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Old 08-25-2009, 04:51 AM   #1
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Human's have endlessly told each other, just be positive, just be good, just do the right thing, and have endlessly not done the right thing, been a mix of both good and bad and continuously experienced the highs and the lows... and in the end, thousands of years of 'civilization' later, we're still all focused on our own tiny little lives while a power elite that exploits and rules over the people.

How can you only focus on light before we have got to the bottom of the problem of why the world is suffering in the first place? Only focusing on the light sounds nice, but has it ever worked for the world? Is this advice any different from anything we've been telling ourselves for millenium?
The reminds me of the book I read long ago - The Gods of Eden - Since the beginning of our time on earth humans have naturally gathered to do the good and the right thing. And always - always they are infiltrated with divide and conquer saboteurs. "Alien" beings interfere in our lives on this planet to constantly keep us in turmoil and war. The author drew references from many worldly texts to support his explanation. It was so obviously correct I didn't even finish the book ...
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:56 AM   #2
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The Gods of Eden by William Bramley

"They Are With Us Still...

"Human history is a seemingly endless succession of bloody conflicts and devastating turmoil. Yet, inexplicably, in the light of astonishing intellectual and technological advancement, Man's progress has been halted in one crucial area: he still indulges the primitive beast within and makes war upon his neighbors.

"As a result of seven years of intense research, William Bramley has uncovered the sinister thread that links humanity's darkest events -- from the wars of the ancient pharaohs to the assassination of JFK. In this remarkable, shocking and absolutely compelling work, Bramley presents disturbing evidence of an alien presence on Earth -- extraterrestrial visitors who have conspired to dominate Humankind through violence and chaos since the beginning of time...a conspiracy which continues to this very day."

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Old 09-01-2009, 12:54 PM   #3
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Amazon.com: The Gods of Eden (9780380718078): William Bramley: Books
The Gods of Eden by William Bramley

"They Are With Us Still...

"Human history is a seemingly endless succession of bloody conflicts and devastating turmoil. Yet, inexplicably, in the light of astonishing intellectual and technological advancement, Man's progress has been halted in one crucial area: he still indulges the primitive beast within and makes war upon his neighbors.

"As a result of seven years of intense research, William Bramley has uncovered the sinister thread that links humanity's darkest events -- from the wars of the ancient pharaohs to the assassination of JFK. In this remarkable, shocking and absolutely compelling work, Bramley presents disturbing evidence of an alien presence on Earth -- extraterrestrial visitors who have conspired to dominate Humankind through violence and chaos since the beginning of time...a conspiracy which continues to this very day."

The Gods of Eden by William Brantley is excellent as you say. It is available on line in pdf file for free but I can't remember exactly where I got it. Perhaps on the Squib website but it may have been through google search. Anyway, if anyone wants me to send a pdf copy to them via e-mail I would be happy to do so. My screen name is my e-mail address on aol. Happy to send it to anyone. Emma
can't remember where.
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Old 08-25-2009, 05:07 AM   #4
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Hi Karen,

I completely agree that at high levels this has been happening in one form or another for a very long time.. and this is certainly something we need to get off of humanities back in order to have a world that works, a very primary factor. Thank you for pointing this out and it needs to be explored further...

I think it's important to bring the story much closer to home as well and look at it even within our own lives... within 'we the people'.

None of us, no where have managed to create a utopia on earth. No matter what community starts up, who is involved, it always comes down to politics, agendas and non-perfection. Now of course there is love, but let's be honest here, it's not all love! No community, no where, it's never in written history existed this utopia on earth, this abundant earth we've heard so much about.

Yes, manipulative aliens are a part of that surely. However, the story is much closer to home when we see that it is our own darkside that will erupt and cause problems with any community that starts up. Sure we might blame another, but it takes two to tango.

As long as we hold on to our own darkness, we will not have the abundant world that we know we are meant to have... so a key part of the path is to surrender our own darkness.. which I suggest is personified in the ego.

Once that's done, then we're really ready to shine our light on this world, get rid of all the baddies and help others achieve the true freedom they deserve! Freedom from the monkey on their back both in society, represented by the power elite, and freedom in their own lives, represented by freedom from the false self, the dark self that is the human ego (my take!). Not to be mean to the ego, just to send it love and observation is all to transmute it and be reborn into the higher consciousness.



P.S. Important to consider: Behind the darkest aliens, are dark fallen beings that control them. It is worth considering that the top dark lords are not in bodies, but are basically consciousness itself. For example, imagine a personification of the consciousness of Greed, or another one of hate, or another one of jealousy, or another one of pride, or another one of false mental spirituality etc..

Consider that these larger beings which are personifications of negative consciousness itself are what controls these dark aliens and infects governments and society at large. But consider it is literally the SAME consciousness and beings that creeps in and infects our own little lives and attempts to destroy the good in even the little things. My point here is, the dark aliens are very much controlled by various consciousness of anti-christ, but consider that until we have surrendered our own darkness, that the same consciousness that controls the aliens to work against our evolution, works in US.

So even getting rid of the overlords is only a part of the solution, shining the light on our own darkness and surrendering it is the ultimate key and that is how the collective consciousness will shift and the abundant life will be manifest for all life! Yay.

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Old 08-25-2009, 06:56 AM   #5
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Okay, 14 Chakras, you have sort of answered your own question from your first post on this thread. The elevated consciousness that I am talking about is attained by the person who has faced, understood and accepted their own darkness/negativitiy, altered ego, whatever you want to call it! And this part of themselves is usually projected on to other people, situations and events. In this mirroring of the One, we would never recognise anything outside of ourselves if it wasn't an aspect of us.

We put on our own seatbelts first because without it we are no help to anyone else. So, we have trawled through all the crappy stuff. We have read and studied endlessly about illuminatees, conspiracy, good aliens, bad aliens, disasters, liars, control freaks!!!! Then what???More of the same? Or could it be asking ourselves the question, "What can I do?" Am I part of the problem, or can I be part of the solution?"

So, in introspection, serious inner inquiry, maybe, just maybe, we start to glean some answers. Not from outside of ourselves, but from inside. We can look at our own attitudes, our own "terrain". From that we see a little more clearly where we can change things on a personal level. We can start 'applying' what we have learned, and gaining some experience, some wisdom.

You are quite right about communities falling apart after awhile, after promising much, from peoples **** coming to the surface. Unless and until we have brought our **** to the surface, looked at it, accepted it, and have chosen to "be' different, we can't even lead ourselves, let alone relate well to other people. All changes in consciousness start with the individual, which then spreads, affecting those close, which then radiates out to the community and on and on. Those vibrating on higher levels do not attract lower vibrational beings unless they still have "stuff" to deal with. There is such a thing as spiritual ego to deal with when people start evolving which is a more sutle, trickier, sucker to deal with.

Thanks for the opportunity to address this. Im not sure I have conveyed all that I wish to, cos words are difficult to form sometimes, to communicate meaning.

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Old 08-25-2009, 07:25 AM   #6
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Hi Carmen - I love that gardening story. It reminds me of when I was 'gardening' my young family. The children (knock on wood) flourished with a few good books, regular mealtimes and baths, lots of play with friends. These were simple things to provide - and the growth took care of itself.

I always enjoyed their little perspectives, so there was also lots of merriment. These things were like their terrain. Sometimes I think even the house (with its interesting toys and messes), the trees in the yard and our pleasant neighbors helped me raise my family more than my personal efforts did!

Soil management and its fascinating potentials LOL kind of like civilizations' timelines
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:02 AM   #7
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Hi Carmen
When I first read your thread's title before going to sleep early this morning~
After taking a brief respite from this planes conscious awareness,
I awoke on a distant cosmic shore~
with the sensation of water and sand filtering through my toes
I could hear a gentle~ provocative voice calling out~

beckening too me

"By Their Works Ye Shall Know Them"

I pondered this for a moment~ as I fully awoke,
recalling a similiar visionary memory~
of a man talking to some fishermen~
asking them to lay down their nets and follow him~
a sort of fisherman of mankind~ you might say

Yes~ I believe <> one shall truly know them

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Old 08-25-2009, 12:01 PM   #8
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I can not nor do I lay claim to the following. Those who know where they originate will know the power of them.



PATH TO CONSCIOUS AWARENESS

1. Come to accept that we have lost the connection to our higher self.
2. Come to accept that our higher self when connected to our consciousness can return us to balance.
3. Make a decision to hand our life and will over to our higher self.
4. Make a candid and honest review of our current attitudes in light of the heart virtues
5. Share these details with the higher self, and another person.
6. When ready humbly ask the higher self to remove all attitudes that are not consistent with the heart virtues.
7. Make a list of all people we have harmed as a result of our review
8. Where possible without causing any further harm, seek out those we have wronged and make our amends.
9. Continue on a daily basis to review our attitudes in regard to the heart virtues.
10. On a daily basis through meditation seek to improve our connection to the higher self.
11. Having made the connection to our higher self we practice its principals in all our affairs.
12. When invited, extend the hand of help to those seeking to reconnect with there own higher self, by guiding them along this path.
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:56 PM   #9
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Ephesians 5:9

For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth



Lets be lanterns and lights and expose darkness when we see it


Ephesians 5:11-13

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them

For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret

But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light




Lets take the shortcut lol


John 8:12

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:41 PM   #10
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The elevated consciousness that I am talking about is attained by the person who has faced, understood and accepted their own darkness/negativitiy, altered ego, whatever you want to call it!
I agree with this, I just believe the key is not to accept the darkness, which is the illusions, rather the key is to transmute it and surrender it. But how to do this?

I love the story about replacing the soil to get rid of the weeds. This is a great allegory.

Until we completely replace who we think we are, will we really be able to replace the weeds in our own consciousness?

As long as we think we are separate from others and separate from our source, will we ever be able to live life that is focused on raising up the whole rather than comparing ourselves to others and trying to raise ourselves up in comparison to them?

Throughout all of history, we've told ourselves, love others like yourself, be nice to others, but no matter how hard we try, it doesn't change the world because we are not changed as much as we tell ourselves we should be...

I think the ONLY way we are going to succeed, is when we finally change the soil. We have to change the soil from the dualistic consciousness of the human ego, to the reality of who we are in Oneness with the infinite and other life.

We must be "reborn" in order to bring forth the abundant life. The greatest among us are the greatest servants of all, and the greatest servants of all are ego less.

Is it possible the future leadership of humanity is ego less? Those who will save the world will first save themselves by surrendering their illusions of separation, their human ego. They will have been reborn where their eye is single, where they live by "not my will but thine be done" because they clearly see "I and my father are One".

Only then will we move beyond lack and limitation and truly bring forth solutions that fix humanities problems rather than endlessly telling ourselves we just need to be better people. Thinking we are 'people' is the entire problem in the first place... we're co-creators and we're divine, infinite spiritual beings who should have full dominion over this matter realm.

So I completely agree, let's work towards replacing the bad soil, the consciousness of separation and duality, the human ego, and work towards replacing it with the good soil of the Christ consciousness where we clearly see all life is One, therefore our victory is won!

Espavo!

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