Experimenting with Time?

Angel in Disguise · 12-21-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

Not an antagonist. More of a critical thinker.

I have noticed you and the angel there making reference to 'wasting time' and 'a few days ago'.

Or is that illusion?

Oh Scarab... we all have different illusions and yours may not be the same as ours and that's ok... Which is why we can agree to disagree

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

Oh Scarab... we all have different illusions and yours may not be the same as ours and that's ok... Which is why we can agree to disagree

Believe it or not, I have an open mind.

Show me (in simple terms and your own words) how time is an illusion. Please explain how the examples from nature I gave fit into the illusion and also please explain how the illusion applies to the limited days in a man's life.

I do want to learn. It's just that, at the surface, it sounds like bunk.

Angel in Disguise · 12-21-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

Believe it or not, I have an open mind.

Show me how time is an illusion. Please explain how the examples from nature I gave fit into the illusion and also please explain how the illusion applies to the limited days in a man's life.

I do want to learn. It's just that, at the surface, it sounds like bunk.

It sounds bunk because you're not open to seeing the opposite of what you know or think you know or perhaps were taught... Once you master that the possiblities are endless... or should I say 'timeless'

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

It sounds bunk because you're not open to seeing the opposite of what you know or think you know or perhaps were taught... Once you master that the possiblities are endless... or should I say 'timeless'

If you don't want to explain it, that's OK too. Maybe somebody else can?

Angel in Disguise · 12-21-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

If you don't want to explain it, that's OK too. Maybe somebody else can?

Best way to explain it is it's like when you go on vacation... You often lost track of the time, you see it's day or night but you never know what time nor day it is... It doesn't matter, it just IS. Does that help?

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

Best way to explain it is it's like when you go on vacation... You often lost track of the time, you see it's day or night but you never know what time nor day it is... It doesn't matter, it just IS. Does that help?

Honestly. No.

Because during that vacation, if you're flying on an airplane and staying at a hotel, taking tours or doing activities, there are check in times, waiting times, check out times, show times, tour times etc.

Even if you walk into the wilderness for vacation, there is a time to leave, a time to sleep, a time to eat and when you return you will have spent x days and/or y hours in the wildernes.

Time will have passed.

Angel in Disguise · 12-21-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

Honestly. No.

Because during that vacation, if you're flying on an airplane and staying at a hotel, taking tours or doing activities, there are check in times, waiting times, check out times, show times, tour times etc.

Even if you walk into the wilderness for vacation, there is a time to leave, a time to sleep, a time to eat and when you return you will have spent x days and/or y hours in the wildernes.

Time will have passed.

The point is... What if there wasn't?

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

The point is... What if there wasn't?

OK. The 'what if' makes it pretty clear to me now. Thank You.

Angel in Disguise · 12-21-2009, 08:43 AM

It's either clear or it's not and I'm not convinced you 'clearly' understand by your response... Was that condescending or was it really 'clearly' understood?

Fredkc · 12-21-2009, 09:05 AM

Scarab - You are having entirely too much fun with this. (he heh)
Ever see the movie "Deep Blue Sea" ?

1982, Alain Aspect conducted some experiments in particle physics.

"Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm..."

So time, along with space becomes either an all-inclusive "now", or a paradox.

Finally, there is a great family-owned "greasy spoon" restaurant about 6 miles from me called El Rancho. They do an incredible omelet!

How's 12:30 Monday sound for lunch?

Fred

Anchor · 12-21-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarab

If you don't want to explain it, that's OK too. Maybe somebody else can?

I'd like to try.

When you are focussed on an very absorbing task - one that you enjoy, time passes but most people can relate the experience of when the awareness of time passing does not happen. It doesn't always happen, but when it does it can be quite profound.

When you are done with your task - you realise how much time has passed - yet you are amazed at the disconnect between that fact and how it actually feels

In my view - if you can relate to that - then there lies a clue to what I think is being expressed.

I would say that it is the experience of time that is an illusion.

Time is a fact not an illusion. Time passes. Linear time is experienced, it can be measured. The original post does not refute that either. It simply says the mechanics are changing.

Have you never driven from A to B and then suddenly realised you just arrived with no recollection of the minutiae of details that happened on the journey - nor the passage of time associated with it? It is a common experience among people undergoing energetic changes within their bodies.

A..

Fredkc · 12-21-2009, 09:11 AM

Hey Anchor... how's it going?

That was why I asked,
Ever see the movie "Deep Blue Sea" ?

In there is a great explanation of that:
"Put your hand on a hot stove, a second can seem like an hour.
Put your hand on a hot woman, and an hour goes by like a second."

Fred

Anchor · 12-21-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredkc

"Put your hand on a hot stove, a second can seem like an hour.
Put your hand on a hot woman, and an hour goes by like a second."

Somewhat crude but effective analogy

A..

Scarab · 12-21-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

I'd like to try.

When you are focussed on an very absorbing task - one that you enjoy, time passes but most people can relate the experience of when the awareness of time passing does not happen. It doesn't always happen, but when it does it can be quite profound.

When you are done with your task - you realise how much time has passed - yet you are amazed at the disconnect between that fact and how it actually feels

In my view - if you can relate to that - then there lies a clue to what I think is being expressed.

I would say that it is the experience of time that is an illusion.

Time is a fact not an illusion. Time passes. Linear time is experienced, it can be measured. The original post does not refute that either. It simply says the mechanics are changing.

Have you never driven from A to B and then suddenly realised you just arrived with no recollection of the minutiae of details that happened on the journey - nor the passage of time associated with it? It is a common experience among people undergoing energetic changes within their bodies.

A..

I can agree fully that our perception of how quickly time passes changes. It seems to be based mostly on how much attention we pay to time.

8 or 10 hours of sleep passes with immediacy.

I was questioning the posters who stated that 'time is an illusion' and seemed to state that no day is different from any other.

As for the OP, if the rotation of the earth is speeding up, then days will become shorter. If (and I mean IF) the earth's core spins at a different rate than the earth's crust, I would say that would have no bearing on our perception of time.

Time is the measurement of speed at which interstellar and intersolar objects move through space in relation to each other.

I don't think anyone here can experiment with that.

371 · 12-21-2009, 08:08 AM

I don't know if scarab is necessarily saying you are wrong.

I think he just wants you to explain why you think that, if you understand why or are just parroting another new age bullet point.

I'm just guessing though on that. Maybe I'm not understanding either.

Angel in Disguise · 12-21-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 371

I don't know if scarab is necessarily saying you are wrong.

I think he just wants you to explain why you think that, if you understand why or are just parroting another new age bullet point.

Maybe I'm not understanding either, though.

I'm not taking it as wrong, more like different views and that's ok... I have no problem with that whatsoever. Just find it hard to express what I know in that sense, trying but obviously having difficulties and that is not Scarab's fault. If anything it's mine

12-21-2009, 08:43 AM	#9
Angel in Disguise Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364	Re: Experimenting with Time? It's either clear or it's not and I'm not convinced you 'clearly' understand by your response... Was that condescending or was it really 'clearly' understood?

12-21-2009, 09:05 AM	#10
Fredkc Project Avalon Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Riverside, ca. Posts: 898	Re: Experimenting with Time? Scarab - You are having entirely too much fun with this. (he heh) Ever see the movie "Deep Blue Sea" ? 1982, Alain Aspect conducted some experiments in particle physics. "Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm..." So time, along with space becomes either an all-inclusive "now", or a paradox. Finally, there is a great family-owned "greasy spoon" restaurant about 6 miles from me called El Rancho. They do an incredible omelet! How's 12:30 Monday sound for lunch? Fred __________________ "Life IS mystical! It's just that we're used to it" Evil cannot be killed. Only redeemed. Chat us up at: Avalon Chat

12-21-2009, 09:11 AM	#12
Fredkc Project Avalon Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Riverside, ca. Posts: 898	Re: Experimenting with Time? Hey Anchor... how's it going? That was why I asked, Ever see the movie "Deep Blue Sea" ? In there is a great explanation of that: "Put your hand on a hot stove, a second can seem like an hour. Put your hand on a hot woman, and an hour goes by like a second." Fred __________________ "Life IS mystical! It's just that we're used to it" Evil cannot be killed. Only redeemed. Chat us up at: Avalon Chat

12-21-2009, 08:08 AM	#15
371 Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 503	Re: Experimenting with Time? I don't know if scarab is necessarily saying you are wrong. I think he just wants you to explain why you think that, if you understand why or are just parroting another new age bullet point. I'm just guessing though on that. Maybe I'm not understanding either.