The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube

seeingterra · 03-03-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by K626

On another level Bill, it's free publicity and you know what they say about publicity...

K

Well, the channel posts videos created by other individuals as they was produced by PC, this is not the case and the material is indeed sketchy at best. It should be removed so people don't get misled.

K626 · 03-03-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by seeingterra

Well, the channel posts videos created by other individuals as they was produced by PC, this is not the case and the material is indeed sketchy at best. It should be removed so people don't get misled.

Yeah I know all that...And on one level I totally agree..But on another level we shouldn't care if there were 20 imposters nor should we try and control it...Energy is energy, form is form and light is light...It might even be that from these edges others might come to the center.

Love.

K

seeingterra · 03-03-2010, 11:46 AM

Sure K626, I see your point. From my point of view I just simply feel that damage control is something that is imperative on many levels as of now, and the more we clean up (at least if we can!) the better

But again, I do see your point

K626 · 03-03-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by seeingterra

Sure K626, I see your point. From my point of view I just simply feel that damage control is something that is imperative on many levels as of now, and the more we clean up (at least if we can!) the better

But again, I do see your point

It's kinda exciting to let the dynamic of this thing flow out and it WILL take many different shapes. In my experience trying to control anything is a waste of time the universe has its only tricky laws..ha ha...

Love.

K

Kamikaze · 03-03-2010, 12:03 PM

I think I came across this channel not so long ago. I was thinking.. were are all the videos and what's these UFO favourites?

I had forgot for a moment it was jagbodhi that is the real channel.

I realized rather quickly it was a "hijack" so to say off Project Camelot.

But I think the major majority will see quickly that this is a imposter. It took me not more than a minute.

Though I don't remember the Jonathan Reed video being there when I stumbled upon this channel. I watched it now...

Kinda strange... supposed being a live broadcast.. where is the live feed? That can't be it... What's whit the super small resolution etc, the square picture?
Is this video supposed to be recent footage or old but only now resurfaced?

Well either way the video is highly suspicious and looking at were you find it at a imposter channel... Doesn't speak well either.

Bill Ryan · 03-03-2010, 12:28 PM

Thanks, Guys -

As you'll already know, I feel pretty strongly about nonsensical information and open deception which (in my opinion) makes our collective job harder when there's already so much obfuscation from the Powers That Be.

I do understand that all publicity is good, but Camelot actually doesn't need more publicity on YouTube. We've had 9 million views of over 100 videos, and our work is everywhere. No need to be associated with a scam.

The issue of deception and the provenance of information has been one of the long-running bones of contention between Kerry and myself. After the Heather material was published by Kerry, this became well-known.

But the Heather fiasco was not the only problem - it's just one of the symptoms. John Burns gave me fake photos of the F-19 to post, and I caught it just in time. It's not defamation to state this (as Kerry has warned) - it's a fact. Much else happened also which I have not made public.

This profound disagreement, about which I will not move, has become used to split Camelot in half.

In my opinion the decision to implement the coup de grace probably came soon after the Zurich conference, when we suddenly found ourselves in a firestorm of attacks and controversy. See my Open Letter to Jeff Rense.

The issues were some or all of
-- The vaccination issue, over which we took a clear stand.
-- The publication of sensitive material from Dr Pete Peterson that was right on the very edge (see the end of Part 2 of our interview).
-- The public appearance of Henry Deacon.
-- Our public disagreement with the views of Dr Steven Greer, and my remarking privately to some people that Kerry and I were both certain that the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001. (Yes, I am sure of this.)

All this happened within a few weeks, and it may have tipped a heavy balance.

John Burns moved in soon after this.

Henry Deacon has disappeared from the scene and we are told he is currently not doing well. (Note that I do NOT associate John with this. Those were two different operations.)

The split, which Kerry announced last night formally with my agreement, is not necessarily a bad thing. As I stated on 27 February: Project Avalon, which for the last year has existed only as this Forum, is going to be extensively re-designed as a major new information and inspiration portal, a proud sister site to Project Camelot embodying all our ideals, values and mission as originally envisioned and stated, and which I personally pledge will remain free from interference, infiltration or commercialization.

Very best wishes, Bill

THEWATCHER · 03-03-2010, 12:41 PM

Hi Bill, Change for the better I guess, one thing that I must ask you Bill is this. What happens to the sub forum here kindly created by Kerry which contains my material, the 'Whistleblowers....unvetted by Project Camelot'?
Also, a colleague of mine Miles Johnston, he whom produced the various 'Bases' series of tapes and DVDs stated he met Project Camelot personnel at the recent Laughlin congress and how they felt very let down by not being able to interview either myself or James Casbolt recently. Care to comment on that? Cheers Bill, warmest regards, Barry

Kerry Cassidy · 03-04-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

Hi Bill, Change for the better I guess, one thing that I must ask you Bill is this. What happens to the sub forum here kindly created by Kerry which contains my material, the 'Whistleblowers....unvetted by Project Camelot'?
Also, a colleague of mine Miles Johnston, he whom produced the various 'Bases' series of tapes and DVDs stated he met Project Camelot personnel at the recent Laughlin congress and how they felt very let down by not being able to interview either myself or James Casbolt recently. Care to comment on that? Cheers Bill, warmest regards, Barry

Hi Barry,

I won't be able to help you maintain your subforum on Avalon.. Since I have turned Avalon.net and forum over to Bill. Hopefully they will keep your subforum going.

Yes we were quite disappointed not to be able to meet up with you or James Casbolt while we were in the UK... There is a lot of unresolved issues going around regarding things Camelot at the moment so please be aware of this... Two sides to every story and all. I seldom visit this forum so if you want to contact me please use the email address: kerry@projectcamelot.org

Best wishes,

Kerry

THEWATCHER · 03-04-2010, 10:18 PM

Hi Kerry, thankyou for letting me know, was unsure as to whom might be the one running which forum. well, if Bill keeps it going fine, if not, can't be helped, we start all over again in time. My very best wishes for both You and Bill. that interview could be arranged another time even if its an audio only across the miles. Keep well, warmest regards, Barry

THE eXchanger · 03-04-2010, 10:42 PM

Good advise Barry, thanks for sharing your thoughts

all the best, to both Bill, and, Kerry

maybe, it is time, to step from the past, into the present
and, create 'new' stuff, in the pivot of this NOW

after_all, it is the future, we all got to live in

BEST OF LUCK on the launching
OF ALL the new sites

love/susan

Kulapops · 03-04-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

maybe, it is time, to step from the past, into the present
and, create 'new' stuff, in the pivot of this NOW

after_all, it is the future, we all got to live in

love/susan

Erm.. I think it's actually the NOW we get to live in

Like, er.. Now !

and always...

Love to you eXchanger...

K

K626 · 03-03-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Thanks, Guys -

As you'll already know, I feel pretty strongly about nonsensical information and open deception which (in my opinion) makes our collective job harder when there's already so much obfuscation from the Powers That Be.[Mod Note: Please help us out and trim longer quotes - the arrow at the top of the quote links to the full original.]

Trotsky did his best work when he realised he was under attack.

I agree that you need to engage with the stuff that 'energises itself' onto here, but in the wider scheme let it go..It is there to distract you..You need to laugh about it more or pack a bit more tin foil under the ole hat.

Agree with the Greer analysis he is 'taken'. As is Abx.....

I don't like Burns either...

Bill that neutrino goes both ways...Are you watching?

If you need cash go to Robbie Williams he's really up for it.

From what I can see you need a couple of days by the lake.

Love.

K

Seashore · 03-03-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

... Dr Steven Greer...the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001.

I'm learning this for the first time.

Is this new information being revealed, or has this already been out there?

Stargazer1965 · 03-03-2010, 01:22 PM

I watched and it does not have the look or feel of a Project Camelot Production....which is great

But

It hijacked the logo

Maybe we can start a email writing campaign to get it taken down.

There is strength and numbers....they'll eventually get tired of us writing and take it down.

SG

Carrie1971 · 03-04-2010, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

It hijacked the logo

There is strength and numbers....they'll eventually get tired of us writing and take it down.

SG

Go over to the youtube site.
Get to the bottom of the page where they have "fake" infromation which anyone can know. (Trying to act like it is Kerry)

Just below "books" are is a report site just click it.

Thank you.. IF you tube lets that stay up with the project image well then we have arrived at a sad day.

redtailhawk · 03-03-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Seashore

I'm learning this for the first time.

Is this new information being revealed, or has this already been out there?

Yes, I am wondering about this too. I did note that Greer at the Barcelona conference looked ripped, and saw the ManHunt photo posted here.

Bill, are you saying that Greer has been working out a lot since 2001, or something more sinister?

redtailhawk · 03-03-2010, 01:36 PM

Project Camelot could sue the perpetrator for copyright infringement and malicious intent.

tone3jaguar · 03-03-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

But the Heather fiasco was not the only problem - it's just one of the symptoms. John Burns gave me fake photos of the F-19 to post, and I caught it just in time. It's not defamation to state this (as Kerry has warned) - it's a fact. Much else happened also which I have not made public.[/URL].

I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.

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-- Our public disagreement with the views of Dr Steven Greer, and my remarking privately to some people that Kerry and I were both certain that the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001. (Yes, I am sure of this.)

I never met the guy before 2001, only in 2009. When I talked to him out of the public spotlight he seemed like rational guy that has had many extreme happenings in his life. He does lay it on pretty heavy when the cameras are on though. I have been targeted with the terrify the target button from Dreamland as well. I only got it about 3 times. He got it every night for 6 months. That is enough to split anyones personality to some degree. In fact it would put most people strait in the funny farm.

redtailhawk · 03-03-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.

This is news to me. "Jake Simpson" is John Burns?

I have been targeted with the terrify the target button from Dreamland as well. I only got it about 3 times. He got it every night for 6 months. That is enough to split anyones personality to some degree. In fact it would put most people strait in the funny farm.

I am confused by this statement, and do not get what it means.

[Mod Note: Please be careful to leave the quote tags - this one was deleted [QUOTE=tone3jaguar;247679] and later this tone3 quote is attributed to redtail. I have repaired the error.]

tone3jaguar · 03-03-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.

This is news to me. "Jake Simpson" is John Burns?

Yes, apparently when Mel from Veritass talked to Kerry at the UFO congress she introduced him as both identities.

http://www.manticore.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1810

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

I have been targeted with the terrify the target button from Dreamland as well. I only got it about 3 times. He got it every night for 6 months. That is enough to split anyones personality to some degree. In fact it would put most people strait in the funny farm.

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Originally Posted by redtailhawk

I am confused by this statement, and do not get what it means.

Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake. They can essentially replicate anything from an alien abduction to a full on demonic attack by extracting you out of body and then creating the illusion of these things around you. These things come full on with all of the vibes of the real deal. I did not get the fake abduction scenario, I got the demonic attack scenario. With Steven apparently he got the full spread, he does not tell all of the details, just some of them.

Seashore · 03-03-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake.

This sounds like a good topic for a thread of its own!

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 03-03-2010, 05:39 PM

bill,
i jsut went to the link and flagged the said video as that was all i could do it seems, i hit the spam tab and then the appropraiate reason which i think was fraudulent or fake or something.. thats all i could do .

tone3jaguar · 03-03-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Seashore

This sounds like a good topic for a thread of its own!

Member Whistleblower "TheWatcher" has intimate knowledge of it.

UncleJohn · 03-03-2010, 06:02 PM

I don't think Dr. Reed is in on this smear.

The interview comes from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0

I don't see how to complain to youtube. Do you have to have an account there to complain?

Edit: I setup a youtube account and reported it.

03-03-2010, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake. They can essentially replicate anything from an alien abduction to a full on demonic attack by extracting you out of body and then creating the illusion of these things around you. These things come full on with all of the vibes of the real deal. I did not get the fake abduction scenario, I got the demonic attack scenario. With Steven apparently he got the full spread, he does not tell all of the details, just some of them.

My apologies if i am getting too off topic with this.

This is new to me.

Tone3 does this mean that someone experiencing astral travel...be it around the house...or be it to other dimensions, planets...etc Can as well be just astral illusion?
And the victim completely helpless is not aware about any of this...is strongly believing that anything experienced during this illusion is 100% correct?

If that is so...how can anyone with astral experiences claim that they are genuine and not some method of remote control?

What is the probability that people claiming to have this extra-ordinary abilities are actually being manipulated in a very sinister way?

03-03-2010, 11:46 AM	#3
seeingterra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 136	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube Sure K626, I see your point. From my point of view I just simply feel that damage control is something that is imperative on many levels as of now, and the more we clean up (at least if we can!) the better But again, I do see your point

03-03-2010, 12:03 PM	#5
Kamikaze Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 58	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube I think I came across this channel not so long ago. I was thinking.. were are all the videos and what's these UFO favourites? I had forgot for a moment it was jagbodhi that is the real channel. I realized rather quickly it was a "hijack" so to say off Project Camelot. But I think the major majority will see quickly that this is a imposter. It took me not more than a minute. Though I don't remember the Jonathan Reed video being there when I stumbled upon this channel. I watched it now... Kinda strange... supposed being a live broadcast.. where is the live feed? That can't be it... What's whit the super small resolution etc, the square picture? Is this video supposed to be recent footage or old but only now resurfaced? Well either way the video is highly suspicious and looking at were you find it at a imposter channel... Doesn't speak well either.

03-03-2010, 12:28 PM	#6
Bill Ryan Project Avalon Co Founder Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 353	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube Thanks, Guys - As you'll already know, I feel pretty strongly about nonsensical information and open deception which (in my opinion) makes our collective job harder when there's already so much obfuscation from the Powers That Be. I do understand that all publicity is good, but Camelot actually doesn't need more publicity on YouTube. We've had 9 million views of over 100 videos, and our work is everywhere. No need to be associated with a scam. The issue of deception and the provenance of information has been one of the long-running bones of contention between Kerry and myself. After the Heather material was published by Kerry, this became well-known. But the Heather fiasco was not the only problem - it's just one of the symptoms. John Burns gave me fake photos of the F-19 to post, and I caught it just in time. It's not defamation to state this (as Kerry has warned) - it's a fact. Much else happened also which I have not made public. This profound disagreement, about which I will not move, has become used to split Camelot in half. In my opinion the decision to implement the coup de grace probably came soon after the Zurich conference, when we suddenly found ourselves in a firestorm of attacks and controversy. See my Open Letter to Jeff Rense. The issues were some or all of -- The vaccination issue, over which we took a clear stand. -- The publication of sensitive material from Dr Pete Peterson that was right on the very edge (see the end of Part 2 of our interview). -- The public appearance of Henry Deacon. -- Our public disagreement with the views of Dr Steven Greer, and my remarking privately to some people that Kerry and I were both certain that the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001. (Yes, I am sure of this.) All this happened within a few weeks, and it may have tipped a heavy balance. John Burns moved in soon after this. Henry Deacon has disappeared from the scene and we are told he is currently not doing well. (Note that I do NOT associate John with this. Those were two different operations.) The split, which Kerry announced last night formally with my agreement, is not necessarily a bad thing. As I stated on 27 February: Project Avalon, which for the last year has existed only as this Forum, is going to be extensively re-designed as a major new information and inspiration portal, a proud sister site to Project Camelot embodying all our ideals, values and mission as originally envisioned and stated, and which I personally pledge will remain free from interference, infiltration or commercialization. Very best wishes, Bill

03-03-2010, 12:41 PM	#7
THEWATCHER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,234	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube Hi Bill, Change for the better I guess, one thing that I must ask you Bill is this. What happens to the sub forum here kindly created by Kerry which contains my material, the 'Whistleblowers....unvetted by Project Camelot'? Also, a colleague of mine Miles Johnston, he whom produced the various 'Bases' series of tapes and DVDs stated he met Project Camelot personnel at the recent Laughlin congress and how they felt very let down by not being able to interview either myself or James Casbolt recently. Care to comment on that? Cheers Bill, warmest regards, Barry

03-04-2010, 10:18 PM	#9
THEWATCHER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,234	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube Hi Kerry, thankyou for letting me know, was unsure as to whom might be the one running which forum. well, if Bill keeps it going fine, if not, can't be helped, we start all over again in time. My very best wishes for both You and Bill. that interview could be arranged another time even if its an audio only across the miles. Keep well, warmest regards, Barry

03-04-2010, 10:42 PM	#10
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube Good advise Barry, thanks for sharing your thoughts all the best, to both Bill, and, Kerry maybe, it is time, to step from the past, into the present and, create 'new' stuff, in the pivot of this NOW after_all, it is the future, we all got to live in BEST OF LUCK on the launching OF ALL the new sites love/susan

03-03-2010, 01:22 PM	#14
Stargazer1965 Hall Monitor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Midwest Posts: 733	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube I watched and it does not have the look or feel of a Project Camelot Production....which is great But It hijacked the logo Maybe we can start a email writing campaign to get it taken down. There is strength and numbers....they'll eventually get tired of us writing and take it down. SG

03-03-2010, 01:36 PM	#17
redtailhawk Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 83	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube Project Camelot could sue the perpetrator for copyright infringement and malicious intent.

03-03-2010, 05:39 PM	#22
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube bill, i jsut went to the link and flagged the said video as that was all i could do it seems, i hit the spam tab and then the appropraiate reason which i think was fraudulent or fake or something.. thats all i could do .

03-03-2010, 06:02 PM	#24
UncleJohn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Altos California Posts: 112	Re: The Jonathan Reed Hoax - Project Camelot impersonation on YouTube I don't think Dr. Reed is in on this smear. The interview comes from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0 I don't see how to complain to youtube. Do you have to have an account there to complain? Edit: I setup a youtube account and reported it. Last edited by UncleJohn; 03-03-2010 at 06:09 PM.