Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ?

Wormhole · 07-18-2009, 07:54 PM

We have a community in Northern Spokane WA that is open to people of community "service to others" mind. However, since the announcement that this community will not allow firearms, people have been dropping out like flies. The woman who is at the head of this community has received contact from an elder being who stated that "no guns" was a condition of the community's survival, and the survival of the human race.

Now I hunt. I understand both sides of the equation. Search your hearts and decide without judgement. If you are interested in this community, then please contact me.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

rhythm · 07-19-2009, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wormhole

We have a community in Northern Spokane WA that is open to people of community "service to others" mind. However, since the announcement that this community will not allow firearms, people have been dropping out like flies. The woman who is at the head of this community has received contact from an elder being who stated that "no guns" was a condition of the community's survival, and the survival of the human race.

Now I hunt. I understand both sides of the equation. Search your hearts and decide without judgement. If you are interested in this community, then please contact me.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

Its strange realy as i would not consider
going into a community WITH firearms ( well there.. would have to be a real good reason )hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Unified Serenity · 07-20-2009, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythm

Its strange realy as i would not consider
going into a community WITH firearms ( well there.. would have to be a real good reason )hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Well, I don't know what is going to happen in the future. Will there be a cataclysm from some space object that causes mass upheaval and many types of people left on the surface to try and survive? Will unarmed communities have a chance of defending themselves against those who have no desire to join in love and friendship? Do guns cause the problem? What about crossbows, knives, or other means to defend? If mankind wants to hurt one another we don't have to have a gun to do it. Firearms are the best equalizer in confrontation as women might need to take part in defense.

I would like a world reborn in love and peace, and that is my focus. I am a realist and wonder if that energy will overcome those who want to walk in an energy of selfishness, aggression, and power through superior weaponry. Are we humans doomed to follow the most base of emotions displayed by those least spiritually evolved? We are only as strong as our weakest member of the body of oneness. Can enough people with higher loving spiritual evolution change via that energy those who walk in fear and would act out of those lower emotions?

Thus, the issue of weapons is interesting. Can you partake in battle to end aggression via killing the aggressors? If the aggressors kill those peace loving people, what will become of the world?

I don't think people who desire to have protection do so for nefarious reasons. Is it giving into fear to have a weapon to stop a madman? Would you simply allow a madman to come in and kill your community so they can have your food and shelter? Really think about that situation as happening and see what your response would be if they are determined to kill you, your family, community.

I'd love to hear how you would respond. I am not so spiritually minded that if some murderer was coming at my children and others that I would simply stand there, talk to them, and not intervene should they actually try to harm them.

I would hope that would never happen, but what if it did?

TtC · 07-20-2009, 03:11 AM

The matter of firearms and weapons in general is a matter that usually comes up. Differentiation and use must first be defined. Anything can be a weapon, whether it is bubblewrap, duct tape, or a Remington 700. I would like to bring to your attention how it is that livestock are usually slaughtered; it's usually with a gun to the back of the head. It is considered humane by most as, if done properly, providing instant death. Would you be more willing the slit the animal's throat, let it suffocated and bleed out? Now you have knifes. They can be tools or weapons, just depending on the intentions of the wielder. They are also relatively silent.

What happens when someone goes insane? Something will have to be done as those seeking shelter and whatnot may, indeed, not be of sound mind. It's like the murderer in the camp which no one is willing to do anything about. You can kill the person and end it immediately, you can knock the person unconscious and leave him for dead in the forest somewhere, or you can do nothing and be murdered along with everyone else at which point the murder may take his own life or just die on his way to the next village of thirst, hunger, disease, etc. There is a moral dilemma. On which side will you stand?

If you have to hunt for food, what are you going to use? Even if you do have firearms, what happens when your ammunition is depleted? Do you know how to make more? Could you make black powder from scratch? Projectile weapons whether it is a gun or a bow, offer increased range as well as keeping yourself out of harms way, relatively speaking. I will not go into the everlasting debate as to gun control, children, etc.

You must also take into account that the United States is a gun toting country. Most think it their god given right to have a gun. You must also think that most people are in a state of fear when it comes to this topic and will do anything to defend themselves. This may lead to people agreeing not to have firearms and then sneaking them in. It may even lead to personal searches, at which point the governing body will be somewhat hypocritical of the current situation with the government.

I am not surprised that people are dropping like flies when you tell them no guns. There is always the question of protection and fear. It is decision that is ultimately yours.

Personally, I know how to shoot both firearms and in archery. My bow is below with broad head arrows as I hunt with it as well.

To the post by Winterwolf: Can you make them understand what is going on? Most people are not willing to be unplugged and in the event that something big happens, most will not know how to cope with it. You can only help so much.
NorthernSanctuary & Mudra: I think the open chat would be a good idea.

Carmen · 07-20-2009, 03:34 AM

You raise some very relevant points TtC. I think its absolutely necessary to have some guns for the very reasons you have outlined above. Its the consciousness of the user of the weapon which is the most important factor. Fear and survival consciousness will cause people to be extremely irrational and reactive if they are not prepared mentally or physically for upheavals in the coming years. Phycological/mental preparation is as important as physical preparation. People do, and should, first prepare themselves mentally for disruption to ordinary life and processes. Entertaining the what ifs and envisioning desired outcomes is the first important step to creating safety and security in the coming years.

Love and Light

Carmen

BROOK · 07-20-2009, 04:40 AM

Tell ya what...lately I've been seeing such doom and gloom...I guess if we don't get into these communities...we are all gonna die. From swine flu shots, to melting away from the sun's radiation....hmmm

Well if that's the case...I wanna have a great big going away party

What happened to the nexus evolution? What happened to using the powers that we are all born with, and never use..the ones that are supposed to be changing with the energy shifts that keep getting stronger each and every time they occur?

What happened to we are all one and need to share life with the whole world?

Carmen · 07-20-2009, 05:51 AM

Its all choice Brook. I have had the info about earth changes, conspiracies, etc for thirty years. I worked dam hard to wake up friends and family thirty years ago and was thought of as a bit odd and way out. For many years I ignored the information but I quietly started planning anyway in spite of my doubts. Its in the last few years as I have seen the predictions from thirty years ago come true that my plans and visions have consolidated. I have always wished to be of use to others, to family, friends and my community should situations become serious. A person isnt of use to anyone else if they cannot sustain themselves. They are then just part of the problem. To me it would be very stupid to not follow through on the information I have been given to prepare for an uncertain future world. Its been a huge mind shift for me, but its been great observing family and friends waking up to what is going on and making their own plans.

Nature and the animals in nature always prepare for a hard winter. We have lost our inborn instincts to do the same. Just by observing the thickness of my horses coats I can note just how hard the winter will be.

Love and LIght

Carmen

BROOK · 07-20-2009, 06:06 AM

All I have to say is bless you in all your endeavors

WinterWolf · 07-20-2009, 06:12 AM

No one is saying you cannot prepare yourself and your family for trying times. Hell, I prepare for the winter as I know the weather can be funny. I make sure there is extra supplies in the house in case of power outages, etc. People with common sense would usually make sure they have some extra supplies around.

Why would I want to segregate people? I'd rather integrate than segregate. However by building your own community, that in and of itself is segregating. All of the like minded individuals are all living there helping each other, etc. while the rest of the world looks in.

Now if this were an open commune where anyone, like minded or not can come and go and share in everything..that is different. How would it be any different than living in a gated community? So you'll have programs to let the outsiders in. So all of those other individuals who weren't lucky enough to snag a spot in the program will all just be turned away? Too bad? Soo sorry? Come back some other time?

Working on oneself is a continuing process. Just like learning is a continuing process. As you work upon yourself, you can still try to help others around you. It only stops when you want it to stop.

Winter Wolf

Carmen · 07-20-2009, 06:39 AM

Where I live in New Zealand, a farming community, friends and neighbours, plus the wider community, have always pulled together to help each other in times of crisis. I don't see that it will be any different if the situation deteriotes in the future. What I see happening here is that our valley will be inundated as dams burst and water from the coast sloshes in. Many people will not survive, but many will, and I sure as hell wont be turning people away in times of crisis, its not in my nature, but by the same token I have given up many years ago warning people to wake up and see what is happening in the world. Some people just like to snooze and that is their freewill perogative.

Love and Light

Carmen

BROOK · 07-20-2009, 06:54 AM

With much respect Carmen....I want to add that when we focus on something it will come to pass....it's the law of attraction.

If the whole world is focused on disaster..it will come to pass.

I'm praying that the world will focus on Peace for all humanity. And then it will come to pass. For if it does not..then as I stated before..I am eternal, and I don't choose to focus on what I don't want.

If the world creates this disaster...then it will be just like the nexus thread described ...and my focus will be for eternity.

God bless you all in your endeavors....but please focus on World Peace and Love of humanity.

Farewell Avalon

Jack · 07-20-2009, 07:03 AM

This is such an excelent thread! Thank you guys for talking about this, the time is such that its very important.

We are already segregated. Even though we are under the illusion of unity its just not true. Any community that is formed will be more unified then anything we have already in this society. I would rather be unified with like minds in a radient zone then be segregated in our current society.

rhythm · 07-20-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack

This is such an excelent thread! Thank you guys for talking about this, the time is such that its very important.

We are already segregated. Even though we are under the illusion of unity its just not true. Any community that is formed will be more unified then anything we have already in this society. I would rather be unified with like minds in a radient zone then be segregated in our current society.

well said jack ...

WiNaDeYo · 07-20-2009, 10:17 AM

Since it is imposssible at this time for me to leave my present location, I have been preparing to weather it out here. I don't have a local groundcrew except for my small family, but I am in contact with a small group in the UK that is planning to move off the island to the greater continent.

I am located in the central north of Italy in the Alps near the Swiss border well above 300 meters above sea level. To the NE of me there are mountain passess...very tall mountains and desolate areas, low population. This is an extremely rugged wilderness area not exploited for tourism like other areas. An abundance of wildlife, pure springs and streams teaming with trout, medicinal herbs, and abandoned agricultural areas with buildings that could be bought quite cheaply now. This particular area, and SW of here are considered the safest areas in Italy as far as earthquakes are concerned.

To the SW are lower mountian ranges that level off to join the Como Lake area towards Milan.

Although I realize the vicinity of the greater metropolis envirnment could become a problem when people there "run for the hills", I do know that fleeing the main valley, further up into these majestic mountains, could offer protection from panicked and angry crowds.

I am here. My home is open to you as a refuge, be it just for a pause or what need be.

Peace and Good Will!

mudra · 07-20-2009, 11:31 AM

Brook and Winterwolf

My vision holds no catastastrophies in the future friends .
I believe that life lived from the heart is taking care of itself.
My vision sees humanity uniting in shared values , learning to
live with one another in respect for all of creation and of mother
earth.
This has to start with some gathering with the same purpose
of laying down the step stones of a new world.
This process has already taken place testimony to this are the numerous
eco villages that already exists.These are already showing the way.
There should be inter connectdedness between all the communities
be it those that you'll build or the ones that already exists
so that each one can travel to the other and exchange freely.
When this is done on a large scale in the end every single individual
on this earth with be part of ONE loving community of beings.
We are all powerfull and radiant individuals and everyone of us allready
does his best to shine his light and wisdom around him .
Radiant people when they gather can radiate even more.
Built and gather with and from your heart and know there is nothing to fear.
We are all ONE. ONE family .All we have to do is re-member.

Loving kindness
mudra

mudra · 07-20-2009, 11:42 AM

Thank you to everyone that is coming on this thread.
Your individual viewpoints are important .
Let's keep the discussion going and the focus on the creation of a unified field.

Loving kindness
mudra

rhythm · 07-20-2009, 11:40 AM

My reason for wanting to live and work in

a community has nothing to do with

weather there will be disasters in the world

or not ... its simply a personal choice

i have no intentions of isolating my self

i feel this need to do this . i feel its

not just for me.. but to say hey you know what

you can get out of the rat race ... this is a way

you can do this ,,, then all the communities

can come together and share ..build the new

world from the ground up .... what an opportunity.....(for my grandson )

a community is not just about personal survival

someone is assumming a lot ...

this is great ...let get it all aired .. find the

community that suits you ....they wont all be the same ....

have your say here is your chance ,

right here and now .....in service of the one

rhythmmm ...(lets work together on this
not be devided ...)

NorthernSanctuary · 07-20-2009, 11:42 AM

Hi Artvision,

You have good elevation and the area sounds really nice. The only information that I've seen, talks about the issue of the problem of ash from mount Vesuvius.

You will have to go with your own intuition. While there is talk of the earth changes for the 2012 transition, there is also talk of ascension; it really seems like there is the possibility of alternate timelines, different realities for different individuals. See link:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15510

(part 13-25)

I don't doubt that mudra's vision will hold true for her. The most important preparation is a spiritual development one. Without it, one will not survive even in a survival group.

/NS

mudra · 07-20-2009, 12:03 PM

loving kindness
mudra

artvision · 07-21-2009, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

Hi Artvision,

You have good elevation and the area sounds really nice. The only information that I've seen, talks about the issue of the problem of ash from mount Vesuvius.

You will have to go with your own intuition. While there is talk of the earth changes for the 2012 transition, there is also talk of ascension; it really seems like there is the possibility of alternate timelines, different realities for different individuals. See link:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15510

(part 13-25)

I don't doubt that mudra's vision will hold true for her. The most important preparation is a spiritual development one. Without it, one will not survive even in a survival group.

/NS

Hi NorthernSantuary,

Thank you for your comment

Regarding more information for assessment, what you might recommend?

Presented up to now:

1. High Altitude
2. Distanced 90-100 km from larger city (300,000 inhabitants) and 30 Km from near town (85,000 inhabitants)
3. Low Seismic risk
4. Not on path of air currents
5. Far from any shores or seacoasts, 8 Km far from water dam, 45 m above water dam level (in case of excessive flooding , or reversal flow of water to their sources due to seismic, winds or other events)
6. Existence of local resources: water, wood, wild game
7. Small rural community at reasonable distance, for bartering, security alliances; people are OK
8. The mountains there are not of volcanic nature, so, the probability of local lava eruption is close to zero
9. Being mountain area, caves
10. Low cost of land for building
11. Area is well sun covered and windy (good for electric energy)

What might be desired to add for assessment?

Also would be very interesting to know, the organization of such retreats:

1. How decision are taken, voting
2. The chores distribution
3. Security organization, defense systems, sentries, watching posts
4. The policy with local surrounding people, near the retreat
5. What will be assessed the contribution of each member to the well being of retreat
6. How are the resources splitted between the members?
7. Are allowed the individual members have their own things, privacy, or is more something collective?

etc, etc

giovonni · 07-20-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiNaDeYo

Since it is imposssible at this time for me to leave my present location, I have been preparing to weather it out here. I don't have a local groundcrew except for my small family, but I am in contact with a small group in the UK that is planning to move off the island to the greater continent.

I am located in the central north of Italy in the Alps near the Swiss border well above 300 meters above sea level. To the NE of me there are mountain passess...very tall mountains and desolate areas, low population. This is an extremely rugged wilderness area not exploited for tourism like other areas. An abundance of wildlife, pure springs and streams teaming with trout, medicinal herbs, and abandoned agricultural areas with buildings that could be bought quite cheaply now. This particular area, and SW of here are considered the safest areas in Italy as far as earthquakes are concerned.

To the SW are lower mountian ranges that level off to join the Como Lake area towards Milan.

Although I realize the vicinity of the greater metropolis envirnment could become a problem when people there "run for the hills", I do know that fleeing the main valley, further up into these majestic mountains, could offer protection from panicked and angry crowds.

I am here. My home is open to you as a refuge, be it just for a pause or what need be.

Peace and Good Will!

Greeting's my lovely Lady

~ please don't tempt me with offers like this!!

rhythm · 07-20-2009, 04:27 PM

I know that there are people

here on this forum

who actualy need a home ....

and are not in a situation that they

can do enything to change that

and so would be ready willing and able

to join a radient zone ....

i feel that this is a time to keep an open mind

and respect all opinions ...

and to be willing to at least see there point of view

we dont allways have to agree ...

there will be those who are willing to walk away

from there weath , evan there familys ...

some who will bring there weath for the good of the all

and share it among the community

there will be some who have nothing

to leave and nothing to give (monetary )

realy where are your values

what does your heart say to you if it says stay put

then this for you is your choice and ... be guided

by your own intuit ...

no one is saying community living is a must and or for all

so let us not make right n wrong of this

only choices .....and let ue be willing to listen to all the point of view

then we are open minded and can learn and grow

in service to the one rhythmmm ....
at least we have learnt to share here havent we ?

mudra · 07-20-2009, 05:59 PM

Thank you Rhythm,

Your wisdom is a legend in Avalon

Loving kindness
mudra

mudra · 07-20-2009, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiNaDeYo

I am here. My home is open to you as a refuge, be it just for a pause or what need be.

Peace and Good Will!

Thank you WiNaDeYo for the warm love that emanates from your offer.

Peace and Good Will.. Yes these are key words I believe that we should keep in focus

Loving kindness to you
mudra

burgundia · 07-20-2009, 05:20 PM

The idea of living in a community of like-minded people is very appealing to me. I am sure that up till now not many of us could choose their neighbours and neighbourhood. Quite often we do not like the places where we live...It would be nice to live in the vicinity of people you could call friends instead of neighbours only. I'd gladly give up my 2-bedroom apartment for a room in a house with a garden to share with friends. Some people in Poland did that. They are mainly retired people. a group of close friends bought a house in the country, they live there, share the chores and from what I know are quite happy.( I read their story in a magazine).

07-18-2009, 07:54 PM	#1
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? We have a community in Northern Spokane WA that is open to people of community "service to others" mind. However, since the announcement that this community will not allow firearms, people have been dropping out like flies. The woman who is at the head of this community has received contact from an elder being who stated that "no guns" was a condition of the community's survival, and the survival of the human race. Now I hunt. I understand both sides of the equation. Search your hearts and decide without judgement. If you are interested in this community, then please contact me. Peace of Mind, Wormhole

07-20-2009, 03:11 AM	#4
TtC Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 103	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? The matter of firearms and weapons in general is a matter that usually comes up. Differentiation and use must first be defined. Anything can be a weapon, whether it is bubblewrap, duct tape, or a Remington 700. I would like to bring to your attention how it is that livestock are usually slaughtered; it's usually with a gun to the back of the head. It is considered humane by most as, if done properly, providing instant death. Would you be more willing the slit the animal's throat, let it suffocated and bleed out? Now you have knifes. They can be tools or weapons, just depending on the intentions of the wielder. They are also relatively silent. What happens when someone goes insane? Something will have to be done as those seeking shelter and whatnot may, indeed, not be of sound mind. It's like the murderer in the camp which no one is willing to do anything about. You can kill the person and end it immediately, you can knock the person unconscious and leave him for dead in the forest somewhere, or you can do nothing and be murdered along with everyone else at which point the murder may take his own life or just die on his way to the next village of thirst, hunger, disease, etc. There is a moral dilemma. On which side will you stand? If you have to hunt for food, what are you going to use? Even if you do have firearms, what happens when your ammunition is depleted? Do you know how to make more? Could you make black powder from scratch? Projectile weapons whether it is a gun or a bow, offer increased range as well as keeping yourself out of harms way, relatively speaking. I will not go into the everlasting debate as to gun control, children, etc. You must also take into account that the United States is a gun toting country. Most think it their god given right to have a gun. You must also think that most people are in a state of fear when it comes to this topic and will do anything to defend themselves. This may lead to people agreeing not to have firearms and then sneaking them in. It may even lead to personal searches, at which point the governing body will be somewhat hypocritical of the current situation with the government. I am not surprised that people are dropping like flies when you tell them no guns. There is always the question of protection and fear. It is decision that is ultimately yours. Personally, I know how to shoot both firearms and in archery. My bow is below with broad head arrows as I hunt with it as well. To the post by Winterwolf: Can you make them understand what is going on? Most people are not willing to be unplugged and in the event that something big happens, most will not know how to cope with it. You can only help so much. NorthernSanctuary & Mudra: I think the open chat would be a good idea. Last edited by TtC; 07-20-2009 at 03:17 AM.

07-20-2009, 03:34 AM	#5
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? You raise some very relevant points TtC. I think its absolutely necessary to have some guns for the very reasons you have outlined above. Its the consciousness of the user of the weapon which is the most important factor. Fear and survival consciousness will cause people to be extremely irrational and reactive if they are not prepared mentally or physically for upheavals in the coming years. Phycological/mental preparation is as important as physical preparation. People do, and should, first prepare themselves mentally for disruption to ordinary life and processes. Entertaining the what ifs and envisioning desired outcomes is the first important step to creating safety and security in the coming years. Love and Light Carmen

07-20-2009, 04:40 AM	#6
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Tell ya what...lately I've been seeing such doom and gloom...I guess if we don't get into these communities...we are all gonna die. From swine flu shots, to melting away from the sun's radiation....hmmm Well if that's the case...I wanna have a great big going away party What happened to the nexus evolution? What happened to using the powers that we are all born with, and never use..the ones that are supposed to be changing with the energy shifts that keep getting stronger each and every time they occur? What happened to we are all one and need to share life with the whole world?

07-20-2009, 05:51 AM	#7
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Its all choice Brook. I have had the info about earth changes, conspiracies, etc for thirty years. I worked dam hard to wake up friends and family thirty years ago and was thought of as a bit odd and way out. For many years I ignored the information but I quietly started planning anyway in spite of my doubts. Its in the last few years as I have seen the predictions from thirty years ago come true that my plans and visions have consolidated. I have always wished to be of use to others, to family, friends and my community should situations become serious. A person isnt of use to anyone else if they cannot sustain themselves. They are then just part of the problem. To me it would be very stupid to not follow through on the information I have been given to prepare for an uncertain future world. Its been a huge mind shift for me, but its been great observing family and friends waking up to what is going on and making their own plans. Nature and the animals in nature always prepare for a hard winter. We have lost our inborn instincts to do the same. Just by observing the thickness of my horses coats I can note just how hard the winter will be. Love and LIght Carmen

07-20-2009, 06:06 AM	#8
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? All I have to say is bless you in all your endeavors

07-20-2009, 06:12 AM	#9
WinterWolf Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Everywhere and nowhere Posts: 202	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? No one is saying you cannot prepare yourself and your family for trying times. Hell, I prepare for the winter as I know the weather can be funny. I make sure there is extra supplies in the house in case of power outages, etc. People with common sense would usually make sure they have some extra supplies around. Why would I want to segregate people? I'd rather integrate than segregate. However by building your own community, that in and of itself is segregating. All of the like minded individuals are all living there helping each other, etc. while the rest of the world looks in. Now if this were an open commune where anyone, like minded or not can come and go and share in everything..that is different. How would it be any different than living in a gated community? So you'll have programs to let the outsiders in. So all of those other individuals who weren't lucky enough to snag a spot in the program will all just be turned away? Too bad? Soo sorry? Come back some other time? Working on oneself is a continuing process. Just like learning is a continuing process. As you work upon yourself, you can still try to help others around you. It only stops when you want it to stop. Winter Wolf

07-20-2009, 06:39 AM	#10
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Where I live in New Zealand, a farming community, friends and neighbours, plus the wider community, have always pulled together to help each other in times of crisis. I don't see that it will be any different if the situation deteriotes in the future. What I see happening here is that our valley will be inundated as dams burst and water from the coast sloshes in. Many people will not survive, but many will, and I sure as hell wont be turning people away in times of crisis, its not in my nature, but by the same token I have given up many years ago warning people to wake up and see what is happening in the world. Some people just like to snooze and that is their freewill perogative. Love and Light Carmen

07-20-2009, 06:54 AM	#11
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? With much respect Carmen....I want to add that when we focus on something it will come to pass....it's the law of attraction. If the whole world is focused on disaster..it will come to pass. I'm praying that the world will focus on Peace for all humanity. And then it will come to pass. For if it does not..then as I stated before..I am eternal, and I don't choose to focus on what I don't want. If the world creates this disaster...then it will be just like the nexus thread described ...and my focus will be for eternity. God bless you all in your endeavors....but please focus on World Peace and Love of humanity. Farewell Avalon

07-20-2009, 07:03 AM	#12
Jack Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 454	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? This is such an excelent thread! Thank you guys for talking about this, the time is such that its very important. We are already segregated. Even though we are under the illusion of unity its just not true. Any community that is formed will be more unified then anything we have already in this society. I would rather be unified with like minds in a radient zone then be segregated in our current society.

07-20-2009, 10:17 AM	#14
WiNaDeYo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lombardy, Italy Posts: 222	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Since it is imposssible at this time for me to leave my present location, I have been preparing to weather it out here. I don't have a local groundcrew except for my small family, but I am in contact with a small group in the UK that is planning to move off the island to the greater continent. I am located in the central north of Italy in the Alps near the Swiss border well above 300 meters above sea level. To the NE of me there are mountain passess...very tall mountains and desolate areas, low population. This is an extremely rugged wilderness area not exploited for tourism like other areas. An abundance of wildlife, pure springs and streams teaming with trout, medicinal herbs, and abandoned agricultural areas with buildings that could be bought quite cheaply now. This particular area, and SW of here are considered the safest areas in Italy as far as earthquakes are concerned. To the SW are lower mountian ranges that level off to join the Como Lake area towards Milan. Although I realize the vicinity of the greater metropolis envirnment could become a problem when people there "run for the hills", I do know that fleeing the main valley, further up into these majestic mountains, could offer protection from panicked and angry crowds. I am here. My home is open to you as a refuge, be it just for a pause or what need be. Peace and Good Will!

07-20-2009, 11:31 AM	#15
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Brook and Winterwolf My vision holds no catastastrophies in the future friends . I believe that life lived from the heart is taking care of itself. My vision sees humanity uniting in shared values , learning to live with one another in respect for all of creation and of mother earth. This has to start with some gathering with the same purpose of laying down the step stones of a new world. This process has already taken place testimony to this are the numerous eco villages that already exists.These are already showing the way. There should be inter connectdedness between all the communities be it those that you'll build or the ones that already exists so that each one can travel to the other and exchange freely. When this is done on a large scale in the end every single individual on this earth with be part of ONE loving community of beings. We are all powerfull and radiant individuals and everyone of us allready does his best to shine his light and wisdom around him . Radiant people when they gather can radiate even more. Built and gather with and from your heart and know there is nothing to fear. We are all ONE. ONE family .All we have to do is re-member. Loving kindness mudra Last edited by mudra; 07-21-2009 at 09:10 AM.

07-20-2009, 11:42 AM	#16
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Thank you to everyone that is coming on this thread. Your individual viewpoints are important . Let's keep the discussion going and the focus on the creation of a unified field. Loving kindness mudra

07-20-2009, 11:40 AM	#17
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? *My reason for wanting to live and work in* *a community has nothing to do with* *weather there will be disasters in the world* *or not ... its simply a personal choice* *i have no intentions of isolating my self* *i feel this need to do this . i feel its* *not just for me.. but to say hey you know what* *you can get out of the rat race ... this is a way* *you can do this ,,, then all the communities* *can come together and share ..build the new* *world from the ground up .... what an opportunity.....(for my grandson )* *a community is not just about personal survival* *someone is assumming a lot ...* *this is great ...let get it all aired .. find the* *community that suits you ....they wont all be the same ....* *have your say here is your chance ,* *right here and now .....in service of the one* *rhythmmm ...(lets work together on this* *not be devided ...)*

07-20-2009, 11:42 AM	#18
NorthernSanctuary Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 698	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Hi Artvision, You have good elevation and the area sounds really nice. The only information that I've seen, talks about the issue of the problem of ash from mount Vesuvius. You will have to go with your own intuition. While there is talk of the earth changes for the 2012 transition, there is also talk of ascension; it really seems like there is the possibility of alternate timelines, different realities for different individuals. See link: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15510 (part 13-25) I don't doubt that mudra's vision will hold true for her. The most important preparation is a spiritual development one. Without it, one will not survive even in a survival group. /NS

07-20-2009, 12:03 PM	#19
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? loving kindness mudra Last edited by mudra; 07-20-2009 at 12:07 PM.

07-20-2009, 04:27 PM	#22
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? I know that there are people here on this forum who actualy need a home .... and are not in a situation that they can do enything to change that and so would be ready willing and able to join a radient zone .... i feel that this is a time to keep an open mind and respect all opinions ... and to be willing to at least see there point of view we dont allways have to agree ... there will be those who are willing to walk away from there weath , evan there familys ... some who will bring there weath for the good of the all and share it among the community there will be some who have nothing to leave and nothing to give (monetary ) realy where are your values what does your heart say to you if it says stay put then this for you is your choice and ... be guided by your own intuit ... no one is saying community living is a must and or for all so let us not make right n wrong of this only choices .....and let ue be willing to listen to all the point of view then we are open minded and can learn and grow in service to the one rhythmmm .... at least we have learnt to share here havent we ?

07-20-2009, 05:59 PM	#23
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Thank you Rhythm, Your wisdom is a legend in Avalon Loving kindness mudra

07-20-2009, 05:20 PM	#25
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? The idea of living in a community of like-minded people is very appealing to me. I am sure that up till now not many of us could choose their neighbours and neighbourhood. Quite often we do not like the places where we live...It would be nice to live in the vicinity of people you could call friends instead of neighbours only. I'd gladly give up my 2-bedroom apartment for a room in a house with a garden to share with friends. Some people in Poland did that. They are mainly retired people. a group of close friends bought a house in the country, they live there, share the chores and from what I know are quite happy.( I read their story in a magazine).