The ego what is it? How to transcend?

[greybeard]

Redezra
you have done it again, saying what I meant to say so eloquently, but couldn't find the words.
Thank you.

The play goes on. time being anyway.
Think Sathya said " Without birth and death I would unemployed"

Without the belief in the ego being real this current play would end.

Must confess I am getting a little weary, waiting on God.
I have had and am having a full and productive life, which I appreciate greatly, yet now I know the little of the little I know, I would be as happy to go home.

Going to bed.
I will probably be born again from the womb of sleep tomorrow.

Surrender, surrender and when I am tired of surrender--- surrender some more to the will of God.
Good night.
Chris

[beren]

Somewhere
like a scene from a memory
there`s a picture of a thousand words...

Let us love ,love and let go our mental wish to describe every bits and pieces of everything...

Then we`ll see door opening into imagination -LIVE-

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Must confess I am getting a little weary, waiting on God.

As long as "I" am waiting for "God", "I" will be in a perpetual state of seperation, ego and non-being.

I Am not the ego. This is not easy to understand I guess, yet it is Truth. I AM the I AM. That is who I Am.

Yet, if I wish to say: I'm just this little guy, this seperate 'waiting' for 'God' to patch things up, then I shall wait.

I must affirm my true identity, or I remain in perpetual state of my own illusions creating suffering and separation.

"Take responsibility for your state of consciousness Now. This is what the entire teaching really is about." ~ Eckhart Tolle

[14 Chakras]

By the way, really appreciate the contributions on this thread and elsewhere and I'm a big fan of the kind of thought that is being put into this thread. Do not mean to sound dualistic, as I feel there are a lot of fabulous thought and being going on here.

I just like to always see if we can look at things from another angle, in addition to the angels we are already seeing... I believe as I have said earlier, there is always More, meaning, whatever we've created as our belief system and mental box can always be expanded, and this is one of the purposes of life. I believe that there truly is no limit to progress that can be made while we are in embodiment here, no matter what level we achieve, we can always climb higher.

Man know thySelf ~ continually expand our sense of identity ~

~ Espavo ~

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Redezra
you have done it again, saying what I meant to say so eloquently, but couldn't find the words.


Without the belief in the ego being real this current play would end.

see you say it all the time Chris


a bouquet of words

from the fields of wild roses

[14 Chakras]

The play of duality is it the play of Life? I suggest it is truly the play of unconsciousness, forces unseen, rather than the play of Life.

The end of the caterpillar is the beginning of the butterfly. Surrender the ego is not the death of Life, rather it is the beginning of it and marks the beginning of our role in the play of Life.

[RedeZra]

no point to play

hide and seek

if nobody is looking

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

no point to play

hide and seek

if nobody is looking

That sounds almost like a quote from "Divine Romance" by Yogananda.
Where are you Kriya?

By the way this thread has attracted over 10,000 hits and the ego is still here

My humor will get me into trouble.
I once said " Well I have a good sense of humor Uffe", He looked at me sadly from lofty hight and said "oh no Chris, but your parents certainly had"

It is amazing how some people can make a massive impact on your life he did and does though we have been in touch for a while.
I know you visit this thread from time to time Uffe so thanks for being a fine friend and teacher for me.
Chris

[14 Chakras]

I highly recommend, really from the bottom of my Heart, these ego discourses here:

http://www.askrealjesus.com/H_Reject...hristMain.html

They are a Divine gift for those who choose to BE ~

Follow the Way

[4Q529]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I highly recommend, really from the bottom of my Heart, these ego discourses here:

http://www.askrealjesus.com/H_Reject...hristMain.html

Certainly, an interesting website.

But, after a few minutes of searching, I did not see where it is ever specified that Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'; and that the perversion of this one Doctrine was the chief manner in which his Teaching was perverted.

And, without that specific acknowledgement, the rest of the comments fall flat, as I see it.

Much more egregious, however, is that this so-called "Jesus" has anything positive whatsoever to say about the Pharisee, Paul; that person who is chiefly responsible for turning upside down the Teaching of Jesus on the Doctrine of "resurrection"; which led very directly, several hundreds of years later, to the slaughter of millions of Jews during the Holocaust.

On the other hand, I consider the entire conflict to be a conflict between the preservation of the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' and the preservation of human civilization itself.

Michael Cecil (4Q529)

http://after-the-false-peace.blogspot.com/

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Resour...ts/4Q529!.html

[greybeard]

Hi if this is your first visit to this thread,

Can I suggest that you start page one as there are a lot of interesting contributions from day one.

Regards
Chris

[mudra]

Here we go Chris for another round

Love Always
mudra

[mudra]

Love Always
mudra

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by mudra

Here we go Chris for another round

Love Always
mudra

Do I need my boxing gloves? Smiling broadly.

Thanks for the M video.
Friend went to see him in London exellent and so simple.
I have a video of him must look it out.
Thanks again for everything you do.
My world is a much better place for you being in it.
Chris

[4Q529]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Thanks for the M video.

Agreed.

A very good video, presenting a very clear explanation of consciousness and reality.

Except for one thing:

There is no such thing as the 'mind', for the same reason that there is no such thing as a 'thinker'.

There is only thought.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are thoughts.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are a violation of Occam's Razor.

Thus, one should not identify himself or herself any more with the word 'mind' than with the word 'thinker'.

The 'mind' is merely another thought that one can observe as not being a part of oneself.

It is the "observing consciousness" which is capable of observing thought rather than identifying with thought.

To the scientists of consciousness, however, there is only the consciousness of the 'thinker' or the 'mind'.

In other words, the function of the 'thinker' to the science of consciousness is the same as what the function of the term "ether" once was to classical physics.

There is no more evidence in support of the existence of the 'mind' than there ever was for the existence of the "ether".

Just this one fundamental change in the perspective of the science of consciousness would result in a quite dramatic improvement in the over-all understanding of consciousness.

But my writings to this effect are regularly censored and suppressed by the JCS (Journal of Consciousness Studies) Online 'discussion' group which is exclusively interested in only the 'thinker' dimension of human consciousness.

Michael Cecil (4Q529)

http://after-the-false-peace.blogspot.com/

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Resour...ts/4Q529!.html

[Gnosis5]

Well, well, well, was I surprised at finding more childish egoistic responses today .

But instead of beating myself up, I'm simply cutting out that sticky "fly paper" with the help of my clearing practitioner. It is almost becoming as simple and routine as putting a load of dirty linen in the washing machine (sigh of relief).

The trail led back to some small incident with my Mom when I was a child :-) (HI, MOM! I WUV YOU )

CHEERS!
Gnosis

[carriblu]

Originally Posted by 4Q529

Agreed.

A very good video, presenting a very clear explanation of consciousness and reality.

Except for one thing:

There is no such thing as the 'mind', for the same reason that there is no such thing as a 'thinker'.

There is only thought.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are thoughts.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are a violation of Occam's Razor.

this is interesting because deep in meditation, maybe you've experienced something like this, you realize your thoughts are separate from you, like they're happening off to the side of you and you can see them flow in and out around you. and then you realize you can turn them off if you want. so i see what you're saying with this.

my question is, where do the thoughts come from? have they always existed?

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by carriblu

this is interesting because deep in meditation, maybe you've experienced something like this, you realize your thoughts are separate from you, like they're happening off to the side of you and you can see them flow in and out around you. and then you realize you can turn them off if you want. so i see what you're saying with this.

my question is, where do the thoughts come from? have they always existed?

Oh, I feel I am so close to realizing that awareness. Perhaps that is why AI no longer can get it's hooks into me, except for some trifling stuff. Yes, first me and my Prime Thought, then other thoughts, then manifesting, then other forms of "me", then universes, then topographical consciousness and mind to navigate these universes, then playing "head" games until now when our mind is almost considered a liability on all sides and our thoughts are no longer our own.

What is my Prime Thought(s)? Separation from Static is still a mystery for me.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by carriblu

my question is, where do the thoughts come from? have they always existed?

from where the wind blows

[4Q529]

Originally Posted by carriblu

my question is, where do the thoughts come from? have they always existed?

You have to be quite careful here not to be distracted from the fundamental issue, which is maintaining a consciousness independent of the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

The questions "Where do thoughts come from?" and "Have they always existed?" are questions of a 'thinker' that is trying to seduce you back into the realm of thought. So, there is no real benefit in pursuing such questions.

What is much more important is that thought itself is time, as has been observed by Krishnamurti.

And what is the purpose or function of time?

To preserve the spatiality of the consciousness of the "self" which originates in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

In other words, the "serpent" of Genesis and the "dragon" of the Revelation of John symbolize the duality created by the 'movement' of self-reflection; the "beast of the sea" is the spatiality of the "self"; and the "beast of the earth" is the efforts of thought and the 'thinker' to maintain the temporal continuity of the spatiality of the "self".

And all of this is the very origin and manifestation of conflict and violence.

Michael Cecil (4Q529)

http://after-the-false-peace.blogspot.com/

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Resour...ts/4Q529!.html

[kriya]

Originally Posted by 4Q529

You have to be quite careful here not to be distracted from the fundamental issue, which is maintaining a consciousness independent of the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

The questions "Where do thoughts come from?" and "Have they always existed?" are questions of a 'thinker' that is trying to seduce you back into the realm of thought. So, there is no real benefit in pursuing such questions.

What is much more important is that thought itself is time, as has been observed by Krishnamurti.

And what is the purpose or function of time?

To preserve the spatiality of the consciousness of the "self" which originates in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

In other words, the "serpent" of Genesis and the "dragon" of the Revelation of John symbolize the duality created by the 'movement' of self-reflection; the "beast of the sea" is the spatiality of the "self"; and the "beast of the earth" is the efforts of thought and the 'thinker' to maintain the temporal continuity of the spatiality of the "self".

And all of this is the very origin and manifestation of conflict and violence.

Michael Cecil (4Q529)

http://after-the-false-peace.blogspot.com/

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Resour...ts/4Q529!.html

That is why the philosophical assertion " I think therefore I am" is incorrect.

Love,

Kriya

[greybeard]

That is why the philosophical assertion " I think therefore I am" is incorrect.

Love,

Kriya

Hi Kriya
good to see you.
Both my favorite teachers say it is back to front. "I am therfore I think" then promptly disswade you from the notion that you are the thinker.
Anything that comes and goes is not what you are.
Anything experienced therefore is not you.
If thought were you, you could easily stop them.
Your body is not you, try stopping breathing and see what happens.
Interestingly when you have been siting with several people silently for few moments note that the breath synchronizes, all breath in and out at the same moment.
Namaste
Chris

[carriblu]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Both my favorite teachers say it is back to front. "I am therfore I think" then promptly disswade you from the notion that you are the thinker.
Anything that comes and goes is not what you are.
Anything experienced therefore is not you.
If thought were you, you could easily stop them.
Your body is not you, try stopping breathing and see what happens.

hey grey i have some questions on this, what of us doesn't come and go (i assume you mean change)? is anything constant about us? also what would you say gets incarnated from life to life?

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by carriblu

hey grey i have some questions on this, what of us doesn't come and go (i assume you mean change)? is anything constant about us? also what would you say gets incarnated from life to life?

Hi Cariblu.
Please call me Chris. (Grey is a bit alien to me )
As I understand it Consciousness is becoming aware of itself and returning home.
What looks through your eyes is the same awareness that existed before birth and will after the body falls away.
Regardless of your age you feel the same, not talking about emotions.
I am surprised when I look in the mirror, I look the age of my body but I certainly dont feel any particular age. I am timeless and immortal.
Its the same life going through a series of experiences in a different body.
Its like going to the pictures, a different film every visit, but its the same observer.
You could sy that you are "The observer witness" labels are just that. You are what you are.
Hope this is helpfull.
Chris

[mudra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi Cariblu.
Please call me Chris. (Grey is a bit alien to me )

Love Always
mudra