SNOW CIRCLES ...instead of CROP CIRCLES

[trainedobserver]

I doubt anyone is going to want to hear this but from all that I have been able to gather, complex crop circles are created by human artists. I think these snow circles are just more of the same.

Matthew Williams is a crop circle maker and documentary maker in England. He has a YouTube channel called truthseeker666 with numerous videos describing how crop circles are actually made. He also has the absolute best 3 hour crop circle documentary there that anyone interested in the phenomena simply must watch.

After years of looking into this I am convinced crop circles aren't ETs trying to send us a message. If they are then the ETs would be guilty of choosing one of the most inefficient methods imaginable.

Also, before I get the usual "what about this or that" responses let me say this. Crop circle makers have created formations and allowed researchers to test them. These 100% for sure created by humans crop circles have shown all the traits of supposed "genuine" crop circles, ie. strange magnetic and radiation readings, blown nodes, and so forth. The evidence and information is out there.

Crop circles are at best a distraction. At worst they have become a UFO neo-religion with the crop circle makers the unwitting gods/priests to the believers and reseachers who refuse to recognize their presence.

I think that the Norway Spiral will be appearing in crop circle formations in the future because of the great interest it generated and the place it has already found for itself in the mythos.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I doubt anyone is going to want to hear this but from all that I have been able to gather, complex crop circles are created by human artists. I think these snow circles are just more of the same.

Matthew Williams is a crop circle maker and documentary maker in England. He has a YouTube channel called truthseeker666 with numerous videos describing how crop circles are actually made. He also has the absolute best 3 hour crop circle documentary there that anyone interested in the phenomena simply must watch.

After years of looking into this I am convinced crop circles aren't ETs trying to send us a message. If they are then the ETs would be guilty of choosing one of the most inefficient methods imaginable.

Also, before I get the usual "what about this or that" responses let me say this. Crop circle makers have created formations and allowed researchers to test them. These 100% for sure created by humans crop circles have shown all the traits of supposed "genuine" crop circles, ie. strange magnetic and radiation readings, blown nodes, and so forth. The evidence and information is out there.

Crop circles are at best a distraction. At worst they have become a UFO neo-religion with the crop circle makers the unwitting gods/priests to the believers and reseachers who refuse to recognize their presence.

I think that the Norway Spiral will be appearing in crop circle formations in the future because of the great interest it generated and the place it has already found for itself in the mythos.

I'm 100 % backing you up here. I've been 15 years in the crop circle community on both sides. As researcher in the beginning and ended as circlemaker. Sadly the mass so want's to believe that this is from an outside source/aliens/special energies. The truth is they are none of them. To start off the so called anomalies such as blown and elongated nodes are the effects of phototropism. The downed plants reorientate themselves back to the light and this causes them to bend at the nodes. In some cases you will find the nodes blown open and then yeast (black fungi) comes out. That is because the plant bends quicker than the normal growth rate. Nothing special just the effects of nature. The so called untouched bloom which actually reapears every morning when the dew gets heated up by the sunlight. Also when someone calls himself a bio physisist without having a Phd raises some questions about the honest research being done in this. No wonder no REAL scientist has ever touched the research because they also know what the effect are of stressed plants. As for the magnetic effects that is also simply understood. The single plants have a magentic field. The fileds themselves have a magnetic field. If you disturb this magnetic field by pushing the crop down you alter the magnetic value of this field. No wonder the magnetometers are picking up on it or even dowsing for that matter.
Glad to see some people are not accepting the spoon of myths and lies about
this phenomena. I'm not saying there aren't any paranormal effects in this phenomena but those are in a total different field of research. It has nothing to do with the plants themselves. Good observation trainedobserver.

here is a 3 hour documentary that goes a little deeper into the circlemaking activities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgfuUwM4xQQ

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I doubt anyone is going to want to hear this but from all that I have been able to gather, complex crop circles are created by human artists. I think these snow circles are just more of the same.

Matthew Williams is a crop circle maker and documentary maker in England. He has a YouTube channel called truthseeker666 with numerous videos describing how crop circles are actually made. He also has the absolute best 3 hour crop circle documentary there that anyone interested in the phenomena simply must watch.

Oh well, guess I'm pretty guilible cause I still believe that they are not all man made no matter what you wrote. In fact 2 of the well known researchers were murdered and I wonder why someone would want them to shut up ?

Please dont hold it against me. I dont believe in the 666 for the mark of the beast.............scare tactic symbol.

[THE eXchanger]

666 can be inverted to 999

and, it is NOT a mark of the beast ~ and, if it is,

what fools they were, to chose something so obvious

THE YEAR OF TRUTH ~ or ~ CONSEQUENCES is ahead !!!

2010 ~ can you hear the bells ringing yet ???

Will sure be interesting to see,
who can surf, and, who falls off their boards
(pardon the bun)

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

666 can be inverted to 999

and, it is NOT a mark of the beast ~ and, if it is,

what fools they were, to chose something so obvious

You raise an excellent point. Numbers are simply symbols created by human beings. Outside of human experience they have no meaning whatsoever. They hold no significance or meaning beyond what human beings give to them. The same is true for crop circles, snow circles, or dirt circles for that matter. To truly realize this is to be set free from a great deal of ... shall we say ... potential manipulation.

[TRANCOSO]

I doubt anyone is going to want to hear this but from all that I have been able to gather, complex crop circles are created by human artists.

TrainedObserver, I don't know what you gathered where, but obviously you haven't gathered enough, otherwise you wouldn't come up with this.

I'm 100 % backing you up here. I've been 15 years in the crop circle community on both sides. As researcher in the beginning and ended as circlemaker.

Circlemaker Soulcrafter, it took 80 people 2 days to create the huge formation in Holland, at the end of last summer.

The Crop Formation mystery is not about human made formations, it's about formations which appeared in the wink of an eye.

Both Soulcrafter & Trainedobserver are artists though.
BS artists.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

TrainedObserver, I don't know what you gathered where, but obviously you haven't gathered enough, otherwise you wouldn't come up with this.

Whatever.

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

The Crop Formation mystery is not about human made formations, it's about formations which appeared in the wink of an eye.

I have seen no reliable evidence that any have appeared in such a manner. I have seen tons of reliable evidence to the contrary. Based on evidence ...what should I conclude?

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Both Soulcrafter & Trainedobserver are artists though.
BS artists.

The ad hominem attack. A waste of time and space.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

TrainedObserver, I don't know what you gathered where, but obviously you haven't gathered enough, otherwise you wouldn't come up with this.



Circlemaker Soulcrafter, it took 80 people 2 days to create the huge formation in Holland, at the end of last summer.

The Crop Formation mystery is not about human made formations, it's about formations which appeared in the wink of an eye.

Both Soulcrafter & Trainedobserver are artists though.
BS artists.

Please don't make assumptions about me and trainedobserver.

Show me one formation which supposedly appeared in the blink of an eye....

[mntruthseeker]

The truth is we are all right

Some are made by the "decievers" hands under their command

Some are ET's and like I said before why did they kill off two of the investigators ?


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....c=89348.0;wap2

sorry cant remember the other ones name.........I in the middle of making dinner so it will have to wait

[hollylindin]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

The truth is we are all right

I agree, TruthSeeker - I've always believed E.T.'s were behind crop circles, but I've also seen the truth behind the powers that were assembling teams or using far-reaching technology in order to create a few of these. Because the truth is, if one person who believes "aliens" are behind crop circles sees proof that a HUMAN created one, perhaps they would lose their faith in beings of other worlds! Horrible, dirty trick, I think, but it's up to us to not take everything at face value and instead search within to find the answers.

<3

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Oh well, guess I'm pretty guilible cause I still believe that they are not all man made no matter what you wrote. In fact 2 of the well known researchers were murdered and I wonder why someone would want them to shut up ?

Please dont hold it against me. I dont believe in the 666 for the mark of the beast.............scare tactic symbol.

Oh, well good then. You shouldn't change your mind based on the few words that I posted. You should watch and read everything you can about the subject before drawing a conclusion. If you haven't watched Matthew's videos and documentaries then you most certainly should as I think they contain the hidden truth behind the phenomena.

As the above posting of SoulCrafter points out. Often, people who REALLY investigate crop circles discover the truth and become crop circle makers themselves. This was the case for Matthew Williams and several others mentioned in his videos as well. Crop Circles are actually a sociological phenomena and not a "paranormal" one. Which in my opinion, makes it even more fascinating but for different reasons.

Why would a researcher be murdered? For any number of reasons I imagine. The hostility toward anyone who points out the truth of crop circles amongst crop circle true believers is of course ... tremendous. There is a great deal of money and face to be preserved. Crop Circles are a "cash crop" for unscrupulous researchers, people get nasty when you challenge their livelihood or their dearly held beliefs.

Crop circles are a distraction. There is nothing of any significance to be learned from puzzling over the formations ... they are nothing more than cereal Rorschach blots ... people will see what they will see in them whether the author put it there or not.

For the record ... in case anyone is wondering. Yes, I think UFOs are a real phenomena. I think some form of the ET hypothesis explains it. I think (well I know) that the U.S. government knows they are real and compartments of the government have studied them since the 40s and believes them to be extra-terrestrial. I think that the U.S. UFO study effort was privatized sometime in the 60s. I think that abductions do occur and that an alien presence has been on the Earth for 100s if not 1000s of years. So ... I'm not the debunking Satan sent here to rain on your parade.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

. So ... I'm not the debunking Satan sent here to rain on your parade.

Satan is a lot like Santa Claus - you can conjure him up, with your mind

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

Satan is a lot like Santa Claus - you can conjure him up, with your mind

What this has to do with Snow or Crop Circles I can't imagine but ...Virgina, there is neither a Santa Claus or a Satan.

I'm just a guy trying to be honest with himself and others. My longtime investigation into UFO and surrounding phenomena has led me to cast aside many of the beliefs and assumptions I had about them to begin with. Sometimes it made me angry and disappointed but that's ok. Uncomfortable truth is preferable to soothing fantasy.

If you disagree with me I'm really very, very ok with that and not threatened by opposing views in any way.

[Majorion]

Hmm... first time I hear of Snow Circles..

Quite impressive photos though, I just wonder how someone could technically even draw shapes like this in snow without leaving footprints, tracks, etc.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Hmm... first time I hear of Snow Circles..

Quite impressive photos though, I just wonder how someone could technically even draw shapes like this in snow without leaving footprints, tracks, etc.

Easy, you report them a day or so later when it has snowed again. think logical people please

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

Easy, you report them a day or so later when it has snowed again. think logical people please

Not sure exactly what you're saying Soulcrafter, it seems odd, I think there should be some tracks or some sign of activity near the circles, which there absolutely isn't, and I don't think its worth fighting over either way as it seems to now.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Not sure exactly what you're saying Soulcrafter, it seems odd, I think there should be some tracks or some sign of activity near the circles, which there absolutely isn't, and I don't think its worth fighting over either way as it seems to now.

Fighting? We are discussing All i can say is try it for yourself.

[waitinginthewings]

trainedobserver: Just out of interest, does Matthew go around the world making all the crop circles, he must be a busy guy.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

trainedobserver: Just out of interest, does Matthew go around the world making all the crop circles, he must be a busy guy.

Obviously he isn't the only one making crop circles. If you had taken the time to investigate him or watch any of his videos you would have realized this. But of course you haven't done so have you?

This same trite comment is often made about Doug and Dave, the two artists credited with starting the modern Crop Circle phenomena. The fact of the matter is the whole business exploded and became something much larger than anyone would have thought. This aspect is also covered in detail in the documentary I mentioned on his youtube channel. There are many different teams and individuals who make crop circles. It doesn't require you join a union you know. Practically anyone could do it and the evidence shows that people from all over the world have picked up on it. As Soulc pointed out and as is documented on video, some people who investigate the phenomena realize just what is happening and then "join in" for any number of reasons.

Be my guest. Continue to think (or should I say 'believe') that crop circles are made by some mysterious force. It doesn't bother me in the least.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Obviously he isn't the only one making crop circles. If you had taken the time to investigate him or watch any of his videos you would have realized this. But of course you haven't done so have you?

This same trite comment is often made about Doug and Dave, the two artists credited with starting the modern Crop Circle phenomena. The fact of the matter is the whole business exploded and became something much larger than anyone would have thought. This aspect is also covered in detail in the documentary I mentioned on his youtube channel. There are many different teams and individuals who make crop circles. It doesn't require you join a union you know. Practically anyone could do it and the evidence shows that people from all over the world have picked up on it. As Soulc pointed out and as is documented on video, some people who investigate the phenomena realize just what is happening and then "join in" for any number of reasons.

Be my guest. Continue to think (or should I say 'believe') that crop circles are made by some mysterious force. It doesn't bother me in the least.

There probably is some groups making crop circles which is too bad really, because it clouds the whole issue.

The problem I have is that this theory does not explain how a crop circle can happen in a matter of minutes, & where strange glowing orb like objects have been photographed above the circle, implying the possibility that the circle was been made by this object, or had some other connection to it. There is definitely a mystery that needs investigation through open minds and not through those who are focused solely on debunking.

Its easy to jump on the bandwagon of humans made them which serves another agenda and most certainly not real research in the quest of truth and understanding.

[hollylindin]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

There is definitely a mystery that needs investigation through open minds and not through those who are focused solely on debunking.

I agree, Waiting. I find just as much negativity in those who try to debunk everything as those who think there's always a conspiracy (although, in the world we live in right now, I would say MOST are conspiracy because the lies of the powers that were are so obvious).

<3

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

There probably is some groups making crop circles which is too bad really, because it clouds the whole issue.
...
Its easy to jump on the bandwagon of humans made them which serves another agenda and most certainly not real research in the quest of truth and understanding.

Ha! That is the whole point I am trying to make here. The issue isn't clouded ... it is a cloud. And it is NOT easy to jump on the human's make crop circles bandwagon. At least it wasn't for me or many others. It took a great deal of digging, head scratching, and changing of opinions and beliefs.

I have seen absolutely no evidence to substantiate reports of instantly generated crop circles. If you can supply some I'll gladly review it and change my opinion if it merits changing.

The most famous video of a orb creating a crop circle (Olivers Castle) is a self-confessed (John Wabe) hoax. Look it up. Now one of the amazing things about this phenomena is that even after I have provided folks with enough information to investigate this for themselves 99% them will not but will rather be content to believe they have actually seen something they haven't because they just know, just know in their heart of hearts, that humans cannot make those things.

I mean ... crop circles makers have stood in formations they have made and told researchers "... made this one last night... got me plans, boards, and ropes in the boot ... wanna see?" and faced ridicule, disbelief, and accusations of working for MI5. No wonder many of them are having such a cynical laugh at the whole business of crop circle "researchers" and believers.

It is an amazing and fascinating phenomena to be sure.

[kriya]

Trained Observer,

You neglect to mention the huge amount of energy (radiation) detected in some circles. I can attest to this phenomenon myself as I have experienced it.

Love,

Kriya

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by kriya

Trained Observer,

You neglect to mention the huge amount of energy (radiation) detected in some circles. I can attest to this phenomenon myself as I have experienced it.

Love,

Kriya

No I did not neglect to mention that. If you will kindly reread my posts to this thread you will see I dropped that into my first response to this thread along with the preamble ... "Also, before I get the usual 'what about this or that' responses let me say this."

I also prefaced my first response with ... "I doubt anyone is going to want to hear this ..." How correct that was! Ha. ha.

The problem is this. Researchers have tested crop circles "known to be made by humans" and found all the energy anomalies and what have you that are found in allegedly "genuine" crop circles. The only conclusion you can reach is that these tests do nothing to indicate a crop circle's origin.

Peace,
T.O.

[kriya]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

No I did not neglect to mention that. If you will kindly reread my posts to this thread you will see I dropped that into my first response to this thread along with the preamble ... "Also, before I get the usual 'what about this or that' responses let me say this."

I also prefaced my first response with ... "I doubt anyone is going to want to hear this ..." How correct that was! Ha. ha.

The problem is this. Researchers have tested crop circles "known to be made by humans" and found all the energy anomalies and what have you that are found in allegedly "genuine" crop circles. The only conclusion you can reach is that these tests do nothing to indicate a crop circle's origin.

Peace,
T.O.

OK,

Sorry for not reading your original post properly. Yet I still have to disagree with you basic premise. When you walk along the fields in Wiltshire you don't generally get electric shocks from the ground. Now I would agree that energy could be detected in hoaxed circles due to ley lines etc.. but not to the extent that I experienced it. I am not actually of the opinion that they are made by ETs, however I do believe that some kind of weird natural phenomenon occurs to create them, or perhaps its even our own collective consciousness.

We won't agree, so I am just going to leave it at that.

Love,

Kriya