Disclosure Endgame

[Céline]

Now this is a very good thread, i have learned much from reading all your opinions...

It is interesting to see others points of view on DW... i am...unconvinced but intrigued nonetheless

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Céline

Now this is a very good thread, i have learned much from reading all your opinions...

It is interesting to see others points of view on DW... i am...unconvinced but intrigued nonetheless

I'm glad you keep an open mind.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

I'm glad you keep an open mind.

Thank you. i find it is an important thing to do if one wants to learn.

i do find the artistic qualities of circles to be very pleasing...though i do not get a sense they are from off world...

but this is only based on intuition...

my intuition also leads me to think the the circlemakers....have more thne just art on their minds...

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Céline

Thank you. i find it is an important thing to do if one wants to learn.

i do find the artistic qualities of circles to be very pleasing...though i do not get a sense they are from off world...

but this is only based on intuition...

my intuition also leads me to think the the circlemakers....have more thne just art on their minds...

Most welcome Céline,

Yes, it means more then art (without the signature).
And there are no other means of artwork where you can actually walk into and get a feeling or certain thoughts. What i have heard the most is that when people walk into circles the first thing they do is notice how they feel. Somehow feelings get amplified in a way. Certainly there are quite some "weird" effects in formations such as bright flashes of light, balls of lights (seen with the eye), missing time, changing weather and even healing seems to be possible. Now if the researchers would focus on all that we can take this "phenomena" to a whole new level don't you think.

[quetzalcoatl11]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

Most welcome Céline,

Yes, it means more then art (without the signature).
And there are no other means of artwork where you can actually walk into and get a feeling or certain thoughts. What i have heard the most is that when people walk into circles the first thing they do is notice how they feel. Somehow feelings get amplified in a way. Certainly there are quite some "weird" effects in formations such as bright flashes of light, balls of lights (seen with the eye), missing time, changing weather and even healing seems to be possible. Now if the researchers would focus on all that we can take this "phenomena" to a whole new level don't you think.

Soulcrafter, you seem to be fluctuating here in your statements, you first state that ALL crop circles are man-made, then go on to qualify that there are definite extraworldly or amplified strange effects such as 'balls of light seen with the eye', ect. found within these circles, so my question to you is, if these are simple man-made constructions- how do you account for the strange phenomena and experiences associated with these constructions?

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

Soulcrafter, you seem to be fluctuating here in your statements, you first state that ALL crop circles are man-made, then go on to qualify that there are definite extraworldly or amplified strange effects such as 'balls of light seen with the eye', ect. found within these circles, so my question to you is, if these are simple man-made constructions- how do you account for the strange phenomena and experiences associated with these constructions?

That's exactly the thing that should be researched. Balls of light are not a part of crop circles, Are they attracted to them? We don't know. Are they always around near energetic sites? Possible. But we certainly have seen them up close more then once. The 3 hour documentary of Truthseekers666 youtube channel goes deeper into this. If you are interested you should watch the whole film.

[quetzalcoatl11]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

That's exactly the thing that should be researched. Balls of light are not a part of crop circles, Are they attracted to them? We don't know. Are they always around near energetic sites? Possible.

So, what has you so certain for you that these very same balls of light aren't in some way responsible for the circles? Yes, humans have been around for some time now, but you are trying to qualify that all circles are man-made which is a very broad and conclusive statement for someone does not seem capable of making such a statement. I think that by making such a statement one is also suggested attempting to devalue the meanings behind the symbols as ambivalent at best, frauds and contrivances at worst.

Symbols are the next stage in consciousness, they do not originate here on Earth and are not a dominant form of communication within our physical world, however, in all higher dimensional realms they are the prevalent form of communication. Look to your dreams, or to any who have been in an altered state of perception, that is where you see the symbols- because they are not of this world but participate in it to communicate to us corresponding ideas which inform our waking state.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

So, what has you so certain for you that these very same balls of light aren't in some way responsible for the circles? Yes, humans have been around for some time now, but you are trying to qualify that all circles are man-made which is a very broad and conclusive statement for someone does not seem capable of making such a statement. I think that by making such a statement one is also suggested attempting to devalue the meanings behind the symbols as ambivalent at best, frauds and contrivances at worst.

Why would you believe the statements that it's Alien?
That's a very bold one in my opinion.

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

Symbols are the next stage in consciousness, they do not originate here on Earth and are not a dominant form of communication within our physical world, however, in all higher dimensional realms they are the prevalent form of communication. Look to your dreams, or to any who have been in an altered state of perception, that is where you see the symbols- because they are not of this world but participate in it to communicate to us corresponding ideas which inform our waking state.

I have about 1450 designs drawn, does that make me other wordly?
Yes symbols-sigils are quite powerfull indeed, maybe that has to do with the amplified effect when one walks in them.

[Céline]

[QUOTE=Soulcrafter;212830
Yes symbols-sigils are quite powerfull indeed, maybe that has to do with the amplified effect when one walks in them.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps this is why , certain buildings make me feel different ways?

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Céline

Perhaps this is why , certain buildings make me feel different ways?

Definetly so, churches and cathedrals are a good example of that.
One feels closer to "God" as we speak. Or whatever they believe is THE source.

[quetzalcoatl11]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

Why would you believe the statements that it's Alien?
That's a very bold one in my opinion.

Ahh, but see this is where we differ. I try not to make such generalized statements and pass them off as a universal truth, and I have never implied that the circles were created by 'aliens,' in fact, I stated the opposite- saying that just because some were not created by humans does not mean they were created by aliens/extraterrestrials. There are other energies which operate within our world which we are only vaguely aware of, if at all. I am suggesting there may be a nexus of energy even within the Earth which operates to design particular circles, although I admit this is only a possible idea or theory and I don't even know how much weight I would attribute it.

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

I have about 1450 designs drawn, does that make me other wordly?
Yes symbols-sigils are quite powerfull indeed, maybe that has to do with the amplified effect when one walks in them.

Yes, you are otherworldly in many ways, and symbols have definitive power as I've realized firsthand throughout my life. This is why I think it is better to remain open than to 'close the lid' on this subject.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

Ahh, but see this is where we differ. I try not to make such generalized statements and pass them off as a universal truth, and I have never implied that the circles were created by 'aliens,' in fact, I stated the opposite- saying that just because some were not created by humans does not mean they were created by aliens/extraterrestrials. There are other energies which operate within our world which we are only vaguely aware of, if at all. I am suggesting there may be a nexus of energy even within the Earth which operates to design particular circles, although I admit this is only a possible idea or theory and I don't even know how much weight I would attribute it.

Sure there are other kind of energies on-within the Earth but does that include patterns magically appearing into cropfields? What makes you think that would be possible? Do you have any examples of which formations you think are made by "unknown" energies?

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

Yes, you are otherworldly in many ways, and symbols have definitive power as I've realized firsthand throughout my life. This is why I think it is better to remain open than to 'close the lid' on this subject.

I'm much too earthly bounded to think about that. No offence to your idea doh. I don't think the lid will ever close on this subject. At least as long as people keep an open mind to it.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

Now if the researchers would focus on all that we can take this "phenomena" to a whole new level don't you think.

Completly agree...

i would like to visit a circle one day...but there are none in my part of the world.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Céline

Completly agree...

i would like to visit a circle one day...but there are none in my part of the world.

Oh yes there have been many circles in Canada.
http://www.cropcirclequest.com/

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

Oh yes there have been many circles in Canada.
http://www.cropcirclequest.com/

i am in Quebec...there does not seem to be any here..

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Céline

i am in Quebec...there does not seem to be any here..

You can be the first to start it over there
Same happened in loads of countries.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

You can be the first to start it over there
Same happened in loads of countries.

Les Quebecois, are probably some of the most xenophobic people on this planet....sadly.

It would be interesting to see what effect circles would have on us....

[truthseekers]

Trained observer stated that because the circles are made by people that relying on interpretations of their meaning could be on shaky ground, or words to that effect.

I would point out that as a circlemaker I do believe in strange events happening whereby human circlemakers have been able to go out and creat circle designs that were being asked for by researchers through meditation. On other occasions circlemaker teams have gone out to the same field on the same night and made circles of similar type next to each other without knowing the other teams were going to be there. If the design ideas come from inpsiration and this could be a group mind, higher mind or alien mind the results of what the circles mean could still be significant. There is also the possibility that the circles mean nothing but are still derived from a group mind way.

Whilst I am very much trying to promote the truth that circlemakers make the circles, I think that the point is sometimes missed that we are not saying that there is no paranormality connected to crop circles. Infact we welcome research into this area. Who knows the reason strange things do happen in and around man made circles. Even more puzzling is why channeled sources say "its Aliens" - unless they are just lying - either the channeled information source or teh aliens. Now thats an interesting concept, Aliens lying... and why.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by truthseekers

Trained observer stated that because the circles are made by people that relying on interpretations of their meaning could be on shaky ground, or words to that effect.

Yes, I'd say basing some theory on an interpretation of a crop circle which assumes the crop circle is made by non-humans and contains a message from them is highly unreliable. Namely because crop circles are made by humans who often have no conscious message to convey, or certainly nothing so specific in mind, when they design them. If there is some paranormal business occurring it is on some level that obviously isn't even being seriously considered by 'crop circle researchers' at the moment. But who knows, maybe you're all under the influence of inter-dimensional beings who like to communicate through cereal pictographs or have plugged into the universal hive-mind or something. I'm not sure how to test for that.

Originally Posted by truthseekers

Now thats an interesting concept, Aliens lying... and why.

Now that is terribly interesting. How would one suss out the true motives or intentions of representatives of some alien civilization? Certainly they would be representatives of some alien government wouldn't they? Should we trust an 'alien governement' to tell us the truth when we don't even trust our own? It's a interesting conundrum. Trust the visiting alien government agent or not?

[Céline]

Truth...is not what it used to be.