whoever.

Where are those benevolent ETs to lay the smackdown on these primitive, greedy humans that threaten to destroy the world?

04-19-2009, 04:03 PM	#1
dagon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glen Ellen Ca Posts: 611	The Pakistani dilemma http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ticle/ShowFull In the current era of ideological polarization, throughout the West, the Right and the Left diverge on almost every issue. One of the few convictions that still unifies national security strategists across the ideological spectrum is that it would be a global calamity of the first order if al-Qaida gets its hands on nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, due to the rapid demise of nuclear-armed Pakistan as a coherent political unit, this nightmare scenario is looking more possible than ever. Indeed, if events continue to move in their current direction, it is more likely than not that in the near future, the Taliban and al-Qaida will take possession of all or parts of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. This week has been yet another bad week in Pakistan. On Monday Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari officially surrendered the Swat Valley - an immense district in Northwest Pakistan that encompasses seven provinces - to the Taliban when he signed a regulation implementing Islamic Sharia law in the area. Following the government's capitulation in Swat, the Taliban now controls 18 out of Pakistan's 30 provinces in its northwest and Federally Administered Tribal Areas that border Afghanistan. Only two provinces remain under full government control. With its new territory, the Taliban now controls the lives of some 6.5 million Pakistanis. For their part, the civilians live in a state of constant terror. Since the Taliban took control of Swat in February, executions, public floggings and bombings of girls' schools, restaurants, video and music stores have become routine occurrences. As a merchant in Swat's main village of Mingora told the Wall Street Journal, "We are frightened by this brutality. No one can dare to challenge them." And with just 60 miles now separating the Taliban from the capital city of Islamabad, the Taliban are well positioned to continue their march across the country. Indeed, the Taliban appear unstoppable. The Pakistani government, for its part, seems both unwilling and incapable of taking concerted action to destroy Taliban forces. Again according to the Wall Street Journal, Taliban fighters are flooding the Swat Valley with thousands of veteran fighters from Afghanistan and Kashmir and setting up training camps throughout the areas. Moreover, they are recruiting - both through intimidation and persuasion - still more thousands of locals to join their lines. more found at link. I have no real thoughts on this subject. as of now.

04-19-2009, 05:01 PM	#2
Egg Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 727	Re: The Pakistani dilemma Pakistan. Saudi Arabia. The two most ideological driven and hate filled nations upon the face of the earth. Driven by a massive desire to islamify the entire globe, the two nations work hand in glove to keep certain factions armed to the teeth and trained. The Bosnian war saw mujahadeen armed and funded and in some cases, troops on the ground trained or from these two nations. If the nationals in the war were not from these nations, they had arms from them and other supplies. Afghanistan is a beautiful country filled with beautiful people. It is Pakistanis wanting control that is making the war continue into its 9th year. You want to know a really funny thing though? Iran has offered up on a plate total complete assistance in combatting pakistani taliban it knows about in return for the west taking off the blinkers and seeing Saudi Whabbism and pakistani influence for what it is in the region - state sponsored terror at the highest level. Iran, yes the same Iran the news wants us to fear, actually wants a moderate, stable country to its east so it can take steps to reduce its border forces. Funny old world we live in.

04-20-2009, 01:44 AM	#3
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: The Pakistani dilemma Actually, these silly wars and conflicts are the results of a sick and silly game of "My religion is better than yours!" in which people compete to bomb each other in the name of God/Allah/Satan/Whoever. Where are those benevolent ETs to lay the smackdown on these primitive, greedy humans that threaten to destroy the world?