Will 2-11 be the next 911

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by gita

Somebody seriously needs to do their research ...

Well I meant no slur on Persians. The current government of Iran does not represent any Persians I know (well they fled to the US so ...).

You can believe what you like but all the glorious history and affiliations aside the next country to use nuclear weapons could very well cease to exist as a nation as it is known today. I just don't think the global community is going to tolerate it. Also, , maybe I'm wrong but Israel is like a cornered wounded animal and to provoke them is absolutely insane since they are capable of virtually anything.

I personally don't think the conflict in the Middle East will cease until they've all killed one another off. It is the bane of the U.S. to have ever gotten involved in the politics of the region in the first place. I say withdraw totally from the region and let those folks have at one another in earnest. Had we done this 40 or 50 years ago the world would be a better place today. IMHO

[gita]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Well I meant no slur on Persians. The current government of Iran does not represent any Persians I know (well they fled to the US so ...).

You can believe what you like but all the glorious history and affiliations aside the next country to use nuclear weapons could very well cease to exist as a nation as it is known today. I just don't think the global community is going to tolerate it. Also, , maybe I'm wrong but Israel is like a cornered wounded animal and to provoke them is absolutely insane since they are capable of virtually anything.

I personally don't think the conflict in the Middle East will cease until they've all killed one another off. It is the bane of the U.S. to have ever gotten involved in the politics of the region in the first place. I say withdraw totally from the region and let those folks have at one another in earnest. Had we done this 40 or 50 years ago the world would be a better place today. IMHO

Firstly, please don’t measure the depth of a race of people by the ones who ‘fled to US’. It’s not a matter of believing ‘all the glorious history’ of Iran – it’s factual history. The global community has in fact had it with the Israeli and US governments trying to implement their dictatorship. As I keep repeating myself, you don’t seem to have any idea on the history of this country nor the hand (and underhand) US has had to play in their politics over the last 70 years.

Have a read at the link below – it’s easy to digest. It’s from the guardian newspaper in UK;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...le-shield-iran

I may be wrong, but you’re coming off as you support US in their meddling and support Israel government in their atrocities – you see, Israel government doesn’t seem to need any provocations as they seem to do whatever they want with the blessing of US government. That truly is humanity at its lowest.

Peace.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by gita

... you don’t seem to have any idea on the history of this country nor the hand (and underhand) US has had to play in their politics over the last 70 years.

As I lived through much of it I think I do but that is really beside the point.

As I stated before, I think the region should have been left to it own devices. Certainly the restructuring of then existing borders shouldn't have taken place.

[gita]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

As I lived through much of it I think I do but that is really beside the point.

No disrespect but am wondering which point of view you were fed whilst you were living through it?

Originally Posted by 3optic

I'd like to see you broaden your information base, Trainedobserver!

Great advice 3optic and one which I will continue to do.

Also thanks for the link.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by gita

No disrespect but am wondering which point of view you were fed whilst you were living through it?

The same one everyone else in the country got I imagine. I became aware of the particular situation surrounding the Shaw much later of course.

You are in disagreement with me about what exactly?

It might please you to know that I find your avatar particularly annoying.

[gita]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

The same one everyone else in the country got I imagine. I became aware of the particular situation surrounding the Shaw much later of course.

You are in disagreement with me about what exactly?

It might please you to know that I find your avatar particularly annoying.

It's not a matter of being in disagreement with you – I’m just trying to inform you that your statements were not based in actual facts. Majority of people on this forum don’t always buy the official line and we spend a lot of our time researching many topics before offering opinions. We also have noticed that what we’re told officially is based on lies after lies.

It does not please me to know that my avatar is annoying you. Let me educate you further by letting you know if you press the Escape key, then your annoyance will be no more.

Peace.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by gita

I’m just trying to inform you that your statements were not based in actual facts.

What statements would that have been?

[gita]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

What statements would that have been?

Well just about all of it. Please go back and re-read the posts as it’s all been explained - 3optic also further elaborated – I also sent you a link which was relevant to your statements.

[3optic]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Also, , maybe I'm wrong but Israel is like a cornered wounded animal and to provoke them is absolutely insane since they are capable of virtually anything.

You are probably wrong here. The Saboteans running Israel are neither cornered nor animals. They do seem insane and capable of virtually anything however.

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I personally don't think the conflict in the Middle East will cease until they've all killed one another off. It is the bane of the U.S. to have ever gotten involved in the politics of the region in the first place. I say withdraw totally from the region and let those folks have at one another in earnest. Had we done this 40 or 50 years ago the world would be a better place today. IMHO

Cheney has stated many times he doesn't think Iraq was a mistake.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/14/cheney-war-killed/

Ignoring his reasons here which are a misdirect, it's safe to say that the PTB and their American political stooges have no regrets and hardly think of it as a bane. It seems they don't even think of "The US" in the same way most people do. Their minds think on a larger scale than national borders and their eyes are on a bigger prize.

As far as people in the Middle East killing each other off, you seem to be regurgitating a world view that has been spoon fed to you by the corporate media. If you watch a lot of news they all seem like a bunch of savages don't they?

Conflict in the middle east does exist (where doesn't it?) but it seems to me to have has been stoked and fed by the West and Israel for many years. I'm going to keep recommending this film to people:

The Power of Nightmares (chronicles Radical Islam and The Neocons)

It's a sober, entertaining and non-paranoid look at the problem. It's hardly the last word but it's a good place to start.

I'd like to see you broaden your information base, Trainedobserver!

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by 3optic

As far as people in the Middle East killing each other off,

That of course was a generalization.

So you disagree with my solution to the problem then?

I wonder if the US and GB had never meddled if the *****'s and Sunni's would have made peace? Probably not.

Also, I confess to being a bit of an isolationist. I think the US should close down all of its foreign military bases and secure our borders instead. I think we should stop all foreign aid (except in the case of disaster relief as in the current Haiti crisis) and take care of our own problems before trying to pay for everyone elses.